Are you a Homosexual? - Yes, No, Don't Know?

[Jake Featherston]

If you're totally against homosexuality, keep it to your self.

Thank you, but no. I don't intend to be quiet about the things I oppose.


Don't try to exclude homosexuals from preservation, though, because then you'll be seen as a victimizing hypocrite...

I doubt that's true, but if so, then so be it.


...especially where one wants to help preserve race. Hence, against your own race.

...gibberish...

[Jake Featherston]

I think Argyll might be overreacting a bit, but being a homosexual doesn't mean you can't contribute anything to European preservation. You might be unable to literally preserve your own kind, but you can always do things for your own people.

I hate homosexuality, but I do not hate homosexuals. I think that's a pretty salient distinction. If others disagree, well, again...so be it.

[Eva]

Still, Turkey isn't really that extreme compared to other Islamic countries.

I would say a country of extremes just as I described from hijabs up to lesbians... though my aim was to see my ancestral lands but also tried to see as much as could :) and they are very mixed in all aspects, and i would even say have problems with their identity.

[Äike]

I'm a raging homosexual.

[safrax]

I'm not gay and I'm proud of thet!

[Jake Featherston]

I'm not gay and I'm proud of thet!

I'm not exactly proud of being a heterosexual, anymore than I'm proud of being born with arms & legs. But I am definitely glad I am a heterosexual.

[TheBorrebyViking]

Straight pride world wide!

[safinator]

No

[Kalitas]

Nop

[Midori]

I don't know, maybe

[poiuytrewq0987]

I don't know, maybe

:eyes

[Pecheneg]

That's rediculous because in Turkey I was harassed by a Turkish lesbian lol she came up to me and put her hands on my hips and I stepped back in fear, it was in the club, she was high I guess. And another Turkish girl was dancing with one of our friends and then began to paw her lol and scared her as well. So that was our experience in an Islamic country.

here comes the tale from armenian twat to demonize Turks and Turkey as always. I bet you've never been in my country, there are ~100.000 armenians live&work illegally in Turkey, most of them are prostitutes and their customers are kurds. So stop playing cool christian blonde educated aryan lady from the grasslands of the europe.

[Gospodine]

I don't know, maybe

Once you drink from the furry cup that's a firm decision.

[RoyBatty]

No

[MM81]

Regualar macho latino here :D:D

[Γέλως]

I am not a homosexual, but I shall defend to the death your right to take it up in the ass.

[Svipdag]

Oh come now, Ottar, self-deception is the easiest thing in the world. "There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see." Whenever we don't want to believe something, we go to great lengths to rationalise all of the evidence for it.

[Mark Trail]

No but I don't have any problem with those who are.

[Aurora]

Not I.

[sturmwalkure]

Nope!

[Sikeliot]

Yes.

[Defiance]

Huh.....does anyone else find these results rather surprising? I could be wrong, but I'm quite sure that the percentage of gays and bisexuals is considerably higher than that of the general population.


Yes.
So you've finally figured it out, eh?:icon_neutral:

[Linet]

Very....:naughty:

[Arcaius]

No .. but i really doubt we will see all the homosexuals here :P

anyways,i have no problem with them,everyone can love what he feels he needs to love :thumb001:

[Sarmatian]

Huh.....does anyone else find these results rather surprising? I could be wrong, but I'm quite sure that the percentage of gays and bisexuals is considerably higher than that of the general population.


Not really. I won't be able to provide sources but if I remember correctly the average estimates of homosexuals is around 7%.

[Arcaius]

Chego i did NOT need to see that :bullet puke

:D

[MST3K]

No, straight as an arrow.

[Skadi]

No, I am very straight. I've never ever had feelings for a woman and I dont really understand how anybody could be attracted to the same sex.

[Siegfried]

No. To be honest, I'm only rarely ever attracted to anybody, but when I am, it's never been a man.

