genetic "map" what do you think of it ??

[Ivan Kramskoï]

It is supposed to place diifferent European and close European ethnicity and show their relative distance.
It also separate Europeans into 4 part : north west, north east, south west, south east.
I need your opinion on this one (i am not a pro on genetics at all).
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[Damião de Góis]

Apart from the SK mistake (the slovakian sample was only one person), it is a pretty standard genetic map of Europe. All others you will see look like that.

[arcticwolf]

Looks about right.

[Sandman]

Does this mean that the Poles are genetically closer to Russians than Ukrainians? I always thought that the opposite is true.
And why Germans and Scandinavians are in the north-east part together with the Slavs?

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Guys I need more opinion on this one.
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[Beit El]

The Netherlands being closer to Scotland than Germany and Denmark is somewhat strange to me.

[Gaston]

Very old "map". There are plenty of others available which are more recent and even include ancient European DNA.

[Peter Nirsch]

very good map

[Musso]

So how do Austrians = Germans if on the genetic map they obviously have some genetic distance from the Germans?

[Sandman]

The Netherlands being closer to Scotland than Germany and Denmark is somewhat strange to me.
The common legacy of the Celts?

[Beit El]

The common legacy of the Celts?

That would be true if it weren't for the fact that the Dutch are West-Germanic. We're the same people as the northwestern Germans.


So how do Austrians = Germans if on the genetic map they obviously have some genetic distance from the Germans?

They're German in language only. Southern Germans, Swiss and Austrians are Celts with (strong) Germanic admixture, not full Germanics.

[Sandman]

That would be true if it weren't for the fact that the Dutch are West-Germanic. We're the same people as the northwestern Germans.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070610160338/althistory/images/0/09/Distribution_of_Celts_in_Europe_(Celtic_Rules).png

[Beit El]

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070610160338/althistory/images/0/09/Distribution_of_Celts_in_Europe_(Celtic_Rules).png

This isn't a historical map. It's a map from a website that describes alternate history...

This is why you should check your sources.

[aimar]

I like how clearly iberians are isolated from others, there in our little corner.
Most others overlap a lot with each other.

I don't think this map brings anything new, does it?

[Grace O'Malley]

That would be true if it weren't for the fact that the Dutch are West-Germanic. We're the same people as the northwestern Germans.



They're German in language only. Southern Germans, Swiss and Austrians are Celts with (strong) Germanic admixture, not full Germanics.

Being Celt has nothing to do with genetics. I'm Irish and the closest population to me after West Scots are North Dutch. Some of those populations share genetics from a long time ago.

Here are my Eurogenes V2 K15 results.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.1
9 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.03
2 West_Scottish 3.18
3 North_Dutch 3.71
4 Danish 3.92
5 Orcadian 4.92
6 Southeast_English 5.05
7 North_German 5.1
8 Southwest_English 6.72
9 Norwegian 7.23
10 West_Norwegian 7.49
11 Swedish 8.02
12 South_Dutch 9.76
13 West_German 10.83
14 North_Swedish 10.95
15 East_German 14.23
16 French 14.47
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
18 Austrian 18.1
19 Hungarian 18.79
20 Finnish 18.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Swedish @ 2.74
2 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Chechen @ 2.76
3 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.77
4 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Tabassaran @ 2.78
5 89.9% Irish + 10.1% North_Swedish @ 2.79
6 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Chechen @ 2.8
7 67.9% Irish + 32.1% North_Dutch @ 2.81
8 74.3% West_Scottish + 25.7% North_German @ 2.82
9 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Lezgin @ 2.82
10 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kabardin @ 2.82
11 86.3% Irish + 13.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.83
12 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Adygei @ 2.83
13 97% West_Scottish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.83
14 98% Irish + 2% North_Ossetian @ 2.84
15 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Lezgin @ 2.84
16 86.3% Irish + 13.7% Norwegian @ 2.84
17 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Balkar @ 2.85
18 94.8% Irish + 5.2% Finnish @ 2.85
19 96% Irish + 4% Estonian @ 2.86
20 98% Irish + 2% Kabardin @ 2.86

