East Asians are the smartest people in the world?

[SKYNET]

Personally I have nothing against them, but. Recently I've seen the video that published by RussiaPrussia, here below you can find it



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0-_ldcgnT8


Why are people in East Asia so educated according to RussiaPrussia? Could you please express your personal opinion about their advantages and disadvantages? Do you really think that so-called the high Asian IQ has everything in common with the creativity and innovation?

Thanks

[StonyArabia]

East Asians are cool, especially the Japanese, btw I don't know why people say their not creative only mimic which is false. Have they not looked anime and the videogame industry that the Japanese dominate that's quite creative to me.

[Amud]

According to Paul Cooijmans, the three ingredients of genius level are intelligence, conscientiousness and associative horizon.

It seems like Asians are slightly higher in intelligence, considerably higher in conscientiousness, and lower in associative horizon as compared to whites. The most successful innovators are those who strike a good balance between the three. Asian civilizations are very successful, but it's doubtful that they would be as advanced as Europeans in terms of technology level and scientific knowledge if it weren't for western influence. They would certainly be in second place, of course.

[silver_surfer]

If you're in the U.S., the East Asians you encounter most are the overachievers of East Asia. That's a skewed perspective.

[SKYNET]

East Asians are cool, especially the Japanese, btw I don't know why people say their not creative only mimic which is false. Have they not looked anime and the videogame industry that the Japanese dominate that's quite creative to me.


Even a child is able to make such simple anime creatures lol

[SKYNET]

The poll has been created. Your votes please

[GrebluBro]

I say NO

Tamil Brahmins are the smartest people in the world :P

[RedLight]

I say NO

Tamil Brahmins are the smartest people in the world :P


Inaccurate, and stupid they cannot even figure out how to stop smelling like Curry.

[Insuperable]

I say NO

Tamil Brahmins are the smartest people in the world :P

Northern Europeans are the smartest.

[GrebluBro]

//

TA members who know Tamil Brahmins personally must realize their superior intelligence, it got nothing to do with curry smell :thumb001:

[SKYNET]

bumP

[SKYNET]

and?

[Insuperable]

and?

Who do you Balkan subhuman think you are to open this thread? However the smartest are Northern Europeans and Balkan scum can't be compared with East Asians or put in the same basket as Europeans if you think you belong to Europe.

[SKYNET]

Who do you Balkan subhuman think you are to open this thread? However the smartest are Northern Europeans and Balkan scum can't be compared with East Asians or put in the same basket as Europeans if you think you belong to Europe.



I'm not a Balkanoid unlike you xD

[Insuperable]

I'm not a Balkanoid unlike you xD

Yes, you are. From what country are you from? Is it Romania? Balkanoid it is.

[SKYNET]

Yes, you are. From what country are you from? Is it Romania? Balkan it is.



Nope, I came from planet Mars you piece of human meat xD

[Insuperable]

Nope, I came from planet Mars you piece of human meat xD

Whatever you say Balkanoid. Stop spitting on others. Balkanoids have no right to do that.

[SKYNET]

Whatever you say Balkanoid. Stop spitting on others. Balkanoids have no right to do that.



Okay, whatever you say my angry swarthoid countryman from Balkanoid Croatia xD

[Ultra]

According to Paul Cooijmans, the three ingredients of genius level are intelligence, conscientiousness and associative horizon.

It seems like Asians are slightly higher in intelligence, considerably higher in conscientiousness, and lower in associative horizon as compared to whites. The most successful innovators are those who strike a good balance between the three. Asian civilizations are very successful, but it's doubtful that they would be as advanced as Europeans in terms of technology level and scientific knowledge if it weren't for western influence. They would certainly be in second place, of course.
It's just what happens when you include "Whites" into statistics. I remember Melonhead saying average Anglo-Saxon American had 107 IQ or so in the 1940s? 30s? Something like that, which means at least people of NW-Euro descent should be equal to East Asians in terms of IQ at the very least.

[cally]

Balkanites are smartest and richest

[Insuperable]

Okay, whatever you say my angry swarthoid countryman from Balkanoid Croatia xD

Fine. It is always nice to see two Balkanoids agree on something. Happens rarely.

[Styrian Mujo]

It's just what happens when you include "Whites" into statistics. I remember Melonhead saying average Anglo-Saxon American had 107 IQ or so in the 1940s? 30s? Something like that, which means at least people of NW-Euro descent should be equal to East Asians in terms of IQ at the very least.
I agree. The the White catagory is too broad and I am sure that north-west Europeans alone have on average slightly higher IQ than north-east Asians.

[GrebluBro]

C'mon guys don't judge anything genetically.

For instance, most TA members claim full Caucasoid (not just Euros) is considered smart race and full Weddoid/Australoid is considered the dumbest.

In India, average S.Indian (many got heavy Weddoid) is smarter than North west Indians (most full Caucasoid) in many education related fields. This is total contrary to the common belief :shrug:
60% of Indians Americans (wealthiest in the US) are from S.India despite S.Indians are just 20%,
and you can see S.Indians dominating Silicon Valley.
1/3rd of American start-up computer firms are founded by Indians (with Weddoid influence).
All this mean nothing when India is a poor country


Well the thing is it's impossible to say which ethnicity/race is the smartest in the world.

[SKYNET]

Fine. It is always nice to see two Balkanoids agree on something. Happens rarely.





no doubts xD

[Insuperable]

C'mon guys don't judge anything genetically.

For instance, most TA members claim full Caucasoid (not just Euros) is considered smart race and full Weddoid/Australoid is considered the dumbest.

In India, average S.Indian (many got heavy Weddoid) is smarter than North west Indians (most full Caucasoid) in many education related fields. This is total contrary to the common belief :shrug:

There are no full Caucasoids in India. Also Caucasoid means shit to many.

[Styrian Mujo]

C'mon guys don't judge anything genetically.

For instance, most TA members claim full Caucasoid (not just Euros) is considered smart race and full Weddoid/Australoid is considered the dumbest.

In India, average S.Indian (many got heavy Weddoid) is smarter than North west Indians (most full Caucasoid) in many education related fields. This is total contrary to the common belief :shrug:
Maybe some weird selection created an racial anomaly. I am still somewaht sceptic of your claims.

[Han Cholo]

I agree. The the White catagory is too broad and I am sure that north-west Europeans alone have on average slightly higher IQ than north-east Asians.

It's a bit more complex than that, if we assume the gathered data to be correct:
http://www.targetmap.com/ThumbnailsReports/17686_THUMB_IPAD.jpg

https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/jayman-iq-map-europe.png

The highest IQ in Europe is in Northeast Italy. I believe it's one or 2 points lower than Japan or Taiwan. But likewise, some low scores are also found in other regions of Italy.

[Äijä]

Crazy white people do things that are out of the box, this is what separates us from East Asians, there are things most of them will never get.

[oh-nahhh]

Saw a documentary about a chinese school, they interviewed a girl who apparently had the top grades, including English. But I couldn't understand a fucking word of her English.

[SKYNET]

Saw a documentary about a chinese school, they interviewed a girl who apparently had the top grades, including English. But I couldn't understand a fucking word of her English.




I suppose that she spoke Engrish

[GrebluBro]

Saw a documentary about a chinese school, they interviewed a girl who apparently had the top grades, including English. But I couldn't understand a fucking word of her English.

You're just not familiar with accent..

