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Murphy
02-20-2010, 07:11 PM
Inspired by this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2130&highlight=Dogs) story here, I want to bring up the subject of breed-specific legislation.

Now, although the above mentioned story is a tragic accent, a few things should be kept in mind. No dog should ever and I repeat ever be left alone and unsupervised with young children. It doesn't matter how long you have had the dog, you could have had the dog for 10 years and it could be of upstanding character, all it takes is that brief second when you leave your child in the living-room to pop into the kitchen for a second, and then tragedy strikes.

A dog is a dog, it will behave like a dog. You cannot expect it to behave like a human.

Another thing. Dogs very and I must emphasise this, very rarely attack without any sign or indication. There is always an indication. You must learn to read a dog's body language.

To the point then, a few people were mentioning specific breeds as dangerous. This I think is ridiculous. Blame the deed not the breed. I think it is appropriate to mention there is a big difference between dog-dog aggression and dog-human aggression. These are two vastly different things that not a lot of people understand. Staffordshire Bull Terriers for example tend to be quite dog-dog aggressive. Most responsible owners of Staffies tend to carry break-sticks around with them for this reason. However, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are amazingly human-affectionate dogs. They make great family pets and thrive around children. Were Staffordshire Bull Terriers bred to be fighting dogs? Of course. That is exactly why they had to be people-friendly. It wouldn't have done well in a pit-fight for the dogs to turn on all those drunken gamblers, would it?

I can say with complete honesty, that if there was ever an instance where I had to leave my child unsupervised with a dog, I would be my comfortable in the knowledge that it was a Staffy than I would any other dog.

Rottweilers were another breed of dog that was slammed. Rottweilers tend to be much less dog-dog aggressive than Staffies though they are above average in general. These are of the working dog variety. A Rottweiler should not be human aggressive. A Rottweiler is not as open with its affection as Staffies. They have a calm, self-assured demeanor with a "wait-and-see" attitude. This is why they are not so quick to show their affection or rather should not be. As a guard dog, they are there to alert you and to try and bluff their way through life. They should assess a threat and take time to consider. They will bark and they will place themselves in front of their owner if it senses a threat, but rarely should a Rottweiler actually attack. In fact, tests prove a Rottweiler is more likely to run. Why? Because it is a dog and its self-preservation instincts are strong. As much as people would wish to know their dog will come to the rescue, chances are it wont and should not be relied on for that. Anyway, as I was saying.. if a Rottweiler was human-aggressive, then every human would be considered a threat. That completely destroys its entire purpose. These are intelligent dogs, they know the difference between a drunken lout and a passing postman.

This has turned into a longer post that I had planned, so I will not even get into the part poor breeding by, as Americans say, "back yard breeders". Breeding dogs that do not even try to reach the breed standard. I also think certain things are a little self evidence.. like the owners responsibility to train their dogs, make sure they are well socialised, Kennel Club registered etc.

So, what is your opinion on breed-specific legislation?


BLAME THE DEED, NOT THE BREED!

Regards,
The Papist.

Grumpy Cat
02-20-2010, 07:16 PM
So, what is your opinion on breed-specific legislation?



I think they're a crock of shit. I have a pit bull who would never hurt anyone. She is the sweetest dog you'd ever meet and she loves kids, but still she is banned in some places. I can't stand the people who use pit bulls for dog fighting, they torture them pretty much.

I've been bitten by cocker spaniels more often than pit bulls or other so-called "aggressive dogs". I hate those things, they are vicious!

Murphy
02-20-2010, 07:20 PM
I think they're a crock of shit. I have a pit bull who would never hurt anyone. She is the sweetest dog you'd ever meet and she loves kids, but still she is banned in some places. I can't stand the people who use pit bulls for dog fighting, they torture them pretty much.

I've been bitten by cocker spaniels more often than pit bulls or other so-called "aggressive dogs". I hate those things, they are vicious!

I don't know much about Pit Bulls besides what I have read off from forums etc., and although the Pit Bull does not have a breed standard, that I am aware of, I assume they are rather close with Staffordshire Bull Terriers. So I have no trouble believing they are just as human-friendly, especially with young ones, as Staffies :).

I think over all, owning a pet should be a privilege and not a right. So I do believe that a dog-owner should be licensed. But not for the breed that they own.

Regards,
The Papist.

