Classify native Portuguese footballers and where can they pass?

[Tooting Carmen]

According to Sikeliot and alfieb, Portuguese people pass in Italy and Greece much less often than do their Spanish neighbours. So, let's have a look.

Nuno Gomes
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6759/2298.jpg

Andre Santos
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ChkjImh2LZA/THKM_iUZHLI/AAAAAAAAE24/UGXT4z2Uv-Q/s400/andresantos2.jpg

Henrique Sereno
http://www.linhasdeelvas.net/~media/downloads/16882.big.jpg

Custodio Castro
http://img.vavel.com/custodio_reuters__644x362_176514497.jpg

Rui Patricio
http://wallpapersoccer.tk/wp-content/uploads/rui-patricio-8.jpg

Joao Moutinho
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02252/Joao_Moutinho_2252937b.jpg

Miguel Veloso
http://danisteb.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/2012-06-11t115124z_01_aa19_rtridsp_3_soccer-euro.jpg

Vieirinha
http://static.goal.com/36900/36938_heroa.jpg

Eduardo Carvalho
http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/1895815/600full-eduardo-carvalho.jpg

Beto
http://cdn5.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/beto/beto-hairstyles6.jpg

Fabio Coentrao
http://cdn5.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/fabio-coentrao/fabio-coentrao-hairstyles2.jpg

Joao Pereira
http://cdn.controlinveste.pt/storage/DN/2012/big/ng1999880.JPG

Raul Meireles
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/9/2012/324x324/150016144.jpg

Miguel Lopes
http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/var/plain_site/storage/images/football/fiches-joueurs/portugal/miguel-lopes/7013788-7-fre-FR/Miguel-Lopes_large.jpg

Hugo Almeida
http://cdn6.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/hugo-almeida/hugo-almeida-hairstyles.jpg

Luis Neto
http://i.imgur.com/sJn5q.jpg

Ruben Amorim
http://cdn5.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/ruben-amorim/ruben-amorim-hairstyles1.jpg

Andre Gomes
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Comp_Matches/01/87/95/33/1879533_w2.jpg

Nelson Oliveira
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Nelson_Oliveira_-_Croatia_vs._Portugal,_10th_June_2013_(crop).jpg

Danny Alves
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivory+Coast+v+Portugal+Group+G+2010+FIFA+World+hRm W8N4uILBl.jpg

[Sakis]

None of then in Greece imo.

[Tooting Carmen]

In case people find classifying each one too arduous, a general classification for all the players would do.

[Tooting Carmen]

None of then in Greece imo.

Why not?

[Sakis]

Why not?

Because they don't look Greek at all.Maybe Luis Neto as atypical.

[Alessio]

It's the other way around (Greece exluded) but in both cases they won't fit most of the times.


According to Sikeliot and alfieb, Portuguese people pass in Italy and Greece much less often than do their Spanish neighbours. So, let's have a look.

Nuno Gomes
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6759/2298.jpg

Andre Santos
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ChkjImh2LZA/THKM_iUZHLI/AAAAAAAAE24/UGXT4z2Uv-Q/s400/andresantos2.jpg

Henrique Sereno
http://www.linhasdeelvas.net/~media/downloads/16882.big.jpg

Custodio Castro
http://img.vavel.com/custodio_reuters__644x362_176514497.jpg

Rui Patricio
http://wallpapersoccer.tk/wp-content/uploads/rui-patricio-8.jpg

Joao Moutinho
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02252/Joao_Moutinho_2252937b.jpg

Miguel Veloso
http://danisteb.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/2012-06-11t115124z_01_aa19_rtridsp_3_soccer-euro.jpg

Vieirinha
http://static.goal.com/36900/36938_heroa.jpg

Eduardo Carvalho
http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/1895815/600full-eduardo-carvalho.jpg

Beto
http://cdn5.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/beto/beto-hairstyles6.jpg

Fabio Coentrao
http://cdn5.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/fabio-coentrao/fabio-coentrao-hairstyles2.jpg

Joao Pereira
http://cdn.controlinveste.pt/storage/DN/2012/big/ng1999880.JPG

Raul Meireles
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/9/2012/324x324/150016144.jpg

Miguel Lopes
http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/var/plain_site/storage/images/football/fiches-joueurs/portugal/miguel-lopes/7013788-7-fre-FR/Miguel-Lopes_large.jpg

Hugo Almeida
http://cdn6.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/hugo-almeida/hugo-almeida-hairstyles.jpg

Luis Neto
http://i.imgur.com/sJn5q.jpg

Ruben Amorim
http://cdn5.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/ruben-amorim/ruben-amorim-hairstyles1.jpg

Andre Gomes
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Comp_Matches/01/87/95/33/1879533_w2.jpg

Nelson Oliveira
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Nelson_Oliveira_-_Croatia_vs._Portugal,_10th_June_2013_(crop).jpg

Danny Alves
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ivory+Coast+v+Portugal+Group+G+2010+FIFA+World+hRm W8N4uILBl.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

It's the other way around (Greece exluded) but in both cases they won't fit most of the times.

