What is the difference between Nordics and Nordids?

[Nordish Persephone]

Is there a difference? Isn't Nordic a more broad term that applies to a bunch of different subraces?

[Guapo]

Nordic can mean a few things, nordic countries, nordic sports etc. Nordid means a person of the nordic physical type.

[Sol Invictus]

Yup. It's just a matter of phenotype when -id is attached..

Mediterranean meaning the region, Mediterranid meaning a person from the region.

[Pallantides]

Nordic countries:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Location_Nordic_Council.svg/713px-Location_Nordic_Council.svg.png(Greenland should not be included imo.)

Nordic People:
Norwegians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegians)
Swedes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes)
Danes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danes)
Icelanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_people)
Faroese people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_people)


Nordid is a phenotype ,ex: a large portion of Norwegians for example are not Nordid but they are Nordic people.

[The Ripper]

Also Finland and the Finns are part of the concept of Norden.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Also Finland and the Finns are part of the concept of Norden.

And what about Russian Karelia and Kola peninsula?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/East_and_West_Karelias.png/451px-East_and_West_Karelias.png

[Eins Zwei Polizei]

Is there a difference? Isn't Nordic a more broad term that applies to a bunch of different subraces?

Lundman and Eickstedt applied the suffix -id to their racial types not to confuse with geographical definitions (I mean, you can be "Nordic" as a Scandinavian and still look Baltid, or live in the "Mediterranean" area and show Alpinid traits rather than Mediterranid proper, and so on).


The Necessity of a Handy and Clear Terminology

That only a strict clearness of term can protect against confusion and with it against misunderstandings in anthropological matters, should the just explained sufficient shed light on. Things would look better for much if one beared that more in mind. The clearness of term has also to find its expression in terminology.
Here it is not only essential that general and substantival terms like race or people always are used in an unequivocal way, but also that special and adjectival epithets exclude grosser mistakes. That's why one did already agree on, following the example of E. Fischer, to speak not only of a Negro race, a Mongolian or European race, but of a Negrid, a Mongolid and a Europid race circle (Rassenkreis). As a result it turns out to be a special advantage that the suffix -id is already used in zoology for the designation of groups of individuals (comp. Bovid, Felid, Canid). In accordance with linguistic rules, the suffix itself is added to the stem of the basic word - therefore not Europaeid, but Europoid.
But in the interest of scientific clearness also the wider spreading of this principle is urgently desired. Because terms like Melanesian, Australian or Oriental first have to be related to lingual and cultural communities, and one does not always want to or be able to put in far going subordinate clauses as a statement of the correct context. To exclude therefore any mistake, this principle was applied to in the following first try of a systematic division of the races of all race circles on Earth, which necessarily could not do without the creation of a couple of new - as short and easy to keep in the mind as possible - proper names.
Moreover, for reasons of verbal melodiousness and corresponding to the Latin usage, at compounds of several adjectives the suffix -id of the first adjective will be replaced by an -o, so that e. g. it will be spoken of Turano-Orientaloid individuals (mixed types) or of a Sudano-Niloid population (mixed people). But if the pronounced predominance of a certain race can be found in such mixtures, which only more or less seems influenced or slightly shifted by alien and perhaps not even in every single case clearly capable elements, we will have to speak of Turanoid or Sudanoid individuals or populations, in contrast to purely Turanoid or Sudanoid groups or individuals. So the suffix -oid means as much as "similar", similar to the Turanoid etc. race. Also, a Turanoid element can leave a "Turanoid" etc., that means: similar to the Turanoid race, stamp on an individual of a different race.
In the mentioned cases there is a physical similarity because of genetic connection assumed, namely the partial sharing of a common pre-parental genetic heritage. But cases occur where a form similarity is not determined by racial relationship, but because of convergence, mutations or development stage. Then, race-historically meaningless form similarities can result. That applies for a form development such as the epicanthus at young Caucasoids. The epicanthus is not a question of Mongoloid or Mongoloid form development, because there is no racial element, but only a Mongoliform characteristic. So as we here use the ending -iform (following Gusinde) as designation of a form similarity which we constate as such and without connection with its reason, we will use the suffix -(i)morphic (following Stratz) as characterization of the belonging to a morphological development stratum. For example there occur not seldom in older geological epochs and different withdraw areas of the Earth primitive form developments which we know today especially from the Australoids. Therefore in these cases it is to be spoken of Australimorphic features, just as we speak quite generally of protomorphic, metamorphic and archimorphic development stages of mankind. So we gain the followng terminological clarification:
It will be used for the adjectival characterization of
1. physical form groups (race circles, races, sub-races and local forms) and more-less racial pure individuals the suffix -id,
2. race mixtures with the predominance of a certain race or alien characteristics at a single individual the ending -oid,
3. members of similar development strata the ending -imorphic,
4. form similarity as such, which seems to be based neither on racial relationship nor on the same development stage, the ending -iform,
5. linguistical or cultural groups and communities (in German) the suffix -isch.

(Egon von Eickstedt, Rassenkunde und Rassengeschichte der Menschheit, Stuttgart 1934, p. 19-21, Translated by Agrippa)

[SilverFish]

Nordic means:
Nordids
Baltids
Borrebies
Faelids
Bruenns
Keltic Nordics
Paleo Atlantids?(they look more med, although they came from Norway, weird...)

Central European:
Alpinids
SubNordics
Norics
Dinarics
Atlanto Meds

Southern European:
Meds

[Agrippa]

The others explained it already, but to elaborate a little bit on that, its the suffix system many anthropologists and actually even other biologists used to make an easy and clear cut distinction.

Here I quote Nordgau in one of his great posts, a translation of v. Eickstedt, from Skadi:

The following text is an excerpt from Egon von Eickstedt, Rassenkunde und Rassengeschichte der Menschheit, Stuttgart 1934, p. 19-21, which I translated from German:


The Necessity of a Handy and Clear Terminology

That only a strict clearness of term can protect against confusion and with it against misunderstandings in anthropological matters, should the just explained sufficient shed light on. Things would look better for much if one beared that more in mind. The clearness of term has also to find its expression in terminology.

Here it is not only essential that general and substantival terms like race or people always are used in an unequivocal way, but also that special and adjectival epithets exclude grosser mistakes. That's why one did already agree on, following the example of E. Fischer, to speak not only of a Negro race, a Mongolian or European race, but of a Negrid, a Mongolid and a Europid race circle (Rassenkreis). As a result it turns out to be a special advantage that the suffix -id is already used in zoology for the designation of groups of individuals (comp. Bovid, Felid, Canid). In accordance with linguistic rules, the suffix itself is added to the stem of the basic word - therefore not Europaeid, but Europid.

But in the interest of scientific clearness also the wider spreading of this principle is urgently desired. Because terms like Melanesian, Australian or Oriental first have to be related to lingual and cultural communities, and one does not always want to or be able to put in far going subordinate clauses as a statement of the correct context. To exclude therefore any mistake, this principle was applied to in the following first try of a systematic division of the races of all race circles on Earth, which necessarily could not do without the creation of a couple of new - as short and easy to keep in the mind as possible - proper names.

