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TheForeigner
07-10-2014, 02:16 PM
Female infanticide

Infanticide is the unlawful killing of very young children. It is found in both indigenous and sophisticated cultures around the world.
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Female infanticide
What is infanticide?

Infanticide is the unlawful killing of very young children. It is found in both indigenous and sophisticated cultures around the world.
Female infanticide

Female infanticide is the deliberate killing of girl babies.

It is also described as gender-selective killing or "gendercide". (Similar words like 'gynocide' and 'femicide' are used to describe the killing of females of any age.)

Female infanticide is more common than male infanticide, and in some countries, particularly India and China, is likely to have serious consequences on the balance of the sexes in the population.

The reasons behind it are almost always cultural, rather than directly religious.

The causes:
Anti-female bias

Societies that practise female infanticide always show many other signs of bias against females.

Women are perceived as subservient because of their role as carers and homemakers, whilst men predominantly ensure the family's social and economic stability.
Family economics

Girl babies are often killed for financial reasons.

Earning power: Men are usually the main income-earners, either because they are more employable or earn higher wages for the same work, or because they are able to do more agricultural work in subsistence economies. Since male babies have a greater income potential, they are less likely to be killed.
Potential pensions: In many societies, parents depend on their children to look after them in old age. But in many of these cultures a girl leaves her parental family and joins her husband's family when she marries. The result is that parents with sons gain extra resources for their old age, when their sons marry, while parents with daughters lose their 'potential pensions' when they marry and move away. This gives parents a strong reason to prefer male children. Some parents (particularly poor ones) who can't afford to support a large family, will kill female babies. Girls are considered a drain on family resources during their childhood without bringing economic benefits later on.
Dowry: Some girl babies are killed so that the family doesn't have to pay a dowry when they get married. In Indian society it is tradition for the parents of the bride to give a dowry to the groom and his family. The dowry consists of large amounts of money and valuable goods. For families with several daughters this can be a serious financial burden.

Government policy

Governmental policies have also increased female infanticide as an unpredicted side-effect. For example, when the Chinese Government introduced a One Child per Family Policy there was a surge in female infanticide. Families needed to have a son because of their higher earning potential, so a girl baby was an economic disaster for them, and there was a strong motive to ensure that girl babies did not survive.
Caste

Some female infants are killed because they are regarded as being lower in the caste hierarchy than males.
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Where does female infanticide occur?

Female infanticide is a significant problem in parts of Asia - infanticide does occur in the West, but usually as isolated family tragedies with no underlying pattern or gender bias.
India

Female infanticide and female foeticide (the selective abortion of girls in the womb) are significant issues in India.

Female infanticide has been a problem for centuries, partly as a result of the patriarchal nature of Indian society.
Tackling the issue

Modern India has tried several ways to tackle the issue. One initiative in the state of Tamil Nadu was taken to attack the underlying economic problems.

Where parents had one or two daughters but no son, and either of the parents was willing to be sterilised, the government offered the parents money to help look after the children. This money was to be paid annually throughout the daughter's education, followed by a lump sum on her twentieth birthday, either for use as a dowry or to fund further education.
China

Female infanticide has existed in China for a long time, and although the One Child per Family policy has added to the problem, it didn't cause it.

The One Child Policy was introduced by the Chinese Government in 1979 with the intention of keeping the population within sustainable limits even in the face of natural disasters and poor harvests, and improving the quality of life for the Chinese population as a whole.

Under the policy, parents who have more than one child may have their wages reduced and be denied some social services.

Despite the egalitarian nature of Chinese society, many parents believe that having a son is a vital element of providing for their old age. Therefore in extreme cases, a baby is killed if it is not of the preferred sex, because of the pressure not to have more than one child.
Tackling the issue

The Chinese Government have acknowledged the problem and introduced laws to deal with it:

Marriage law prohibits female infanticide.
Women's Protection Law prohibits infanticide and bans discrimination against women who choose to keep female babies.
Maternal Health Care Law forbids the use of technological advances, such as ultra-sound machines, to establish the sex of foetuses, so as not to pre-determine the fate of female infants or encourage selective abortion.

