Atrocities of Dashnak against Mountain Jews

[Partizan]

Day.Az presents exclusive interview with Rovshan Mustafayev, the Director of the Human Rights Institute of the National Academy of Scince.

- Mr Mustafayev, the facts of Jews' genocide committed by Armenians in Guba region were annonced today within a framework of round table orginized by you. Tell our readers what was the point of origin for such researches?
- Recently the representatives of Mountain Jews community appealed to our Institute and told us about tragic events which took place during 1918-1919 in Guba city. According to them during those years there were mass killings of Mountain Jews committed by Armenian bandits.
Semen Ikhiilov, Head of Mountain Jews' community, writes to the Human Rights Institute of the National Academy of Scince: "In 1980s I discovered uknown facts regarding to mass killings of Jews during the period of Azerbaijanis' genocide in 1918-1919. According to the witnesses and some documents, together with Azerbaijanis more than 3000 Jews were killed. For the moment we identified 87 names. Each year on March 31st, on the day of Azerbaijanis' genocide of 1918-1919, special requiem prayers for 87 killed Jewish children, women and men are being read in the synagogues. We continue the researches of other places of mass burial in the regions of our Motherland, Azerbaijan. This letter is accompanied with the list of victims, who were killed by monsters on 19th Iyar, 5679, in Guba city," the letter says.
Moreover, you can find in archives facts that during those times the Jewish problem was presented as the Tat problem, without a national identity. That's why it was a problem of genocide committed by Armenians against the Tat ethnic group of Azerbaijan.
After we received the message from Jewish community the experts group was created for working with archives. We discovered this mass killings were committed by group headed by Amazasp under Stepan Shaumian's command.
All the materials were collected by scintillas. But even though the information content is not so wide we can still receive faithful image of murderous deeds committed by Armenians against Mountain Jews, Lezghins, Azerbaijanis during those years in Guba.
- But what was a reason of killing Mountain Jews by Armenians?
- Jews just rejected proposal to join the Dashnak's brigade against the Muslim population and tried to prevent a bloodshed. But Jewish envoy was brutally killed by the Amazasp's brigade and the mass killings were started.
- How many persons killed by Armenians thugs were identified?
- For the moment we were able to identify 87 names. Moreover, we have numerous reports from Mountain Jews about their relatives being killed by Armenians and we are working on them.
There will be a stele erected by Mountain Jews in memory of the victims and the names will be written there. That's why the complete identification is needed.
- And how those killings of Mountain Jews were committed by Armenians?
- How? And how the mass killings were commited during the Holocaust, in Babiy Yar, Hojaly, Hatyn...? Recently we received a letter from the Azerbaijan's Georgian Jews Community offering their help in restoring historical truth.

http://www.today.az/news/politics/25410.html

[Partizan]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guba_mass_grave

[Partizan]

Alone of all Jewish communities in Muslim countries, the Jews of Azerbaijan seem to be thriving. Only last April a splendid new synagogue, funded by the Azeri government, opened in Baku to much fanfare.

But the story of the Jews of this region - known as Mountain Jews or Jews of the Caucasus - has not always been this untroubled. An ancient community tracing their ancestry back to the Babylonian captivity and as part of the Persian empire was subject to the strictures of dhimmitude over the centuries and forced conversions to Islam. Yet, according to Sir Martin Gilbert in In Ishmael's House, Mountain Jews were armed and respected by neighbouring tribes as fierce warriors.

There were pogroms in the early 1900s and under Communism the teaching of Judaism was banned. In 1980 fear of being caught up in the Armenian-Azeri war over Nagorno-Karabakh forced many Jews to leave for Israel and the West. Sarit Haddad, the famous Israeli singer, is descended from a family of Mountain Jews, and so is the great diva Yaffa Yarkoni, nee Abramov.

But one of the most deeply disturbing antisemitic episodes was the massacre of as many as 3,000 Jews in 1918-9 - not by Muslim Azeris, but Bolshevik-led Armenians.

Point of No Return flagged up this little-known event, reported in an Azeri newspaper in 2006, and publicised by the well-known commentator Tom Gross.

In a radio interview Esmira Yaffa confirms that workers building a stadium in Quba in 2007 had unearthed mass graves. The Jews were slaughtered by the Armenians because they refused to take sides in the great war with the Ottoman Turks. (Jews were also killed on the Turkish side of the border in Anatolia). Esmira's interviewer and talk show host Almaz Kohanziadeh Ben-Adonai confirms that her great-great-grandfather, a rabbi in Quba, was forced to leave around this time.

