Huh! Argentinians are not true white either.

[ButlerKing]

It seems to me there is no true white ethnic group in South America's, only the Americans and Canadians are the only true whites. Argentinians of European descendants are not the result of Europeans mixing with Amerindians women but rather Europeans mixing with Meztizo and Caztizos ( who are already 1/2 to 3/4 European themselves) but they still have significant Amerindian blood in their body ( 1/5 of their bodies is non-caucasoid )


A scientific team from the University of Buenos Aires School of Medicine analyzed the blood types of 73,875 donors from the Blood Bank of the Policlínico Ferroviario Central, with the purpose of finding European and Amerindian genetic components. The samples were organized following a map of the country, and the study concluded that "the percentages found in native populación were: European component, 81.47%-81.77%, and Amerindian component 18.23%-18.57%."[18]


A team led by Michael F. Seldin from the University of California, with members of scientific institutes from Argentina, the United States, Sweden and Guatemala, analyzed samples from 94 individuals and concluded that the average genetic structure of the Argentine population contains a 78.1% European contribution, 19.4% Amerindian contribution and 2.5% African contribution (using the Bayesian algorithm).[23]



http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p348088/Figure_4.gif
http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p348090/Table_2.jpg


European paternal is 87.5% to 95.8%
European maternal is 28.5% to 52.9%


Native American paternal is 2.5% to 10.9%
Native American maternal is 45.7% to 67.2%


African paternal is 0.5% to 1.7%
African maternal is 1.6% to 3.1%




Keep in mind many Argentinians also have a Meztizo or Caztizo grandfather or ancestor, but male line descendant shows their Y-DNA can still be European .


Like all Latin American population. The Meztizo and Caztizo interbreed among themselves so much they they grew out of proportions this is why pure european or pure native is rare .

[Smeagol]

A lot of Argentinians are White though.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

most Argentinians look white, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did have mixed DNA.

[ButlerKing]

A lot of Argentinians are White though.

87-95% of Argentinians call themselves white, 52% are Italians descendants

Italians are 98-100% Caucasoid or 5/5 Caucasian. But Argentinians are 1/5 Amerindian + 4/5 Caucasian

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/15/article-2658638-1ECD035F00000578-625_634x381.jpg



They are mixture of this

http://zoom50.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/diaguita-people.jpg


and this

http://cdn.vogue.com.au//media/articles/2/1/0/0/21021-1_l.jpg?134905

[Argentano]

A team led by Michael F. Seldin from the University of California, with members of scientific institutes from Argentina, the United States, Sweden and Guatemala, analyzed samples from 94 individuals and concluded that the average genetic structure of the Argentine population contains a 78.1% European contribution, 19.4% Amerindian contribution and 2.5% African contribution (using the Bayesian algorithm).[23]



the result is crap because we are not a homogeneous population..

i mean your "average" argie is a mix between this guy and this guy...but that guy doesent exist...they are 2

http://fmlatribuna.com.ar/2013/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Lucas-Biglia-seleccion.jpg

http://k37.kn3.net/taringa/1/8/4/4/9/4/25/peelukaa11/E55.jpg?3060

[ButlerKing]

most Argentinians look white, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did have mixed DNA.

Yes, I never once claimed they didn't look white which is why I always said they were the only true whites of South Americas.

In fact I was so surprised at first, now looking at these genetic results


They really don't look that different to Italians

http://www.trevorwright.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Argentian-roommates-685x6061.jpg

[RMuller]

How many of the Argentinian players have Amerindian blood?

[ButlerKing]

the result is crap because we are not a homogeneous population..

i mean your "average" argie is a mix between this guy and this guy...but that guy doesent exist...they are 2




Show me a study of pure Argentinian whites who were never contaminated by non-caucasian admixture.

[ButlerKing]

How many of the Argentinian players have Amerindian blood?

All of them should have at least 18-19% Amerindian blood. They may have European grandfather or Meztizo grandfather.

Vast majority of them look white but even they have substantial Amerindian admixture including a small percentages of African.


So far there isn't one single sample of Argentinian that doesn't show pure European, and those Argentinians who are as white as Italians ( blonde hair with blue eyes even ) are nearly 20% Amerindian.


A 2012 autosomal DNA study found out the following composition in Argentina: 65% european, 31% native american and 4% african [42]

[Smeagol]

Show me a study of pure Argentinian whites who were never contaminated by non-caucasian admixture.

Dude you clearly don't know what you're talking about here. There are plenty of Argentinians who are just Whites, but the population is not homogenous, so you can't test it as a whole. That would be like testing the entire population of the United States for example (Whites, blacks, Mestizos, etc), and claiming the results show the average Anerican is mixed Race, which is not the case...

[RMuller]

All of them should have at least 18-19% Amerindian blood.

Vast majority of them look white but even they have substantial Amerindian admixture including a small percentages of sub-saharan.

Dalitboy i wasn't asking you i was asking CMV88 and their is millions of Argentinians who are pure European.

[Scholarios]

shit I accidentally stepped in a Butler King thread.

[Also]

Of course the average argentinian won't be 100% euro, nor is the average american or canadian. I am not even sure the USA would be on average 80% european today like Argentina is.

[ButlerKing]

Dude you clearly don't know what you're talking about here. There are plenty of Argentinians who are just Whites, but the population is not homogenous, so you can't test it as a whole. That would be like testing the entire population of the United States for example (Whites, blacks, Mestizos, etc), and claiming the results show the average Anerican is mixed Race, which is not the case...


Sorry, there is no Argentian who are pure white ( it's very few and most likely recent )


The vast majority of the 90% of Argentinians are European descendants and claim to be white yet DNA shows them to be 20% Amerindian.

