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Kazimiera
07-23-2014, 05:45 PM
Spanking the gray matter out of our kids

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(CNN) -- How to discipline the next generation is a hotly debated topic. In 2012, a national survey showed more than half of women and three-quarters of men in the United States believe a child sometimes needs a "good hard spanking."

Science tells a different story. Researchers say physical punishment actually alters the brain -- not only in an "I'm traumatized" kind of way but also in an "I literally have less gray matter in my brain" kind of way.

"Exposing children to HCP (harsh corporal punishment) may have detrimental effects on trajectories of brain development," one 2009 study concluded.

Harsh corporal punishment in the study was defined as at least one spanking a month for more than three years, frequently done with objects such as a belt or paddle. Researchers found children who were regularly spanked had less gray matter in certain areas of the prefrontal cortex that have been linked to depression, addiction and other mental health disorders, the study authors say.

The researchers also found "significant correlations" between the amount of gray matter in these brain regions and the children's performance on an IQ test.

Several other studies support these findings. A 2010 study published in Pediatrics found that frequent -- more than twice in the previous month -- spanking when a child was 3 was linked to an increased risk for higher levels of child aggression when the child was 5.

Another, from the Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment and Trauma, found that corporal punishment doled out from the mother was independently related to a decrease in cognitive ability relative to other children. Corporal punishment had the largest effect on children 5 to 9.

Behind all this science-speak is the sobering fact that corporal punishment is damaging to children. That gray matter we've been spanking out of them? It's the key to the brain's ability to learn self-control.

"The more gray matter you have in the decision-making, thought-processing part of your brain (the prefrontal cortex), the better your ability to evaluate rewards and consequences," write the authors of a 2011 study that appeared in the Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience.

The sad irony is that the more you physically punish your kids for their lack of self-control, the less they have. They learn how to be controlled by external forces (parents, teachers, bosses), but when the boss isn't looking, then what?

Elizabeth Gershoff, an associate professor at the University of Texas at Austin, has been studying corporal punishment for 15 years, and is known as the leading researcher on spanking in the United States today. Over the years, Gershoff has done a systematic review of the hundreds of studies on the effects of corporal punishment.

"There's no study that I've ever done that's found a positive consequence of spanking," Gershoff said. "Most of us will stop what we're doing if somebody hits us, but that doesn't mean we've learned why somebody hit us, or what we should be doing instead, which is the real motive behind discipline."

Initially it was believed that spanking, at the very least, was associated with immediate compliance in children, and that parental warmth would buffer any harmful effects.

But the finding that spanking produced compliance "was overly influenced by one study," Gershoff said; it turns out spanking "doesn't make your kids better behaved. You think it does. ... It doesn't."

What is spanking associated with? Aggression. Delinquency. Mental health problems. And something called "hostile attribution bias," which causes children, essentially, to expect people to be mean to them.

This bias makes the world feel especially hostile. In turn, children are on edge and ready to be hostile back. Over time, across cultures and ethnicities, the findings are consistent: Spanking is doing real, measurable damage to the brains of our children.

And yet in 19 states, Gershoff notes, it is still legal for schools to paddle children.

For those thinking, "I was spanked, and I turned out fine," or, "I spank my kids and they're great!" consider that you don't know who you would be or how your children would behave in a world without spanking.

It could be that your children are thriving not because you spank, but in spite of it.


Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/health/effects-spanking-brain/index.html?sr=fb072314spankingbrain130pStoryLink

Rudel
07-23-2014, 05:56 PM
consider that you don't know who you would be or how your children would behave in a world without spanking.
Oh please, kids that remain undisciplined grow up to be cunts.

Prisoner Of Ice
07-23-2014, 06:06 PM
Harsh corporal punishment in the study was defined as at least one spanking a month for more than three years, frequently done with objects such as a belt or paddle. Researchers found children who were regularly spanked had less gray matter in certain areas of the prefrontal cortex that have been linked to depression, addiction and other mental health disorders, the study authors say.



Correlation isn't causality. I hate these stupid politically slanted studies because they usually try to make some ludicrous claim like this. Obviously the brain problems cause the spanking not the other way around. Everyone reasonable thinks you need to discipline a child sometimes. My sister's kids are hell on earth EXCEPT for the 6 months my mother had to look after them, by the time she was done they were completely transformed for several years.