[CelticViking]

http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/eric-winter-luke-grimes-jason-lewis-naked-shirtless.jpg

http://static.poponthepop.com/images/gallery/alexander-skarsgard-shirtless.jpg

Anything? If not then you're not gay :p

[Siegfried]

http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/eric-winter-luke-grimes-jason-lewis-naked-shirtless.jpg

http://static.poponthepop.com/images/gallery/alexander-skarsgard-shirtless.jpg

Anything? If not then you're not gay :p

Oh, Skarsgard.:eek:

I mean, no, nothing at all.:p

To be honest, I cannot see anything other than superficial beauty in men, whilst in a select few women it's different. I mean, I guess I can see goodness within men too, but nothing that would physically attract me.:p

I guess, I'm semi-asexual.:p

[Arcaius]

Anything? If not then you're not gay :p

test us with girls :coffee:

we already had a shot of puke this morning... i think it's enough :D

[Siegfried]

test us with girls :coffee:

we already had a shot of puke this morning... i think it's enough :D

Show us your pics.:D

[dralos]

no

[Flintlocke]

no

ur so gay u don't even like boys :cool: :p

[Arcaius]

Show us your pics.:D


:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: eeeeerrrr i'm a guy.... and as far as i see you are guy too :P

on second tough .... lemme get my sexy pics on net :D jk jk



http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/2817870_700b_v1.jpg

[Hurrem sultana]

Yes,and i am in a relationship with my girlfriend

[Siegfried]

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: eeeeerrrr i'm a guy.... and as far as i see you are guy too :P

I was talking to Celtic Viking.:D I see I didn't phrase myself properly.:p

[Defiance]

Not really. I won't be able to provide sources but if I remember correctly the average estimates of homosexuals is around 7%.
Within both the male and female populations? Bisexuals included?

And just whatever happened to that "10%" bulls**t?

[dralos]

Yes,and i am in a relationship with my girlfriend
show her pic,before i'm telling to your imam:D

[Bobcat Fraser]

I have a question for the gay guys. It's not meant to be an insult or a judgment, so don't take it that way. What is it about men that attracts you to them? Most straight guys can make a list of reasons why women attract them.

[Chego]

^ ^ ^

[Mago]

Straight. I adore the female body and her sensuality. I think we men are hideous looking even when we are handsome, to the point that i wonder sometimes why women like us.

[Food]

No

[Arthas]

I'm as straight as a ruler.

[Bobcat Fraser]

Straight. I adore the female body and her sensuality. I think we men are hideous looking even when we are handsome, to the point that i wonder sometimes why women like us.

I get that. I'd like to know what makes men *attractive* to homosexuals. You mentioned some of the reasons that you prefer women. I'd like to hear what inner or outer traits attract gay men to other men.

[StonyArabia]

No, but apparently I am a closet White supermacist based on my taste:picard1:

[Sikeliot]

I get that. I'd like to know what makes men *attractive* to homosexuals. You mentioned some of the reasons that you prefer women. I'd like to hear what inner or outer traits attract gay men to other men.

The same things women find attractive in men, essentially.

See to me I wonder what it is men find sexually attractive about women. :confused:

[Arthas]

See to me I wonder what it is men find sexually attractive about women. :confused:

They have a few warm holes to that we can use to masturbate. ;)

[Anarch]

Yes,and i am in a relationship with my girlfriend



http://i.qkme.me/3pmv8g.jpg

Hot blonde Bosnian Muslim lesbian = does not compute.

[Anarch]

I'm a male of the non-homosexual variety.

[only1]

Not really. I won't be able to provide sources but if I remember correctly the average estimates of homosexuals is around 7%.

That's BS. 7% is not a rule. Gayness doesn't come built in. It just there are places where people feel free enough to think all kinds of sick things. Try and check any country except for the "western" ones and you will find all places homoseuxality is around 0%. Everywhere. Without any people being stuck "inside the closet", or having issues of attraction to the opposite sex.

Who the hell can be attracted to men anyway. It's a miracle women can. And Steven Hawking has the nerves to convince people we came from just a bean that accidently got exploded.

[Anarch]

That's BS. 7% is not a rule. Gayness doesn't come built in. It just there are places where people feel free enough to think all kinds of sick things. Try and check any country except for the "western" ones and you will find all places homoseuxality is around 0%. Everywhere. Without any people being stuck "inside the closet", or having issues of attraction to the opposite sex.

Who the hell can be attracted to men anyway. It's a miracle women can. And Steven Hawking has the nerves to convince people we came from just a bean that accidently got exploded.

Call it what you want, but male on male sex is fairly common in the Muslim world.

[only1]

I've contemplated that I might be bisexual.. but really there's only been two women that I could actually say I'm actually attracted to (one of whom is Kim Kardashian). So I'll say no, I'm not.

You should see more women. It's because you are too shy. Go to a hooker or something, step one. Step two, order a cheap bride and make her do a few plastic surgeries so she would be your taste, it won't be a problem for an American. Think, Think. You can't stay like this forever.