The minority are meztizo and mullatos
Red is pure European
Blue is pure Amerindian



European argentinians are mostly red with some Blue
Meztizo Argentians have more blue than red



http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p348087/Figure_3.gif


Non-European Argentinians

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/figures/1471-2156-12-77-1-l.jpg
Please show me the results.

[Also]

Sorry, there is no Argentian who are pure white.


The Pope, Jorge Bergoglio, and cmv88 are 100% italian.

[ButlerKing]

Of course the average argentinian won't be 100% euro, nor is the average american or canadian. I am not even sure the USA would be on average 80% european today like Argentina is.

Americans white have 1-2% non-white admixture.

Where as Argentinians whites are 18-22% non-white admixture


That's a huge difference.



Warning: The genetic table set up by cmv88 below ( is a table made by him, is not even a picture )



The study is more bullshit than a kid's study. ( because it's not authentic and it's full or errors )


I mean what the hell? Argentinians who are only 0.1 - 0.7% Middle easterner, when this component is found like 10-15% in South European and Italians. How more bullshit can it get?

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif


http://camerakidsphotography.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/down_arrow.png

[Argentano]

Dude you clearly don't know what you're talking about here. There are plenty of Argentinians who are just Whites, but the population is not homogenous, so you can't test it as a whole. That would be like testing the entire population of the United States for example (Whites, blacks, Mestizos, etc), and claiming the results show the average Anerican is mixed Race, which is not the case...

exactly...that is what people fails to understand..if you look at this 23andme results (i asked sikeliot and curupira to gather them so they are totally random) there isnt an average 70% euro argentine

the middle and upper class are way more euro than low class and slum people



Result Nr
User
Euro
Middle Eastern
Native American
African
Comment


14
Alpha
100







Curupira
100



User from Entre Rios


17
Curupira
100






2
Sikeliot
99.8
0.1





10
Curupira
99.8






16
Curupira
99.7






6
Sikeliot
99.6
0.1
0.1
0.2



13
Alpha
99
0.7
0.1




4
Sikeliot
98.8
1
0.1




7
Sikeliot
96.9
0.1
2
0.6



11
Curupira
94.4
0.4
4.3




1
Sikeliot
93.5
0.8
3.8
0.9



5
Sikeliot
92.8
0.2
6.4




15
Curupira
89.4
0.4
9
0.2




Cmv88
87

5
8
User Anakin


8
Curupira
83.4
2.2
10.7
2



12
Curupira
74.7
2.9
19.6
0.4



3
Sikeliot
74.1
1.6
20.4
0.4
HALF PERUVIAN



Curupira
66.5
0.9
28.4
0.1
User Crypto


9
Curupira
66.4
0.4
27.3
2.2




Curupira
62.6
10.4
27

User From Cordoba

[Also]

Where as Argentinians whites are 18-22% non-white admixture


Where is that?

[Argentano]

i was going to answer butlerking till i saw he said we have mulattos haha then i stopped reading..

[Friends of Oliver Society]

All of them should have at least 18-19% Amerindian blood.

Vast majority of them look white but even they have substantial Amerindian admixture including a small percentages of African.


So far there isn't one single sample of Argentinian that doesn't show pure European, and those Argentinians who are as white as Italians ( blonde hair with blue eyes even ) are nearly 20% Amerindian.

This is the averages for the whole country/regions (meaning you take in all the differing groups of the regions.) It doesn't mean the average for an individual.

Are you trolling or stupid?

[♥ Lily ♥]

Yeah I also noticed this yesterday and I was writing about this on another site after I saw so many swarthy looking Argentines and Brazilians in pictures I was looking at. When I see crowds of South Americans from Argentina and Brazil, nearly every single one of them looks Amerindian in so many of the pictures and videos I see.
North Americans like Canadians and US citizens have many more white people amongst them out of all of the American people in the American nations. Of the few so-called 'white' people I see in American nations like Brazil and Argentina, they've mostly got huge noses and yellowish-type skin like they're mixed. It's different to our small upturned noses and proper white skin. Some of them look white, but not many in the videos and pictures I often see of crowds of people from south American nations.
(America isn't a country, but continents).
Great Britain gives far too much in foreign aid money and funds to that colonised, mixed and underachieving nation of Argentina.
I don't care for charts or their claims about being white, I just know what I see with my own eyes in the crowds of thousands of people from those South American nations in news pictures and videos showing Argentines mostly looking Amerindian in the crowds.

[ButlerKing]

exactly...that is what people fails to understand..if you look at this 23andme results (i asked sikeliot and curupira to gather them so they are totally random) there isnt an average 70% euro argentine

the middle and upper class are way more euro than low class and slum people



Result Nr
User
Euro
Middle Eastern
Native American
African
Comment


14
Alpha
100







Curupira
100



User from Entre Rios


17
Curupira
100






2
Sikeliot
99.8
0.1





10
Curupira
99.8






16
Curupira
99.7






6
Sikeliot
99.6
0.1
0.1
0.2



13
Alpha
99
0.7
0.1




4
Sikeliot
98.8
1
0.1




7
Sikeliot
96.9
0.1
2
0.6



11
Curupira
94.4
0.4
4.3




1
Sikeliot
93.5
0.8
3.8
0.9



5
Sikeliot
92.8
0.2
6.4




15
Curupira
89.4
0.4
9
0.2




Cmv88
87

5
8
User Anakin


8
Curupira
83.4
2.2
10.7
2



12
Curupira
74.7
2.9
19.6
0.4



3
Sikeliot
74.1
1.6
20.4
0.4
HALF PERUVIAN



Curupira
66.5
0.9
28.4
0.1
User Crypto


9
Curupira
66.4
0.4
27.3
2.2




Curupira
62.6
10.4
27

User From Cordoba





Dude, you just made these table, is not even a list.