What do you mean?

[Sikeliot]

None look Sicilian to me either.

[Sikeliot]

It's the other way around (Greece exluded) but in both cases they won't fit most of the times.

I think Spanish pass better in Italy than Portuguese do, but in general Iberians look different from Italians.

[Tooting Carmen]

None look Sicilian to me either.

But what about other Italian regions?

[Sikeliot]

But what about other Italian regions?

About half of them could be northern Italian. The other half are that dark, distinct Portuguese look that is different from any type of Italian.

[Tooting Carmen]

About half of them could be northern Italian. The other half are that dark, distinct Portuguese look that is different from any type of Italian.

Any examples of each?

[Damião de Góis]

Nuno Gomes isn't active anymore. What was the choice criteria?

[Tooting Carmen]

Nuno Gomes isn't active anymore. What was the choice criteria?

That they have no (discernible) foreign ancestry and they have been active within the last three-to-four years.

[Sikeliot]

Could be northern Italian:

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/9/2012/324x324/150016144.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02252/Joao_Moutinho_2252937b.jpg






Couldn't pass anywhere in Italy:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6759/2298.jpg
http://wallpapersoccer.tk/wp-content/uploads/rui-patricio-8.jpg
http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/1895815/600full-eduardo-carvalho.jpg
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/Comp_Matches/01/87/95/33/1879533_w2.jpg

[Sakis]

About half of them could be northern Italian.

I don't think that the Italians here will agree with this.

[Damião de Góis]

That they have no (discernible) foreign ancestry and they have been active within the last three-to-four years.

I find it curious that you chose obscure players like Sereno over much more famous players like Tiago, Antunes, etc. Or maybe i don't...

[Tooting Carmen]

EDIT

[Sikeliot]

Here are some Portuguese from facebook, not cherrypicked since I took 15 people on someone's friends list in a row.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?134368-Where-can-these-Portuguese-people-pass-Vote-please&p=2831120#post2831120

[Damião de Góis]

EDIT

I read before your Edit.

Sereno has been around for ages... that's true for every football professional i guess. But it doesn't change the fact that he is an obscure player with a below average career, with 1 cap in the under 21s and 2 caps for the senior team (i doubt many people know who he is in Portugal). Tiago, well, if you don't know who he is you shouldn't be posting football players.
And Antunes looks peculiar how?

[Tooting Carmen]

I read before your Edit.

Sereno has been around for ages... that's true for every football professional i guess. But it doesn't change the fact that he is an obscure player with a below average career, with 1 cap in the under 21s and 2 caps for the senior team (i doubt many people know who he is in Portugal). Tiago, well, if you don't know who he is you shouldn't be posting football players.
And Antunes looks peculiar how?

I edited it out precisely because, before I googled him just now, I was thinking of someone else when you said Antunes. Anyway, here are Antunes and Tiago for you:
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Antunes+Portugal+v+Luxembourg+yvRadu8QXQtl.jpghttp ://www.fifa.sportsportal.org/wp-content/uploads/Tiago-Mendes-01.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

@Alex: Like I said in the OP, I made this thread as a rebuke to Sikeliot's and Alfieb's claim that Portuguese people cannot ever pass as anything else.

[Sikeliot]

@Alex: Like I said in the OP, I made this thread as a rebuke to Sikeliot's and Alfieb's claim that Portuguese people cannot ever pass as anything else.

It wasn't that they can't. My claims were:

1) Of all major Southern European groups, Portuguese have the fewest number of people who look Italian
2) ... the fewest number of people who look pan-Med
3) ... the greatest number of people who can be instantly picked out as their ethnicity.

[Damião de Góis]

@Alex: Like I said in the OP, I made this thread as a rebuke to Sikeliot's and Alfieb's claim that Portuguese people cannot ever pass as anything else.

I have my doubts that these people can't ever pass as anything else and look like martians with their ultra distinct look, but ok... i'm not the expert here.

http://www.esta-comunica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/10_-foto_familia.jpg

[Guapo]

http://www.linhasdeelvas.net/~media/downloads/16882.big.jpg

LOL! the neanderthal is stronk in this one. Typical of portuguese though

[Damião de Góis]

It wasn't that they can't. My claims were:

1) Of all major Southern European groups, Portuguese have the fewest number of people who look Italian


I don't see why we should look italian in the first place, or why comparisons between the two groups are being made.


2) ... the fewest number of people who look pan-Med

Highly debatable since we don't have numbers for anyone. Still, since we are from one geographical extreme it could be true.



3) ... the greatest number of people who can be instantly picked out as their ethnicity.