[only1]

Call it what you want, but male on male sex is fairly common in the Muslim world.

Reading too much 1001 nights? Its all in your countries.

[Anarch]

Reading too much 1001 nights? Its all in your countries.

1001 Nights was set in pre-Islamic Arabia. Simply because it is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen (http://www.economist.com/node/21546002). It is fairly well known that men dress up boys and fuck them in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[Anusiya]

http://i.qkme.me/3pmv8g.jpg

Hot blonde Bosnian Muslim lesbian = does not compute.

If I understand correctly she is a homosexual and she is in a relationship with another woman. Piccard was uncalled for.

Unless...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/001/384/Atrapitis.gif

[Virtuous]

Hagrid: You're a faggot, Harry.

Harry: I'm a what?

Hagrid: A FAGGOT.

[Behemot]

I don't pick sides......I just date whoever I like ( male,female,something in between )

[Hurrem sultana]

I don't pick sides......I just date whoever I like ( male,female,something in between )

Why limit yourself :D

[Behemot]

Why limit yourself :D

My point exaclty :D
One condition : turned 18,besides that............pfffffff till the color melts :D

[Corvus]

No I am not and I know it since my mind began to work properly :D

[dralos]

I don't pick sides......I just date whoever I like ( male,female,something in between )
people like you eventually always end up with the same sex

[Europa]

Absolutely not!:coffee:

[dralos]

we need straight people to produce beautiful european girls:D

[Linet]

I think the most honest person here is Fortis :rose: . The homosexuals number should be higher than is presented and even the number that we have is because of people who make fun.
Lets not forget that up to statistics 1/10 males is either bi either homo...

[Behemot]

people like you eventually always end up with the same sex
Not always..........but I see no problem in that :)

[Balmung]

I actualy feel kind of bad for women. Being a male, having male friends, and knowing the shit we do, how disgusting we are etc how do they put up with us? I'll never understand it, i guess that's why i'm straight.

[Apina]

It just there are places where people feel free enough to think all kinds of sick things.


You should see more women. It's because you are too shy. Go to a hooker or something, step one. Step two, order a cheap bride and make her do a few plastic surgeries so she would be your taste, it won't be a problem for an American. Think, Think. You can't stay like this forever.

Lmao - a little ironic...

[gold_fenix]

i am bixexual.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........................2 woman better that one, hahaha

[Bucovina]

I'm a greedy person, so bisexual fits me best. :swl

[dralos]

I'm a greedy person, so bisexual fits me best. :swl
we need straight euro women

[Lumi]

May as well put myself down as Bisexual, even though I'm more Pansexual...

[Incal]

Sometimes I get the feeling that the inner nature of women is bisexual. Don't have proof or studies or anything like that. It's just a feeling.

[Mraz]

Straight, but if I were a woman I'd totally be lesbian :)

[Anarch]

If I understand correctly she is a homosexual and she is in a relationship with another woman. Piccard was uncalled for.

Unless...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/001/384/Atrapitis.gif

Or...

http://files.sharenator.com/i_smell_a_troll_Family_guy-s360x360-291490-535.jpg

[Food]

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[Sikeliot]

Some of those tags are just gross.

[Anusiya]

May as well put myself down as Bisexual, even though I'm more Pansexual...

I am a desk lamp. Do I have a chance?

[Lumi]

I am a desk lamp. Do I have a chance?

I think you need to look at the definition of pansexual again, mate.
Pansexuals have the ability to love all. All being humans that are alive, preferably. Pansexuals are gender blind.
Please don't be ignorant. I'm not really in the mood.

[Furnace]

I think you need to look at the definition of pansexual again, mate.
Pansexuals have the ability to love all. All being humans that are alive, preferably. Pansexuals are gender blind.
Please don't be ignorant. I'm not really in the mood.

You are never in the mood for anything though, you seem to continuesly
lash out on anyone/anything.

[Lumi]

You are never in the mood for anything though, you seem to continuesly
lash out on anyone/anything.

How is explaining Pansexuality and then explaining that I'm in no mood for ignorance lashing out?

[SKYNET]

Are you a Homosexual?

no, I am not sick. Thanx

[Lumi]

no, I am not sick. Thanx

If Homosexuality is a sickness, then I guess I should be able to get my JSA, right? I mean, I'm pansexual. I'm half gay. So I should have been paid Statutory Sick Pay from work.
Wow. Hey, now I know what to tell my next boss when I'm ill.
"Sorry. Can't come in today. Feeling a little bit more queer than usual".