Why do you Argentina and white Brazilian wannabes always challenge authentic genetic results with your own provided genetic studies? ( who are properly more inaccurate than a kids study )


You guys are amateurs compared with professionals


How accurate are these genetic results made some random member on this forum versus real authentic genetic studies by famous scientist


Genetic shows Argentians Europeans are 18-20% non-white

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines_of_European_descent

Source: by E. Quiroga Micheo, Alicia B. Vilaseca, M. C. Bonder, E. R. Quiroga Vergara. 7º Congreso Argentino de Hematología, en Buenos Aires. Revista Medicina (Buenos Aires);48(4):355-60, 1988 Accessed on 14 February 2009.


Genetic shows Brazilian Europeans are 10-30% non-white

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Brazilian

Source: "Brazilian Journal of Medical and Biological Research - DNA tests probe the genomic ancestry of Brazilians". Scielo.br. Retrieved 2014-01-23.
Jump up ^ "BBC World Service - News - Black in Brazil: a question of identity". Bbc.co.uk. 2009-11-03. Retrieved 2014-01-23.
^ Jump up to: a b "Negros e pardos do Rio têm mais genes europeus do que imaginam, segundo estudo". Meionews.com.br. Retrieved 2014-01-23.
^ Jump up to: a b c [1][dead link]
Jump up ^ Ronald M. Glassman, William H. Swatos, and Barbara J. Denison (2004). "Social Problems in Global Perspective". University Press of America (Lanham, Maryland). ISBN 0-7618-2933-4. Retrieved 2009-12-13.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Americans white have 1-2% non-white admixture.

Where as Argentinians whites are 18-22% non-white admixture


That's a huge difference.

The huge difference is between a high school math student and yourself.

[RMuller]

Genetic shows Argentians Europeans are 18-20% non-white

Thats average. You get one Argentine who is 60% European and another Argentinian who is 100% European and your average Argentinian is 80% white. Among those tested many came out 100% european.

[ButlerKing]

What the hell? 98-100% Euro? If the Euro included middle easterner than I agree but what the hell Middle eastern is treated separately. So European Argentinians who are descendants of Italians have only 0.1 - 0.7% Middle eastern?

Yet the are Italian Europeans have 15 - 30% Middle easterner

( West Asian is hella more predominated in Middle east )

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif

[arcticwolf]

Didn't read. lol

Butlerking, I am expecting a thread "Punjabis more European, and whiter than Slavs latest study from Berkley, CA proves!". Don't disappoint me! :laugh:

[Also]

Genetic shows Argentians Europeans are 18-20% non-white

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines_of_European_descent

Source: by E. Quiroga Micheo, Alicia B. Vilaseca, M. C. Bonder, E. R. Quiroga Vergara. 7º Congreso Argentino de Hematología, en Buenos Aires. Revista Medicina (Buenos Aires. Revista Medicina (Buenos Aires);48(4):355-60, 1988 Accessed on 14 February 2009.

They didn't test exclusively white argentinians. They tested random people who were blood donors. And that's an average, it doesn't mean "pure" white argentinians do not exist.

[Argentano]

Dude, you just made these table, is not even a list.


Why do you Argentina and white Brazilian wannabes always challenge authentic genetic results with your own provided genetic studies? ( who are properly more as inaccurate than a kids study )


You guys are amateurs compared with professionals


How accurate are these genetic results made some random member on this forum versus real authentic genetic studies by famous scientist


Genetic shows Argentians Europeans are 18-20% non-white

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines_of_European_descent

Source: by E. Quiroga Micheo, Alicia B. Vilaseca, M. C. Bonder, E. R. Quiroga Vergara. 7º Congreso Argentino de Hematología, en Buenos Aires. Revista Medicina (Buenos Aires);48(4):355-60, 1988 Accessed on 14 February 2009.


Genetic shows Brazilian Europeans are 10-30% non-white

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Brazilian

Source: "Brazilian Journal of Medical and Biological Research - DNA tests probe the genomic ancestry of Brazilians". Scielo.br. Retrieved 2014-01-23.
Jump up ^ "BBC World Service - News - Black in Brazil: a question of identity". Bbc.co.uk. 2009-11-03. Retrieved 2014-01-23.
^ Jump up to: a b "Negros e pardos do Rio têm mais genes europeus do que imaginam, segundo estudo". Meionews.com.br. Retrieved 2014-01-23.
^ Jump up to: a b c [1][dead link]
Jump up ^ Ronald M. Glassman, William H. Swatos, and Barbara J. Denison (2004). "Social Problems in Global Perspective". University Press of America (Lanham, Maryland). ISBN 0-7618-2933-4. Retrieved 2009-12-13.



1) i took ALL the random 23andme results people posted and made a chart...how can that be wrong?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?128971-Argentine-23andme-results


2)i am not saying that AVERAGE Argentinian is not 78% euro.. i am saying that average argentinian doesent exist because our population is not homogeneous...middle and upper class people are +85% euro and low class people is +40 -70% euro

3) about that people being 100% euros or 90% euros i dont know, i cant know and i dont care..

it just pisses me off that people talkes about this average argentinian that doesent really exist or posts pictures of poor people from the slums as average argies..

i gave you a clear example in my first post...and is from the fotball team that is a mix between low class and low middle class...garay is probably low class and biglia middle class..and they couldnt be more different genetically..