Oracle 4

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.432
2 West_Scottish @ 3.567
3 North_Dutch @ 4.197
4 Danish @ 4.472
5 Orcadian @ 5.508
6 Southeast_English @ 5.687
7 North_German @ 5.911
8 Southwest_English @ 7.480
9 Norwegian @ 8.427
10 West_Norwegian @ 8.739
207 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.222
2 50% North_Dutch +50% West_Scottish @ 3.340
3 50% Danish +50% Irish @ 3.391
4 50% Irish +50% West_Scottish @ 3.412
5 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.432
6 50% North_German +50% West_Scottish @ 3.563
7 50% North_German +50% Orcadian @ 3.564
8 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 3.567
9 50% Danish +50% West_Scottish @ 3.569
10 50% Irish +50% North_German @ 3.796
21528 iterations.



Oracle X

ct. Calc. Option 2

1 Irish 82.27%
2 Orcadian 5.29%
3 Swedish 4.82%
4 North_Swedish 2.28%
5 Tabassaran 1.97%
6 Estonian 1.80%
7 Finnish 0.63%
8 Chechen 0.45%
9 North_Ossetian 0.37%
10 Tatar 0.11%

[Äijä]

Does this mean that the Poles are genetically closer to Russians than Ukrainians? I always thought that the opposite is true.
And why Germans and Scandinavians are in the north-east part together with the Slavs?

Because you share so much, Poles are a good example.

[Catkin]

Being Celt has nothing to do with genetics. I'm Irish and the closest population to me after West Scots are North Dutch. Some of those populations share genetics from a long time ago.

Yes, I too score highly for North Dutch along with Irish, West Scot, Orcadian etc. Always thought it was odd. I don't score very closely to North German, or even so much to English.

[Ulla]

Very old "map". There are plenty of others available which are more recent and even include ancient European DNA.

Agree, but even the more recent ones are still based on few samples in my opinion.

[Vasconcelos]

It looks nice, I like the colours!

[Beit El]

Being Celt has nothing to do with genetics. I'm Irish and the closest population to me after West Scots are North Dutch. Some of those populations share genetics from a long time ago.

I never said that anyway. I was responding to someone. I am merely surprised at how we are closer to the Scottish than the Germans, even though the German-Dutch border is fairly recent and we've been longer together (thousands of years) than apart. I guess the Southern Germans really throw off the German plot.

[Hevo]

The Netherlands being closer to Scotland than Germany and Denmark is somewhat strange to me.

This map is way more accurate imo.

http://s28.postimg.org/6l8bk3nml/pca12.png

As you can see the North Dutch clusters with Danes here.

[Grace O'Malley]

I never said that anyway. I was responding to someone. I am merely surprised at how we are closer to the Scottish than the Germans, even though the German-Dutch border is fairly recent and we've been longer together (thousands of years) than apart. I guess the Southern Germans really throw off the German plot.

No worries. I just can't understand how people don't realise that being Celtic isn't genetic and keep blabbing on about "Celtic genes". The only way a nation can show their Celticity is by language and culture. I would love to have a proven tie genetically to the Celts but it is elusive at the moment. Hopefully they will find some link in the future.

[Grace O'Malley]

This map is way more accurate imo.

http://s28.postimg.org/6l8bk3nml/pca12.png

As you can see the North Dutch clusters with Danes here.

Interesting map. There seems to be a reasonable gap between West Germans and North Germans also North Dutch and South Dutch almost like they are different populations.

[Beit El]

No worries. I just can't understand how people don't realise that being Celtic isn't genetic and keep blabbing on about "Celtic genes". The only way a nation can show their Celticity is by language and culture. I would love to have a proven tie genetically to the Celts but it is elusive at the moment. Hopefully they will find some link in the future.

Well, there are of course the haplogroups you could associate with particular peoples, but it's not very conclusive.


Interesting map. There seems to be a reasonable gap between West Germans and North Germans also North Dutch and South Dutch almost like they are different populations.

'The Rivers' just above the south of the Netherlands have always been a natural barrier. The culture, religion, and dialects are different from the northern Dutch as well.

http://www.sportvisserijnederland.nl/now/c_images/dioxinegebieden_te_sluiten.jpg