I don't get this one. I don't think people would have trouble in guessing Roberto Baggio as italian or Paul Gascoigne as english.

[Ulla]

None look Sicilian to me either.

Miguel Lopes, Ruben Aborin...

[Sikeliot]

Miguel Lopes, Ruben Aborin...

Ruben Amorim looks more like a Riffian Berber or something. Miguel Lopes, I'll give you that one. But he could even fit in Cyprus.

[Ulla]

Ruben Amorim looks more like a Riffian Berber or something. Miguel Lopes, I'll give you that one. But he could even fit in Cyprus.

Also Beto and Rui Patricio could pass in Central-Sothern Italy. Miguel Veloso in Northen-Central Italy.

Even if they are not typical, Spanish and Portuguese often can pass as unnoticed in Italy.

Custodio Castro reminds me a little of Christian Panucci former footballer from Liguria

http://www.ivg.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/christian-panucci.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Also Beto and Rui Patricio could pass in Central-Sothern Italy. Miguel Veloso in Northen-Central Italy.

Even if they are not typical, Spanish and Portuguese often can pass as unnoticed in Italy.

Yes, but less often than Greeks, Cypriots, and even Albanians would. Heck, I'd say less often than the French too.

If these people can pass in southern Italy I am sure they also can pass in Greece.

[Tooting Carmen]

A couple more: Carlos Martins and Helder Postiga.
http://desporto_stats.imgs.sapo.pt/3/People/M13527.pnghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2011/324x324/48675.jpg

[Lusos]

A couple more: Carlos Martins and Helder Postiga.
http://desporto_stats.imgs.sapo.pt/3/People/M13527.pnghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2011/324x324/48675.jpg

Carlos Martins looks like a Greek co-Worker of mine.

[Lusos]

From the under 21 Team

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=164577&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=757916&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=1035553&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=167813&w=210

[Lusos]

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=630265&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=715968&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=730514&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=668620&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=670760&w=210

[Lusos]

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=675506&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=737830&w=210

http://www.fpf.pt/DesktopModules/CompetitionTeam/GetPhotoControl.ashx?type=player&Id=662966&w=210

[Tooting Carmen]

Some have had their photos lost.

Beto
http://www.tikiytaka.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/beto-sevilla-1.jpg

Fabio Coentrao
http://topnews.in/sports/files/Fabio-Coentrao01_0.jpg

Hugo Almeida
https://www.nkfu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hugo-almeida-Resimleri-1.jpg

Ruben Amorim
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oZerXh_GrvY/TjEyflP_OcI/AAAAAAAAAO4/bcVmfqEWAA0/s1600/32.jpg

Antunes
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Antunes%2BPortugal%2Bv%2BLuxembourg%2ByvRadu8QXQtl .jpg

Tiago
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tmwwqnpzlWk/TTSXdwUB7FI/AAAAAAAAAkE/_b7xkQ8K1UY/s1600/tiago1.jpg

And another one, Hugo Viana
http://cdn.radiocloud.co.uk/images/620x465/d05d15959d6ad276854a6ba1f-1340276570747.png

[Ctwentysevenj]

I say Calabria and Sicily

[Tooting Carmen]

I say Calabria and Sicily

I'm just hoping for Sikeliot and Alfieb to see that. xD

[Damião de Góis]

I'm just hoping for Sikeliot and Alfieb to see that. xD

He was probably talking about Carlos Martins.

[quaquaraqua]

Lusos' s U21 pics are prob the most close to north italians, many could fit with no problem bur they still pass better in spain. Carlos Martins looks weird, clearly borderline.

[Tooting Carmen]

Lusos' s U21 pics are prob the most close to north italians, many could fit with no problem bur they still pass better in spain. Carlos Martins looks weird, clearly borderline.

I posted several other footballers in the OP less weird than him.

[Tooting Carmen]

Jose Fonte
http://www.squawka.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1986x1473x4327348.jpg.pagespeed.ic.0C4PNJ6THl.jpg

Ricardo Carvalho
http://www.footballzz.co.uk/img/jogadores/59/34759_ori_ricardo_carvalho.jpg

Ivo Pinto
http://cdn.citynews.ro/sites/default/files/styles/900xauto/public/www/articole/foto-ivo-pinto-mergem-la-braga-sa-castigam1347894307.jpg

Cedric Soares
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cedric+Soares+EzYg7P6ASKtm.jpg

Andre Almeida
http://m.slbenfica.pt/Images/Player/34-%20A%20Almeida.JPG

Ricardo Horta
http://relvado.sapo.pt/sites/relvado.sapo.pt/files/images/ricardohortaconf.artigo.jpg

Rafa Silva
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zI5LA38pIrI/UFuWaVoiG7I/AAAAAAAAC44/GMQv8tFOxs0/s1600/Rafa.jpg

Ruben Micael
http://static.goal.com/91200/91291.jpg

Pedro Tiba
http://cdn.record.xl.pt/storage/2014_7/ng06B39CCD-ABC2-4708-9E70-74AEEF6127CF.jpg?type=big

[Anthropologique]

Another BS thread using Portuguese footballers. Many of the footballers in recent years don't have very typical Portuguese phenotypes.