Moreover, for reasons of verbal melodiousness and corresponding to the Latin usage, at compounds of several adjectives the suffix -id of the first adjective will be replaced by an -o, so that e. g. it will be spoken of Turano-Orientalid individuals (mixed types) or of a Sudano-Nilotid population (mixed people). But if the pronounced predominance of a certain race can be found in such mixtures, which only more or less seems influenced or slightly shifted by alien and perhaps not even in every single case clearly capable elements, we will have to speak of Turanoid or Sudanoid individuals or populations, in contrast to purely Turanid or Sudanid groups or individuals. So the suffix -oid means as much as "similar", similar to the Turanid etc. race. Also, a Turanid element can leave a "Turanoid" etc., that means: similar to the Turanid race, stamp on an individual of a different race.

In the mentioned cases there is a physical similarity because of genetic connection assumed, namely the partial sharing of a common pre-parental genetic heritage. But cases occur where a form similarity is not determined by racial relationship, but because of convergence, mutations or development stage. Then, race-historically meaningless form similarities can result. That applies for a form development such as the epicanthus at young Europids. The epicanthus is not a question of Mongolid or Mongoloid form development, because there is no racial element, but only a Mongoliform characteristic. So as we here use the ending -iform (following Gusinde) as designation of a form similarity which we constate as such and without connection with its reason, we will use the suffix -(i)morphic (following Stratz) as characterization of the belonging to a morphological development stratum. For example there occur not seldom in older geological epochs and different withdraw areas of the Earth primitive form developments which we know today especially from the Australids. Therefore in these cases it is to be spoken of Australimorphic features, just as we speak quite generally of protomorphic, metamorphic and archimorphic development stages of mankind. So we gain the followng terminological clarification:

It will be used for the adjectival characterization of :

1. physical form groups (race circles, races, sub-races and local forms) and more-less racial pure individuals the suffix -id,

2. race mixtures with the predominance of a certain race or alien characteristics at a single individual the ending -oid,

3. members of similar development strata the ending -imorphic,

4. form similarity as such, which seems to be based neither on racial relationship nor on the same development stage, the ending -iform,

5. linguistical or cultural groups and communities (in German) the suffix -isch.

So in a racial sense, Nordic and Nordid means basically the same, but Nordid is preferable because its a clear term, used for a specific racial type and its variants, not that easy to confuse.

Like Alpinid, since in the Alps live a lot of people, not all of them are Alpinid obviously, some might confuse that if just using "Alpine", but there can be little doubts about "Alpinid".

[Eins Zwei Polizei]

Here I quote Nordgau in one of his great posts, a translation of v. Eickstedt, from Skadi:

Was it you or Nordgau translating from Eickstedt? I found the post here (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?p=706#post706) with credits to yours.

[Agrippa]

Was it you or Nordgau translating from Eickstedt? I found the post here (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?p=706#post706) with credits to yours.

It was Nordgau who translated it and posted it originally. Its being said there as well in the sentence above, "first posted...", dont know why its wrong below.

But what matters most is that it was translated and is an important piece for understanding the basics of the suffix system.

[Eins Zwei Polizei]

It was Nordgau who translated it and posted it originally. Its being said there as well in the sentence above, "first posted...", dont know why its wrong below.

But what matters most is that it was translated and is an important piece for understanding the basics of the suffix system.

I knew it was posted by Nordgau, but reading below I had caught the idea it had been your work. It has become quite a classic on the subject.

[The Ripper]

And what about Russian Karelia and Kola peninsula?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/East_and_West_Karelias.png/451px-East_and_West_Karelias.png

Russians don't belong to the cultural definition of Norden. Were those areas still populated by Karelians and Finns, and if they belonged to Finland, it would be different.

[Jarl]

Nordic countries:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Location_Nordic_Council.svg/713px-Location_Nordic_Council.svg.png(Greenland should not be included imo.)

Nordic People:
Norwegians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegians)
Swedes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes)
Danes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danes)
Icelanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_people)
Faroese people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_people)


Nordid is a phenotype ,ex: a large portion of Norwegians for example are not Nordid but they are Nordic people.


Most definitely. I will only add that Nordic, Nordique and Nordid have been used interchangebly in typological systems and define pretty much the same Northern European blonde phenotype.

[SilverFish]

I wonder what's the difference between a pale pigmentation and a sunny beach pigmentation? Which of the two is the nordid's pigmentation?

Like this Scandinavian here:
http://www.helmethairblog.com/wp-content/uploads/scandinavian-custom-show-babe-01.jpg

My cousin has this kind of pigmentation even she doesn't tan in the summer. My brother also has hints of this skin tone.

[Pallantides]

It's called a spray-tan. :p
http://www.jalee.biz/web_images/spray-tanning.jpg

[SilverFish]

It's called a spray-tan. :p
http://www.jalee.biz/web_images/spray-tanning.jpg
Then how come my cousin who is like 9 has that skin pigmentation?

[Nordish Persephone]

Then how come my cousin who is like 9 has that skin pigmentation?

I guess she's not really Nordid. Probably some sort of alpine. I definitely don't think you can possibly be a nordid if you don't have fair skin.

[SilverFish]

I guess she's not Nordic. I definitely don't think you can possibly be a nordic if you don't have fair skin.

That kind of pigmentation is strictly a Nordish pigmentation. It doesn't have to be pale.

Can someone show pale blonde that being pale is not the only nordish pigmentation? I know she is wrong.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Russians don't belong to the cultural definition of Norden. Were those areas still populated by Karelians and Finns, and if they belonged to Finland, it would be different.

Those regions have always felt weird to me. It's like those regions should be a part of Finland but isn't. Some parts of Karelia were annexed by the Soviets after the Winter War and that was mostly West Karelia, wasn't it?

[Nordish Persephone]

That kind of pigmentation is strictly a Nordish pigmentation. It doesn't have to be pale.

Not IMO. There are also alpine races in Scandinavia. Just because someone is a native Scandinavian doesn't mean they're completely Nordid.

[Pallantides]

I guess she's not Nordic. I definitely don't think you can possibly be a nordic if you don't have fair skin.

Yes you can, lots of Nordic people have tanned skin.

[SilverFish]

Not IMO. There are also alpine races in Scandinavia. Just because someone is a native Scandinavian doesn't mean they're a nordid race.

:rolleyes2: Wow, pale blonde. PM incoming really fast. BTW, take a look at this girl.

Miss Icelandic:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x31/misscontest/miss_universe_2008/Miss_Iceland_07_Johanna_Vala.jpg

And this one:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/2065869441_45d96944af.jpg?v=0

There are no alpine subraces in Scandinavia.

[Nordish Persephone]

Yes you can, lots of Nordic people have tanned skin.

But its not specifically a Nordid racial trait. I'm not saying a person who classifies as Nordid can't have tanned skin, just saying that tanned skin isn't typically a Nordid trait.

[Pallantides]

There are no alpine subraces in Scandinavia.

...rofl, many of Norway's past prime ministers have been Alpine types or atleast with Alpine influence .
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Gunnar_Knudsen.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Jens_Bratlie.jpg/180px-Jens_Bratlie.jpghttp://www.besteforeldre.no/images/JN.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Georg_Francis_Hagerup.jpg

[Nordish Persephone]

:rolleyes2: Wow, pale blonde. PM incoming really fast. BTW, take a look at this girl.

Miss Icelandic:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x31/misscontest/miss_universe_2008/Miss_Iceland_07_Johanna_Vala.jpg

And this one:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/2065869441_45d96944af.jpg?v=0

There are no alpine subraces in Scandinavia.