[SKYNET]

RussiaPrussia you get your period? That's why you're mad. I suppose more that you have a long menstrual cycle till now :rolleyes:

[Curious One]

If Asians weren't creative they wouldn't dominate every high-level science and engineering competitions in the U.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Cm_wFnQ60

http://www.aapt.org/aboutaapt/2013-US_Physics-Team_pr20130510.cfm

http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/students/highschool/olympiad/2014-chemistry-olympiad-finalists.html

http://www.imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=USA&year=2014

[Kawaiine]

east asian education mostly focuses on exam, i don't think good academic results represent a person's wisdom.

[Curious One]

east asian education mostly focuses on exam, i don't think good academic results represent a person's wisdom.

Did you even read what I posted?

[EyeOfTheTiger]

on the average yes

[Neanderthal]

No, I am.

[Kawaiine]

Did you even read what I posted?

yeah i did

[Sergente Alligator]

they are smart and very educated

[Kale]

On average probably...mainly because they are pretty much exact copies and descendents of one relatively smart guy that lived in Han China 2000 years ago.

[portusaus]

No. They are not smart in the same sense that we are. They make good human calculators, and can become extremely adept at unusual talents like gymnastics, cupstacking and E-Sports, but they do not have the precious innovative instinct that we enjoy nor innate burning passion for artistic expression.

[Sergente Alligator]

you are not right

[Curious One]

No. They are not smart in the same sense that we are. They make good human calculators, and can become extremely adept at unusual talents like gymnastics, cupstacking and E-Sports, but they do not have the precious innovative instinct that we enjoy nor innate burning passion for artistic expression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Cm_wFnQ60

http://www.aapt.org/aboutaapt/2013-US_Physics-Team_pr20130510.cfm

http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/students/highschool/olympiad/2014-chemistry-olympiad-finalists.html

http://www.imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=USA&year=2014

In Physics and Chemistry, the Chinese Americans are overrepresented by 140 000% relative to White Americans. Keep telling yourself that you're smart. LOL

[portusaus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Cm_wFnQ60

http://www.aapt.org/aboutaapt/2013-US_Physics-Team_pr20130510.cfm

http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/students/highschool/olympiad/2014-chemistry-olympiad-finalists.html

http://www.imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=USA&year=2014

In Physics and Chemistry, the Chinese Americans are overrepresented by 140 000% relative to White Americans. Keep telling yourself that you're smart. LOL

Because they work harder, because they want to make money off of our workforce (because they can, because we don't work as hard). It is exploit; not higher achievement.

[Felix Volkbein]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Cm_wFnQ60

http://www.aapt.org/aboutaapt/2013-US_Physics-Team_pr20130510.cfm

http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/students/highschool/olympiad/2014-chemistry-olympiad-finalists.html

http://www.imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=USA&year=2014

In Physics and Chemistry, the Chinese Americans are overrepresented by 140 000% relative to White Americans. Keep telling yourself that you're smart. LOL

Most of the Chinese who compete for Anglophone Olympiad teams are immigrants or children of immigrants and are pushed in that direction at a very young age by their parents.

A very large percentage of the Chinese currently in university STEM programs are also foreign-born/educated. This accounts for much of their overrepresentation. Out of a population of 1.3 billion, there are going to be more than enough qualified people to flood American universities. That would be true even if their IQ were slightly lower than Whites'.

[Rædwald]

One friend of mine is Chinese, moved here when she was 5 from China. She has told me on several occasions that if not for her parents literally beating her she wouldn't be where she is with school. I imagine that Europeans in general were disciplined as the East-Asians do their children similar results would be seen.

[Curious One]

Most of the Chinese who compete for Anglophone Olympiad teams are immigrants or children of immigrants and are pushed in that direction at a very young age by their parents.

A very large percentage of the Chinese currently in university STEM programs are also foreign-born/educated. This accounts for much of their overrepresentation. Out of a population of 1.3 billion, there are going to be more than enough qualified people to flood American universities. That would be true even if their IQ were slightly lower than Whites'.

Chinese immigrants before the 70s were uneducated.

Moreover, look at South Korea's performance in international science competitions. Their performances have been increasing and is still increasing. South Korean students perform at a higher level than Chinese American students.

Moreover, an overrepresentation of 140 000% is impossible if they weren't smarter and more creative.

[Curious One]

One friend of mine is Chinese, moved here when she was 5 from China. She has told me on several occasions that if not for her parents literally beating her she wouldn't be where she is with school. I imagine that Europeans in general were disciplined as the East-Asians do their children similar results would be seen.

I know some Asian friends who never studied in high school and easily got marks in the 80s. I don't even think that's remotely true.

[Curious One]

http://theslittyeye.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/iq-by-province2.jpg?w=620

[Graham]

Most Educated Countries Across The World

Published on January 29, 2014 in General Info (http://www.uniworldnews.org/category/general-info/), Latest News (http://www.uniworldnews.org/category/latest-news/)

Education is the most important aspect in a life of any individual to establish his/her name in the society. On the basis of the surveys done we gathered some astonishing facts about the most educated countries. The list below contains the most educated countries depending upon the number of population educated and the lowest illiteracy rate in the country.

1. Russian Federation: Russia is the most educated country where the illiteracy rate is the least amongst the whole world. According to the OECD more than 50% population of Russia in between the age of 25 to 64 had achieved a tertiary edification. According to the OEDC, Russia invests the major portion in the education system. About 95% of the population in Russia had an upper secondary qualification.
Total Population in the Israel with tertiary education: 53.5%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: NA
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 4.9% (5th lowest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Russian-Federation-768x1024.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Russian-Federation.jpg)

2. Canada: In Canada every fourth adult is highly educated with a great career oriented education. This is the highest fraction in the OECD records. Canada spends almost $16,300 on every student for the post-secondary schooling annually. This is the second most amounts after the United States. In terms of percentage Canada spends almost double the OCED average towards the bachelor’s degree.
Total Population in the Israel with tertiary education: 51.3%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: 2.3%
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 6.6% (10th highest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Canada2-1024x768.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Canada2.jpg)

3. Japan: Japan spends a very small percentage of their total GDP on the education system they have which is measured by the OECD. Though the GDP on the education system is not so high, still Japan is one of the most literate countries in the world. In Japan there is almost 23% of the total population who comes under the highest levels of literacy which is almost double then of the United States.
Total Population in the Israel with tertiary education: 46.4%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: 3.0%
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 5.1% (6th lowest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Japan-1024x396.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Japan.jpg)

4. Israel: Israel is also one of the most educated countries around the world. Israel has a standard rule in which men whose age is in between 18-21 years and women who are 18-20 years old are required to enroll themselves in the military. Because of this the average age of the graduates in Israel is a bit more in comparison to other countries. Israel does not spend a good annual amount on the education of a student as compare to other countries.
Total Population in the Israel with tertiary education: 46.4%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: NA
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 7.5% (5th highest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/israel1-1024x666.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/israel1.jpg)

5. United States: The United States is also one of the most educated countries throughout the world. The education system is more public and was increased by 5% on an average in the year 2008-2010 amongst all the OECD countries. The United States government spends almost $22,700 on per student for their education. The teachers are earning a very handsome salary in the United States.
Total Population in the United States with tertiary education: 42.5%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: 1.4%
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 7.3% (6th highest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/United-States1-1024x640.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/United-States1.jpg)

6. Korea: Korea is another good name in terms of getting a job after the education. The percentage of unemployed adults after the completion of their education is only 2.6% which is declared as a very less percentage throughout the world after Norway by the OECD. Even the salaries of the Korean teachers are best in the market as compare to all over the world.
Total Population in the Korea with tertiary education: 40.4%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: 4.9%
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 7.6% (3rd highest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Korea-1024x681.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Korea.jpg)

