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Imperivm
02-14-2010, 09:56 PM
A journalist from The Times was thrown out of the meeting by security men

The British National Party has voted to scrap its whites-only membership rules after an extraordinary general meeting.

Members who had gathered in Essex voted to amend the party's constitution to let black and Asian people join.

The BNP had been threatened with a possible court injunction over its whites-only membership policy by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

The party must now go back to court in March when a judge will decide if the new rules meet race relation laws.

It is thought the BNP has removed references to "indigenous British" people, paving the way for black and Asian people to be admitted to the party for the first time.

'Legal reality'

But a BNP spokesman said he could not comment on the precise wording of the new rules until they had been seen by Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) lawyers.

Anti-fascist group Searchlight said the membership rule change was "a meaningless gesture", adding that "no-one seriously believes that thousands of black and Asian Britons will now be queuing up to join Nick Griffin's party".

A spokesman for the group said: "The BNP are as racist and extremist as ever."

BNP leader Nick Griffin told the BBC News Channel: "We had to do it (change the constitution) for legal reasons. Many of our members think it's a good thing.

A lot of people said we should have done it some time ago but that's really by the by.

"Our problem with this is a government funded, taxpayer-funded quango telling people who they can and can't associate with, [which] is a fundamental outrage.

"Nevertheless, we recognise legal reality, so we have done it and now, for one thing, they can't call us racist any more."

Mr Griffin also defended the forcible expulsion of a newspaper journalist from Sunday's meeting, saying the paper had previously written "lies" about the BNP.

The expulsion took place before the result of the vote was announced as Times journalist Dominic Kennedy was bundled out of the venue by BNP security guards.

Mr Kennedy said he had been invited to the meeting by party officials, but on arrival had been confronted by senior BNP member Richard Barnbrook, who is also a London Assembly member.

Mr Kennedy told the BBC News website "A number of BNP security people shoved me out of the room. I was hit in the back and had my nose grabbed."

He said he had not been hurt in the incident.

'Indigenous' Britons

Asked on the BBC News channel how the BNP could expect to be seen as a normal political party in the light of its behaviour towards a journalist, Mr Griffin said Mr Kennedy had been ejected because of Times "lies" about his party.

Nick Griffin: "We recognise legal reality... they can't call us racist anymore"

"He refused to leave when he was asked so he had to be encouraged to leave," said Mr Griffin.

He added: "We will carry on throwing The Times out until they report the truth. That's all we ask."

Mr Griffin and his party must now wait until next month to learn whether the changes to its rules will enable it to escape a court injunction.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) had threatened the injunction against the BNP unless it changed rules limiting membership to "indigenous British" people.

However at a Central London County Court hearing last month, there were questions over whether amendments proposed to the party's constitution would go far enough to satisfy lawyers from the EHRC.

'Major obstacle'

On Sunday, the EHCR said it had not seen the changes to the party's membership rules but hoped that it was "no longer discriminatory".

An EHCR spokeswoman said: "We're expecting to see a copy of the policy on Tuesday, which is the deadline set by the court.

"When we've received this we will consider our position ahead of the next court hearing on 9th March."

BNP deputy leader Simon Darby said further changes had been made since the court hearing and the party now believed it had overcome the "major obstacle that has stopped us from complying with the law".

The section of the constitution that could viewed as discriminatory against potential ethnic minority members had been removed, he told BBC News.

But he said he could not comment on the precise wording until it had been seen by EHRC lawyers, which would happen within the next seven days.

He said Mr Griffin had the authority to make further minor changes to the wording if the EHRC was not satisfied.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8514736.stm


It's done :|.

Sol Invictus
02-14-2010, 10:00 PM
Foreigners in a movement for Nationalist Indigenous people?

Something wrong with this picture..

Grumpy Cat
02-14-2010, 10:01 PM
Foreigners in a movement for Nationalist Indigenous people?

Something wrong with this picture..

Well, they've had Sikh and Hindu supporters in the past.

Germanicus
02-14-2010, 10:05 PM
Foreigners in a movement for Nationalist Indigenous people?

Something wrong with this picture..

No John, they should have voted this in years ago, this is the first step to being a proper political party.
Now it has been voted in like the BNP have quoted "they cannot be called racist?"

Imperivm
02-14-2010, 10:28 PM
No John, they should have voted this in years ago, this is the first step to being a proper political party.
Now it has been voted in like the BNP have quoted "they cannot be called racist?"

Agreed, this means more 'popular support' for the BNP as I am sure the racist label will be lessened in the minds of potentials voters because they may not feel as scared or guilty for voting for them.