You are actually very wrong about that lol. I can't wait till someone who actually knows something about European subraces gets on here and corrects you.

[Jarl]

I guess she's not really Nordid. Probably some sort of alpine. I definitely don't think you can possibly be a nordid if you don't have fair skin.

It would be good if you read "On Nordic types..." thread. Historically speaking Nordids/Nordics were not just of the fairest, white-pinkish skin type. Although it depends on the typological system. At least I don't think in most of them tanning was considered a trait which would make an otherwise Nordic person, un-Nordic. In fact, pale skin is more common in the cloudy British Isles, where it often comes together with rufosity, than in Nordic countries of Scandinavia.

[esaima]

In fact, pale skin is more common in the cloudy British Isles, where it often comes together with rufosity, than in Nordic countries of Scandinavia.
Are there more red-heads in UK than in Scandinavia?

[Äike]

Nordic countries:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Location_Nordic_Council.svg/713px-Location_Nordic_Council.svg.png(Greenland should not be included imo.)

Nordic People:
Norwegians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegians)
Swedes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes)
Danes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danes)
Icelanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_people)
Faroese people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_people)


Nordid is a phenotype ,ex: a large portion of Norwegians for example are not Nordid but they are Nordic people.

History can be surprising. 70 years ago, Estonia was considered a Nordic country like Norway or Denmark. Because... Estonia was(and is) a Nordic country. I have 1 Estonian kroon (http://www.muenzauktion.com/mehlhausen/pic/1_kroon_schiff.jpg)(even the money is similar to the other Nordic countries by name and exchange rates) from 1934, my great-grandmother gave it to me when I was a small boy. It has a Viking ship on one side and the Estonian coat of arms on the other side. 50 years of recent history is capable of making people forget 1500 years of older history. For example: If Finland would have lost the Winter War, got annexed by the USSR and gained re independence in 1991. Then Finland wouldn't be considered a Nordic country today. It really doesn't matter that Finns would still have thought of themselves as Nordic people(just like Estonians do today).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNszZ66ifE

[Äike]

Are there more red-heads in UK than in Scandinavia?

Yes, especially the more Celtic areas(Ireland).

[Bridie]

Yes, especially the more Celtic areas(Ireland).
Interestingly...

http://anthro.palomar.edu/vary/images/map_of_red_hair_in_England.gif

[Poltergeist]

What is the difference between Nordics and Nordids?

One letter.

[Agrippa]

Most Nordid people can tan significantly and like so often, its rather a "from this to that" category, like with many other traits as well. And nobody with a clear mind would limit proper Nordid to those who can't tan.

Actually red hair and very fair skin with the unability to tan is probably both much more common among certain Cromagnoid variants, than among proper Nordid either of the Skandonordid or Eastnordid variety.

If you look at any sample of a Nordid group in holidays, most being tanned and a certain "golden tan" is even more typical for the Nordid type.

As for the Alpinoid, the exist in significant numbers in Scandinavia, both as an autochthonous element, particularly in South Western Norway, and through already older immigration of Walloons and Germans, especially in Sweden.

[kwp_wp]

You are actually very wrong about that lol. I can't wait till someone who actually knows something about European subraces gets on here and corrects you.

You don't have to wait anymore...Agrippa explained it thoroughly;)

[SilverFish]

If you look at any sample of a Nordid group in holidays, most being tanned and a certain "golden tan" is even more typical for the Nordid type.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The golden tan. I've seen golden tans in baltid people as well. What do you think about that? But usually the golden tans are frequent in faelid, nordids, and baltid people.

[Nordish Persephone]

Most Nordid people can tan significantly and like so often, its rather a "from this to that" category, like with many other traits as well. And nobody with a clear mind would limit proper Nordid to those who can't tan.

Actually red hair and very fair skin with the unability to tan is probably both much more common among certain Cromagnoid variants, than among proper Nordid either of the Skandonordid or Eastnordid variety.

If you look at any sample of a Nordid group in holidays, most being tanned and a certain "golden tan" is even more typical for the Nordid type.

As for the Alpinoid, the exist in significant numbers in Scandinavia, both as an autochthonous element, particularly in South Western Norway, and through already older immigration of Walloons and Germans, especially in Sweden.

What about Nicole Kidman? Is she cromagnid because she is pale?

[Agrippa]

What about Nicole Kidman? Is she cromagnid because she is pale?

Even if we would assume, that Nordids proper came to Scandinavia just in the Neolithic times or even afterwards, this would still mean they live there together, side by side, for thousands of years, so like it is with other such populations and situations, they mixed up on a large scale.

Like I dont consider a darker haired Nordid to be really "non-Nordid", just because of this trait, I dont consider a red haired Nordid to be "non-Nordid" because of this trait. Its in the range of modern Nordids, just less typical than normal light blond to light brown hair, which is just the most common and most typical condition.

And there are very pale Nordid people around, which I consider fully or extremely typical, but those with the inability to tan are not and with quite a high certainty were never more common among Nordid populations anywhere than those which tan to the golden shade. Otherwise Nordid proper would have had a much to big problem with UV rays.

I thought about it recently, after seeing how important the Vitamin D case really is for Northern Europe, since not even the lightest variants are secure from Vitamin D deficiencies (!) in the Winter months and more natural living conditions (without artificial additions of Vit. D to the food nor access to Vit. D rich diet, but a significant time outside of shelters) and think now that both the extremely pale and darker variants in otherwise pure groups can be seen as some sort of normal distribution, with the intermediate forms being the optimum, the extreme ones just present because of rare recombinations, unless its recent immigration. Because both extremes show weaknesses and strengths, but overall more weaknesses, than the normal ("Nordic") light skin type with an acceptable to good ability to tan, for most of Skandinavia if looking at the whole year.

As for Kidman, she has a Cromagnoid part, that is evident for more than one reason, so its not just heir reddish tone. She is not the most light skinned variant by the way, I've seen lighter ones, even in my area from time to time.

[Äike]

Most Nordid people can tan significantly and like so often, its rather a "from this to that" category, like with many other traits as well. And nobody with a clear mind would limit proper Nordid to those who can't tan.

Actually red hair and very fair skin with the unability to tan is probably both much more common among certain Cromagnoid variants, than among proper Nordid either of the Skandonordid or Eastnordid variety.

If you look at any sample of a Nordid group in holidays, most being tanned and a certain "golden tan" is even more typical for the Nordid type.

You have a point. My mother is very pale and has freckles, she goes red in the summer and can't tan. She's mostly West-Baltid, thus Cro-Magnon. While my father is also pale, but in the summer he gets that "golden tan" which is typical for Scandinavians. When he was in the Soviet army, he was stationed in Southern-Ukraine and I have seen pics of him there. He was very dark compared to the Russian crowd around him, although he has light blond hair and blue eyes. My father is mostly Nordid.

[Bridie]

As for Kidman, she has a Cromagnoid part, that is evident for more than one reason, so its not just heir reddish tone. She is not the most light skinned variant by the way, I've seen lighter ones, even in my area from time to time.:eek: I don't think skin gets any lighter than Nicole Kidman's. :p She doesn't tan at all.


http://www.parade.com/images/-v2/celebrity/slideshows/nicole-kidman/nicole-kidman-07.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/oscars/72nd_academy_awards_photos/_group_photos/nicole_kidman5.jpg

[Agrippa]

Well, she's still not "Albino like" enough and I guess there are people which can't stand the sun without a burn in a shorter period of time - without being real Albinos of course. An actress of the sort I have in mind would have looked differently in Dead Calm I guess. She got reddish, but tanned a little bit it seems.