7. United Kingdom: United Kingdom is again a very well known country in terms of the education. Since the year 2000, the international students prefer the United Kingdom because of the great education system. The education system in the United Kingdom is majorly taken care by the private sector.
Total Population in the United Kingdom with tertiary education: 39.4%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: 4.0%
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 6.5% (12th highest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/United-Kingdom-1024x640.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/United-Kingdom.jpg)

8. New Zealand: New Zealand is another big name in terms of the world’s top educated countries. The New Zealand’s government spends almost 21.2% of their total earnings on the education system. In New Zealand the technical courses are very famous as most of the students choose the technical courses after the completion of their secondary or high school.
Total Population in the New Zealand with tertiary education: 39.3%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: 2.9%
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 7.3% (7th highest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/New-Zealand-1024x669.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/New-Zealand.jpg)

9. Finland: Finland has a very effective and one of the best education systems in this world. The government of Finland is spending almost 2% of its overall GDP on the education system which is calculated as the world’s second highest after Korea. The higher education system in the Korea is completely taken care by the government.
Total Population in the Finland with tertiary education: 39.3%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: 1.7%
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 6.5% (11th lowest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Finland.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Finland.jpg)

10. Australia: Australia has been a very famous location for all the students around the globe for studies. In the year 2009, Australia received a maximum number of foreign born students recorded as about 25% of the total population of Australia. Australia is always a preference for studies because of the high chance of getting a job here.
Total Population in the Australia with tertiary education: 38.3%
Annual average growth rate during the year 2000-2011: 3.1%
The GDP percentage on the education expenditure: 6.1% (15th lowest)

http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Australia1-1024x649.jpg (http://www.uniworldnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Australia1.jpg)

[Felix Volkbein]

Chinese immigrants before the 70s were uneducated.



Yes, and their children are NOT the ones dominating the Olympiad teams, despite what you erroneously believe. Furthermore, third generation Chinese regress towards a lower mean than White children and don't do as well. I'll post the relevant data wrt that and the effect of foreign students on "overrepresentation" later.

[Curious One]

One friend of mine is Chinese, moved here when she was 5 from China. She has told me on several occasions that if not for her parents literally beating her she wouldn't be where she is with school. I imagine that Europeans in general were disciplined as the East-Asians do their children similar results would be seen.

We could say that for Hispanics and Blacks, they study far less and are far less disciplined than Whites.

[Curious One]

http://i.stack.imgur.com/IJAlZ.png

[Curious One]

Yes, and their children are NOT the ones dominating the Olympiad teams, despite what you erroneously believe. Furthermore, third generation Chinese regress towards a lower mean than White children and don't do as well. I'll post the relevant data wrt that and the effect of foreign students on "overrepresentation" later.

Well, I am saying that a lot are not from the higher class. So, if we only took the recent immigrants the overrepresentation would be well over 140 000% in Physics and Chemistry.

[Curious One]

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/25-countries-most-brainpower-211349685.html

[Felix Volkbein]

Well, I am saying that a lot are not from the higher class. So, if we only took the recent immigrants the overrepresentation would be well over 140 000% in Physics and Chemistry.

Most of the recent immigrants we get from Asia come here highly educated and/or skilled. They're not peasants. You don't know what you're talking about. I'll gather and post the data later.

[Also]

East asians have bigger brains and a higher average IQ, they are only surpassed by ashkenazi jews.

[Curious One]

Most of the recent immigrants we get from Asia come here highly educated and/or skilled. They're not peasants. You don't know what you're talking about. I'll gather and post the data later.

I didn't say otherwise. I am pretty sure that there were roughly 500 000 Chinese in the U.S. before the 70s. Now, they are 1.8 million. Do the math.

[Curious One]

East asians have bigger brains and a higher average IQ, they are only surpassed by ashkenazi jews.

I am not sure if Jews are that smart. Nowadays, we don't see many Jews in science and engineering competitions in the U.S. although in the 70s they represented 40% of the finalists.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

[Felix Volkbein]

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/25-countries-most-brainpower-211349685.html

PISA scores between nations are not measurement invariant. You people need to quit using them as proxies for a country's intelligence:


We estimated the invariance of educational achievement (EA) and learning attitudes (LA) measures across nations. A multi-group confirmatory factor analysis was used to estimate the invariance of educational achievement and learning attitudes across 55 nations (Programme for International Student Assessment [PISA] 2006 data, N = 354,203). The constructs had the same meaning (factor loadings) but different scales (intercepts). Our conclusion is that comparisons of the relationships between educational achievement and learning attitudes across countries need to take into consideration two sources of variability: individual differences of students and group differences of educational systems. The lack of scalar invariance in EA and LA measures means that the relationships between EA and LA may have a different meaning at the level of nations and at the student level within countries. In other words, as PISA measures are not invariant in scalar sense, the comparisons across countries with nationally aggregated scores are not justified. (Contains 2 figures and 5 tables.)

http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ995366

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

No. They are not smart in the same sense that we are. They make good human calculators, and can become extremely adept at unusual talents like gymnastics, cupstacking and E-Sports, but they do not have the precious innovative instinct that we enjoy nor innate burning passion for artistic expression.

All races are artistic. Asian artistic ability also comes in many different forms of martial arts, but they are also artistic in Drawings and poetry, writing, ect. And obviously anime with many sci fi- and fantasy ect shows. You just you wish you were artistic, you probably can only draw stick figures well anyways


http://www.china.org.cn/top10/2011-03/04/content_22054243_5.htm

[Curious One]

PISA scores between nations are not measurement invariant. You people need to quit using them as proxies for a country's intelligence:



http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ995366

Well, the thing is that it is correlated with intelligence. White American students score higher than German students although they have a vastly worse schooling system.

[Curious One]

Yes, and their children are NOT the ones dominating the Olympiad teams, despite what you erroneously believe. Furthermore, third generation Chinese regress towards a lower mean than White children and don't do as well. I'll post the relevant data wrt that and the effect of foreign students on "overrepresentation" later.


"The poverty rates of Chinese and Vietnamese are higher than they are for whites. However the disadvantaged children of Chinese and Vietnamese immigrant families routinely surpass the educational attainment of their native-born, middle-class white peers."

[Scholarios]

Well, you see, Koreans for instance go to school every single goddamned day from 8 in the morning to 11-12 at night (no joke) and go to after school hagwons on the weekends or whenever they have extra time. The curriculum is designed to destroy stragglers and decide everything on the first day of Grade 1. They take multiple IQ tests throughout elementary school and improve each time. They have no moral stance strongly against cheating. This is how Asians are "so smart" (Not that there arent genuinely smart Asians like every people in the world)

[Felix Volkbein]

Well, the thing is that it is correlated with intelligence. White American students score higher than German students although they have a vastly worse schooling system.

You're clearly an idiot who is regurgitating material he's read on various blogs and websites without really understanding it. Do you know what measurement invariant means? How about doing some of your own thinking for once?


"The poverty rates of Chinese and Vietnamese are higher than they are for whites. However the disadvantaged children of Chinese and Vietnamese immigrant families routinely surpass the educational attainment of their native-born, middle-class white peers."



An economic glass ceiling may still exist for many Chinese Americans who are climbing the income ladder, according to a broad-based social and economic study published this month by the Organization of Chinese Americans (OCA).

Although Chinese Americans are more educated — the proportion of Chinese Americans 25 years and older who have earned a college degree (51.7 percent) dwarfs that of the general population (27 percent) — and the median household income for Chinese American families also outpaces that of the general population ($62,705 in 2006 inflation-adjusted dollars compared to $48,451), Chinese Americans consistently trail behind their non-Hispanic white counterparts in every pay grade category. For example, among workers who have earned a bachelor’s degree, the median income for Chinese Americans was $55,571, compared to $62,185 for non-Hispanic whites.