Esmira Yaffa has many fascinating things to say about her community. They spoke a Judeo-Persian dialect of Middle Persian with 20 percent Hebrew words. Some towns were entirely Jewish - Quba had 17 synagogues. Let's hope the reborn present-day community - numbering about 6,000 - has put its troubles behind it.

http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com.tr/2011/08/chequered-history-of-mountain-jews.html

[gültekin]

http://galeri7.uludagsozluk.com/256/%C3%BC%C3%A7-maymun_431095.jpg
only be silently look up and get away, so that no one can noticed.
else would the brotherhood of satanic babykillers destroyed.

[Hayalet]

Anglojew is lucky he is no mountain Jew.

[Anglojew]

Anglojew is lucky he is no mountain Jew.

I'd never heard of this before. Thanks for posting Partizan.

I don't actually have anything against Turks, you guys have me all wrong. I just don't like the occupation of Kurdistan and the attitude towards the Armenian genocides. The Ottomans were better than many Christian kingdoms of that period of the time and allied to France and even Serbia. Things aren't as simple as people think today.

I'm definitely part-Turkic myself even (Ashina clan).

[Armenian Bishop]

Anglojew is lucky he is no mountain Jew.


I'd never heard of this before. Thanks for posting Partizan.

Not so fast! Wikipedia discussions about Mountain Jews (aka Highland Jews) indicate that the Guba Grave fairytale is based upon flimsy claims of only one person, whom has refused to submit himself to investigative inquiries. Unbiased foreign experts haven't been given permission to examine the Guba Grave remains, and there's an absence of unbiased documentary or archival evidence, as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk:Mountain_Jews

"The Guba mass grave is a heavily disputed article. As the article says, the possibility of Jews being among it, and even if the bones are of murdered people at all, are based off the claims of one person who has refused investigations. No foreign experts have examined the human remains, and that no documentary or archival evidence has been presented that mentions a massacre. The section should be removed. --216.125.48.225 (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2014 (UTC)"

[Peter Nirsch]

I don't care about Muslim/Jews quarrels, this is a European cultural community.

[Armenian Bishop]

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/11376-Armenia-and-the-information-war/page113

When the lip is not a fool, or a particular national genotsidostroeniya in Azerbaijan
Five years ago, "GA" published my article entitled "Genocide in the law, or features of the national state-building" on the legislative initiatives of Heydar Aliyev of Azerbaijan to create their own version of genocide. Over the years, much has changed - the progress, as they say, is obvious. Today initiative son Aliyev strike persistent search for a new cementing tools to not completely stable national identity of Azerbaijanis. Among other "projects" for this purpose unwind found in Guba human remains prepodnosimyh as victims of "genocide committed by Armenians." Fortunately for the Azerbaijani authorities and anthropologists, human bones can not speak. Based on this conventional wisdom, the Azerbaijani politicians and scientists have decided that you can not only calculate their gender, age and nationality, but also the confidence to name the culprit death.

Background (all below quotes and information derived solely from Azerbaijani sources) is as follows: in Guba, which is about 200 km north of Baku, April 1 (! - GD) in 2007 on the former landfill was accidentally discovered mass graves . In Azerbaijan, quickly realized that they will be useful as a novelty anti-Armenian propaganda, and have put this idea, as they say, on a grand scale. As a result of the content of the Baku press on Guba burial even uninformed reader will find many fun and instructive moments that characterize the process of creating a national framework in Azerbaijan "genotsidostroeniya" and the incompetence of methods used in the field of information warfare. Give a few gems from this series.

Immediately after the discovery of burial speaker of the Azerbaijani Parliament Oktay Assad said: "MPs, especially historians, should work to attract international experts. It should be done so that the ambassadors of other countries in Azerbaijan, visiting Guba, be sure to attend and the location of mass graves and did not refuse it, saying that it is not included in the protocol. " In this case, Asadov instructed the Director of the Institute of History, MP Yagub Mahmudov attract foreign anthropologists to make an official document "about the massacre of Azerbaijanis by Armenians early last century." However, foreign experts in the Bay have not appeared, and found the remains have not been subjected to independent peer review for at least determine the time origin.

More soberly approached the issue the president of the National Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan Mahmud Karimov, who spoke to refrain from making any conclusions about the mass graves and offered to instruct the first examination of Azerbaijani specialists. Karimov did not rule out that Guba remains may be the result of a mass extermination of people, and the mass of the epidemic.