But yes, she's quite extreme already.

[Nordish Persephone]

Is a pinkish tan Scandinavian? I always thought a pinkish looking tan was common among Scandinavians and Nordids but maybe I'm wrong. I have porcelain skin with strong pink undertones and when I go out in the sun repeatedly it starts to look very pinkish. Not really sunburned, but the pink undertones are just more pronounced.

Edit: I definitely don't actually tan orange, by pinkish I meant the color of pepto bismol.

[Loki]

Is a pinkish tan Scandinavian?

Maybe in individual cases, but as far as I know Scandinavians are able to tan a deep golden brown. The pinkish tan is more common among people of the British Isles.

[Grumpy Cat]

I'm half Nordid and I tan a golden brown, and don't burn.

[Pallantides]

Loki is right, some Scandinavians also get reddish/orange tans.

[Grumpy Cat]

Loki is right, some Scandinavians also get reddish/orange tans.

My sister tans orange. She is also a mix like me (obviously).

[Vulpix]

Maybe in individual cases, but as far as I know Scandinavians are able to tan a deep golden brown.

Exhibit A :p:

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+14+Athletics+Zoqsct62Ba2l.jpg

B:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_yNC347br1fM/RozHj-OPYxI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/EI5Ho4_0lxc/Kajsa%20bergqvist%20%26%20carolina%20kluft.JPG

^Not at their possible darkest I bet.

[Guapo]

I usually notice the Germanics having a golden tan while teh Brits look like lobsters when on vacation.

[Bridie]

I usually notice the Germanics having a golden tan while teh Brits look like lobsters when on vacation.One of the reasons I like to stay out of the sun. :D

Funny thing, I've noticed that a lot of Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh people can tan quite well on their bodies, but not so much on their faces. I fall into this category too. An Irish friend told me a few years ago, "never try to tan on your face because it will just burn. Only tan on your body." :p He was speaking from personal experience since he was reasonably tanned all over except his face, which always tends to be quite reddish from the sun damage (he works outdoors and so can't avoid the sun). Strange how we think that what is common in ourselves and those we see in our communities is a universal thing sometimes. I've since come to realise that this phenomenon must be a British Isles thing, since I've seen many continentals who tan on their faces (without freckling!) just as deeply as they do on their bodies...

[Agrippa]

Interestingly, something similar was said about Osteuropids in a work, that their face stays lighter than the body more often than in other racial forms...

Its at least possible as some sort of individual variation and in some individuals noticeable.

[Jarl]

Interestingly, something similar was said about Osteuropids in a work, that their face stays lighter than the body more often than in other racial forms...

Its at least possible as some sort of individual variation and in some individuals noticeable.

Thats quite interesting! Where did you read about it? Im a good example of this rule. Tan on my legs or chest stays much longer than on my face. Perhaps its because I shave regularly? :P

[Agrippa]

It was an author of the Breslauer School, I think Schwidetzky, but probably I find it...

[Nordish Persephone]

I just don't know if I'm buying this though. It seems all of the Scandinavians I've seen don't tan like that. I remember a girl at my school named Rebekah who looked very Swedish, had completely platinum hair, blue eyes, and had pale pale skin (a bit paler than mine actually) and she didn't tan a bit she always stayed the same. She was out in the sun too, she was on the track team. People would always ask me if we were cousins and in kindergarten the teachers got us mixed up. We had the same height, same facial features, and same body language.

[Pallantides]

Many Scandinavians do tan... maybe I should post some of my vacation photos. :p

[Nordish Persephone]

Many Scandinavians do tan... maybe I should post some of my vacation photos. :p

All I'm saying is, tanning like that may be a Scandinavian trait but its not necessarily a Nordid one. :coffee:

[Kadu]

All I'm saying is, tanning like that may be a Scandinavian trait but its not necessarily a Nordid one. :coffee:

Yes, not all individuals who fit that phenotype tan well, however every physical anthropologist from the early twentieth century stated Scandinavia and namely Sweden as having the most Nordid population in Europe and therefore because of this, the Nordid Scandinavian type was considered as the benchmark of this type.

[Loki]

All I'm saying is, tanning like that may be a Scandinavian trait but its not necessarily a Nordid one. :coffee:

No, the ability to tan seems to be a Nordid one, since the Nordic race is the most strongly represented in Scandinavia. All Swedes I have met (and I've met quite a few) were able to tan golden in the sun.

[Loki]

One of the reasons I like to stay out of the sun. :D

Funny thing, I've noticed that a lot of Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh people can tan quite well on their bodies, but not so much on their faces. I fall into this category too. An Irish friend told me a few years ago, "never try to tan on your face because it will just burn. Only tan on your body." :p He was speaking from personal experience since he was reasonably tanned all over except his face, which always tends to be quite reddish from the sun damage (he works outdoors and so can't avoid the sun). Strange how we think that what is common in ourselves and those we see in our communities is a universal thing sometimes. I've since come to realise that this phenomenon must be a British Isles thing, since I've seen many continentals who tan on their faces (without freckling!) just as deeply as they do on their bodies...

Strangely, with me it seems to be the opposite. Areas of my body that have been constantly exposed to the sun over the years (i.e. face, neck and forearms) are better able to retain any sort of tan. The rest of my body, especially chest, tummy and back, can't retain a tan at all. It won't even get brown. Only very red, then I start peeling the next day.

[SilverFish]

Like I have said before, all Scandinavians including Nordids can tan easily. They just don't have a lot of sun in the Northern hemisphere but once they do, they tan really good and differently too. It's like a golden tan or something like that.

[Nordish Persephone]

Like I have said before, all Scandinavians including Nordids can tan easily. They just don't have a lot of sun in the Northern hemisphere but once they do, they tan really good and differently too. It's like a golden tan or something like that.

Believe me you don't need to repeat yourself. All I'm saying is I don't believe it because all of the ones I've seen here don't tan but you can think whatever you want.

[Grumpy Cat]

People of Celtic origin seem to burn more, while folks of Nordic origin tan. Generally speaking.

I tan quite dark in the summer but I am pretty pale in the winter.

[Loki]

Believe me you don't need to repeat yourself. All I'm saying is I don't believe it because all of the ones I've seen here don't tan but you can think whatever you want.

How many Scandinavians are there where you are living?

[SilverFish]

From my experience, the only Europids who can't tan are the Samis.

[Falkata]

People of Celtic origin seem to burn more, while folks of Nordic origin tan. Generally speaking.

I tan quite dark in the summer but I am pretty pale in the winter.

I agree, freckles and pinky skin are also more common in the british isles than in Scandinavia . I use to see more "lobsters" types during summer between the brit tourists than between the swedish and other northerns.
And I think my skin is similar to yours too :p

[Grumpy Cat]

I agree, freckles and pinky skin are also more common in the british isles than in Scandinavia . I use to see more "lobsters" types during summer between the brit tourists than between the swedish and other northerns.
And I think my skin is similar to yours too :p

Well, my friends of British Isles descent can't spend an hour on the beach. Me, I can be there for 8 hours and no burn. It's great. I'm a Nordid/Mediterranean mix.