“Contrary to popular beliefs, Chinese Americans often face extra barriers to economic success, despite their educational achievements,” said Larry H. Shinigawa, American Studies professor at the University of Maryland.

Controlling for gender and industry of occupation skews the data slightly. Chinese American women who have completed at least some college have a higher median income than non-Hispanic white women. Chinese American workers display slightly higher median incomes in financial, computer and engineering occupations, while trailing further behind, up to 44 percent, in legal and medical fields.

The overall data imply that, regardless of occupation, and given the same educational level, Chinese Americans earn higher than the national median income but lag behind their non-Hispanic white counterparts.

“Time and hard work simply haven’t been enough for Chinese Americans to fully enter into mainstream social and professional circles,” Shinigawa said. “I suspect there are many reasons such as language barriers or simply the difficulties that go along with being identified as an ‘outsider.’ In the long run, increasing mentoring efforts and leadership opportunities can enhance the Chinese American community. You need a pipeline, a network to help young professionals rise to their potential, and increase Chinese American participation in top positions.”

The study paints an intricately detailed sketch of Chinese Americans in the United States today, on topics as diverse as education, voter participation, marriage and citizenship.

An important overarching finding of the study was that Chinese Americans, frequently relegated to a singular ethnic group, are actually quite diverse. Factors such as country of origin, generation, language ability, degree of naturalization and immigration period were all found to affect the socioeconomic profile of Chinese American subgroups — in some cases to a drastic degree, such as household income.

“[This study] surely demonstrates the need to stop treating Chinese Americans as a monolithic group,” said Shinigawa. “Different segments of the population have very different needs.”

Socioeconomic stratification in the Chinese American community was found to be pronounced. Instead of following a bell curve typical of “normalized” population studies, statistics showed split distribution in personal income, residential pattern and education. Younger, later generations who were well educated and upwardly mobile formed a socioeconomic profile vastly different from older, multilingual immigrant generations. This “bimodal” society made a strong case for the level of diversity to be found within the Chinese American ethnic group.

“It makes for a rather bipolar picture of wealth and poverty, high and low education levels, white and blue collars,” Shinagawa said. “It’s a pattern you expect to see after a wave of immigration. But in this case, the long-term settled population has yet to achieve full equal treatment.”

Other interesting findings were that Chinese Americans accounted for 24.3 percent of Asian Americans in the United States, making them the largest ethnic subgroup; 59.5 percent claim mainland China as their country of origin, with 15.9 percent from Taiwan, 15.3 percent from the Chinese diaspora and 9.4 percent from Hong Kong; an estimated 70.2 percent of Chinese Americans are U.S. citizens.

Another interesting find is that 53.8 percent of all Chinese Americans lived in either California or New York, giving the two states the nation’s highest Chinese American populations. Chinese Americans are more likely to be married than the general population and have a lower divorce rate. Slightly more than one in 10 Chinese Americans has a multiracial background.

The study — a joint venture between OCA, a national Asian Pacific American advocacy organization, and the University of Maryland, College Park — was a comprehensive analysis of U.S. government census data.


http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=6ec7eb56a450600d6f1bf b41f1899e76


Using data from recent Current Population Surveys (CPS), this study compares third-and-higher generation with earlier generation Asian Americans and non-Hispanic whites in terms of socioeconomic characteristics and demographics. The findings suggest a “third-generation decline or flattening” for Asian American and white men as well as Asian American and white women. For each of these groups, the mean of years of schooling among the 2.5 and third generations is lower than among the first and second generations. This pattern is most pronounced among Asian Americans. As for wage determination, the generational differentials can be explained by educational attainment and other basic demographic variables. Overall, these results suggest that assimilation beyond the first generation immigrants no longer improves socioeconomic attainments as expected by traditional assimilation theory. Furthermore, in the case of Asian Americans, cultural assimilation across the generations may actually lower educational attainment and thereby reduce wages contrary to traditional assimilation theory.
…
It is widely noted that Asian immigrant parents have higher educational and socioeconomic expectations and motivations for their children than do non-Hispanic white parents (e.g., Goyette and Xie 1999; Kao 1995, 2004). Asian families also tend to invest more aggressively in financial, human, and within-family social capital than families from other racial groups (e.g., Sun 1998). Yet, protective effects of ethnic cultures and resources decline according to more acculturation into the mainstream U.S. society (e.g., Kao and Tienda 1995). As third-or-higher generation Asians become more “Americanized,” they tend to embrace the prevailing U.S. norm that as long as good efforts have been made based on one’s ability, the outcome would be acceptable even though one has not achieved the best performance or reached a higher level of education (Chen and Stevenson 1989; Stevenson 1988).

http://paa2009.princeton.edu/papers/90354


Shinagawa pointed out another interesting phenomenon; later generation (second, third, fourth, etc.) Asian Americans on average have markedly lower education and income compared to immigrant Asians.

In 2007, 33 percent of PhDs conferred in the U.S. were to Asians. However, of that 33 percent, only 2 percent were Asians Americans born or raised in the U.S.

Perhaps some Asian Americans should take some lessons from their immigrant counterparts, at least when it comes to career choices.

http://www.ibtimes.com/asian-americans-increasingly-defying-stem-stereotype-246578

[Curious One]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aSz8KzKaSg8/U9LoDb_THDI/AAAAAAAABV8/qBwjXtcPX6o/s1600/f2a-large.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--XO0KUrYetI/U9LoEYJMvpI/AAAAAAAABWE/1dFAu4MfBkg/s1600/f1-large.jpg

collapse in jewish achievement

[Curious One]

Well, you see, Koreans for instance go to school every single goddamned day from 8 in the morning to 11-12 at night (no joke) and go to after school hagwons on the weekends or whenever they have extra time. The curriculum is designed to destroy stragglers and decide everything on the first day of Grade 1. They take multiple IQ tests throughout elementary school and improve each time. They have no moral stance strongly against cheating. This is how Asians are "so smart" (Not that there arent genuinely smart Asians like every people in the world)

And the reason why Greece is a poor-performer economically, scientifically and technologically is because Greeks are more honest and don't study at all?

[Curious One]

You're clearly an idiot who is regurgitating material he's read on various blogs and websites without really understanding it. Do you know what measurement invariant means? How about doing some of your own thinking for once?





An economic glass ceiling may still exist for many Chinese Americans who are climbing the income ladder, according to a broad-based social and economic study published this month by the Organization of Chinese Americans (OCA).

Although Chinese Americans are more educated — the proportion of Chinese Americans 25 years and older who have earned a college degree (51.7 percent) dwarfs that of the general population (27 percent) — and the median household income for Chinese American families also outpaces that of the general population ($62,705 in 2006 inflation-adjusted dollars compared to $48,451), Chinese Americans consistently trail behind their non-Hispanic white counterparts in every pay grade category. For example, among workers who have earned a bachelor’s degree, the median income for Chinese Americans was $55,571, compared to $62,185 for non-Hispanic whites.

“Contrary to popular beliefs, Chinese Americans often face extra barriers to economic success, despite their educational achievements,” said Larry H. Shinigawa, American Studies professor at the University of Maryland.

Controlling for gender and industry of occupation skews the data slightly. Chinese American women who have completed at least some college have a higher median income than non-Hispanic white women. Chinese American workers display slightly higher median incomes in financial, computer and engineering occupations, while trailing further behind, up to 44 percent, in legal and medical fields.