[Feral]

i was going to answer butlerking till i saw he said we have mulattos haha then i stopped reading..

Lol, yeah. I read it and I was like what (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfHOTlLc5dQ). :icon_lol:

---

I'll quote myself:


This issue was already cleared in this forum. First, whiteness is nowadays more about pigmentation than european ancestry, for nescient people you know. Second, argentines that claim to be european, it's because they are, funny enough, this doesn't means that every argentinean of 'pure' europe ancestry actually knows about it, in fact, most of them aren't even aware of it. My best estimation would be to say that only 2/10 argentineans believe they're europeans even if they are mixed (<20% non-Euro), while 3/10, who also claim to be of euro ancestry, it's because they' are; the other half gives a crap.
Nevertheless, a predominantly racially and culturally european society will naturally identify as 'white'. However, If you believe a mixed argentinean in his right mind will claim to be european, the one who is delusional it's you.



You came insisting that argentineans on average claims to be european 'while they're not', even if two argentineans, with both some knowledge in racial and cultural matters and at least two decades living in Argentina (like, we born here, you know), are telling you that argentineans on average do not claim to be european unless they're or fully european or pred. european, being the first more likely to happend than the last. Like I told you, only 2/10 mixed argentineans (<20% non-E.) will claim to be european along with 3/10 fully european argentineans, while the rest wouldn't give a crap whether they are pred. Euro, full Euro or argentine-niggaz. (<-lel)
There's a survey that mentions that "86.4% of Argentina’s population self-identify as European descent". Let's read it again! It says: "self-identify as European descent". Does it says: "self-identify as an European person"? No, it doesn't. So, the question is: Should an 80% E. person not identify as an european descendant, then? And what is an argentine of 100% european ancestry that claims being european? A lier?. Again, if most argentines claims to be of european descent, is because it's like that. But it doesn't means that the people that claims are also claiming to be european of 100% E. ancestry, again, unless they actually are.

[Also]

Butlerking logic, the average argentinian is 20% non-white, therefore all white argentinians are about 20% non-white!
The average french is (let's say) 15% black, therefore white frenchs are 15% black. Makes sense.

[Felix Volkbein]

Great Britain gives far too much in foreign aid money and funds to that colonised, mixed and underachieving nation of Argentina.
I don't care for charts or their claims so much, I just know what I see in the crowds of people in pictures and videos.

Why do you hate Argies?

[ButlerKing]

1) i took ALL the random 23andme results people posted and made a chart...how can that be wrong?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?128971-Argentine-23andme-results


2)i am not saying that AVERAGE Argentinian is not 78% euro.. i am saying that average argentinian doesent exist because our population is not homogeneous...middle and upper class people are +85% euro and low class people is +40 -70% euro

3) about that people being 100% euros or 90% euros i dont know, i cant know and i dont care..

it just pisses me off that people talkes about this average argentinian that doesent really exist or posts pictures of poor people from the slums as average argies..

i gave you a clear example in my first post...and is from the fotball team that is a mix between low class and low middle class...garay is probably low class and biglia middle class..and they couldnt be more different genetically..


That was such a gay and funny study.


How are Argentinians only 0.1 - 0.7% Middle eastern when they are descendants from Europeans who have 10-30% West Asian and 5 - 15% Southwest Asian admixture?

Even the very Middle eastern Southwest DNA is like 5-10% on average on Italians who makes up 52% of Argentinian European descendants

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

[Felix Volkbein]

55 users browsing this thread.

lol successful troll is successful.

[Argentano]

Thats average. You get one Argentine who is 60% European and another Argentinian who is 100% European and your average Argentinian is 80% white. Among those tested many came out 100% european.

honestly is amazing he still didnt understand that ahhaha

[Also]

Why do you hate Argies?

Because of the Malvinas Isles, of the anti-catholicism that is deeply ingrained in english culture and because Buenos Aires looks whiter than London.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Why do you hate Argies?
Loads of reasons I was writing about on another site. I think seeing reports of Brazilians complaining about Argentines not washing themselves and pooping on the streets in Brazil was the final straw for me yesterday in a long list of annoying behaviour. Not to mention their hypocrisy over the Falkland Islands (Argentina is a colonised nation). The Falkland Islands is the main reason and the Dirty War in Argentina where religious nutcases stole babies from their political opponents. They have football cheats and don't seem to excel in highly cultivated sports that requires a lifetimes training like ballet and gymnastics and ice-skating, etc. The British introduced industrialisation to them and electricity and so many important things and they keep on attacking the English and are uncultivated and so ignorant about our nation. Plus crowds of Argentines made all these racial slurs against Chinese people in Brazil shown in news report pictures I saw yesterday and the Brazilians are complaining about the disgusting behaviour of Argentines in their nation. I don't like their hypocrisy over the Falkland Islands and the way Britain gives them so much money in foreign aid and funding help and yet they won't pay their debts and the money they owe to the UK and keep smashing-up British offices in Argentina and making anti-British protests. The British Council advises British people not to travel there when they do this in Argentina as it's not safe for Britons to go there during the anti-British protests. I don't see people in Britain smashing up Argentine companies or holding protests against Argentina. Every time I see news videos about Argentines behaving badly again, all I see is crowds of Amerindians.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

55 users browsing this thread.

lol successful troll is successful.

He's not trolling. He is actually this stupid.

[Also]

Loads of reasons I was writing about on another site. I think seeing reports of Brazilians complaining about Argentines not washing and pooping on the streets in Brazil was the final straw for me yesterday in a long list of annoying behaviour. Not to mention their hypocrisy over the Falkland Islands (Argentina is a colonised nation).