[Anusiya]

What have you been telling your current boss then?:D

[Lumi]

What have you been telling your current boss then?:D

I'm unemployed :p
Walked outta that dump after five months on compassionate leave. They decided to have a go at me for it so I told them where to stick their job, handed in my resignation letter and left without another word. xD

[Anusiya]

Join the club. :(

[Food]

bump

[Blackout]

I'm so straight I'm almost too straight. The idea of two men together is extremely uncomfortable for me. Two women on the other hand... :icon_ask:

[Wonder]

My amorous inclinations are not biased to either sex, I don't think of myself as bi though, so voted pansexual. Women can be very pretty or beautiful, but I find men more venereal. . .I am just attracted to beautiful people regardless.

[Hàkon]

I am often mistaken for being homosexual.

[Melina]

I am straight thank you and I am starting to hate gays.

[Furnace]

I am often mistaken for being homosexual.

Understandable, your avatar looks very manly.

[Loki]

Discuss :)

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Developmental ie a bit of both but nothing to do with parenting.

[Shah-Jehan]

Nurture definitely but, genes may also affect one's sexual orientation...

[Pontios]

Homosexuality has nothing to do with nature. It is a social disease, a sexual perversion... Unless there is something physically wrong with you and you are mentally sick, you are not born gay.

[Smeagol]

Nature...

[Roy]

It has nothing common with nurture but surely environmental influences take their part.

[Pjeter Pan]

why are people born gay?what triggers it? What causes homosexuality?

[1stLightHorse]

As usual, i think the truth lies somewhere between both.

[Stefan]

Double twin studies have shown a 75% chance that if one twin is homosexual the other will be as well. This says to me that there is a genetic predisposition which manifests itself in one's phenotype by one's interactions with the environment, pretty much like with anything. So mostly predisposed biology (genetics, hormone levels in the womb, etc) with some social influence during post-natal and pre-pubescent development.

[Blackout]

Lifestyle, however it can also be a medical issue.

[alb0zfinest]

Nurture definitely but, genes may also affect one's sexual orientation...

You could get killed for saying that. Are you saying Allah had something to do with this (since he creates everyone).

[Shah-Jehan]

You could get killed for saying that. Are you saying Allah had something to do with this (since he creates everyone).

I meant some kind of medical condition...

[alb0zfinest]

I meant some kind of medical condition...

Lulz. Nope can't back away now. You have for once defied Islam (in a small way), and in turn said something rational too. I applaud you for such an achievement (It only took you 15 years :D)

I'm just kidding of course. But what the Quran says about homosexuals is very dated information. New scientific discoveries easily refute it. This doesn't mean that you can't be a muslim and still believe that being a homosexual has to do with nature as well, it just means that certain parts you don't agree with.

[Shah-Jehan]

Lulz. Nope can't back away now. You have for once defied Islam (in a small way), and in turn said something rational too. I applaud you for such an achievement (It only took you 15 years :D)

Well, 1stlighthorse had a post about it, saying that homosexuality was acceptable if the individual prayed to God anyway...

[1stLightHorse]

Well, 1stlighthorse had a post about it, saying that homosexuality was acceptable if the individual prayed to God anyway...

Do you mean that hadith bro? about the Mukhannath? Homosexuality isn't acceptabtable in Islam, but Muhammad recognized that some Men are genetically more effeminate. He shunned him out to a different city but said he refused to execute him because he prayed. So remember, there was no homosexual acts performed, the companions just wanted to kill him for being effeminate. I'll find it then edit it back in.

Edit: Okay it's from Sunan abu Dawud, Book 41, hadith 4910.

A hermaphrodite (mukhannath) who had dyed his hands and feet with henna was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He asked: "What is the matter with this man?". He was told: "Apostle of Allah! he affects women's get-up." So he ordered regarding him and he was banished to an-Naqi'. The people said: "Apostle of Allah! should we not kill him?". He said: "I have been prohibited from killing people who pray." AbuUsamah said: Naqi' is a region near Medina and not a Baqi'.

Some accounts speak of these individuals as having been castrated though, so it may not be referring to biological tendencies.

[alb0zfinest]

Well, 1stlighthorse had a post about it, saying that homosexuality was acceptable if the individual prayed to God anyway...