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Origins of infanticide

Infanticide occurs in most cases as a way of restricting poverty and population. Throughout history infanticide has been regarded as a productive and efficient way to control starvation and poor standards of living caused by over population.
Confucianism

The male bias in China is deeply rooted in Chinese traditions which leads parents to want their first child to be a boy.

Confucianism regards male children as more desirable since they provide security for the elderly, work and are important for the performance of ancestral rites.
Hinduism

Hindu authorities condemn infanticide.

Son-preference in Hindu cultures is largely based on the fact that men are better providers, and that sons are required for the proper performance of funeral rites.

Some writers argue that Hindu culture has long had a patriarchal bias against women.
Sikhism

Sikh authorities condemn infanticide.

The Sikh religion is one of the most gender-neutral, and explicitly proclaims the equality of men and women. This makes it more surprising that censuses in India show there are far more male children than female children in the Sikh community.

In practice there does appear to be a strong preference for boys in the Sikh heartland. The community appears to give greater respect to the parents of boys, and boys themselves.

In response the Sikh religious organisation Akal Takht has re-emphasised that women are equal to men. It has banned neo-natal sex identification, selective abortion and the killing of female babies.
Islam

Islam has always condemned infanticide.

Female infanticide was common in pre-Islamic Arabia. However, by the time of Muhammad, and the revelation of the Qur'an female infanticide was strictly forbidden, and regarded as seriously as adult murder.

The Qur'an on female infanticide:

When the infant girl, is buried alive, is questioned, for what crime she was killed.

Surah 81 v 8 - 9

You shall not kill your children for fear of want. We will provide for them and for you. To kill them is a grievous sin.

Surah 17 v 31

Christianity

Christianity has always condemned infanticide.
Judaism

Judaism has always condemned infanticide. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/medical/infanticide_1.shtml

rhiannon
07-10-2014, 06:43 PM
Infanticide boggles my oh-so-Western mindset. I cannot fathom for one second the thought of deliberately killing the child I just gave birth to. I'd go without food myself to ensure my baby's survival.

The thought of these children suffering the way they do when they're just left out to die fucking breaks my heart into tiny pieces:cry2:cry2

Herr Abubu
07-10-2014, 06:47 PM
Infanticide boggles my oh-so-Western mindset. I cannot fathom for one second the thought of deliberately killing the child I just gave birth to. I'd go without food myself to ensure my baby's survival.

What you call a Western mindset I call a human mindset.


The thought of these children suffering the way they do when they're just left out to die fucking breaks my heart into tiny pieces:cry2:cry2

And I bet you are pro-choice nonetheless.

rhiannon
07-10-2014, 06:50 PM
Yet I bet you are pro-choice. This statement is irrelevant to the current thread so I won't be discussing my or anyone else's' views on abortion, sorry.

Herr Abubu
07-10-2014, 06:53 PM
The Abrahamic religions are against something as vile and immoral as this practice, what a surprise. Westerners civilizing these barbarians is the worst injustice to ever happen, however.


This statement is irrelevant to the current thread so I won't be discussing my or anyone else's' views on abortion, sorry.

It isn't really. I guess that is an implicit admission of being pro-choice when you don't see how infanticide and abortion are related, though.

Harley
07-10-2014, 06:59 PM
I had to read Pearl S. Buck's The Good Earth when I was in sixth grade. The thing that sticks out the most to me in that book is how hardcore O-Lan was. The female infanticide scene was one such scene.

Blah.

Furnace
07-10-2014, 06:59 PM
The current births by gender in China is 1.18 boys for every girl born. Over 30 million bachelors will die without ever getting a wife and/or children, this has already created a generation of men called "leftovers", and has become a huge social issue in China.

rhiannon
07-10-2014, 07:00 PM
The Abrahamic religions are against something as vile and immoral as this practice, what a surprise. Westerners civilizing these barbarians is the worst injustice to ever happen, however.



It isn't really. I guess that is an implicit admission of being pro-choice when you don't see how infanticide and abortion are related, though.

I see just fine, thanks. My stance on that issue isn't as simple as you might think. Now let's leave abortion out of this, please.

rhiannon
07-10-2014, 07:02 PM
I had to read Pearl S. Buck's The Good Earth when I was in sixth grade. The thing that sticks out the most to me in that book is how hardcore O-Lan was. The female infanticide scene was one such scene.