To note though, I'm not one of those girls who intentionally bakes in the sun to tan, tanning is merely a result of the fact that I enjoy outdoor activities in the summer.

[Pallantides]

From my experience, the only Europids who can't tan are the Samis.

The Sámi can tan like all other Europids, again it's different on an indvidual basis, but there is much variation among the Sámi.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Saami/samer7.png

[Nordish Persephone]

From my experience, the only Europids who can't tan are the Samis.

Hah, you must have a limited experience if thats what you think. No offense but thats just silly.

There are a couple of people in my school who I can easily see have signifigant Nordid ancestry maybe like 20 people (including myself) and there is also an obviously Nordid guy that comes in the store in the summer and he didn't have a golden tan. I'm not saying some sun doesn't show up on their skin, that would be abnormal. They just don't tan the way most people do.

[SilverFish]

Hah, you must have a limited experience if thats what you think. No offense but thats just silly.

There are a couple of people in my school who I can easily see have signifigant Nordid ancestry maybe like 20 people (including myself) and there is also an obviously Nordid guy that comes in the store in the summer and he didn't have a golden tan. I'm not saying some sun doesn't show up on their skin, that would be abnormal. They just don't tan the way most people do.
You must have a limited experience as well Pale Blonde.


From my experience and I am not kidding this time, the one subrace who can't tan at all would be the east baltid people. They look very unattractive with their very pale skin.

[Psychonaut]

From my experience, the only Europids who can't tan are the Samis.

You make the most bizarre pronouncements. :confused:

[Nordish Persephone]

You must have a limited experience as well Pale Blonde.


From my experience and I am not kidding this time, the one subrace who can't tan at all would be the east baltid people. They look very unattractive with their very pale skin.

pfft lol. East baltids are not Saami first thing. I don't care if you are not kidding because you aren't correct. Just keep telling yourself that, you are a legend in your own mind. Also, you seem to have an inability to stay on subject most of the time. Its annoying how you always have to change the subject to something else, like how attractive something is.

[Falkata]

I think part of their attractiveness is their golden tan :p

http://swedenson.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/swedish_girl.jpg
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/585716_f520.jpg
http://www.allnationgirls.com/swedish_girls/images/football-girl-sweden.jpg

[SilverFish]

Take a look at all of the Finnish people from Helsinki.

http://www.hel-looks.com/?p=image/archives/15/20090815_03/


pfft lol. East baltids are not Saami first thing. I don't care if you are not kidding because you aren't correct. Just keep telling yourself that, you are a legend in your own mind. Also, you seem to have an inability to stay on subject most of the time. Its annoying how you always have to change the subject to something else, like how attractive something is.
East Baltids are half sami, half baltid. Why would you think they call them East Baltids instead of just Baltids?

[Psychonaut]

East Baltids are half sami, half baltid. Why would you think they call them East Baltids instead of just Baltids?

There's no way you're actually serious, are you? You've got to be trolling...

[Loki]

Take a look at all of the Finnish people from Helsinki.

http://www.hel-looks.com/?p=image/archives/15/20090815_03/

Their dress sense sucks!! :p

[Nordish Persephone]

Take a look at all of the Finnish people from Helsinki.

http://www.hel-looks.com/?p=image/archives/15/20090815_03/

What's your point? They don't look that light. :confused:

[SilverFish]

There's no way you're actually serious, are you? You've got to be trolling...

Let's see, flat face and upturned eyes with epicanthus fold. Where would you think they got that from? East Asians who immigrated in the 1900's? Pftt...

[Psychonaut]

Let's see, flat face and upturned eyes with epicanthus fold. Where would you think they got that from? East Asians who immigrated in the 1900's? Pftt...

A simple investigation of migratory history will show you just how absurd of a supposition this is.

[SilverFish]

What's your point? They don't look that light. :confused:

East Baltids has the lightest pigmentation in all of Europe. Nordids are the second in light pigmentation. If you disagree with me on this, I will no longer think you're credible even though you are lacking it in it anyway.


A simple investigation of migratory history will show you just how absurd of a supposition this is.

They got it from the Sami. That was what I was trying to prove.

[Psychonaut]

East Baltids has the lightest pigmentation in all of Europe. Nordids are the second in light pigmentation. If you disagree with me on this, I will no longer think you're credible even though you are lacking it in it anyway.

Again...

You can't be serious. You're trolling too hard for anyone to believe this is simple ignorance.

[Nordish Persephone]

East Baltids has the lightest pigmentation in all of Europe. Nordids are the second in light pigmentation. If you disagree with me on this, I will no longer think you're credible even though you are lacking it in it anyway.

I wasn't saying that you idiot, I was saying the people in the picture don't look light. You didn't post a good example.

[SilverFish]

Again...

You can't be serious. You're trolling too hard for anyone to believe this is simple ignorance.

Let's see.

The highest rate of blond hair is in where? Finland and Latvia. Mostly baltid and east baltid people.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wNnxpE79lMQ/SjWSI-U4P4I/AAAAAAAAAcg/Qbuh4q_uagc/s400/Hair_color_map_europe.PNG

The highest rate of blue eyes? NorthEastern Europe. Where the baltid and east baltid people are.

http://westernparadigm.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/blue_eyes_map2.jpg


Are you trolling?

[SilverFish]

I wasn't saying that you idiot, I was saying the people in the picture don't look light. You didn't post a good example.

Because there were some real Asian people in there modeling for some reason. They are not exactly good representation of East Baltid people. :rolleyes:

[Nordish Persephone]

Let's see.

The highest rate of blond hair is in where? Finland and Latvia. Mostly baltid and east baltid people.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wNnxpE79lMQ/SjWSI-U4P4I/AAAAAAAAAcg/Qbuh4q_uagc/s400/Hair_color_map_europe.PNG

The highest rate of blue eyes? NorthEastern Europe. Where the baltid and east baltid people are.

http://westernparadigm.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/blue_eyes_map2.jpg


Are you trolling?

So what are you trying to say anyway? That people are Saami because they have light pigmentation? Sorry you are just silly.

[Psychonaut]

Whatever, dude. Have fun playing your game. I no longer believe you're a genuine poster.


Let's see.

The highest rate of blond hair is in where? Finland and Latvia. Mostly baltid and east baltid people.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wNnxpE79lMQ/SjWSI-U4P4I/AAAAAAAAAcg/Qbuh4q_uagc/s400/Hair_color_map_europe.PNG

The highest rate of blue eyes? NorthEastern Europe. Where the baltid and east baltid people are.

http://westernparadigm.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/blue_eyes_map2.jpg


Are you trolling?

[SilverFish]

So what are you trying to say anyway? That people are Saami because they have light pigmentation? Sorry you are just silly.

No you idiot. They are sami because of their facial features.

I was trying to prove that light pigmentation isn't a nordid trait. You think that being pale and can't tan is being Nordid. :rolleyes:

Having golden tan is Scandinavian. I guess you don't have it so I guess you're not Scandinavian. ;)

[Grumpy Cat]

My father was very Nordid and tanned dark. Also not overly pale. Stop thinking in stereotypes.

[Nordish Persephone]

I was trying to prove that light pigmentation isn't a nordid trait. You think that being pale and can't tan is being Nordid. :rolleyes:


ROFL! No comment. :cool:

[SilverFish]

My father was very Nordid and tanned dark. Also not overly pale. Stop thinking in stereotypes.