I edited my comment too late. I wanted to accompany this remark with my previous comment but you quoted me quite quickly.

"But what the Qur'an says about homosexuals is very dated information. New scientific discoveries easily refute it. This doesn't mean that you can't be a Muslim and still believe that being a homosexual has to do with nature as well, it just means that certain parts of the Qur'an you don't agree with."

[Rouxinol]

I meant some kind of medical condition...

Apart from infectious diseases most diseases have one way or another a genetic predisposition and involve the interaction of genes and environmental factors. If homosexuality is a disease, it's determined by genes, and if God creates all, then he's the creator of homosexuality as well.

[Shah-Jehan]

Apart from infectious diseases most diseases have one way or another a genetic predisposition and involve the interaction of genes and environmental factors. If homosexuality is a disease, it's determined by genes, and if God creates all, then he's the creator of homosexuality as well.

Thing is one's sexual orientation is determined after the individual has passed the phase of puberty and this certain sexual orientation might be caused by the experiences and influences the individual had to go through, rather than the individual being born with it from his/her's mother's womb...

[Rouxinol]

Thing is one's sexual orientation is determined after the individual has passed the phase of puberty and this certain sexual orientation might be caused by the experiences and influences the individual had to go through, rather than the individual being born with it from his/her's mother's womb...

I knew my sexual orientation way before puberty. So, it's in the genes first and foremost. Now, whether it's a disease or not, it's a matter of debate. In my opinion it doesn't qualify as a disease/medical condition/disorder since it doesn't fulfill the criteria to be classified as such.

[Äike]

It's a bit of both, but genes must be important. I know 3 sisters (aged 18, 22 and 26), the 26-year old is completely asexual and isn't attracted to anyone. The 22-year old is a lesbian with a female life partner for years now. The 18-year old is the only straight one, I think, but I'm not completely sure.

They're all half-Moldavian, that might have something to do with it.

[Incal]

I think both apply with many in-betweens.

[blogen]

Double twin studies have shown a 75% chance that if one twin is homosexual the other will be as well. This says to me that there is a genetic predisposition which manifests itself in one's phenotype by one's interactions with the environment, pretty much like with anything. So mostly predisposed biology (genetics, hormone levels in the womb, etc) with some social influence during post-natal and pre-pubescent development.

Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3026281/posts)

[Mortimer]

i really dont know. i think a little bit of both but really have no clue.

[Hayalet]

Sexual interest in the same gender might be genetic, but I don't think lack of sexual interest in the opposite gender can be; it would die out before too long.

[SkyBurn]

Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3026281/posts)

That has got to be one of the least legitimate scientific reports I have ever seen. No citations at all. Old "studies" being referred to as being "large" and "reliable" with little to no statistical evidence. And LOL at this part:


Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”

Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays.

Who wrote this hilarious "report"? freerepublic.com: A website which states that their official aim is "to champion causes which further conservatism in America". Lol. So legit.

In any case, to answer the question, Sexuality is graded on a scale. I think that pre-birth factors can give you a large predisposition to one end of a scale, but early envornmental factors may shift a person around a little.

[Aunt Hilda]

Nature

[blogen]

That has got to be one of the least legitimate scientific reports I have ever seen. No citations at all. Old "studies" being referred to as being "large" and "reliable" with little to no statistical evidence. And LOL at this part:
Who wrote this hilarious "report"? freerepublic.com: A website which states that their official aim is "to champion causes which further conservatism in America". Lol. So legit.
In any case, to answer the question, Sexuality is graded on a scale. I think that pre-birth factors can give you a large predisposition to one end of a scale, but early envornmental factors may shift a person around a little.

Niklas Langström, Qazi Rahman, Eva Carlström, Paul Lichtenstein: Genetic and Environmental Effects on Same-sex Sexual Behavior:A Population Study of Twins in Sweden - Archives of Sexual Behavior, 2008 (http://www.academia.edu/716701/Genetic_and_environmental_effects_on_same-sex_sexual_behavior_A_population_study_of_twins_in _Sweden)

[Methmatician]

Since it happens in other species I'm going to have to say nature.

[Methusalem]

Is it biological or genetical?

[Loki]

Nature

Evidence?

[SkyBurn]

I find that the nature vs nurture debate is just a euphemistic was of asking: natural vs perversion.