In turn, the head of the Caucasus Muslims, Sheikh-ul-Islam Allahshukur Pashazade made an appeal to world opinion and international organizations, not preminuv declare: "The discovery in Guba and Neftchala areas of mass graves is very interesting. So, the story hides a lot more facts. We know its bad history. Perhaps there are those among us who are unprofitable to the disclosure of these issues "(? - GD).

Meanwhile, leader of the expedition of the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography of Azerbaijan National Academy of Sciences Qahraman Aghayev reported finding about 200 skulls, adding: "... researchers concluded that the dumping - the result of the genocide carried out by Armenians in Guba. Thus here! Question on what basis such a conclusion is made for G. Agayeva, apparently, is not even a minor - a question for him is simply not there. Further, in the case came in MP Sabir Rustamkhanli, requiring prosecutors to open a criminal investigation into the discovery of mass graves. During this time, the locals managed to steal six skulls from the burial, probably guided by well-known principle of "maybe will fit."

Forgetting about the promise to provide the public the results of analysis of soil and to attract foreign experts, Agayev spoke with another stunning statement. According to him, to draw conclusions about almost exactly behind the killing of Armenians in Guba buried the remains, "allows both historical facts and findings found in the burial of skulls." And elaborated: "Among the archival materials have a letter from Stepan Shaumian Hamazasp. It notes that" the main purpose of your arrival in Azerbaijan is the spread of Bolshevism. But this - the second question. The main is your duty - the destruction of the local Turks. This - the national debt. "Even funnier: G. Agayev asserts that" studies have shown that the massacre took place from 3 to 10 May ... "(a truly scientific achievement, which proved only by Azerbaijani scientist). And further:" The study of skulls, found in a burial site, also show that the genocide occurred 90 years ago, people whose bodies we found were killed elsewhere and dumped there ... The study found that these men were stripped and brutally killed with sharp objects ... and on some skeletons skull separated from the body. "

Note that a mysterious and probably non-existent letter Shaumian has not yet been published in any of the Azerbaijani collection of archival documents.

G. Agayev also said that there is no need to attract international experts, because "in our institution great potential. The Republican Prosecutor's Office also has a department of medical expertise ... All work carried out in the burial, are removed by special cells, imported from the Institute" . Upon completion of the same excavation leader of the expedition made a truly sensational statement: "Based on anthropological studies of the skulls found that in 1918, in addition to physical destruction of Azerbaijanis were Jews and Lezgins. After that, everything fell into place. Indeed, why should involve international experts, if the Azerbaijani "pros" have managed to establish even the nationality of the remains. On why among the deceased was not living then in these areas Persian, Russian and Talysh, Qahraman modestly silent.

We should add that so far Azerbaijani historians have not published any historical or archival document evidencing the fact of the massacre of Muslim population in the Bay or to provide specific information on disposal. Speculation and unscientific, lacking any basis speculation - nothing more. Meanwhile, there are archives proving that in the Bay in 1918, there has been violence against the Armenian population from the local Tatar groups, and the number of abused the Armenians to the number found at the burial site of skeletons. Here is one such evidence. In late April 1918. Commissioner of the city and region Guba Gelovani to the Chairman of the Military Revolutionary Committee Korganov telegram read: "Today, 24 April, I delivered 115 Armenians who were imprisoned in Guba prison. They have lost all their possessions. I have taken steps to return to their property. They requested financial assistance from the Armenian National Council. As soon as possible send to my email. Tangible critical condition ... except Guba city in other places, too, is captured by Armenians. take measures to rescue them. " This telegram was published in the Areva 27 April 1918. Other archival material indicates the brutal murder of wealthy Armenian families Guba city, and among those killed were children (in the course of excavations in Azerbaijani sources, were found 4 children's skeleton).

Can we claim that the remains belong to the Armenian-gubintsam, who had been kept as hostages, and later most of them have been destroyed? Even having at hand a specific historical documents that say this with confidence not because it needs to spend a lot of expertise, including including radiouglevodorodnuyu, anthropological and genetic, accessible to modern science methods. It remains, therefore, conclude that the signing of the decree on the construction of the Memorial of Genocide of Azerbaijanis "Ilham Aliyev got into a trap set by pseudo-Azerbaijani historians blasphemous manner using unidentified remains exclusively in the dirty political propaganda purposes.

Why the Azerbaijani side should already be blaming the lies and dishonesty on this issue? It's enough to even that from the outset has been announced national identity of human remains, while initially claimed that the remains belonged to xxxs, a week later they were declared as brutally murdered "citizens of Azerbaijan" (quote from the statement expedition leader G. Agayeva) and in "landmark" decree Aliyev stated that "in a mass grave in Guba was found that the genocide along with the Azerbaijanis were killed with unlimited ruthlessness and cruelty, raped thousands of Lezgins, xxxs, Tats and other ethnic Minorities ".

