Terrorists are 2848% more likely to be killed in Gaza than civilians

[Anglojew]

Lately I’ve encountered many who claim that the IDF is attacking Palestinians “indiscriminately”. Watching Al Jazeera one can see that the majority of those who were killed in Gaza were young men. This does not go hand in hand with the claim that the killing is random, considering Gaza’s demographics.

With that in mind, yours truly decided to carry out some simple calculations in order to test the claim that the IDF kills combatants and civilians indiscriminately.

First, let us look at the size of the population in Gaza, which is estimated at 1,805,000 (based on the 2010 census + extrapolated population growth).

The size of the various armed organizations in the Gaza strip is estimated at 25,000. This is also the figure the Hamas boasts (the Zionists have larger estimates, but why trust them?)

Therefore the number of uninvolved civilians in Gaza is 1,780,000.

At this point, according to the press, the number of Palestinian casualties in Gaza is 572, with 28% being combatants and 72% being civilians.

Therefore, as simple calculation shows that the odds for being killed by the IDF is 0.0064 if you’re a combatant/terrorist and 0.000247 if you’re a non-involved civilian.

That means your odds of being killed by the IDF if you’re a Hamas terrorist (or combatant, depending on one’s point of view) is 28.48 times greater than if you’re a civilian. It appears that there is a very cut and clear distinction with the IDF specifically going after Hamas and not civilians.

Some people, not familiar with the basics of the science of probability may ask, “So how come there are more dead civilians than combatants?” The answer is simple. Most of the people in Gaza are non-involved civilians. The terrorists are only 0.0138% of the population.

Consider this: Had the IDF truly been killing people indiscriminately in Gaza, considering there are only 0.00138% Hamas terrorists in Gaza, one would expect to see only 0.070 dead terrorists out of the total of 572 fatalities.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/terrorists-are-2848-more-likely-to-be.html

[Incal]

lol

[Rudel]

Three civilian casualties for every alleged terrorist or combatant isn't acceptable, period.

[alfieb]

Three civilian casualties per every alleged terrorist or combatant isn't acceptable, period.

There isn't much alternative when the terrorists are essentially using civilians as human shields.

When Bin Laden was assassinated (or murdered, your choice) by the U.S. Military, anyone in that building, including women and children, was going to die. Most of them were unarmed. It didn't matter.

That's war.

[Queen B]

Yeah, that's why there civilian casualties are 80% out of 550 .:picard2:

[alfieb]

Yeah, that's why there civilian casualties are 80% out of 550 .:picard2:

When you consider how few people in Gaza are terrorists, 20% is a high number. That implies that Israel are targeting terrorists, rather than just bombing completely indiscriminately. Of course it is morally wrong to kill innocent people. That's not the discussion.

[Queen B]

When you consider how few people in Gaza are terrorists, 20% is a high number. That implies that Israel are targeting terrorists, rather than just bombing completely indiscriminately. Of course it is morally wrong to kill innocent people. That's not the discussion.
Wrong.
When they bomb beaches where kids are playing soccer. When they bomb houses full of people, when they bomb schools, THIS is indiscriminately.

From the casualties of this war we have 27 Israeli militans and 2 civilians (5 if you add the 3 teens)
And we have 572 Palestinians and 130 of them militans.

Guess who is the one who is targetting indiscriminately.

[alfieb]

Wrong.
When they bomb beaches where kids are playing soccer. When they bomb houses full of people, when they bomb schools, THIS is indiscriminately.

From the casualties of this war we have 27 Israeli militans and 2 civilians (5 if you add the 3 teens)
And we have 572 Palestinians and 130 of them militans.

Guess who is the one who is targetting indiscriminately.
False analogy.

Hamas are shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel that would be killing randomly, but the Israeli iron dome shoots them down before they can do any damage. You blame Israel both for their effectiveness in bombing AND for Hamas' ineffectiveness at doing the same.

[silver_surfer]

I trust UN sources. “Four out of every five Palestinians killed during Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza have been civilians, including dozens of women and children, the United Nations said on Monday."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10967279/UN-80-per-cent-of-Palestinians-killed-in-Israeli-offensive-are-civilians.html

A crime was commited when three Israelis were murdered, so rather than tracking down and arresting the perpetrators, the Israeli government decided to use their military to target an entire region. Even if they only targeted the elected governement of that region, it would at absolute best be a morally unconscionable overreaction.

[Queen B]

False analogy.
Hamas are shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel that would be killing randomly, but the Israeli iron dome shoots them down before they can do any damage. You blame Israel both for their effectiveness in bombing AND for Hamas' ineffectiveness at doing the same.
27 militant deaths and 2 civilian.
See the numbers ???
Or Israel is ineffective to shoot down only the rockets directed to civilians? :picard2:

I blame Israel for killing indiscriminately, bombing hospitals, open spaces like beaches, schools.

[alfieb]

Even if they only targeted the elected governement of that region

The elected government are Hamas terrorists whose constitution includes that the Jews must be exterminated.

I wouldn't shed one tear for the systematic destruction of the Gaza government. The West Bank government, however, are legitimate.

[EyeOfTheTiger]

27 militant deaths and 2 civilian.
See the numbers ???
Or Israel is ineffective to shoot down only the rockets directed to civilians? :picard2:

I blame Israel for killing indiscriminately, bombing hospitals, open spaces like beaches, schools.

There are like 300 injured israelis by those rockets. You think those rocket dont hurt? You need to sit in a safe room all day long and wait that the rocket firings will stop in a hope it wont stop you. Also iron dome is very expensive and it crushes israels economy. Israel accepted a ceasefire twice and stop with the attackings while hamas kept dhooting. Seriously, what do you want israel to do? To eat those rockets which are fired for 14 years upon us by a terror organization that wants to exterminate us like good dogs of the hamas? Seriously, what would you do at this situation? How do you avoid humam casualties in a war against a terror organization? Please tell me.
Also people of gaza dont want hamas to rule it. Its nothing but a dictatorship.