But that's a tangential question; the origin of homosexuality has nothing to do with whether it's a choice or not. Since most (sane) people agree that homosexuals can't choose otherwise, it makes no sense to view it as something scornful. You can't blame people for things that are out of their hands.

[Loki]

I find that the nature vs nurture debate is just a euphemistic was of asking: natural vs perversion.


No it is not.



But that's a tangential question; the origin of homosexuality has nothing to do with whether it's a choice or not. Since most (sane) people agree that homosexuals can't choose otherwise, it makes no sense to view it as something scornful. You can't blame people for things that are out of their hands.

Nice way to silence free expression/debate on the matter. I don't have any problem with other people's choices, it's just interesting to know what leads to homosexuality, you don't think? Why should discussing this be taboo? I'm not judging anyone.

[Mazik]

Voted at nature.

[SkyBurn]

No it is not.

From my experience, people who say that Homosexuality is "learned" also class it with "learned" mental illness.


Nice way to silence free expression/debate on the matter. I don't have any problem with other people's choices, it's just interesting to know what leads to homosexuality, you don't think? Why should discussing this be taboo? I'm not judging anyone.

Sexuality is far too complicated to understand, and scientists discover opposing statistics and data all the time. I'm more interested in the agenda behind people's seemingly innocent opinions. Not trying to silence anybody here.

[Loki]

From my experience, people who say that Homosexuality is "learned" also class it with "learned" mental illness.


You need more experience, then.



Sexuality is far too complicated to understand, and scientists discover opposing statistics and data all the time. I'm more interested in the agenda behind people's seemingly innocent opinions. Not trying to silence anybody here.

So am I, actually ...

[Acquisitor]

imo its mostly nature

interesting fact here, "digit ratio", the length of the fingers depends on the amount of testosterone the fetus gets while being inside of his mother.

http://www.viewzone.com/homohands.jpg

[SkyBurn]

You need more experience, then.

You can even look at this thread itself. Note the religious/political leanings of the people voting in each category, and draw your own conclusions (obviously we're dealing in generalisations here). I have plenty of experience with both sides of the fence, thank you.


So am I, actually ...

If you're implying that I'm spouting an agenda, then yes, you'd be right. My propaganda is :love0033: because I'm a total hippy

[Loki]

If you're implying that I'm spouting an agenda, then yes, you'd be right. My propaganda is :love0033: because I'm a total hippy

I see.

[Methusalem]

I find that the nature vs nurture debate is just a euphemistic was of asking: natural vs perversion.

But that's a tangential question; the origin of homosexuality has nothing to do with whether it's a choice or not. Since most (sane) people agree that homosexuals can't choose otherwise, it makes no sense to view it as something scornful. You can't blame people for things that are out of their hands.

Like pedophilia, necrophilia and zoophilia?

[Loki]

imo its mostly nature

interesting fact here, "digit ratio", the length of the fingers depends on the amount of testosterone the fetus gets while being inside of his mother.

http://www.viewzone.com/homohands.jpg

I'm heterosexual then :p

[Acquisitor]

I'm heterosexual then :p

then ? :D

[Methusalem]

imo its mostly nature

interesting fact here, "digit ratio", the length of the fingers depends on the amount of testosterone the fetus gets while being inside of his mother.

http://www.viewzone.com/homohands.jpg

Is this always the case or just a correlation?

[Loki]

then ? :D

Yeah, judging by my fingers.

[SkyBurn]

Like pedophilia, necrophilia and zoophilia?

I die a little on the inside every time homosexuality is compared to those. There are relevant threads on TA about that, I'm not dignifying that with any more of my time than the following quick retort. I will not go further than this on that topic:

Homosexuality - non harmful to either party, requires valid consent from both sides, and is respectful to both sides. Pedophilia/Necrophilia/Zoophilia do not meet these requirements.

[Trun]

They're all half-Moldavian, that might have something to do with it.

Surely is this. If they were half-Russian, all of them would have been lesbian :rolleyes:

[Mazik]

imo its mostly nature

interesting fact here, "digit ratio", the length of the fingers depends on the amount of testosterone the fetus gets while being inside of his mother.

http://www.viewzone.com/homohands.jpg

I would be uber hetero if that's true. But I am not :shrug:
11 millimeters longer ring finger than index for me.

[Methusalem]

I die a little on the inside every time homosexuality is compared to those. There are relevant threads on TA about that, I'm not dignifying that with any more of my time than the following quick retort. I will not go further than this on that topic:

Homosexuality - non harmful to either party, requires valid consent from both sides, and is respectful to both sides. Pedophilia/Necrophilia/Zoophilia do not meet these requirements.