Now a few words about the elementary logic, permanently limping in Azerbaijani science workers. if these remains are owned by Muslims, Azeris, why local people are still unaware of the existence of mass graves of their relatives who were also buried in the landfill? On the basis of what is not known to modern science method Azerbaijani specialists have identified the skulls belonging to Azerbaijanis Lezghins, Mountain xxxs, and Tatham? Which were found related materials that could provide a definitive answer to questions about the history and national identity of the remains? Finally, a historical document for certain reports on the grave in Guba "brutally killed by Armenians Azerbaijanis?

Not to mention that in the interests of scientific objectivity would not hurt to bring to the research of international experts. To do so little: invite expert kranologov (specialists in the skull), geneticists - for DNA testing and historians - for comparison of historical documents and related material excavation. But ...

December 30, 2009. Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev issued a decree on setting up in Guba "Genocide Memorial Complex. In order to create complex Guba executive power of the President's Reserve Fund allocated 1 million manat. The text of the decree read: "At the beginning of last century due to the policy of mass ethnic cleansing and aggression carried out by the Armenian-Dashnak gangs on the territory of Azerbaijan, Baku, Guba, Karabakh, Shamakhi, Kurdamir, Salyan, Lankaran and other regions have been destroyed tens of thousands innocent Azerbaijanis massacre carried out against our people is one of the most tragic acts of genocide of the twentieth century. Only in the Guba district in April and May 1918 were completely destroyed 122 villages. in a mass grave in Guba was found that as a result of the genocide, together with Azerbaijanis killed with limitless ruthlessness and cruelty, raped thousands of Lezgins, xxxs, Tats and other ethnic minorities .... " Here and do commentary superfluous.

Judging from published photographs from the place of burial, And this vile idea will become a temporary fad azerpropa, since even traces of decay and destruction of bones and skulls. In the heat of anti-Armenian hysteria Baku scientists, shows preservation of the remains of forgotten or did not know about the necessity of such actions. Meanwhile, many foreign ambassadors and delegations fall for Azerbaijan "hospitality" and expressed horror and a burning desire to write a book about the burial of Guba. Alas!

Amid all the above can be assumed that shortly presidential decree all cemeteries in Azerbaijan will announce the results of evil and treacherous Armenians. Marasmus grows stronger hopelessly ... And here we are, unfortunately, just does not help their neighbors.

Hayk Demoyan, director of the Museum-Institute of Armenian Genocide
The newspaper "Voice of Armenia"

[Armenian Bishop]

Azeri and Turkish state managed propaganda exaggerations and lies have reached epidemic proportions, as is the case with the false accusations of the Guba Graves, directed against Armenian Dashnaks. The accusations against Armenians have been debunked. And, there is good reason to believe that the Guba Graves scapegoating of Armenians, was directed by President Aliyev himself. Azerbaijan has refused to provide access to foreign offers for unbiased professional examinations of the Guba Graves evidence, because they want to control the information, and use it as a weapon for slandering Armenians. Azerbaijan's propaganda lies (IE Guba Grave accusation) go viral, simply by telling the same lie, over and over again.

[Partizan]

Armenian Bishop, sorry but your claims are not more brilliant than Holocaust Deniers' claims like "They do not let us to research in Auschwitz". Armenians are quite anti-semitic as people.

[Armenian Bishop]

Armenian Bishop, sorry but your claims are not more brilliant than Holocaust Deniers' claims like "They do not let us to research in Auschwitz". Armenians are quite anti-semitic as people.

We can agree to disagree, but the Guba Graves accusations aren't trustworthy, because Azerbaijan has been rabidly Anti-Armenian for a very long time, even to the point of giving praising to homicidal acts, as was the case when an Azeri Military officer murdered an Armenian Military Officer, in his sleep, during a NATO Peace Conference, in Hungary. Providing access to Guba Graves, for internationally recognized professionals and specialists, would've given more credibility to it, because those 3rd parties would not be under the influence of the hateful Azeri agenda. I don't expect us to agree, but as far as I'm concerned, the Guba Grave accusations come forth from a poisoned well of slander. As far as I'm concerned this is a case of slandering Armenians, with state controlled accusations, carefully guarded from neutral observers.