Blah. Thanks for the spoiler.....now I know I will never read that book lol

Donnay
07-10-2014, 07:04 PM
It isn't really. I guess that is an implicit admission of being pro-choice when you don't see how infanticide and abortion are related, though.

The relation between the two is rather glaring, insofar as a fetus is human, which, medically speaking, it is. Anyone who denies the relation either disagrees with this premise (which is simply a medical question) or believes that abortion is self-defense (trust me I've seen this argued before). The former is wrong factually, the latter is repulsive ethically.

Your move, abortionists.

Harley
07-10-2014, 07:06 PM
Thanks for the spoiler.....now I know I will never read that book lol

Meh, I read it as required material. I should probably read it again just to do it, but it was hard. I didn't like the main character or his choices.

rhiannon
07-10-2014, 07:10 PM
Infanticide is the killing of the child after it has been born already and is able to exist outside the mothers womb. Abortion and infanticide have the same result, technically speaking....but the acceptability of the two practices is vastly different. I don't see anyone here in the US advocating for infanticide. I would equate partial birth abortions with infanticide btw...and most ppl are against those as well

Lurker
07-10-2014, 07:11 PM
Is abortion after sex screening the fetus considered infanticide or not? I heard they used to do that in India until even sex screening was outlawed. Basically they aborted the fetus after they discovered they were females. I'd consider that infanticide, but I think to some it's not.

Herr Abubu
07-10-2014, 07:19 PM
Infanticide is the killing of the child after it has been born already and is able to exist outside the mothers womb. Abortion and infanticide have the same result, technically speaking....but the acceptability of the two practices is vastly different. I don't see anyone here in the US advocating for infanticide. I would equate partial birth abortions with infanticide btw...and most ppl are against those as well

I don't see how a child inside the womb makes it any different from a child outside of the womb. This distinction is wholly arbitrary. Since the only real difference between infanticide and feticide is that the infant is outside of the womb and the fetus is inside the womb and the extent of development, being pro-choice (to murder human fetuses, granted the woman bearing the child gives consent) is no different from being pro-choice (to murder infants or any human life at any age, for that matter). I guess the wailing of a newborn baby is what makes the difference for most people.

Harley
07-10-2014, 07:28 PM
Pro-choice should go hand in hand with education. If you don't like the kind of choices people make, help educate them to alternatives. If they make a decision on how to take care of their own life, that is their decision.

Raven_
07-10-2014, 07:29 PM
Infanticide is the killing of the child after it has been born already and is able to exist outside the mothers womb. Abortion and infanticide have the same result, technically speaking....but the acceptability of the two practices is vastly different. I don't see anyone here in the US advocating for infanticide. I would equate partial birth abortions with infanticide btw...and most ppl are against those as well

A newborn child is not able to exist on it's own. It has to be taken care of. Obviously. Imagine if a woman wants to get rid of her newborn but there are no people accepting to take care of her child. (I am sure this happens in really poor areas). Would that make infanticide a tolerable solution? According to your logic it would. But you, as a person who often talks affected by your maternal instincts (or at least mention them in one way or another), should understand that BOTH infanticide or abortion go against nature and therefore it's the main reason why they are so despised. I don't see this changing, ever.

rhiannon
07-10-2014, 07:40 PM
A newborn child is not able to exist on it's own. It has to be taken care of. Obviously. Imagine if a woman wants to get rid of her newborn but there are no people accepting to take care of her child. (I am sure this happens in really poor areas). Would that make infanticide a tolerable solution? According to your logic it would. But you, as a person who often talks affected by your maternal instincts (or at least mention them in one way or another), should understand that BOTH infanticide or abortion go against nature and therefore it's the main reason why they are so despised. I don't see this changing, ever.

I see a distinction between a first trimester abortion and a fully-formed, crying baby. This doesn't mean I find abortion pleasant, though.

The question you pose about the poor mother is an interesting one. I don't see infanticide as acceptable in any circumstance, though. Same goes for third trimester abortions or any happening past the age of viability....unless mom might die or the fetus has something seriously wrong with it.

It may be also that infanticide happens in places where first trimester abortions or any other kind of abortion is unavailable in any sort of medically supervised way.

I've birthed children, obviously. My stance on infanticide stems from having had two infants of my own to care for....the first one being back when I was very young and not in the best financial position.