Thats not the point i was trying to make. I am asking myself are these sexual anomalities due to nature too and can't we blame them for having such fantasies? There is a clear double standard in favour of gays.

[Acquisitor]

I would be uber hetero if that's true. But I am not :shrug:
11 millimeters longer ring finger than index for me.

I also remember reading that if the ring finger is considerably longer then the guy could be an active homosexual, way too manly for girls.

maybe you are one ? I mean that you like "to give" instead of being bottomed ?

[Methusalem]

I would be uber hetero if that's true. But I am not :shrug:
11 millimeters longer ring finger than index for me.

That's not much. In my case it's aroind 11-12 milimeters. I think that's average.

[SkyBurn]

Thats not the point i was trying to make. I am asking myself are these sexual anomalities due to nature too and can't we blame them for having such fantasies? There is a clear double standard in favour of gays.

I doubt that these are nature too. The difference between attraction to males or females (or somewhere between) depends on hormone exposure in the womb (most likely). Those hormones don't dictate a love of blondes or a foot fetish. Similarly, they don't specify things like pedophilia, zoophelia etc. Which is why gay sexual deviants generally go for male animals/corpses/kids whereas straight ones go for female blah dih blah.

On top of that biological reason, homosexuality is in line with normative human desires for intimacy, whereas there is nothing human about sex with the dead or animals.

[Loki]

whereas there is nothing human about sex with the dead or animals.

Who are you to judge?

[Graham]

Is this always the case or just a correlation?

I think it's more to do with testosterone, than being gay or not. 'Exposure to the male hormone testosterone in the womb', some articles say.

[WOOHP]

why are people born gay?what triggers it? What causes homosexuality?
I've read a study suggesting that most people "become" gay sometime between the ages of 5-7 but they usually discover it later on. The cause can be lack of a male role model(for men).

This fits most of my male gay friends. They had usually just contact with females(mother, aunt, grandmother etc) during that time of their life.

[Acquisitor]

On top of that biological reason, homosexuality is in line with normative human desires for intimacy, whereas there is nothing human about sex with the dead or animals.

I remember reading a story about a guy who was 14-16 or so, and one of his female class mates died, it happened in a country where its common to kiss the diseased goodbye before the funeral. So when he kissed her it was his first contact with a female ever, and he kept feeling a strong attraction towards dead young girls from that point on :\ quite strange imo

[Benacer]

imo its mostly nature

interesting fact here, "digit ratio", the length of the fingers depends on the amount of testosterone the fetus gets while being inside of his mother.

http://www.viewzone.com/homohands.jpg

This is fairly odd. My ring finger is considerably longer in comparison to index when it comes to my left hand. Right hand has a slightly higher ratio. Which of the two represent the amount of testosterone I've been exposed to in the womb? :confused: There is also a correlation between testosterone in the womb and being left-handed, apparently.

[Acquisitor]

This is fairly odd. My ring finger is considerably longer in comparison to index when it comes to my left hand. Right hand has a slightly higher ratio. Which of the two represent the amount of testosterone I've been exposed to in the womb? :confused: There is also a correlation between testosterone in the womb and being left-handed, apparently.

looks like you as a male have been exposed to the "right" amount of testosterone.

also I think this study is speculative, google may reveal more info :)

[curupira]

It can be both, sometimes they seem to be born without option, sometimes it is clearly cultural, like the widespread practice of it in Ancient Greece.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I would be uber hetero if that's true. But I am not :shrug:
11 millimeters longer ring finger than index for me.

I have heterosexual hands. What gubbins.

[Lux Aeterna]

Damn Loki, you've made many homo threads lately.. :rolleyes:

I voted nature. One good indication for that being the case are all the men/women who don't want to be homosexual, and have a hard time accepting themselves for who they are. If homosexuality was a choice, I'm sure the people who lives in countries where it's illegal would change their orientation, rather than risking torture or death. I think it's a straight up insult for the men and women who suffered or got killed for being homo, claiming it was just an idea in their head, or a lifestyle choice..

[Loki]

Damn Loki, you've made many homo threads lately.. :rolleyes:


I was about to say it's just my interest at the time, but that could be taken the wrong way :P

[Don Arb]

Since Loki met arberoi here he started to make such threads :P jk

[Liac]

I believe that most homosexuals had genetic predispositions to become what actually they're.