[Musso]

From your own source:


Hayk Demoyan, the director of the Armenian Genocide Museum-Institute, has stated that no foreign experts have examined the human remains, and that no documentary or archival evidence has been presented that mentions a massacre of Muslims by Armenians having taken place in Guba.

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I'd never heard of this before. Thanks for posting Partizan.


It's Azeri propaganda that has never been independently verified by foreign experts.

[Musso]

Furtheremore:

Oh so tolerant Azeris....


In 2005, the mayor of Baku, Hajibala Abutalybov during at a meeting with a municipal delegation from Bavaria, Germany stated

Our goal is the complete elimination of Armenians. You, Nazis, already eliminated the Jews in the 1930s and 40s, right? You should be able to understand us."

Praising an axe-murder that killed an Armenian that was sleeping:


He [President Aliyev] went on praising Ramil Safarov saying "Azerbaijan has returned Ramil Safarov-its officer to homeland, given him freedom and restored the justice."

They even need to "investigate" people for selling something that had Armenian letters on it:

http://news.az/articles/economy/90212

[Musso]

Welcome to Azerbaijan, where you are a human, given you are not Armenian, don't have anything to do with Armenians, and don't support Karabakh. If you are not any of these, you are considered a full human.

[Musso]

And as a Turk, you really shouldn't be talking:


At the end of March 2005 the attention of Western media was drawn towards Turkey to the fact that Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf was running at 4th place on the Turkish best-seller lists for the first two months of 2005. Its low price (4.5 US dollars) made it affordable and hit for high sales, from 50 to 100 thousand copies of the book were sold. The Turkish authorities withdrew the book from sales shortly after.[46][47][48][49] On that occasion, Turkish sociologist and political scientist Doğu Ergil stated that "Nazism, buried in Europe, is being resurrected in Turkey."


According to opinion polls conducted in 2007–2009, the Turkish society has a high level of xenophobia. 64% of Turks do not want to see Jews as their neighbors, 76% has a negative attitude towards Jews, and only 7% is positive


Turkish Jews are concerned about antisemitic sentiments in Turkey, for example, some private shops posted tablets with the inscription "Jews are not allowed".

[Anulik]

I think the Turks should have been awarded a special trophy at the world cup as the biggest bullshitters in the world. At the rate these guys are going, they're probably sleep talking about Armenians and even spewing propaganda on their death beds.

[Anatolian Eagle]

I find it funny how Armenian Bishop provides information from Hyeclub, Armenian nationalist forum where the word "Jew" is censored as "xxx" and used as an insult, to raise a point against the OP. xD

I'm sure Musso knows about this too despite he's desperately trying hard to potray Turks as anti-Semites. Armenian nationalists are one of biggest anti-Semites on this planet, with their claims such as Young Turks being Jewish and Zionist, with their exclusive support for Iran, and their censorship and insults towards Jews in their forums.

[Musso]

I find it funny how Armenian Bishop provides information from Hyeclub, Armenian nationalist forum where the word "Jew" is censored as "xxx" and used as an insult, to raise a point against the OP. xD

I'm sure Musso knows about this too despite he's desperately trying hard to potray Turks as anti-Semites. Armenian nationalists are one of biggest anti-Semites on this planet, with their claims such as Young Turks being Jewish and Zionist, with their exclusive support for Iran, and their censorship and insults towards Jews in their forums.

Biggest Anti-Semites? Please check yourself lol, Turkey is much more anti-Semitic than Armenia. And exclusive support for Iran? Absolutely wrong, if anyone has our exclusive support that is Russia and the future Eurasian Union.

[Reign of True Hayasa]

If this were true (which I highly doubt for good reasons, namely my experience with exposing propagandists before several times), but if this were really true, then I strongly condemn it.

As for the Armenian Anti-Semitism charge of some online semi-literate conspiracy fanclub members...I would say that Anti-Semitism and Genocide denial conspiracies are diseases of the human psyche that can only be cleansed through education: education through neutral, authentic, scholarly, respectable, and trustworthy sources of information.

[Reign of True Hayasa]

I find it funny how Armenian Bishop provides information from Hyeclub, Armenian nationalist forum where the word "Jew" is censored as "xxx" and used as an insult, to raise a point against the OP. xD

I'm sure Musso knows about this too despite he's desperately trying hard to potray Turks as anti-Semites. Armenian nationalists are one of biggest anti-Semites on this planet, with their claims such as Young Turks being Jewish and Zionist, with their exclusive support for Iran, and their censorship and insults towards Jews in their forums.

why do you read from those idiotic sites dude? they are pitifully ignorant misguided conspiratorial tools...familiar much?;)