But of course there is the obvious argument that the BNP is no longer a Ethno-Nationalist party, tis now Civic one..........

I wonder how long untill the BNP will have images on its website with non-European members displayed as being a major part of the BNP's vision. With this as you know could entail a slippery slope into inter-party political correctness and confusion. Meaning true Nationalists so to speak will be viewed as even more extreme causing fragmentation of the party.

Would be nice to hear different arguments for and against and what this means. :)

Equinox
02-14-2010, 10:43 PM
Native American Separatism (http://www.erinoconnor.org/archives/2003/10/separatism_nati.html)

Indigenous Australian Aboriginal Separatism (http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Aboriginal-party-looks-to-land-rights/2005/05/21/1116533578806.html)

Indigenous Separatism in Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Peoples_Party)

Indigenous Maori Separatism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maori_party)

Germanicus
02-14-2010, 10:48 PM
Agreed, this means more 'popular support' for the BNP as I am sure the racist label will be lessened in the minds of potentials voters because they may not feel as scared or guilty for voting for them.

But of course there is the obvious argument that the BNP is no longer a Ethno-Nationalist party, tis now Civic one..........

I wonder how long untill the BNP will have images on its website with non-European members displayed as being a major part of the BNP's vision. With this as you know could entail a slippery slope into inter-party political correctness and confusion. Meaning true Nationalists so to speak will be viewed as even more extreme causing fragmentation of the party.

Would be nice to hear different arguments for and against and what this means. :)

This is very true, but look at this on as bigger picture, the BNP will grow, the membership will increase, the party will adapt.
Call it what you like, add as much political correctness as you can eat, but everyone who votes for BNP wants change, and ultimately knows what the BNP vote will do?

Liffrea
02-15-2010, 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by John Preston
Something wrong with this picture..

Quite.

The something wrong being the lack of representation in our so called “representative democracy”.

We all have to play by what Jack Straw called the “moral compass” of politics, I couldn’t have put it better my self Mr Straw just how undemocratic and unrepresentative what passes for politics in the UK is.

Now I for one don’t expect there is a cue of Asians and blacks waiting to become members, yet I cannot perceive how this is seen as some sort of beneficial result! The BNP have just taken a major step forward to political irrelevance, bottom line is it has surrendered to the political ideology that prevails in Westminster politics, it’s now, more or less, a part of the system, not an alternative to it. The alternative may have been to be outlawed, but the BNP is effectively neutered now, perhaps not straight away, but five years down the line it will be gone. After all if the “moral compass” decides to outlaw talk of stopping immigration, if it decides to prevent a party campaigning to leave the EU what will the BNP do then I wonder? Change it’s constitution again?

The BNP never had any bargaining chips to begin with, that was always going to be it’s downfall, when Labour started out in the late 19th and early 20th centuries it mobilised the working class vote and the trade unions, it became a threat to the political system in the UK to such an extent the only option was to allow it into the halls of power, the Nazis did a similar thing in the 1930’s in Germany, they had a threat status, something to bargain with, the BNP have never had that, and any chance they probably had of mobilising public support will probably evaporate anyway, they thought they could take Westminster on at their own game, yesterday showed just how wrong they were.

Beorn
02-15-2010, 08:28 PM
The BNP have just taken a major step forward to political irrelevance.

I have to strongly disagree. The BNP have taken one leap into the acceptable political sphere, and because of this they have also taken one step in bringing down the very system which plays the tune by which we dance along to.

hereward
02-15-2010, 08:53 PM
It can only be and has to be the right decision. The bnp do not want to be hampered with costly trips to court, they need all their resources channeled into increasing their share of the vote. For me, the bnp is the only party that actually believes in the nation and the people and it is who I vote for, even though I would swap the B for an E. For the sake of our very existence, the current political parties have to be replaced, with all their poisinous experiments overturned, the bnp are the only party currently standing who attempt this gigantic task. A call for a witten constitution, which would limit the workings of those that despise their own nation, would do the bnp no harm at the ballot box.

a device
02-15-2010, 08:55 PM
Let's not forget; the BNP had little choice but to comply with the demand for non-Whites to join.
Therefore I find it very unfair to blame Nick Griffin for a 'further watering down' of the BNP's agenda.

I also agree that this 'decision' could be advantageous to the party, removing a lot of the ammunition that the media and establishment currently possess.

IMO parties are like forums. Why just support one? Nationalism is a broad church, with shades of grey.
I'm a Nationalsocialist, but would always vote BNP in UK elections. Furthermore, I would discourage any other more radical party from standing in the same seats as the BNP.