We did get some bad argentinian tourists, but bad behaviour is not particularly an argentinian thing.

[Armand_Duval]

After all what would it be of this site without Butlerking and Anglojew, if they were here no more I think I'd miss them...

[Kamal900]

He's not trolling. He is actually this stupid.

He's a desperate indian wanting attention, lol.

[ButlerKing]

honestly is amazing he still didnt understand that ahhaha

There is no Argentinian who are 100% European unless they were recent migrant

The genetic studies you provided with 100% Euro is obviously more bullshit than a kid's study because, your ancestors who were South Europeans Italian and Spanish were far from free of Middle east admixture, how can you Argentinian who have 20% Amerindian admixture have less than 1% Middle easterner admixture?

It is truely a bullshit result it's no wonder wikipedia would never let that crap be edited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Latin_America




Genetic studies

Argentina


A 2009 autosomal DNA study found the Argentine population 78.5 percent European, 17.3 percent Native American and 4.2 percent sub-Saharan African.[41]


A 2012 autosomal DNA study found out the following composition in Argentina: 65% european, 31% native american and 4% african [42]

[Argentano]

There is no Argentinian who are 100% European unless they were recent migrant

The genetic studies you provided with 100% Euro is obviously more bullshit than a kid's study because if your ancestors who are South Europeans Italian and Spanish were far from free of Middle east admixture, you Argentian who have 20% Amerindian admixture have less than 1% Middle easterner admixture?

It is truely a bullshit result it's no wonder wikipedia would never let that crap be edited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Latin_America




Genetic studies

Argentina


A 2009 autosomal DNA study found the Argentine population 78.5 percent European, 17.3 percent Native American and 4.2 percent sub-Saharan African.[41]


A 2012 autosomal DNA study found out the following composition in Argentina: 65% european, 31% native american and 4% african [42]

i made a chart with 23andme results...the company everybody here uses to test their ancestry.

the low middle eastern could be due to the middle eastern going to italian as the italian sample is mostly sicilian, calabrian

that 2012 study is crap...it takes the most amerind province Salta (repersentative of 2% of argie population, 5% if we add Salta and Jujuy that are similar) as representative of 17% of argie popluation..

That study also doesent uses real northeasterns (like 2009 study) but people living in buenos aires with northeastern ancestry (mostly low class people)..


feel free to check the study if you dont believe me

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0034695

[arcticwolf]

There is no Argentinian who are 100% European unless they were recent migrant

The genetic studies you provided with 100% Euro is obviously more bullshit than a kid's study because, your ancestors who were South Europeans Italian and Spanish were far from free of Middle east admixture, how can you Argentinian who have 20% Amerindian admixture have less than 1% Middle easterner admixture?

It is truely a bullshit result it's no wonder wikipedia would never let that crap be edited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Latin_America




Genetic studies

Argentina


A 2009 autosomal DNA study found the Argentine population 78.5 percent European, 17.3 percent Native American and 4.2 percent sub-Saharan African.[41]


A 2012 autosomal DNA study found out the following composition in Argentina: 65% european, 31% native american and 4% african [42]

Butlerking, why don't you do some basic research.

Here are snippet on Polish immigration to Argentina, I don't know about others as I do not care

A Polish Argentine (Spanish: polaco-argentino) is an Argentine citizen of full or partial Polish ancestry or a Poland-born person who resides in Argentina. Poland was the fourth largest net migrants contributor after Italy, Spain and Germany. Although it is hard to give an exact number of Polish immigrants to Argentina, as those who immigrated before 1919 carried German, Austrian or Russian passport, it is estimated that between 1921 and 1976, 169,335 Poles permanently settled in the country.[2] Today there are between 500,000 and 1 million Argentines of Polish descent.[3] The Polish minority in Argentina is both one of the most significant minorities in Argentina and one of the largest groups of Polish minority.


So, there must be some so called white people, as Poles are highly genetically European, as a matter of fact you can only be more European if you are Belorussian, or Lithuanian. Do some basic looking around before you say something ridiculous.

[Kamal900]

There is no Argentinian who are 100% European unless they were recent migrant

The genetic studies you provided with 100% Euro is obviously more bullshit than a kid's study because, your ancestors who were South Europeans Italian and Spanish were far from free of Middle east admixture, how can you Argentinian who have 20% Amerindian admixture have less than 1% Middle easterner admixture?

It is truely a bullshit result it's no wonder wikipedia would never let that crap be edited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Latin_America




Genetic studies

Argentina


A 2009 autosomal DNA study found the Argentine population 78.5 percent European, 17.3 percent Native American and 4.2 percent sub-Saharan African.[41]


A 2012 autosomal DNA study found out the following composition in Argentina: 65% european, 31% native american and 4% african [42]

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[ButlerKing]

i made a chart with 23andme results...the company everybody here uses to test their ancestry.

the low middle eastern could be due to the middle eastern going to italian as the italian sample is mostly sicilian, calabrian

that 2012 study is crap...it takes the most amerind province Salta (repersentative of 2% of argie population, 5% if we add Salta and Jujuy that are similar) as representative of 17% of argie popluation..

That study also doesent uses real northeasterns (like 2009 study) but people living in buenos aires with northeastern ancestry (mostly low class people)..


Yes.... every study that shows Argentinians being 18% , 19.5%, 31% Amerindian is crap :picard2: even though they are sourced and provided by respectable scientists

Where as studies made by some latin American white wannabe member ( amateurs ) are more accurate? ( God nows how accurate your studies were )

There is no way Latin Americans are less Middle eastern than European. The table you made was a major error and is proof that none of your sampled studies should be trusted.

