Germanic Y-DNA distribution

[scottch]

Distribution of the 3 main Y-DNA halotypes that proto-germanic people belonged to


North Germanic

http://i.imgur.com/D0ROHyB.gif

Anglo-Saxon

http://i.imgur.com/yf3NdhV.gif

Hallstatt ?

http://i.imgur.com/i1mVp7Q.gif

[Artek]

That's much more complicated, because those haplogroups formed and spread before the groups you've matched them with.

[1stLightHorse]

Mine is I2a2, what makes you think it's associated with Hallstatt culture?

[Ulla]

Mine is I2a2, what makes you think it's associated with Hallstatt culture?

I2a2 is also widespread in Balkans. Subclades are more accurate.

[safinator]

Mine is I2a2, what makes you think it's associated with Hallstatt culture?

I M223 is strongly connected with Low Germanic areaa, i think only in Germany and Netherlands it goes above 10%, Falish theritory.

[Anglojew]

http://thuleanperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/haplogroup-q.gif

The "Uber-Haplogroup".

[Artek]

http://thuleanperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/haplogroup-q.gif

The "Uber-Haplogroup".
So uber, that it remained scarce :icon_lol:. Also, why people keep posting this old map?"

[Proto-Shaman]

All R and Q came from us, P.

[FeederOfRavens]

Distribution of the 3 main Y-DNA halotypes that proto-germanic people belonged to


Anglo-Saxo

http://i.imgur.com/yf3NdhV.gif

+ Frankish

[Tchek]

Probably Frankish... one of the red dots seems to be right in the city of Tournai which is one of the hotspot of the Merovingians, the birthplace of Clovis.

[FeederOfRavens]

Probably Frankish... one of the red dots seems to be right in the city of Tournai which is one of the hotspot of the Merovingians, the birthplace of Clovis.

Yes, the origin of the Franks was in the Southern Netherlands and Flanders, so they have the best claim to Frankish history compared to anyone else.

[Hevo]

R1b U106 is to old to be called Anglo-Saxon/Frankish etc. The subclades of R1b u106 could be attributed to these groups but it's uncertain which subclades are typical for Franks and Saxons.

[FeederOfRavens]

R1b U106 is to old to be called Anglo-Saxon/Frankish etc. The subclades of R1b u106 could be attributed to these groups but it's uncertain which subclades are typical for Franks and Saxons.

I agree it's the same way with I1 and the Norse. I1 is no doubt older than Norse but it spread with the Norse peoples and is associated with them.

[sgc2009]

I agree it's the same way with I1 and the Norse. I1 is no doubt older than Norse but it spread with the Norse peoples and is associated with them.

That depends on how we define Norse people. The I1 branch associated with Scandinavians is L22, but L22 isn't homogenous, Swedes and Norwegians belong to a northern cluster, then there's a southern cluster found mostly among Danes. Other I1 branches are mostly non-Scandinavian, found extensively in Germany, Netherlands, the British Isles but also southernmost Scandinavia.

[Artek]

That depends on how we define Norse people. The I1 branch associated with Scandinavians is L22, but L22 isn't homogenous, Swedes and Norwegians belong to a northern cluster, then there's a southern cluster found mostly among Danes. Other I1 branches are mostly non-Scandinavian, found extensively in Germany, Netherlands, the British Isles but also southernmost Scandinavia.
And a "Polish cluster", if I recall correctly one of the basal ones.Story of I1 is complicated and still not much is known, aside from it's lack among hunters-gatherers from Scandinavia.

[Peikko]

I think trying to link Y-DNA with languages is just waste of time.

[acbrasil]

And everyone always forgets about the G-men.

I'm a G. My male line comes out of SW Germany along the Swiss border. I found someone else who is also a G in that area, with my uncorrupted surname, but they haven't written back :picard1:

[Artek]

And everyone always forgets about the G-men.

I'm a G. My male line comes out of SW Germany along the Swiss border. I found someone else who is also a G in that area, with my uncorrupted surname, but they haven't written back :picard1:

G have this "flaw" of ambiguity, since they were present all across Europe, maybe without northernmost and northeastern fringes. To isolate any branches that can at least partly coorelate with certain ethnicity, you would have to test it deep enough or , even better, sequence it. And moreover, it wouldn't have guaranteed much without proper database, like y-dna project numerous in members who also tested relatively deep.

My own branch (R1a-Z280), though younger than presence of G2a in Europe, also starts to surprise me and I quickly learned that it doesn't wholly fit a Balto-Slavic pattern. Because there are early-diverged branches, like S24902, CTS1055(which look both Celto-Germanic), YP343(which looks ambiguous as hell, possibly spread with various ethnicities) and other subbranches that are also a breach from Balto-Slavic formula. It's not so easy as it seems by reading Eupedia, though it slowly improves.

[Cody Gearhart]

Isn't R-U198 Germanic? If so tell me more about it!