The overall data imply that, regardless of occupation, and given the same educational level, Chinese Americans earn higher than the national median income but lag behind their non-Hispanic white counterparts.

“Time and hard work simply haven’t been enough for Chinese Americans to fully enter into mainstream social and professional circles,” Shinigawa said. “I suspect there are many reasons such as language barriers or simply the difficulties that go along with being identified as an ‘outsider.’ In the long run, increasing mentoring efforts and leadership opportunities can enhance the Chinese American community. You need a pipeline, a network to help young professionals rise to their potential, and increase Chinese American participation in top positions.”

The study paints an intricately detailed sketch of Chinese Americans in the United States today, on topics as diverse as education, voter participation, marriage and citizenship.

An important overarching finding of the study was that Chinese Americans, frequently relegated to a singular ethnic group, are actually quite diverse. Factors such as country of origin, generation, language ability, degree of naturalization and immigration period were all found to affect the socioeconomic profile of Chinese American subgroups — in some cases to a drastic degree, such as household income.

“[This study] surely demonstrates the need to stop treating Chinese Americans as a monolithic group,” said Shinigawa. “Different segments of the population have very different needs.”

Socioeconomic stratification in the Chinese American community was found to be pronounced. Instead of following a bell curve typical of “normalized” population studies, statistics showed split distribution in personal income, residential pattern and education. Younger, later generations who were well educated and upwardly mobile formed a socioeconomic profile vastly different from older, multilingual immigrant generations. This “bimodal” society made a strong case for the level of diversity to be found within the Chinese American ethnic group.

“It makes for a rather bipolar picture of wealth and poverty, high and low education levels, white and blue collars,” Shinagawa said. “It’s a pattern you expect to see after a wave of immigration. But in this case, the long-term settled population has yet to achieve full equal treatment.”

Other interesting findings were that Chinese Americans accounted for 24.3 percent of Asian Americans in the United States, making them the largest ethnic subgroup; 59.5 percent claim mainland China as their country of origin, with 15.9 percent from Taiwan, 15.3 percent from the Chinese diaspora and 9.4 percent from Hong Kong; an estimated 70.2 percent of Chinese Americans are U.S. citizens.

Another interesting find is that 53.8 percent of all Chinese Americans lived in either California or New York, giving the two states the nation’s highest Chinese American populations. Chinese Americans are more likely to be married than the general population and have a lower divorce rate. Slightly more than one in 10 Chinese Americans has a multiracial background.

The study — a joint venture between OCA, a national Asian Pacific American advocacy organization, and the University of Maryland, College Park — was a comprehensive analysis of U.S. government census data.


http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=6ec7eb56a450600d6f1bf b41f1899e76


Using data from recent Current Population Surveys (CPS), this study compares third-and-higher generation with earlier generation Asian Americans and non-Hispanic whites in terms of socioeconomic characteristics and demographics. The findings suggest a “third-generation decline or flattening” for Asian American and white men as well as Asian American and white women. For each of these groups, the mean of years of schooling among the 2.5 and third generations is lower than among the first and second generations. This pattern is most pronounced among Asian Americans. As for wage determination, the generational differentials can be explained by educational attainment and other basic demographic variables. Overall, these results suggest that assimilation beyond the first generation immigrants no longer improves socioeconomic attainments as expected by traditional assimilation theory. Furthermore, in the case of Asian Americans, cultural assimilation across the generations may actually lower educational attainment and thereby reduce wages contrary to traditional assimilation theory.
…
It is widely noted that Asian immigrant parents have higher educational and socioeconomic expectations and motivations for their children than do non-Hispanic white parents (e.g., Goyette and Xie 1999; Kao 1995, 2004). Asian families also tend to invest more aggressively in financial, human, and within-family social capital than families from other racial groups (e.g., Sun 1998). Yet, protective effects of ethnic cultures and resources decline according to more acculturation into the mainstream U.S. society (e.g., Kao and Tienda 1995). As third-or-higher generation Asians become more “Americanized,” they tend to embrace the prevailing U.S. norm that as long as good efforts have been made based on one’s ability, the outcome would be acceptable even though one has not achieved the best performance or reached a higher level of education (Chen and Stevenson 1989; Stevenson 1988).

http://paa2009.princeton.edu/papers/90354


Shinagawa pointed out another interesting phenomenon; later generation (second, third, fourth, etc.) Asian Americans on average have markedly lower education and income compared to immigrant Asians.

In 2007, 33 percent of PhDs conferred in the U.S. were to Asians. However, of that 33 percent, only 2 percent were Asians Americans born or raised in the U.S.

Perhaps some Asian Americans should take some lessons from their immigrant counterparts, at least when it comes to career choices.

http://www.ibtimes.com/asian-americans-increasingly-defying-stem-stereotype-246578

Your point is?

[Scholarios]

And the reason why Greece is a poor-performer economically, scientifically and technologically is because Greeks are more honest and don't study at all?

I guess because you are typical Apricity-tard you are making this some kind of war of nations in a teacup. Ok, I'll satisfy you. But in any case, South Korea has a median income of like 18,000 USD, they are not some neo-Japan like you Asian-fetishers like to think. ( I should know, I've lived there for 7 years and Japan for 2).

Greeks abroad have similar levels of success and education as Chinese Americans(perhaps higher, have to look for statistics). The difference is that authoritarianism reigned in corruption in places like Korea, China, and Taiwan).


Grreks in Grrece may have a corruption problem. But the US SAT was never cancellled for Greeks twice in a row because of massive cheating.(the only times SAT have been cancled for an entire nation! (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323744604578472313648304172?mg=ren o64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB1000 1424127887323744604578472313648304172.html))

As I said, Asians are exactly as smart as the rest of the world. No smarter. Some good people though, of course, as anywhere...

[Curious One]

PISA scores between nations are not measurement invariant. You people need to quit using them as proxies for a country's intelligence:



http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ995366

All that study seems to say is that learning attitude may have an impact on the results, which is true, but it still doesn't refute that it can be a proxy for IQ since it also has an effect on IQ.

[Felix Volkbein]

Your point is?

You're probably a troll.

Anyway, I'll use this opportunity to point out that Asians' high school credentials actually overpredict their college performance.

From Thomas Espenshade:

http://i57.tinypic.com/2r4s7m0.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ztf1tw.jpg

As you can see, the order is WHITE > Asian > Hispanic > Black. When it comes to college, Whites graduate on top. Note the sentence in the second picture: "Even Asian students, long believed by some to be academic superstars, end up graduating with a class rank that is on average 10 percentage points lower than similar Whites."

Further proof from a different study by Peter Arcidiacono et al. is available here (See Figure 1 on Page 3 as well as Table 6 on Page 11):

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1186%2F2193-8997-1-5#page-1


Results are presented in Table 6. The first columns just controls for race and gender.
Here we see that males and Asians lose ground during their time at Duke relative to their
female and non-Asian counterparts. This result continues as more controls are added

At Law School, the same pattern emerges both on the LSAT and on the Bar Exam:


Kidder reports that after affirmative action, Asian Americans went from 17.4% to 18.3% of UC Law School enrollments, a small increase that trailed national trends. In contrast, Kidder notes, white enrollments at UC Law Schools jumped from 59.8% of the class to 71.7% after Prop. 209.

http://www.modelminority.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=198:asian-americans-not-helped-by-californias-ban-on-affirmative-action-&catid=42:law&Itemid=56

And for data on the Bar Exam, we can look at CA, which has one of the largest Asian-American populations, and offers a good proxy for the rest of the nation:

http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/portals/4/documents/gbx/july2012stats.122112_r.pdf

Looking at Passing Rate by race, we see the following pattern among First Time Test Takers:

Whites: 74.7% pass rate
Asians: 63.6%
Hispanics: 57.4%
Blacks: 44.4%

Among Repeat Test Takers, the same order holds:

Whites: 21.1%
Asians: 16.7%
Hispanics: 15.9%
Blacks: 10.4%

I could easily furnish more examples of the lower than predicted East Asian achievement at the upper levels post-High School, but I like East Asians and they're infinitely preferable to the retarded fat fuck Mexicans we've been importing or the Muslims in Europe, so I don't want to pick on them too much. I just think the inflated claims about their unstoppable genius which is supposedly going to overwhelm the White race need to be punctured. Asians are intelligent and capable, but they're not superior to Whites.