[Sikeliot]

Argentines I have seen on 23andme almost all score 90%+ European.

[curupira]

There are many Argentines who are fully or near fully european. The study was saying the whole country of Argentina is about ~80% euro, which is different. Do you think present day US is as euro as that??? I think it is likely not.


Yes.... every study that shows Argentinians being 18% , 19.5%, 31% Amerindian is crap :picard2: even though they are sourced and provided by respectable scientists

Where as studies made by some latin American white wannabe member ( amateurs ) are more accurate? ( God nows how accurate your studies were )

There is no way Latin Americans are less Middle eastern than European. The table you made was a major error and is proof that none of your sampled studies should be trusted.

[Argentano]

Yes.... every study that shows Argentinians being 18% , 19.5%, 31% Amerindian is crap :picard2:

Where as studies made by some latin American white wannabe member is more accurate? ( God nows how accurate your studies were )

There is no way Latin Americans are less Middle eastern than European.


what i said is true..go check it

i didnt do a study...23andme did it...are you retarded?and some italians who have results similar to calabrians and sicilians score 100% italian

i am a little lost...do u think i photoshoped those 23andme results, gave them to sikeliot and curupira and them made the list?



AND AGAIN...I AM NOT SAYING 2009 STUDY IS WRONG(2012 yes, too many errors)...I AM SAYING THAT 79% EURO IS AN AVERAGE AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF BOTH GROUPS YOU FIND HERE..THE PRED EURO +85% MIDDLE CLASS AND THE MESTIZO 40-70% LOW CLASS

[Feral]

ButtlerKing it's right. In fact, here's a proof that argentines are actually black:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GRQRolR5OY

[ButlerKing]

There are many Argentines who are fully or near fully european. The study was saying the whole country of Argentina is about ~80% euro, which is different. Do you think present day US is as euro as that??? I think it is likely not.

Argentines of European descent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines_of_European_descent

85% – 97% of total Argentine population



Argentine is a country that is almost to fully European descendants.

Where as Argentine Meztizos only make up a puny 1.5% of Argentines population

Yet genetic studies still shows they are 18 - 31% Amerindian.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Bullshit, lol. Your comments here are ignorant. Only the Americans are true "whites"? Bullshit. Lol And let me tell you, many Argentines are more white than white Americans like Johnny Depp, Heather Locklear, Chuck Norris, Tommy Lee Jones and Cindy Crawford who All have Native Americsn indian ancestry, but are seen as "white" in the U.S.. White lol, that's a joke. White Americans are AdMixed!!

[ButlerKing]

what i said is true..go check it

i didnt do a study...23andme did it...are you retarded?and some italians who have results similar to calabrians and sicilians score 100% italian

i am a little lost...do u think i photoshoped those 23andme results, gave them to sikeliot and curupira and them made the list?



AND AGAIN...I AM NOT SAYING 2009 STUDY IS WRONG(2012 yes, too many errors)...I AM SAYING THAT 79% EURO IS AN AVERAGE AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF BOTH GROUPS YOU FIND HERE..THE PRED EURO +85% MIDDLE CLASS AND THE MESTIZO 40-70% LOW CLASS


Umm...... do you even know the demographic of Argentines?

???????????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine

European descendants 82.9%,[11] to as high as 97%[12] of Argentina's population.

Arabs and Argentines with partial Arab ancestry comprise around 2.9%

Mestizo Argentines 1.5%

[curupira]

Argentines of European descent
Argentine is a country that is almost to fully European descendants.

Where as Argentine Meztizos only make up a puny 1.5% of Argentines population

Yet genetic studies still shows they are 18 - 31% Amerindian.

My comment still stands. Do you think the total average euro input of the US is as high as the studies are showing Argentina to be? Keep in mind not only the 40 to 50 million African Americans, but also the 40 to 50 million Mexicans, Central Americans and Caribbeans who live in the US and... East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians and Africans themselves.

[Kamal900]

Argentines of European descent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines_of_European_descent

85% – 97% of total Argentine population



Argentine is a country that is almost to fully European descendants.

Where as Argentine Meztizos only make up a puny 1.5% of Argentines population

Yet genetic studies still shows they are 18 - 31% Amerindian.

You forgot the levantine druze and maronites that are living in the country(syro-lebanese argentines). Not sure if there are any cypriots in the country though.

[Sikeliot]

You forgot the levantine druze and maronites that are living in the country(syro-lebanese argentines). Not sure if there are any cypriots in the country though.

Genetics and phenotype aside, Cypriots don't identify as Levantine or Middle Eastern so they wouldn't be likely to indicate it when filling out their ethnicity.

[ButlerKing]

My comment still stands. Do you think the total average euro input of the US is as high as the studies are showing Argentina to be? Keep in mine not only the 40 to 50 million African Americans, but also the 40 to 50 million Mexicans, Central Americans and Caribbeans who live in the US and... East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians and Africans themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American

Admixture



"
Some White Americans have varying amounts of American Indian and Sub-Saharan African ancestry. In a recent study, Gonçalves et al. 2007 reported Sub-Saharan and Amerindian mtDna lineages at a frequency of 3.1% (respectively 0.90% and 2.2%) in White Americans of European descent.[52] DNA analysis on White Americans by geneticist Mark D. Shriver showed an average of 0.7% Sub-Saharan African admixture and 3.2% Native American admixture.[53] In another study, about 30% of all White Americans, approximately 66 million people, have a median of 2.3% of Black African admixture.[54] "


That's nothing, that's only a few percent.