However, I would not donate to the BNP. I would rather spend my money on causes nearer to my own political ideology.
It's fruitless to say one Nationalist party has got it right and all the others are too radical/ mainstream.

We should move on like a convoy: some at the front, like the BNP, and some further back, who hold our truer, core beliefs (thus being unelectable at the moment).

One concern I have is that mass infiltration of antifa and hostile non-European elements could cause trouble at party level, by putting up anti-Nationalist candidates and policies, in an attempt to destroy the party from inside.

I hope Griffin has put into place some kind of voting system within the BNP, which will minimise this risk.

hereward
02-15-2010, 09:23 PM
There is a real possibillity that they can get a breakthrough this comming election(MP), one labour heartland falls, the rest will follow, this I hope will hearald change, though I really fear, demographically, all could be to late.

antonio
02-15-2010, 09:27 PM
Is infiltration into a UK party possible? Obviously democratic standards are far greater there than in Spain. There's the requisites to affiliate Popular Party (the moderate right party and antagonist of Socialist Party currently on gov)
(inc a translated relevant part at the end):


Afiliate al PP
¿Quieres afiliarte al Partido Popular? Es fácil. A la derecha econtrarás las fichas de afiliación y debajo unas sencillas instrucciones.

Requisitos
Ser mayor de edad.
Español y, en este caso, no militar en ningún otro partido, salvo los residentes en el extranjero que podrán estar afiliados a partidos afines al Partido Popular.
Ser ciudadano de algún país de la Unión Europea. En este caso, puede simultanearse la militancia con partidos de su ámbito nacional, siempre que sean afines al Partido Popular.
Conocer y asumir los Estatutos del partido así como sus principios de actuación.
Cumplimentar la ficha de afiliado y presentarla en la sede del partido de tu residencia. La ficha debe estar avalada por dos afiliados.

Fullfill affiliate card and bring it to the party. That card must be signed by two current affiliates.

So each new member has to be known by two previous, hence infiltration is impossible into such a corrupted nest. One things is for sure: that it was founded for at least two persons. :D

National_Nord
02-15-2010, 09:30 PM
Nationalism northern Europeans necessarily imply the meaning of race in its ideological content. Lack of persistence of racial identity in a nationalist party - is a step in the destruction of the nucleus of the nation in terms of ideology, because many of the patriots look up exactly with the nationalists. Changing the statute of the Nationalist Party because of human rights defenders - is the existence in the country of a totalitarian model of society where there is no freedom of speech reigns and forced liberal unanimity in a number of issues.
Nationalist Britain have to be white, I think.

Germanicus
02-15-2010, 09:36 PM
The BNP must put forward mass candidates for election in the coming months, the voting systen Labour has implemented through parliment has ensured that BNP voters will get proportional representation.
Of course, voters who are thinking of voting BNP must still get out and vote, recent polls have dropped, thus the voting power of Labour/conservatives will probably prevail yet again even with a large BNP vote.:(

hereward
02-15-2010, 09:46 PM
This will be by far their largest fielding of candidates, you can look up individual constituancies on wiki which show who has declared to stand for the next election. I dont put much store into our polls.

antonio
02-15-2010, 09:48 PM
Nationalism northern Europeans necessarily imply the meaning of race in its ideological content. Lack of persistence of racial identity in a nationalist party - is a step in the destruction of the nucleus of the nation in terms of ideology, because many of the patriots look up exactly with the nationalists. Changing the statute of the Nationalist Party because of human rights defenders - is the existence in the country of a totalitarian model of society where there is no freedom of speech reigns and forced liberal unanimity in a number of issues.
Nationalist Britain have to be white, I think.

You're all right. But take into account that things in Western Europe are very different from Eastern. Antieuropean Leftists has done here a big job for decades, so a party like BNP is permanently under a close watch with the menace of illegalization, continuously putting traps on its way. So, I want to believe that this change is merely a aestetic one without practical implications.

hereward
02-15-2010, 09:54 PM
Not to mention constant state security and media infiltration.

Liffrea
02-15-2010, 10:11 PM
I’ll leave you with this quote:

“Talking about values and the vision thing among the established political parties is to raise the issue of electoral strategy-and nothing more. And those parties that think outside the box will suffer judicial condemnation and be pushed into illegality”.

The BNP were given a choice-conform or cease to exist, they chose to conform but will still cease to exist in time, because:

“Expressing respect for authority or institutions or devising arguments to sanctify the status quo is not enough to alter the historical situation, one built on programmed changes that do not allow for serious opposition. Unless a rising or dominant elite would spearhead a campaign against the multicultural agenda, which is the sacred commitment of the Post-Marxist Left and its American counterparts, it is hard to see how such a purpose can be achieved”.