Articles like this just encourage bad parenting on ridiculous logical assumptions. Of course there's a difference between abuse and discipline. I got spanked a grand total of ONE TIME growing up, but if you commit to never ever doing anything under any circumstance then you have already failed as a parent. You can't tell me this modern parenting is better, simply because I see the end result every day.

Amud
07-23-2014, 06:06 PM
Alternative explanation: Parents with low IQ's, violent tendencies, and poor self-control are more likely to spank their kids. Those traits are genetically passed down to the kids, who exhibit them as well.

Cooper
07-23-2014, 06:07 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/spanking_and_mental_illness_a_new_study_does_not_l ink_the_two_.html


And the thing is, kids who incite spankings may be more difficult or delinquent to begin with than kids who don’t. Ideally, studies should control for a child’s behavior prior to spanking, to ensure that findings only reveal how many more problems kids develop after they are spanked—but researchers don’t always do this, in part because they often collect information about people at a single point in time. Researchers might ask adults if they were hit as kids and, at the same time, assess these adults for mental illnesses, looking for associations between the two—such as in this 1999 study. (The recent study on harsh punishment was conducted in this manner, too.) But when these types of studies report that kids who were spanked have more behavioral problems later in life than kids who were not, it’s impossible to pin the cause on spanking.

I was spanked infrequently growing up, and on a couple occasions I was whipped with a belt. I was better-behaved than my brothers, though, who got more spankings.

Kazimiera
07-23-2014, 06:10 PM
Oh please, kids that remain undisciplined grow up to be cunts.

Exactly.

My mom was working when I was small and I was raised by my grandmother. She didn't hesitate to pick up the wooden spoon and give me a hiding if I was disrespectful. There was a lot of leeway for me to be naughty, but when I over-stepped the boundaries my little ass cheeks glowed red for many hours afterwards. I think it was good for me and if I had kids, they'd get the wooden spoon too.

I don't agree with parents assaulting their kids and beating them black and blue. There is a difference between a paddle on the bottom and a kid who has been seriously abused.

I don't think people realise there is a happy medium between letting your kids run rampant and plain assault.

An acquaintance of mine has four kids. Her husband disagrees with spanking and goes by the philosophy that children should be negotiated with. They are the naughtiest and nastiest little shits I have ever seen. If they are naughty, he expects her to offer them food or other rewards if they change their behaviour. A "normal" discourse in that house is as follows: **tantrum, tantrum, tantrum** "Sweety, mommy will go to the shop and buy you some ice cream if you're a good little boy from now on." They learn from the start that they can do what they want and will be rewarded for it if they are naughty enough. We were invited to their house one day for a get-together. The one little boy tried to set one of the guests on fire whilst he was talking on the phone!

CordedWhelp
07-23-2014, 06:11 PM
The elite want the newer generations coming in with increased senses of entitlement and elitism. A good smacking a bit (not to the point of abuse, of course) as a way of saying "no" is very effective. These are not adults, speaking to a child as if they are adults regarding their wrong-doings is not very effective all of the time, even if it is good to have a decent amount of dialogue as well. It actually often subconsciously tells the child that their every thought is worth exploring and requires everyone's serious attention.

Prisoner Of Ice
07-23-2014, 06:36 PM
Alternative explanation: Parents with low IQ's, violent tendencies, and poor self-control are more likely to spank their kids. Those traits are genetically passed down to the kids, who exhibit them as well.

Exactly. Not to mention these are the kids who misbehave the most as well.

Raven_
07-23-2014, 06:39 PM
Exactly.

My mom was working when I was small and I was raised by my grandmother. She didn't hesitate to pick up the wooden spoon and give me a hiding if I was disrespectful. There was a lot of leeway for me to be naughty, but when I over-stepped the boundaries my little ass cheeks glowed red for many hours afterwards. I think it was good for me and if I had kids, they'd get the wooden spoon too.

I don't agree with parents assaulting their kids and beating them black and blue. There is a difference between a paddle on the bottom and a kid who has been seriously abused.

I don't think people realise there is a happy medium between letting your kids run rampant and plain assault.

An acquaintance of mine has four kids. Her husband disagrees with spanking and goes by the philosophy that children should be negotiated with. They are the naughtiest and nastiest little shits I have ever seen. If they are naughty, he expects her to offer them food or other rewards if they change their behaviour. A "normal" discourse in that house is as follows: **tantrum, tantrum, tantrum** "Sweety, mommy will go to the shop and buy you some ice cream if you're a good little boy from now on." They learn from the start that they can do what they want and will be rewarded for it if they are naughty enough. We were invited to their house one day for a get-together. The one little boy tried to set one of the guests on fire whilst he was talking on the phone!