Compared with you South American white's..... you are 8 x to 20x more non-white

[Kamal900]

Genetics and phenotype aside, Cypriots don't identify as Levantine or Middle Eastern so they wouldn't be likely to indicate it when filling out their ethnicity.

Hmm, true, but its kinda weird though, but i think they're like the Turks and the Armenians(they dont identify themselves as middle easterners).

[curupira]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American

Compared with you South American white's..... you are 8 x to 20x more non-white

Did you not understand what I said? The study on Argentina is about the whole country. Your study is about WASP Americans.

Do you think the total average euro input of the US is as high as the studies are showing Argentina to be? Keep in mind not only the 40 to 50 million African Americans, but also the 40 to 50 million Mexicans, Central Americans and Caribbeans who live in the US and... East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians and Africans themselves.

[ButlerKing]

Did you not understand what I said? The study in Argentina is about the whole country. Your study is about WASP Americans.

Do you think the total average euro input of the US is as high as the studies are showing Argentina to be? Keep in mine not only the 40 to 50 million African Americans, but also the 40 to 50 million Mexicans, Central Americans and Caribbeans who live in the US and... East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians and Africans themselves.

I don't get your question.

By US, don't you mean White Americans only. Of course White Americans have much higher euro input than any Argentinian white.

[Argentano]

Umm...... do you even know the demographic of Argentines?

???????????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine

European descendants 82.9%,[11] to as high as 97%[12] of Argentina's population.

Arabs and Argentines with partial Arab ancestry comprise around 2.9%

Mestizo Argentines 1.5%


i tell you that is demograpics are crap (not your fault..my governament fault)...mestizo argentines are much more than that...again

"white" argentines +85% european are probably 60-70% of the argentine population and mestizo argentines +40-70% euro are probably 40-30 % of the population

[Argentano]

I don't get your question.

By US, don't you mean White Americans only. Of course White Americans have much higher euro input than any Argentinian white.

what he is trying to make you understand is that average argentinian doesent exist the same way average american doesent exist...

you cannot compare white american with average argentinian

[Kamal900]

what he is trying to make you understand is that average argentinian doesent exist the same way average american doesent exist...

you cannot compare white american with average argentinian

He's just sad that he didnt get to drink some cow urine.

[Kamal900]

This whole thread is pointless.

[ButlerKing]

what he is trying to make you understand is that average argentinian doesent exist the same way average american doesent exist...

you cannot compare white american with average argentinian

Why are you South American white's so indenial of your blood and DNA. There is multiple autosomal DNA + haplogroup DNA done of American whites and Argentian whites.

It shows you Argentinians white's have like nearly 50-69% non-caucasoid mtDNA in addition with 3 - 13% Non-caucasoid Y-DNA. Where as American white have both Y-DNA and mtDNA at nearly 100% Caucasoid.

I believe you South American white's have either huge inferiority complex or want to be accepted by Europeans.

[Argentano]

Why are you South American white's so indenial of your blood and DNA. There is multiple autosomal DNA + haplogroup DNA done of American whites and Argentian whites.

It shows you Argentinians white's have like nearly 50-69% non-caucasoid mtDNA in addition with 3 - 13% Non-caucasoid Y-DNA. Where as American white have both Y-DNA and mtDNA at nearly 100% Caucasoid.

I believe you South American white's have either huge inferiority complex or want to be accepted by Europeans.

no, thats a lie...here we dont make a distintion between white and not white so all the genetical studies have been made on the whole population...there is not study on "white argentinians" alone

[ButlerKing]

no, thats a lie...here we dont make a distintion between white and not white so all the genetical studies have been made on the whole population...there is not study on "white argentinians" alone

And I it says 97% of Argentine are European white where as only 1.5% are Meztizos.

Why do you deny government statistics alone with your genetic studies? why are you so in-denial?

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Why are you South American white's so indenial of your blood and DNA. There is multiple autosomal DNA + haplogroup DNA done of American whites and Argentian whites.

It shows you Argentinians white's have like nearly 50-69% non-caucasoid mtDNA in addition with 3 - 13% Non-caucasoid Y-DNA. Where as American white have both Y-DNA and mtDNA at nearly 100% Caucasoid.

I believe you South American white's have either huge inferiority complex or want to be accepted by Europeans.

The problem is you don't understand what you read and don't understand basic math. More than one person has explained your error to you and it's not a difficult concept to understand. For your sake I hope you are trolling because if not... you have a very difficult life ahead of you.

[Kamal900]

Why are you South American white's so indenial of your blood and DNA. There is multiple autosomal DNA + haplogroup DNA done of American whites and Argentian whites.

It shows you Argentinians white's have like nearly 50-69% non-caucasoid mtDNA in addition with 3 - 13% Non-caucasoid Y-DNA. Where as American white have both Y-DNA and mtDNA at nearly 100% Caucasoid.

I believe you South American white's have either huge inferiority complex or want to be accepted by Europeans.

So? Argentinian europeans are still white, and really, if the lineages of the maternal side in most argentines are non-white(native) so what? You think that being white in Argentina is the same as in America? Most argentines are predominately genetically europeans, despite if the admixture came mostly during the colonial period(between a euro male and a native female). They have every right to call themselves whites, unlike your people who keep using fair and lovely creams, and worshiping and marrying ME females(which most dont want to marry with indians, lol), and etc. So please, stop trolling the forum with pointless threads like these, it will not help elevate your people.

[ButlerKing]

The problem is you don't understand what you read and don't understand basic math. More than one person has explained your error to you and it's not a difficult concept to understand. For your sake I hope you are trolling because if not... you have a very difficult life ahead of you.