He's not Nordid then. You need to study more classifications. He can tan but it needs to be golden tan.


I was trying to prove that light pigmentation isn't a nordid trait. You think that being pale and can't tan is being Nordid. :rolleyes:


ROFL! No comment. :cool:

ROFL! Beat you. :cool:

[Jägerstaffel]

I can get a great tan.

[Nordish Persephone]

He's not Nordid then. You need to study more classifications. He can tan but it needs to be golden tan.

Everyone must agree with Silverfish because he is a genius. Everything he says about classification is correct.


I can get a great tan.

Good for you. :)

[SilverFish]

Everyone must agree with Silverfish because he is a genius. Everything he says about classification is correct.

Uh oh, someone is jealous.

[Psychonaut]

I can get a great tan.

That's because you're Sámi. Everyone knows the Sámi get the best tans in all of Europe.

[Jägerstaffel]

That's because you're Sámi. Everyone knows the Sámi get the best tans in all of Europe.

Oh yeah, I forgot. I thought it was the Afro-American blood.

[SilverFish]

That's because you're Sámi. Everyone knows the Sámi get the best tans in all of Europe.

No they dont'.

[Psychonaut]

Oh yeah, I forgot. I thought it was the Afro-American blood.

Oh yeah! I forgot, Afro-Sámi get that awesome golden tan and are the most Nordid type of Europoid!

[Jägerstaffel]

No they dont'.

I know you are but what am I?

[Loki]

@ SilverFish and pale blonde: Please keep the trollings/flirtings to private messaging. The rest of us don't want to read it. Thanks.

[SilverFish]

I know you are but what am I?

I am confused?

[Stefan]

flirtings

:D :thumb001::thumb001:

Anyway this thread has turned away from some nice discussion to something weird. :confused:

[Pallantides]

Oh yeah! I forgot, Afro-Sámi get that awesome golden tan and are the most Nordid type of Europoid!

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4349/fd0848.jpg

[Nordish Persephone]

@ SilverFish and pale blonde: Please keep the trollings/flirtings to private messaging. The rest of us don't want to read it. Thanks.

Sorry but I am not the one trolling here. I am definitely not flirting lol. I was simply expressing my point of view because I think the point of view he is expressing is not correct.

[SilverFish]

UBER ARYAN!!! Pale pigmentation and blonde hair!

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/tipumagyar.jpg

[Nordish Persephone]

UBER ARYAN!!! Pale pigmentation and blonde hair!

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/tipumagyar.jpg

That girl you posted is not aryan. Here is a pale blonde aryan. :)

3948

[Pallantides]

Didn't Loki tell you two to stop trolling and flirting in this thread? :p

[SilverFish]

That girl you posted is not aryan. Here is a pale blonde aryan. :)

3948

I KNOW. I WAS JOKING. I WAS TRYING TO PROVE TO YOU THAT LIGHT PIGMENTATION AND NOT BEING ABLE TO TAN IS NOT JUST NORDID.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[jerney]

I remember a girl at my school named Rebekah who looked very Swedish, had completely platinum hair, blue eyes, and had pale pale skin (a bit paler than mine actually)

Just a question, but have you ever been to Sweden? (and if she looked like you I wouldn't say that qualifies her as looking "very Swedish" looking because I would say you have some very eastern traits.)

[Nordish Persephone]

I never said she looked exactly like me, but in a way she looks related. She definitely didn't look Eastern. If you saw her picture next to mine, you would see a definite resemblance, but not quite the same in any way. I have a lot of Scandinavian not just "Eastern" whatever that means, so it makes sense. Btw, what "Eastern traits" do you think I have exactly? Explain what you mean.

[jerney]

asians get a golden tan

umm.. I don't even know how to respond to that. :confused:

Are you saying a good number of Germanics are Asian then?


I never said she looked exactly like me, but in a way she looks related. She definitely didn't look Eastern. If you saw her picture next to mine, you would see a definite resemblance, but not quite the same in any way. I have a lot of Scandinavian not just "Eastern" whatever that means, so it makes sense. Btw, what "Eastern traits" do you think I have exactly? Explain what you mean.

Well your eyes and cheekbones for one. I have high, prominent cheekbones too actually, but yours strike me as somewhat "exotic" for Germanic standards. It might be your cheekbones coupled with your eyes that make for a bit of an interesting appearance.

[Nordish Persephone]

umm.. I don't even know how to respond to that. :confused:

Are you saying a good number of Germanics are Asian then?



Well your eyes and cheekbones for one. I have high, prominent cheekbones too actually, but yours strike me as somewhat "exotic" for Germanic standards

I didn't mean to post that, it was a joke. I was trying to make a funny tag. Explain what you mean by "exotic." Specify. I'm not all Germanic anyway, so its probably those genes kicking in. I have Celtic, Slavic, and French genes also.

[jerney]

I didn't mean to post that, it was a joke. I was trying to make a funny tag. Explain what you mean by "exotic." Specify.

I don't know how to explain any further..? You have a combination of traits (I'd say eyes and cheekbones) which I find to be uncommon in certain parts of Europe. These traits are more commonly found in Eastern Europe, though not to say you never find them among Germanics, but because you don't often, they are therefore considered "exotic" in these places..

[Nordish Persephone]

I don't know how to explain any further..? You have a combination of traits (I'd say eyes and cheekbones) which I find to be uncommon in certain parts of Europe. These traits are more commonly found in Eastern Europe, though not to say you never find them among Germanics, but because you don't often, they are therefore considered "exotic" in these places..

Well of course if thats what you mean. I'd definitely say I have a mix of traits, but they are not non-European. If you look closely you can see a resemblance if you compare it to another person who is a good example. Its just those other traits that throw you off. :)

[jerney]

Well of course if thats what you mean. I'd definitely say I have a mix of traits, but they are not non-European. If you look closely you can see a resemblance if you compare it to another person who is a good example. Its just those other traits that throw you off. :)

I definitely think there is some sort of East Baltid or Lappid influence, but regardless of what ever sort of minor Asiatic thing you have going on, you're still within the range of "normal" European phenotypes

[Nordish Persephone]

I definitely think there is some sort of East Baltid or Lappid influence, but regardless of what ever sort of minor Asiatic thing you have going on, you're still within the range of "normal" European phenotypes

"minor asiatic thing" lol. You must be kidding. Not all East baltids are asiatic anyway. Of course some are but not all have asiatic influence. I definitely do not agree with you, I see pure Europeans with high cheekbones and eyes like mine all the time. They just aren't "Germanic." btw, if you check out my classification thread you will find that my eyes are quite nordic looking when compared with a nordic Scandinavian guy's from Norway.

[jerney]

"minor asiatic thing" lol. You must be kidding. Not all East baltids are asiatic anyway. Of course some are but not all have asiatic influence. I definitely do not agree with you, I see pure Europeans with high cheekbones and eyes like mine all the time. They just aren't "Germanic." btw, if you check out my classification thread you will find that my eyes are quite nordic looking when compared with a nordic Scandinavian guy's from Norway.

:confused: I'm not kidding, and you shouldn't be offended anyway, there are plenty of Europeans who look slightly mongoloid influenced and it doesn't make them any less European. There is nothing wrong with not being a perfect Nordid specimen.