Nordish Persephone
02-20-2010, 07:30 PM
I'm sure there are many nice pit bull dogs, but in my area they are really a problem. Rednecks use them as guard dogs and sometimes don't secure them properly. I have heard many news stories about how this breed has escaped from its owners property and gotten out and attacked people. So, it is IMO a hazard that has to be dealt with properly because it is so terrible when someone gets attacked by one. So I think these laws are a good precaution because people's safety comes before discriminating against a breed. I'm not saying that other breeds don't bite people, but a breed of dog bred to fight can do worse things than that, like attack a person and tear up their face.

Murphy
02-20-2010, 07:36 PM
I'm sure there are many nice pit bull dogs, but in my area they are really a problem. Rednecks use them as guard dogs and sometimes don't secure them properly. I have heard many news stories about how this breed has escaped from its owners property and gotten out and attacked people. So, it is IMO a hazard that has to be dealt with properly because it is so terrible when someone gets attacked by one. So I think these laws are a good precaution because people's safety comes before discriminating against a breed. I'm not saying that other breeds don't bite people, but a breed of dog bred to fight can do worse things than that, like attack a person and tear up their face.

But fighting dogs, as in dogs whose heritage is in the fighting arenas of old, should not be human-aggressive. It is considered a serious fault within their breed standard. Dog-aggressive yes But as I said, these are two different things.

Most of what apparently pass as Staffordshire Bull Terriers, and I will assume the same of the Pit Bull, are nothing of the sort. Most fall far out of the breed standard, have poor breeding over all, probably been fed steroids from day one that does God-knows what to them..

Dogs are our property, we are responsible for them. Blaming the dog for the failings of the owner is just wrong. The owner must take the responsibility he owes to society.

Regards,
The Papist.

Sarmata
02-20-2010, 08:01 PM
But fighting dogs, as in dogs whose heritage is in the fighting arenas of old, should not be human-aggressive. It is considered a serious fault within their breed standard. Dog-aggressive yes But as I said, these are two different things.

Most of what apparently pass as Staffordshire Bull Terriers, and I will assume the same of the Pit Bull, are nothing of the sort. Most fall far out of the breed standard, have poor breeding over all, probably been fed steroids from day one that does God-knows what to them..

Dogs are our property, we are responsible for them. Blaming the dog for the failings of the owner is just wrong. The owner must take the responsibility he owes to society.

Regards,
The Papist.

My friend had Amstaf once...I'm sorry but it was the most stupid beast that I ever saw, my friend tried trained dog(with professionals) but it was only wasteing of time and money. When dog had over 2 years he tried "eat" his parents(very nice and level-headed people) so dog was "putted to sleep"

Murphy
02-20-2010, 08:15 PM
My friend had Amstaf once...I'm sorry but it was the most stupid beast that I ever saw, my friend tried trained dog(with professionals) but it was only wasteing of time and money. When dog had over 2 years he tried "eat" his parents(very nice and level-headed people) so dog was "putted to sleep"

What was the background of the dog?

Regards,
The Papist.

Sarmata
02-20-2010, 08:26 PM
What was the background of the dog?

Regards,
The Papist.

I don't know but my friend payed good price for his dog. I think that he had pedigree or something like that...

Germanicus
02-20-2010, 08:34 PM
My Dogs are Pedigree KC registered Staffordshire Bull Terriers, they have both attained intermediate obedience certificates, they have been solcialised with other dogs and importantly with human adults and children.
The owners of any dog has a duty to train the dog in obedience, a dog that does as it pleases is a dangerous dog, with an irresponsible owner.
My dogs i love, and have brought them up as members of my family; not a hand has been raised to them in anyway and they both are friendly and well balanced mentally.
When we went to see Brody at 2 wks old as a puppy at the breeders, we saw his parents, both had excellent temperments and were family pets, not from a back yard breeder.
Poppy also came a reputed breeder and her parents were also family pets.
Her father was runner up in terrier class in last years crufts.
Some sort of regulation must be enforced for dangerous breeds, a licence and a certificate in basic obedience and socialising would ensure proper ownership of all dogs, microchipping should be law in the UK.
Brody was my first Staffie i have ever owned, he is very obedient and very gentle; the Staffy has had bad press for being aggressive;but so can any breed of dog, yes they can be fearsome if not taught to obey the pack leader human.
In my opinion, you only get out of your dog what training you put into it.

Here is my 2 furry children....judge for yourselves.

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Tabiti
02-21-2010, 08:26 AM
There are no dangerous breeds, but dangerous dog owners.