[Curious One]

You know that Asians include Pacific Islanders Pakistanis and Southeast Asians, right? You said I was dumb and seemed to not understand what I was saying, but the mistake you've committed is actually worse than that.

[Scholarios]

Butlerking? Is that you????

[Curious One]

Also, there are 4 times as many whites who took the tests when there are 6.4 times as many Whites as Asians in California. Moreover, like I said, Asian Americans are a very heterogeneous groups. Groups like Hmong, Vietnamese, Pakistanis and Pacific Islanders are far less educated than Whites and are much poorer than Whites. Another thing, some of them immigrated to the U.S. recently. I don't think it's a fair comparison at all to begin with.

[Kawaiine]

good academic performance doesn't mean good education

east asian countries are being high-ranked in PISA test because of our education system is exam-oriented - it's not an all-round development education. Good exam result doesn't reflect a student is smart or not. I'm east asian and I have seen many good-graded students without independent thinking and creativity in my area. They shouldn't be called as "smart".

[Dandelion]

Ashkenazi Jews are the smartest, but they don't have their own nation (Israel is also comprised of Sephardim, Mizrahim, Beta Israel, etc...). Jewish intelligence didn't come like manna from the sky, a smart Jew is also a hardworking and passionate Jew.

To add to that, I think a great emphasis on education improves IQ scores. It's partially genetic but also based on one's own mentality and of course the circumstances one lives in.

[curupira]

good academic performance doesn't mean good education

east asian countries are being high-ranked in PISA test because of our education system is exam-oriented - it's not an all-round development education. Good exam result doesn't reflect a student is smart or not. I'm east asian and I have seen many good-graded students without independent thinking and creativity in my area. They shouldn't be called as "smart".

One of the main criticisms to the Japanese armed forces is the lack of improvisation capability of their soldiers (both by the Japanese themselves and by the leading armed forces in the world, the American). I think it has to do with a more discipline oriented culture (though it could also be partly genetically influenced), which will also help a student to get good grades too. Being smart is broader than good grades though, and there are many different ways of being smart IMO, it is manifold. Newest intelligence theories are saying there are many types of intelligence, and I tend to believe in that (not excluding the possibility of a general intelligence - 'g' - as some experts argue there is).

In my experience in Brazil, East Asians perform consistently better than everybody else academically. Japanese Brazilian students, f.e, are overrepresented in the elite courses of the best São Paulo city colleges:


Pelo senso comum, descendentes de japoneses são estudiosos, disciplinados, vão bem na escola, passam no vestibular com mais facilidade e, em boa parte dos casos, têm grandes afinidades com as carreiras de exatas. De acordo com uma pesquisa feita com dados da USP e Unesp, esse imaginário popular não está distante da realidade: de 1,2% da população da cidade de São Paulo, os descendentes de japoneses são menos de 4% nos inscritos no vestibular e cerca de 15% nos aprovados.

Nas carreiras mais concorridas, como Medicina e Engenharia, eles chegam a representar, em média, 15% e 20% dos estudantes matriculados, respectivamente. A explicação para esse rendimento, ainda segundo a pesquisa, está relacionada com fatores culturais e motivacionais, como a alta valorização do conhecimento e do ensino formal entre essas famílias.
http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/educacao/conteudo.phtml?id=920202&tit=Valores-impulsionam-alunos-nipo-brasileiros


According to the general perception, Japanese descendants study hard, are disciplined, perform well at school, gaining access to colleges more easily than the rest and, to a greater degree, having a greater ease with mathematics and physics. According to a research with data from the University of São Paulo (USP) and the State University of São Paulo (Unesp), this perception is not out of reality: being 1,2% of the population of São Paulo city, the Japanese descendants are less than 4% of those competing in the college entrance exams, being 15% of those approved however.

In the most disputed courses, like medicine and engineering, they account, on average, for between 15% to 20% of the students enrolled, respectively. The explanation for this performance, according to the research, is related to cultural reasons as well as motivation, like the higher prestige of knowledge and formal education among these families".

http://i44.tinypic.com/2eewk6p.jpg

[jatt]

india has always influenced east asia and not the other way round.. that means we are the smartest not them

[Kawaiine]

the reason that east asian countries are being high-ranked in PISA in maths because our maths courses are harder compared to western countries - So if a HK student studied in local education system then transfer to a western education system such as IBDP, it(the maths course) would be easier for the student

[Longbowman]

Ashkenazi Jews by far, it's not even close, come on.

[StonyArabia]

If you're in the U.S., the East Asians you encounter most are the overachievers of East Asia. That's a skewed perspective.

The same is true of Middle Eastern immigrants in the US. East Asians are good at academics but we dominate over them in business especially Jordanians and Lebanese. Iraqis and Palestinians seem to be more academically inclined. Though as whole the Middle Eastern community in North America is successful and out perform many groups.

[Kawaiine]

the reason that east asian countries are being high-ranked in PISA in maths because our maths courses are harder compared to western countries - So if a HK student studied in local education system then transfer to a western education system such as IBDP, it(the maths course) would be easier for the student

but for an international school student who transfers to our local education system, it's much harder than a HK student (who studied HK local education system) transfers to an international school

[Taiga Lake]

I think there are pros and cons in all races.

[Anthony PV]

One of the main criticisms to the Japanese armed forces is the lack of improvisation capability of their soldiers (both by the Japanese themselves and by the leading armed forces in the world, the American). I think it has to do with a more discipline oriented culture (though it could also be partly genetically influenced), which will also help a student to get good grades too.

What do you mean by 'lack of improvisation capability of their soldiers'?

[curupira]

What do you mean by 'lack of improvisation capability of their soldiers'?

The sources I read referred to a situation the soldier had to face which was kind of unexpected.

[Anthony PV]

The sources I read referred to a situation the soldier had to face which was kind of unexpected.

I guess it has more to do with the way Japanese soldiers were trained back then than to the influence of any random genetic pattern preventing the development of the part of the brain that deals with improvisation... For instance, many weapons Japanese ninjas used in the past were actually everyday agrarian tools turned into improvised weapons: nunchakus were flails used to thresh rice, sais were probably gardening tools used to root out weed, etc.

When Frederick the Great, king of Prussia (Northern Germany), ruthlessly drilled his troops to robotically perform complex maneuvers without allowing them to ask any question, he won glorious victories in pitched battles... However, when his troops were forced to act as skirmishers, a task where you must use your own senses and act on your own initiative, their performance was deplorable... When Napoleon Bonaparte came and defeated Prussia at the double battle of Jena-Auerstadt in 1806, the Prussians were forced to review their training methods... Among the reforms: the harsh corporal punishments of Frederick's era were abolished and soldiers were encouraged to display initiative! :p

[curupira]

I guess it has more to do with the way Japanese soldiers were trained back then than to the influence of any random genetic pattern preventing the development of the part of the brain that deals with improvisation...