[Nordish Persephone]

:confused: I'm not kidding, and you shouldn't be offended anyway, there are plenty of Europeans who look slightly mongoloid influenced and it doesn't make them any less European. There is nothing wrong with not being a perfect Nordid specimen.

I'm not offended, I just think its ridiculous. Plenty of people would disagree with you.

[jerney]

I'm not offended, I just think its ridiculous. Plenty of people would disagree with you.

And plenty of people would disagree with you, but I still don't see how it's "ridiculous"? Several other people have said you showed some Lappid or East Baltid traits

[Nordish Persephone]

And plenty of people would disagree with you, but I still don't see how it's "ridiculous"? Several other people have said you showed some Lappid or East Baltid traits

Several did not say lappid, only one. There were a few who said East baltid, but they are not always asiatic anyway. There is also another thread on Stormfront.org where many people classified me and none of them said "lappid".

[jerney]

Several did not say lappid, only one. There were a few who said East baltid, but they are not always asiatic anyway. There is also another thread on Stormfront.org where many people classified me and none of them said "lappid".

I haven't read up on classification in a long time, but if I recall correctly East Baltids are an intermediate between Asia and Europe. So basically, slightly chinky Europeans. But again, nothing wrong with that.

I won't comment on the Stormfront thing.

[Nordish Persephone]

I haven't read up on classification in a long time, but if I recall correctly East Baltids are an intermediate between Asia and Europe. So basically, slightly chinky Europeans. But again, nothing wrong with that.

I won't comment on the Stormfront thing.

What you say sounds a little contradictory because I'm sure any Asian person would be offended if you called them "chinky." But anyway, my understanding of east-baltid is that it is Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States. There are some "mongoloid" east baltid types like you are talking about but they are different.

[Bridie]

(and if she looked like you I wouldn't say that qualifies her as looking "very Swedish" looking because I would say you have some very eastern traits.)Many Swedes do have very Eastern traits. They're hardly Western European.

[Bridie]

What you say sounds a little contradictory because I'm sure any Asian person would be offended if you called them "chinky." But anyway, my understanding of east-baltid is that it is Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States. There are some "mongoloid" east baltid types like you are talking about but they are different."East" Baltids are supposedly an ancient mix of Lappid and other European types/type.

[Nordish Persephone]

Well this is the girl I was talking about. Does she look Eastern to you?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rebekah-Hencken/726289096

[jerney]

What you say sounds a little contradictory because I'm sure any Asian person would be offended if you called them "chinky." But anyway, my understanding of east-baltid is that it is Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States. There are some "mongoloid" east baltid types like you are talking about but they are different.

Asians shouldn't be offended for what they are.

Anyway, here's some info from SNPA


East Baltid

Etymology:

The lands to the east of the Baltic shore form the traditional home of this type. The name, coined by Rolf Nordenstreng, has been applied (by K. E. Schreiner, among others) to the totality of "blond brachycephals" (Baltid, Borreby) in northern Europe, and has also been used to indicate any largely depigmented population element showing Lappoid admixture, and sometimes even Lappoids proper.

Geographical distribution:

In essence, the East Baltid type forms an extension of the Lappoid variety into Europe

Lappid

Partially reduced, incipiently Mongoloid brachycephal of the eastern forests, seldom found in its true form, but constituting an important substrate in eastern Europe, Russia, and the Baltic nations (the East-Baltid type is a more or less stabilized blend of Baltid and Lappoid). The Lappoid type belongs to the larger Upper Paleolithic group, and is probably related to Europid Cro-Magnoids on one hand, and Mongolids on the other

[Bridie]

Well this is the girl I was talking about. Does she look Eastern to you?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rebekah-Hencken/726289096Yes.

[Nordish Persephone]

Asians shouldn't be offended for what they are.

Anyway, here's some info from SNPA

I was only saying that "chink" is a derogatory term and if you use that and don't want to offend an asian then that would be hipocritical.

Well there isn't really any proof that this information is accurate but on the other hand there is no proof that mine is either. We can all have our own opinions though. Anyway, most of the people who classified me said I was more on the west baltid side so I don't really take your opinion seriously.

[jerney]

I was only saying that "chink" is a derogatory term and if you use that and don't want to offend an asian then that would be hipocritical.

Well there isn't really any proof that this information is accurate but on the other hand there is no proof that mine is either. We can all have our own opinions though. Anyway, most of the people who classified me said I was more on the west baltid side so I don't really take your opinion seriously.

I never said I didn't want to offend an Asian, I just said being Asian isn't offensive.

And here's a little secret, if the males on a forum find a girl pretty they will classify her as what ever she wants to be, ;) (just ask the (very pretty) self-proclaimed "Greek" girl who got classified as southern European when in reality she was Indian and looked it)

[Nordish Persephone]

I never said I didn't want to offend and Asian, I just said being Asian isn't offensive.

And here's a little secret, if the males on a forum find a girl pretty they will classify her as what ever she wants to be, ;) (just ask the (very pretty) self-proclaimed "Greek" girl who got classified as southern European when in reality she was Indian and looked it)

I'm sorry you have such disdain for me, but that is just silly. :rolleyes: I could not possibly be compared to someone who is not European. Sorry to dissappoint you, but I am and look fully of European heritage.

[jerney]

I'm sorry you have such disdain for me, but that is just silly. :rolleyes: I could not possibly be compared to someone who is not European. Sorry to dissappoint you, but I am and look fully of European heritage.

I have no disdain for you?? And I was never comparing you to someone non-European, I was comparing the situation (that should have been pretty obvious..) and I'm sorry you equate someone not considering you a perfect Nordid to them having something against you, but that's just not the case. I never once said you looked non-European or had non-European heritage, in fact I said quite the opposite. Anyway, I'm pretty Nordid and believe me, it's not that special and it's not all it's cracked up to be ;) :thumbs up

[Nordish Persephone]

I have no disdain for you?? And I was never comparing you to someone non-European, I was comparing the situation (that should have been pretty obvious..) and I'm sorry you equate someone not considering you a perfect Nordid to them having something against you, but that's just not the case. I'm pretty Nordid and believe me, it's not that special and it's not all it's cracked up to be ;) :thumbs up

ok I misinterpreted that last post a little bit. I don't believe I'm a perfect nordid, I'm certainly mixed with quite a bit of alpine. I don't favor any of the European subraces over the other unless they are mixed with something non-European.

[Bridie]

I have no disdain for you?? And I was never comparing you to someone non-European, I was comparing the situation (that should have been pretty obvious..) and I'm sorry you equate someone not considering you a perfect Nordid to them having something against you, but that's just not the case. I never once said you looked non-European or had non-European heritage, in fact I said quite the opposite. Anyway, I'm pretty Nordid and believe me, it's not that special and it's not all it's cracked up to be ;) :thumbs upI thought you were classified as pred. Faelid? :p Well, that was ages ago on Skadi...

But I think you're totally right about males being blind when it comes to classifying females that they find attractive. On these forums they classify them as whatever they think they should find attractive, so as not to lose face or look/feel like hypocrites. :rolleyes:

[jerney]

I thought you were classified as pred. Faelid? :p Well, that was ages ago on Skadi...