I am sure there are other ways to punish than using physical violence. Many parents simply don't know how to.
I agree with the article that physical punishments alone do not solve problems.

Kazimiera
07-23-2014, 06:44 PM
I am sure there are other ways to punish than using physical violence. Many parents simply don't know how to.
I agree with the article that physical punishments alone do not solve problems.

No, physical punishment alone does not solve problems. But trying to negotiate good behaviour out of children doesn't work either. There is a happy medium.

Balmung
07-23-2014, 06:46 PM
I actually would have preferred spankings. My parents had to be sick and twisted.

My dad used to take my Sega genesis, ban things and people from us. Pissed me right off. Cruelest thing (well cruel to me at the age) he did to me was threaten to sell our dog when my brothers and I skipped class with friends. He even had my uncle to put on an act like they were going to sell him. We hid the dog, but he found him and then I was heartbroken. He didn't sell it though, but said he would if we didn't stop.

LightHouse89
07-23-2014, 06:57 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/spanking_and_mental_illness_a_new_study_does_not_l ink_the_two_.html



I was spanked infrequently growing up, and on a couple occasions I was whipped with a belt. I was better-behaved than my brothers, though, who got more spankings.

LOL My grandmother hit me with a yard stick. Crazy German old lady.

LightHouse89
07-23-2014, 06:58 PM
I actually would have preferred spankings. My parents had to be sick and twisted.

My dad used to take my Sega genesis, ban things and people from us. Pissed me right off. Cruelest thing (well cruel to me at the age) he did to me was threaten to sell our dog when my brothers and I skipped class with friends. He even had my uncle to put on an act like they were going to sell him. We hid the dog, but he found him and then I was heartbroken. He didn't sell it though, but said he would if we didn't stop.

I got that and a yard stick across the ass or back, or hands..... not pleasant. But hey I learned my lesson.

Unome
07-23-2014, 06:59 PM
Biological father should dole out physical/corporal punishment.

Biological mother should side/agree with father.

Prisoner Of Ice
07-23-2014, 07:04 PM
I actually would have preferred spankings. My parents had to be sick and twisted.

My dad used to take my Sega genesis, ban things and people from us. Pissed me right off. Cruelest thing (well cruel to me at the age) he did to me was threaten to sell our dog when my brothers and I skipped class with friends. He even had my uncle to put on an act like they were going to sell him. We hid the dog, but he found him and then I was heartbroken. He didn't sell it though, but said he would if we didn't stop.

That is borderline abusive, kind of crazy behavior.

Colonel Frank Grimes
07-23-2014, 07:08 PM
Alternative explanation: Parents with low IQ's, violent tendencies, and poor self-control are more likely to spank their kids. Those traits are genetically passed down to the kids, who exhibit them as well.

That's most likely the case but clearly corporal punishment makes them worse. You're only making someone who is inclined towards aggression even more so. Taking away what they prize and being consistant is a better way of going about it.

Colonel Frank Grimes
07-23-2014, 07:12 PM
I actually would have preferred spankings. My parents had to be sick and twisted.

My dad used to take my Sega genesis, ban things and people from us. Pissed me right off. Cruelest thing (well cruel to me at the age) he did to me was threaten to sell our dog when my brothers and I skipped class with friends. He even had my uncle to put on an act like they were going to sell him. We hid the dog, but he found him and then I was heartbroken. He didn't sell it though, but said he would if we didn't stop.

Your father and I are kindred souls.

Harley
07-24-2014, 05:40 AM
My kid is well behaved on a whole. I didn't talk to her in baby talk or anything like that when she was young. I talked to her like she understood wtf I was saying and didn't give in to tantrums.

A few times, I've slapped her hand as punishment for something. I've taken to making her stand in the corner now when she acts up then she has to review why she was in the corner.

I had a parent that used to take out his frustration on me with a belt. I wouldn't be getting beat for what I did or didn't do, but for everyone that pissed him off that day, week, month, whatever.

I don't want that kind of relationship with my child. I want her to use critical thinking to be able to decipher what choices benefit her and why.

If you slap a kid around more than enough times and they're still doing the same thing, guess what- it's not working. Time for plan B.