I was referring to contemporary observations by both the Japanese and American armed forces when it comes to the contemporary Japanese soldier (the one of today and the one of World War II). They did not mention any genetic inclination.

[Anthony PV]

I was referring to contemporary observations by both the Japanese and American armed forces when it comes to the contemporary Japanese soldier (the one of today and the one of World War II). They did mention any genetic inclination.

Oh, I thought you were referring to the Japanese soldiers of WW2... Perhaps the absence of any real-life deployment limits them to be nothing more than robotic simpletons... AFAIK, the contemporary Japanese army is a self-defence force authorized for territorial defence only, no?

[Thunder_shock]

Are they more on educated on average? sure, their advanced economy is a mark of this achievement.
But they are not naturally more intelligence, they just have a culture where there is much greater peer pressure to attain economic mobility and of course with that education is more valued to the point where it's central to their daily life.

For example a below par Asian person will perform as well as well as a bright white/black person in education and almost all of it is down to hard work.

[Unome]

It's now obvious with the internet that every society/culture defines "intelligence" and "smart" in different ways.

If there is a universal definition of biological intelligence then very few people are aware of it or embody its trait…

[zhaoyun]

I don't think East Asians are naturally more intelligent than other races. The Confucian culture of East Asia places a great deal of emphasis on academic achievement and fulfilling one's responsibilities. This adds a lot of pressure on individuals to succeed academically and in fulfilling their responsibilities to others. I think this is the primary reason for the high achievement of East Asians, basically, it's due to cultural pressures. There are many minority groups in China who are from other cultural traditions and they do not achieve as highly though genetically they are not very different from various Han Chinese groups.

[Kabul]

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[Imamudin]

Northern Europeans are the smartest.

Central Europeans are smarter according to several IQ studies.

[Sikeliot]

Ashkenazi Jews are the smartest, but they don't have their own nation (Israel is also comprised of Sephardim, Mizrahim, Beta Israel, etc...). Jewish intelligence didn't come like manna from the sky, a smart Jew is also a hardworking and passionate Jew.

And where do you think they got it from? Their Italian genes. :)

[Mary]

I can only speak about Koreans since I had some in my class, and no they're not particularly smart, they're just expected to study hard by their families, especially things like maths.

[Smeagol]

Yes they are on average, that's a fact although White Iqs have a higher range.

[Longbowman]

Yes they are on average, that's a fact although White Iqs have a higher range.

I don't think that last part is a fact. They say that about Jews, too, but I looked it up and the Jewish bell curve isn't any shorter than Gentiles'. Can you prove it?

[RandomlyRenounced]

If East Asians are the smartest, then why do Europeans (and Jews to a lesser extent) outclass them so broadly in inventions and scientific theories?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I don't trust any stats to come out of china, which don't account for the giant percentage of chinese who can't read or write at all. There's also never been any big chinese geniuses. So I say probably not really.

[Longbowman]

If East Asians are the smartest, then why do Europeans (and Jews to a lesser extent) outclass them so broadly in inventions and scientific theories?

To a lesser extent? Maybe in overall numbers, but you outnumber us 100 to 1.

[Brian_R]

Somalian Pirates are the future of humanity. :love:

[Longbowman]

I don't trust any stats to come out of china, which don't account for the giant percentage of chinese who can't read or write at all. There's also never been any big chinese geniuses. So I say probably not really.

1) The statistics would include the illiterate
2) Only 5% of Chinese people are illiterate
3) 'East Asia' includes countries that aren't China
4) There have been many Chinese geniuses

[Prisoner Of Ice]

1) The statistics would include the illiterate

If you trust them. I don't.

2) Only 5% of Chinese people are illiterate

It was 80% notlong ago. True intellectual society.


3) 'East Asia' includes countries that aren't China

Most of which have somewhat low IQ or are small countries. Regardless none of them ever had a study showing they had 112 IQ for whole country, like switzerland.


4) There have been many Chinese geniuses

Even fewer than these mythical jewish geniuses you are always whinging about.

Germanic area is where almost all the geniuses of the world come from, and also scores higher in tests. Take away the turks and other swarty tards and there's little doubt who would have unambiguously highest marks. They are simply smarter than everyone else and that's that. Japan and Hong Kong follow close behind, then not far behind that is europeans at large brahmins and general caucasoids.

Then, having been lapped about 40 times by now, comes everyone else. Blacks, Dalits, polynesians, abos etc.

Then of course brown triracials are somewhere between europe and 'aboriginals' aka savages. Arabs, ethiopian jews, mexicans, turks on and on.

Anyone remotely honest with themselves believes that. It's the truth. Everyone who disagrees, thinks it's their sad ethnicity that is the smartest (like you lol). I wish Irish were the smartest but they have always been strictly lower middle class for the most part.

[Longbowman]

If you trust them. I don't.

Redpill tier.


It was 80% notlong ago. True intellectual society.

Quit living in the past, my Neanderthal friend.


Most of which have somewhat low IQ or are small countries. Regardless none of them ever had a study showing they had 112 IQ for whole country, like switzerland.


Japan? Also, show me that supposed study. You keep mentioning it, I've never seen reference to it.


Even fewer than these mythical jewish geniuses you are always whinging about.

Jews are superior to Gentiles in every way except numerically, you just have Special Snowflake Syndrome.


They are simply smarter than everyone else and that's that.

I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA.


Anyone remotely honest with themselves believes that. It's the truth. Everyone who disagrees, thinks it's their sad ethnicity that is the smartest (like you lol). I wish Irish were the smartest but they have always been strictly lower middle class for the most part.

1) Ashkenazis are empirically smarter. Not just IQ tests but in terms of representation at pretty much every intellectual level
2) I'm not Ashkenazi, I just have significant AJ blood. I openly admit to being significantly Spanish & Portuguese and worse - shock - inferior Arab Jewish. Ashkenazis are still smarter, all you do is deny, deny, deny facts you don't like.

[Smeagol]

I don't think that last part is a fact. They say that about Jews, too, but I looked it up and the Jewish bell curve isn't any shorter than Gentiles'. Can you prove it?

No but I read it somewhere and I believe it because Europeans have contributed a lot more than East Asian in Science/inventions and also in philosophy, art, music, literature, etc..

[Kamal900]

No but I read it somewhere and I believe it because Europeans have contributed a lot more than East Asian in Science/inventions and also in philosophy, art, music, literature, etc..

Yes, esp the British which had contributed the most to the world.

[Smeagol]

Yes, esp the British which had contributed the most to the world.

Yup.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

X chromosome. If you are male and have a good one, you will be insanely smart. That is the big key to genius. The most highly selected on x chromosomes seem to have a neanderthal origin, btw.

[zhaoyun]

No but I read it somewhere and I believe it because Europeans have contributed a lot more than East Asian in Science/inventions and also in philosophy, art, music, literature, etc..

The contrast has primarily had to do with many historical circumstances that propelled Europe forward in the last few centuries. If you were to look at the world in the year 1450AD, you'd conclude without a doubt that East Asians disproportionately outclassed Europe in terms of scientific and social progress.

In other words, there is nothing permanent about a certain race's or civilization's superiority.

[Smeagol]

The contrast has primarily had to do with many historical circumstances that propelled Europe forward in the last few centuries. If you were to look at the world in the year 1450AD, you'd conclude without a doubt that East Asians disproportionately outclassed Europe in terms of scientific and social progress.

In other words, there is nothing permanent about a certain race's or civilization's superiority.