But I think you're totally right about males being blind when it comes to classifying females that they find attractive. On these forums they classify them as whatever they think they should find attractive, so as not to lose face or look/feel like hypocrites. :rolleyes:

Yeah I thought so too, but on the last classification thread I did I posted a video and everyone kept saying Nordid over Faelid (maybe I'll repost it here)

[Sol Invictus]

I'd fuck pale anyday.

[Nordish Persephone]

I'd fuck pale anyday.

Interesting... You live in North Carolina? I'll have to make sure I watch out for you.

[Bridie]

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[Brynhild]

What might've been an interesting thread has, yet again, become crude and lowbrow, argumentative and completely baseless - after the first page anyway.

For those of you who could clarify the difference, cheers! :thumbs up To be honest, I didn't know the difference either, but I've never claimed to be an expert on such matters.

For the record, this Thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1438) has me classified as Keltic Nordid by just about everyone (it was the same at Skadi), and yet - surprise surprise - I'm olive skinned! I was probaby at my lightest when those pics were taken. During the summer months, I can go very dark and without having to bake myself all day. My father was undoubtedly a Med but from my maternal line my grandmother appeared to be rather dark also. She was a mix of English, Irish and Scottish.

I was in New Zealand just last year when this one was taken.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/brynhild64/New%20Zealand/InsidetheNewAgestoreinArrowtown.jpg

And that was my winter tan! Hardly pale there, am I?

So, there goes that theory.

[Tabiti]

I accept it that way:
Nordic - someone/something from North Europe/Scandinavia;
Nordid - an anthropological term;

I not sure about in my correctness here, but this is the way I use the both terms.

[Anthropos]

I accept it that way:
Nordic - someone/something from North Europe/Scandinavia;
Nordid - an anthropological term;

I not sure about in my correctness here, but this is the way I use the both terms.

Well that's quite simply false (and you are not the only one to have made the mistake). As forum member by the name 'Chap' has pointed out on occasion, Nordic is a more English-sounding variant of Nordid in anthropology, and Coon, who was a British American, used Nordic to denote what continental anthropologists called Nordid.

But for the sake of what you said, Tabiti, even if Nordic is sometimes used to say something about Norden, Scandinavia and Norden are not the same and they never were, despite the fact that Americans printed the error in their textbooks. Scandinavia is an ethnocultural-linguistic term whereas Norden is a geopolitical term, so they must not be confused. Also, the plans made for Norden by various politicians when the influence of the Northern nations was waning failed miserably. In a way one could say that it is most unfortunate that they did, but it's a fact and as such neither good nor bad.

[Jarl]

Scandinavia is an ethnocultural-linguistic term whereas Norden is a geopolitical term, so they must not be confused.

Scandinavia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia#Terminology_and_usage

Nordic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries

[Anthropos]

Scandinavia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia#Terminology_and_usage

Nordic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries

Scandinavia is an ethnocultural-linguistic term and Norden is a geopolitical term.

Jarl and wackopedia can fuck off.

[Nordish Persephone]

What might've been an interesting thread has, yet again, become crude and lowbrow, argumentative and completely baseless - after the first page anyway.

For those of you who could clarify the difference, cheers! :thumbs up To be honest, I didn't know the difference either, but I've never claimed to be an expert on such matters.

For the record, this Thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1438) has me classified as Keltic Nordid by just about everyone (it was the same at Skadi), and yet - surprise surprise - I'm olive skinned! I was probaby at my lightest when those pics were taken. During the summer months, I can go very dark and without having to bake myself all day. My father was undoubtedly a Med but from my maternal line my grandmother appeared to be rather dark also. She was a mix of English, Irish and Scottish.

I was in New Zealand just last year when this one was taken.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm30/brynhild64/New%20Zealand/InsidetheNewAgestoreinArrowtown.jpg

And that was my winter tan! Hardly pale there, am I?

So, there goes that theory.


Some people will disagree with me, but olive skin is probably not a nordid trait in my book. I can see fair skin that tans as being a nordid trait, but not olive its just such an untypical skin undertone of a nordid person. Your parents are probably both predominantly Mediteranean, you just somehow inherited some nordid looking facial features. Most every expert on Nordids would agree that they generally have some sort of fair skin, whether it tans or not. Just take a look at Nazi propoganda, did the ideal nordic have olive skin? I'm not saying it isn't possible to be olive skinned and nordid, but its just not the common. I would guess its pretty unlikely that you inherit that skintone from nordid ancestors, since so few nordid types I see have it.

[Baron Samedi]

OH.

MY.

FUCKING.

GOD.

If you fuckers studied Western Occultism as much as your fucking brat ON AND ON about this armchair anthropology shit, we would have been able to build our own Hogwarts by now!

This is silly! How many of you actually have any sort of anthropological background?

[Nordish Persephone]

OH.

MY.

FUCKING.

GOD.

If you fuckers studied Western Occultism as much as your fucking brat ON AND ON about this armchair anthropology shit, we would have been able to build our own Hogwarts by now!

This is silly! How many of you actually have any sort of anthropological background?


I don't see what your problem is, if you don't like this thread then don't post on it. Who is this "brat" you are talking about, I'm curious? An anthropological background? I'm only 17, where do you think I'm supposed to start learning about my interests? This has been a great start for me, so don't ruin it. If everyone was as hoity toity as you, no one would ever get anything important done.

[jerney]

I don't see what your problem is, if you don't like this thread then don't post on it. Who is this "brat" you are talking about, I'm curious? An anthropological background? I'm only 17, where do you think I'm supposed to start learning about my interests? This has been a great start for me, so don't ruin it. If everyone was as hoity toity as you, no one would ever get anything important done.

17?? I thought you were around the same age as me.

[Nordish Persephone]

17?? I thought you were around the same age as me.

Why would you think that? :confused:

[jerney]

Why would you think that? :confused:

You look older than 17? But it makes sense now that I think about it, you act very much like a teenager

[Nordish Persephone]

You look older than 17? But it makes sense now that I think about it, you act very much like a teenager

lol if I were 23 right now that would be pretty sad. Thats funny because most people always have the opposite reaction in person, they always think I'm a year or two younger than I am and won't believe me when I say I'm 17.

[jerney]

lol if I were 23 right now that would be pretty sad.

err.. why?

[Nordish Persephone]

err.. why?

Because I haven't gone to college, don't have very many interests, and don't really know much about the world yet. I'm still a hatchling basically.

[Bridie]

you act very much like a teenagerMost people on this forum do. :p

I don't know why you're being so nasty to Pale Blonde. :confused:

[jerney]

Most people on this forum do. :p

I don't know why you're being so nasty to Pale Blonde. :confused:

??

This is me being nice lol..

[Bridie]

??

This is me being nice lol..:D


Fair enough then.

[Murphy]

I thought it was common knowledge that Nordids/Nordics (from Scandinavia) are actually secretly Pakistanis whose true form comes to the fore in the sun. British Islanders are the true Nordids/Nordics, we go red.

[Andre Matheus]

Wow Nordic race! Hey, what's that?

[Curtis24]

There's no real difference. They both describe the same phenotype. "Nordic" was originally used by physical anthropoligists; however, there was a push to disassociate the use of geographic or cultural/linguistic terms to describe race, since different regions/cultural/linguistic groups tend to have many different kinds of races(for instance, the Slavic-speaking peoples include almost all of the major racial groupings of Europe). Hence, "Nordic"(a geographic term) becoming "nordid".

[poiuytrewq0987]

Wow this is one retarded thread.