My errors? These are authentic results. I merely pasted them here after having read.

By way Colonel Frank Grimes, are you a a spanish gypsy ?

[RMuller]

I believe you South American white's have either huge inferiority complex or want to be accepted by Europeans.

Indian South Asians like you have a huge inferiority complex.

[Argentano]

And I it says 97% of Argentine are European white where as only 1.5% are Meztizos.

Why do you deny government statistics alone with your genetic studies? why are you so in-denial?

i told you 2 minutes ago...my governament has a shitty statistic that says that 97% of argies are european when that is crap...

real argentina is 60-70% "white" and 40-30% mestiza...

the same way our governament doesent force people to choose mestizo in a census, they are not forced to say they are mestizo or white in a genetic test...all the genetic tests done on all types of argentines

before saying some retard response, why dont you check the studies? none will say that the study in made on "white" argentines..

are you aware that you are almost saying this 2 guys are whites argentines and then 78% euro?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Esteban_Cambiasso.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7kpz4lu9Rgg/UjOOoS3jBoI/AAAAAAAAAr0/HxMgooEOBPI/s1600/182373.png

[ButlerKing]

So? Argentinian europeans are still white, and really, if the lineages of the maternal side in most argentines are non-white(native) so what? You think that being white in Argentina is the same as in America? Most argentines are predominately genetically europeans, despite if the admixture came mostly during the colonial period(between a euro male and a native female). They have every right to call themselves whites, unlike your people who keep using fair and lovely creams, and worshiping and marrying ME females(which most dont want to marry with indians, lol), and etc. So please, stop trolling the forum with pointless threads like these, it will not help elevate your people.

Argentinians are not any more white than a American guy claiming to be 17 - 30% Negro.

Argentinians whites are racially 1/5 to 1/3 non-white

Where as American whites are 10/10 white.




Argentinians population today are more like a mixture of Europeans and Meztizo/Caztizos although the roots are from euro male-native females but the mix race population who grew way out of the proportion of European and natives, and later massive new waves of migrants mixed with the meztizos.

[ButlerKing]

i told you 2 minutes ago...my governament has a shitty statistic that says that 97% of argies are european when that is crap...

real argentina is 60-70% "white" and 40-30% mestiza...

the same way our governament doesent force people to choose mestizo in a census, they are not forced to say they are mestizo or white in a genetic test...all the genetic tests done on all types of argentines

before saying some retard response, why dont you check the studies? none will say that the study in made on "white" argentines..

are you aware that you are almost saying this 2 guys are whites argentines and then 78% euro?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Esteban_Cambiasso.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7kpz4lu9Rgg/UjOOoS3jBoI/AAAAAAAAAr0/HxMgooEOBPI/s1600/182373.png



Oh...... so your government have shitty statistic.

And where did you get this 30-40% Meztiza :rolleyes: even your highest is but 6.5%, I think you make up your own statistic and genetics to fit your own agenda's.


Some Argentinians are only 69% Euro not only 78% Euro so it's not surprising there are Argentinians that look like the 2nd picture.

[Kamal900]

Argentinians are not any more white than a American guy claiming to be 17 - 30% Negro.

Argentinians whites are racially 1/5 to 1/3 non-white

Where as American whites are 10/10 white.




Argentinians population today are more like a mixture of Europeans and Meztizo/Caztizos although the roots are from euro male-native females but the mix race population who grew way out of the proportion of European and natives, and later massive new waves of migrants mixed with the meztizos.

Are you for real? your comparing someone who is 25% black to someone who is 15% amerindian? lol, you should see martinv, he's 10 percent Amerindian, and he looks very white. Amerindian genes are easily diluted, unlike the negro and austroloid genes which you indians greatly have(heavy dravidian admixture). Hell, my distant cousins for example are half mestizo, and yet, they look full racially caussian, while if you mix someone who is mulatto(half black), the child would look like creamy black. Most white argentines on average are 90 percent european with little amerinidan blood(even there's a lot of them dont have any even), but they still look very white. Listen bengali, i know that you feel ashamed about your austroloid blood and all, but please, stop trolling the forum so much. First you were trolling Asians, and now your trolling white latin americans?

India will forever remain a shit hole, so keep dreaming about india's past civilization, while china becomes the center of asian economic power house. I dont know why pakis dont have the same mentality as you people.

[ButlerKing]

Are you for real? your comparing someone who is 25% black to someone who is 15% amerindian? lol, you should see martinv, he's 10 percent Amerindian, and he looks very white. Amerindian genes are easily diluted, unlike the negro and austroloid genes which you indians greatly have(heavy dravidian admixture). Hell, my distant cousins for example are half mestizo, and yet, they look full racially caussian, while if you mix someone who is mulatto(half black), the child would look like creamy black. Most white argentines on average are 90 percent european with little amerinidan blood(even there's a lot of them dont have any even), but they still look very white. Listen bengali, i know that you feel ashamed about your austroloid blood and all, but please, stop trolling the forum so much. First you were trolling Asians, and now your trolling white latin americans?

India will forever remain a shit hole, so keep dreaming about past india's civilization, while china becomes the center of asian economic power house.


It means you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover


These two are half ( 50% ) Koreans and yet they look like full blooded caucasians even their bodies however they are pro-Koreans and don't identify with whites

http://www.halfkorean.com/interviews/images/kang_denis_003.jpg
http://ktopia.net/images/stars/julienkang.png
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm96/javabeans122/drama/2009/other/dream1.jpg

[Smaug]

Closed. Stop trolling South Americans you Indian cunt.