The contrast has primarily had to do with many historical circumstances that propelled Europe forward in the last few centuries. If you were to look at the world in the year 1450AD, you'd conclude without a doubt that East Asians disproportionately outclassed Europe in terms of scientific and social progress.

In other words, there is nothing permanent about a certain race's or civilization's superiority.

Im not so sure about that. The Middle Ages in the West weren't some dark ages like a lot of people try to portray them. I'll just post an article I posted in another thread. It deals mostly with Europe but talks about the Arabs a bit as well, and this is only up to 1000 AD. I wouldn't say Europeans were ahead of China in this period but by 1450 it could be argued they were.

Top 10 Reasons The Dark Ages Were Not Dark
I believe that we can safely say that the period of man's history from 476 AD to 1000 AD is the most maligned of all. This period, known to historians as the Early Middle Ages, is still referred to by most laymen as the Dark Ages. In fact the term "dark ages" is almost as ancient as the period itself – it was coined in the 1330s by Petrarch, the Italian scholar, to refer to the decline of Latin literature. It was later taken by the protestant reformers (16th century) and then the members of the Enlightenment (18th century) as a derogatory term with much broader implications, because they saw their own "enlightenment" as absent from the earlier period. Hardly a fair judgement on the past. Fortunately for modern students of history, the term is now officially known as the Early Middle Ages – a name which has no connotations at all. So, having given you the background on the terms, here are ten reasons that the dark ages were, in fact, a period of great progress and light.

10. Universities Are Born



The Classical Education (still used today in some schools) was the system used by the Universities which were created in the Early Middle Ages (the first in history). The universities taught the arts, law, medicine, and theology (the study of religion). The University of Bologna (founded in 1088) was the first ever to grant degrees. In addition to the classical structure (based on Ancient Greek education), these medieval universities were heavily influenced by Islamic education which was thriving at the time. While women were not admitted to Universities in the early days, the education of women did exist. The convents of the day educated the young women who would often enter at a very young age. One such women (Hildegard Von Bingen) is one of the most celebrated women of the Medieval era who had great influence over the men in power at the time.

9. Scientific Foundations Laid



While progress in Science was slow during this period in the West, the progress was steady and of a very high quality. The foundation was laid here for the wonderful blossoming of science that was to occur in the High Middle Ages to come. It can be safely said, that without the study of Science in the Early Middle Ages, we would be considerably behind in our scientific knowledge today. Ronald Numbers (professor at Cambridge University) has said: 'Notions such as: "the rise of Christianity killed off ancient science", "the medieval Christian Church suppressed the growth of the natural sciences", "the medieval Christians thought that the world was flat", and "the Church prohibited autopsies and dissections during the Middle Ages" [are] examples of widely popular myths that still pass as historical truth, even though they are not supported by historical research.'

8. Carolingian Renaissance



The Carolingian Renaissance was a period of advancements in literature, writing, the arts, architecture, jurisprudence, liturgical and scriptural studies which occurred in the late eighth and ninth centuries. The Carolingians were Franks and the most well known is Charlemagne. The Carolingian empire was considered a rebirth of the culture of the Roman Empire. At the time, Vulgar Latin was beginning to be replaced by various dialects as the main spoken languages in Europe, so the creation of schools was vital to spread knowledge further amongst the common people. It was also this period which gave us the foundation of Western Classical Music.

7. Byzantine Golden Age



Under Justinian this period gave us the Corpus Juris Civilis (Body of Civil law) – an enormous compendium of Roman Law. Literacy was high,elementary education was widespread (even in the countryside), middle education was available to many people, and higher education (as discussed above) was also widely accessible. In the Byzantine empire during this period we saw a massive outpouring of books – encyclopaedias, lexicons, and anthologies. While they did not create a lot of new thinking, they solidified and protected for the future much of what was already known.

6. Religious Unity



This is a sticky topic, but the fact is, during the Early Middle Ages, Europe had a united Church, an agreed upon canon of the Bible, and a well developed philosophical tradition. This led (as one would expect) to a great period of peace within the Western nations. While Islam was not in agreement with the doctrines of the West, much mutual sharing of information happened and the Islamic contribution to the West is still felt today. This union of beliefs allowed for intellectual progress unseen sincethe Roman Empire at its heyday. In a sense you might consider this period as the calm before the storm, as it was merely a hundred years later that the first Crusade would be called to take Jerusalem back from the Muslims – an event which ended the flow of knowledge between groups.

5. Algebra Arrived


Thanks to the learning of the Islamic people in the East, the world received its first book on algebra. The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing was written by Al-Khwārizmī (790-840) and the Arabic title of the book gave us the word “algebra”. The word algorithm comes from al-Khwārizmī’s name. This book gave us the first systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations. Later translations of his books also gave us the decimal positional number system we use today. Al-Khwārizmī, along with Diophantas, is considered the Father of algebra.

4. Art and Architecture



During the Early Middle Ages, architecture was diverse and innovative. It introduced the idea of realistic images in art and it laid the groundwork for the Romanesque period which was to come in the High Middle Ages. The period also included the introduction and absorption of classical forms and concepts in architecture. It can safely be said that this period was the first period of high art – with previous styles (Migration period) being much more functional and less "artistic". In the Early Middle Ages we witness the birth of an astonishing and beautiful history of art and building.

3. Fantastic Weather



Trivial as it may seem, the weather played a much greater part in the lives of the average people during the Middle Ages and beyond. When we think of the "Dark Ages" we tend to see images of snow storms, rain, thunder, and darkness – such as we see in films like "The Name of the Rose". The fact is, in the Early Middle Ages, the North Atlantic region was warming up – so much so that at the opening of the High Middle Ages (1100 AD), the region was 100 years into an event now known as the Medieval Warm Period. This warm period thawed much ice and enabled the Vikings to begin their colonization of Greenland and other northern nations. Ironically, the Protestant reformation (16th century) up until the 19th century suffered the Little Ice Age – the period of "enlightenment" was literally darker and colder than the "dark" ages. During this period, reforms and better knowledge of agriculture provided a boost to food supplies.

2. Law Becomes Fair



The Early Middle Ages had a complex system of laws which were often not connected, but they were effective and fair for the most part. For merchants travelling around the world, there was the Lex Mercatoria (Law Merchant) which had evolved over time, rather than being created. This law included arbitration and promoted good practice amongst traders. At the same time, Anglo Saxon Law was formed with a focus on keeping peace in the land. While this eventually lead to some very tough laws, living under the legal system in the Early Middle Ages was probably the best time to live – as it was still flexible and fair for the majority. The third important legal system was the Early Germanic Law which allowed each person to be tried by his own people – so as to not be disadvantaged by ignorance or major cultural differences.

1. Agricultural Boom



If you were wanting to die a martyr by starvation, the Early Middle Ages were not the time to do it! As a consequence of the excellent weather and greater agricultural knowledge, the West did extremely well. Iron tools were in wide use in the Byzantine empire, feudalism in other parts of the world introduced efficient management of land, and massive surpluses were created so that animals were fed on grains and not grass. Public safety was also guaranteed under the feudal system and so peace and prosperity was the lot for most people.

[Dandelion]

It was 80% notlong ago. True intellectual society.


Pfff. It also took as long as the late 19th century before the common folk could read and write in most European countries. I would even argue early 20th century at that depending on the country. Among the earliest Europeans with near 100% literacy were the Swedes (or rather Swedish Empire).

[Ziveth]

Yes. Here there is a world IQ map:
https://static.iq-research.info/20150809/img/iq_by_country.png