[Porpolita]

Another BS thread using Portuguese footballers. Many of the footballers in recent years don't have very typical Portuguese phenotypes.

Tbh, whilst I agree that they are not representative, you can't use the same "they are immigrants" excuse when most of them look like exotic natives and can still pass as part of the spectrum.

[Sikeliot]

The people above are mostly Atlanto-Med. They don't look exotic at all.

[LieDetector]

Long story short Meds

[mikeyup]

The people above are mostly Atlanto-Med. They don't look exotic at all.

Those are fairly common. André Almeida is slightly atypical though.

[Anthropologique]

Tbh, whilst I agree that they are not representative, you can't use the same "they are immigrants" excuse when most of them look like exotic natives and can still pass as part of the spectrum.

Didn't say they were immigrants. Some are, IMO, and going by what I know of some backgrounds are not genetically native.

[Anthropologique]

Those are fairly common. André Almeida is slightly atypical though.

Absolutely. Non Euro admixture is likely.

If you're going to post photos, do so of full natives. Every ex-colonial power has mixed types - look at the UK.

[Anthropologique]

Why do you keep posting people that are non-typicals? Use group or crowd photos. Footballers are some of the worst examples.

[Anthropologique]

The people above are mostly Atlanto-Med. They don't look exotic at all.

Some are not typical. This guy always plugs in people who look out of the mainstream, especially when it comes to Iberians.

[guyinsf]

Most are either dinaro-med or just plain med with some berid influence.

[Tooting Carmen]

Beto
http://www.bellazon.com/main/uploads/monthly_09_2013/post-37737-0-62426100-1379262482.jpg

Hugo Viana
http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2012/05/PA-10780181-310x415.jpg

[Sikeliot]

First one is pan-Med but the second one looks distinctly Iberian or southern French.

[Tooting Carmen]

First one is pan-Med but the second one looks distinctly Iberian or southern French.

I re-posted them, as their previous photos have disappeared.

[Green]

morocco

[Damião de Góis]

morocco

I think your mongrelized face would pass better there.

[Sikeliot]

morocco

If Moroccan types exist in Portugal then they also exist in Spain, just so you know...

[Green]

I think your mongrelized face would pass better there.

Do you think I look like a mongrelized face?, Your descended from African slaves.

Most Portuguese are similar to the Moroccans.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CjhPriF-4_M/VQ7KR29qcTI/AAAAAAAACfk/H7mkmUFvJBg/w649-h865-no/IMG_20150322_144332.jpg

[Porpolita]

Do you think I look like a mongrelized face?, Your descended from African slaves.

Most Portuguese are similar to the Moroccans.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CjhPriF-4_M/VQ7KR29qcTI/AAAAAAAACfk/H7mkmUFvJBg/w649-h865-no/IMG_20150322_144332.jpg

There's plenty of pics on here of my mongrelized Portuguese face where you can see the African and Arab ancestry

[Green]

Looking like a Moroccan is better than looking like you.

There's plenty of pics on here of my mongrelized Portuguese face where you can see the African and Arab ancestry

also does not need to insult me, I just asked if I would like Moroccan.

[Damião de Góis]

Do you think I look like a mongrelized face?, Your descended from African slaves.

Most Portuguese are similar to the Moroccans.


Yes i do:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5207529/1/

I don't descend from African slaves, i've done 23andme and no one ever classified me as an armenoid iranian.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Italicroots claims both Spanish and Portuguese are Africans....says those Sephardic, Moroccan Jewish, Ashkenazi Jewish/Levantine, Iraqi clusters.

[Conte Mascetti]

Most of them could pass as native central/southern italians.
Definitely not northerners (except for one).

[Damião de Góis]

Most of them could pass as native central/southern italians.
Definitely not northerners (except for one).

Which one passes for northerner?

[Conte Mascetti]

http://static.goal.com/36900/36938_heroa.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/9/2012/324x324/150016144.jpg
They could pass as NATIVE northern italians.

[Green]

Yes i do:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5207529/1/

I don't descend from African slaves, i've done 23andme and no one ever classified me as an armenoid iranian.


I feel it gives me error, can not enter. add photo

[Damião de Góis]

I thought you were gonna say him

http://www.mercato365.com/medias/263644_.jpg

[Odin]

Mainly Gracile/Atlanto-Meds, Berids, and few Baskids. Pass in SW Europe.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Berids, Gracile/Atlanto-Meds, and a few Baskids.

Pass in SW Europe.