The BNP aren’t a rising or dominant elite, they never were, probably never were going to be, and are certainly not going to be from now on in, they have joined the multicultural agenda, the very one they were supposed to oppose. Now you may, rightly, argue they had no choice, and you would be right they had no choice!

The game has been played a certain way for the last sixty years in much of Western Europe and North America. Political change isn’t the ballot box or mob rule on the streets, the BNP have never understood this, they have been impotent from conception because they don’t have what it takes to play the big boys, they have no stake, nothing to offer or bargain with. They thought they could play the game their opponents have created and rigged for their own ends…..they were wrong, but they don’t have the ability to create a new game, seriously now what do they have? Who are their big hitters? Who are their backers? Where are their men of influence and men with money? What are they offering the players what they aren’t already getting from the yes men they already have?

Like it or not, and I don’t, that’s how politics is done.

The sad part is the BNP never had a chance, until there is a real movement with serious backers behind it in European politics nationalist politics will always be dead in the water, a fringe element that is irrelevant.

National_Nord
02-15-2010, 10:20 PM
So, I want to believe that this change is merely a aestetic one without practical implications.


Among the peoples of Western Europe has not developed immunity to the poison of Marxism, why the anti-European left-wing anarchists in these countries have the opportunity to spread their propaganda and harmful ideas.
That allowed the BNP to join its ranks of non-white - is a consequence of relatively weak nationalist propaganda of ideas in society. In England, freedom of speech and political correctness hampers the activities of human rights activists, liberals.

Catuvellaunian
02-15-2010, 10:25 PM
I have to strongly disagree. The BNP have taken one leap into the acceptable political sphere, and because of this they have also taken one step in bringing down the very system which plays the tune by which we dance along to.

I agree, this makes them more acceptable to the general public who previously may have believed the racist/fascist lies. And at the end of the day, what asian/black would join a party that would send them home unless they wanted to go home, which is what we want anyway?

Germanicus
02-15-2010, 10:29 PM
I’ll leave you with this quote:

“Talking about values and the vision thing among the established political parties is to raise the issue of electoral strategy-and nothing more. And those parties that think outside the box will suffer judicial condemnation and be pushed into illegality”.

The BNP were given a choice-conform or cease to exist, they chose to conform.

The BNP aren’t a rising or dominant elite, they never were, probably never were going to be, and are certainly not going to be from now on in, they have joined the multicultural agenda, the very one they were supposed to oppose. Now you may, rightly, argue they had no choice, and you would be right they had no choice!
They thought they could play the game their opponents have created and rigged for their own ends….

The sad part is the BNP never had a chance, until there is a real movement with serious backers behind it in European politics nationalist politics will always be dead in the water, a fringe element that is irrelevant.


This is the reality at this moment in time, BUT this will not always be the case, looking at the bigger political picture we have to agree trends change, priorities change, the voting mood changes, ask Thatcher.
The obvious Balkanisation of Britain has'nt been noticed yet in the hamlets, the small towns, but when the the voters are effected in their wallets with increased taxation to pay for the services to look after the influx, mood WILL change.

NationalConservative
02-16-2010, 05:07 PM
As I am a member of the party, I do not think that there is much to worry about, we are not going to stand our ethnic members as candidates but only have them as members and activists. Trust me, we have a Spanish and a Polish member and they have not stood as candidates but only worked as activists. Plus, there will not be much of a flood of ethnic groups and we come to the conclusion that there are ethnic Britons and civic ones where the latter will not be named British but just the former.

antonio
02-17-2010, 06:23 PM
Among the peoples of Western Europe has not developed immunity to the poison of Marxism, why the anti-European left-wing anarchists in these countries have the opportunity to spread their propaganda and harmful ideas.

Do you want to really know why? For its because of the massive attendance of Leftist bastards to all the Degrees related with childhood education hence their infiltration into the Public teacher jobs are also massive . Finally the massive flood of money from our taxes into Public(state owned) schools completes the cicle: for which in Spain you can get for your children a good-quality education for free...asuming, of course, the massive criminal brain-washing the educators unpunishly perform on their innocent souls. For me the best countermeasure would be homeschooling them: they would have the right and straigh perspective on the world, with the adding value of being teached with a father with far better scientific knowledge than the primary-school morons they would otherwise get.

PD. Keep a strong position in Eastern Europe, cause your entrance in UE it's our last stand to save the Europe we know and love.