[Manifest Destiny]

Homosexuality has nothing to do with nature. It is a social disease, a sexual perversion... Unless there is something physically wrong with you and you are mentally sick, you are not born gay.

Are you saying that sexual orientation is a choice? If so, tell us all about how you find men and women equally attractive, but choose to be heterosexual for social reasons. :laugh:

[Manifest Destiny]

I believe that most homosexuals had genetic predispositions to become what actually they're.

Interior designers and hairstylists?

[Liac]

Interior designers and hairstylists?

No, I don't think that interior designers and hairstylists are gay. It's just stereotype.

[Mazik]

One good indication for that being the case are all the men/women who don't want to be homosexual, and have a hard time accepting themselves for who they are.

Story of my life..

[Stefan]

Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3026281/posts)

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes.

Um for a researcher, he seems quite illiterate of genetics. Just because two persons have the same exact genotype does not mean they will express the same phenotype. Most things aren't determined solely by genetics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Biological_differen ces_in_gay_men_and_lesbians


A number of twin studies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_study) have attempted to compare the relative importance of genetics and environment in the determination of sexual orientation. In a 1991 study, Bailey and Pillard found that 52% of monozygotic (MZ) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin#Monozygotic_.28.22identical.22.29_twins)broth ers and 22% of the dizygotic (DZ) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin#Fraternal_.28sororal.3B_dizygotic.29_twins) twins were concordant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordance_(genetics)) for homosexuality.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#cite_note-4) 'MZ' indicates identical twins with the same sets of genes and 'DZ' indicates fraternal twins where genes are mixed to a similar extent as non-twin siblings. In 2000, Bailey, Dunne and Martin found similar results from a larger sample of 4,901 Australian twins.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#cite_note-5) Self reported zygosity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygosity), sexual attraction, fantasy and behaviours were assessed by questionnaire and zygosity was serologically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serology) checked when in doubt. They found 20% concordance in the male identical or MZ twins and 24% concordance for the female identical or MZ twins. A meta-study by Hershberger (2001)compares the results of eight different twin studies: among those, all but two showed MZ twins having much higher concordance of sexual orientation than DZ twins, suggesting a non-negligible genetic component.
Bearman and Brückner (2002) criticized early studies of concentrating on small, select samples and non-representative selection of their subjects.They studied 289 pairs of identical twins (monozygotic or from one fertilized egg) and 495 pairs of fraternal twins (dizygotic or from two fertilized eggs) and found concordance rates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordance_(genetics)) for same-sex attraction of only 7.7% for male identical twins and 5.3% for females, a pattern which they say "does not suggest genetic influence independent of social context."
A 2010 study of all adult twins in Sweden (more than 7,600 twins] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#cite_note-karolinska-9) found that same-sex behavior was explained by both heritable factors and individual-specific environmental sources (such as prenatal environment, experience with illness and trauma, as well as peer groups, and sexual experiences), while influences of shared-environment variables such as familial environment and societal attitudes had a weaker, but significant effect. Women showed a statistically non-significant trend to weaker influence of hereditary effects, while men showed no effect of shared environmental effects. The use of all adult twins in Sweden was designed to address the criticism of volunteer studies, in which a potential bias towards participation by gay twins may influence the results;
Biometric modeling revealed that, in men, genetic effects explained .34–.39 of the variance [of sexual orientation], the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61–.66 of the variance. Corresponding estimates among women were .18–.19 for genetic factors, .16–.17 for shared environmental, and 64–.66 for unique environmental factors. Although wide confidence intervals suggest cautious interpretation, the results are consistent with moderate, primarily genetic, familial effects, and moderate to large effects of the nonshared environment (social and biological) on same-sex sexual behavior.



The study referred to in your link was only one of many.

[dado]

Discuss :)

disease .

[Mason8]

Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture?

When it comes to the process of our likes and dislikes, even our sexual orientation, we must take into account both nature and nurture.
Imagine that, BOTH sides are correct at the same time. It's like saying "Reality is neither Black nor White, but different shades of Gray." Or that the duality of life is an illusion of the One True Thing.

[Blackout]

I voted nature. One good indication for that being the case are all the men/women who don't want to be homosexual, and have a hard time accepting themselves for who they are.

Or the ones who 'randomly' keep on talking about homosexuality (usually in a derogatory manner). :rofl_002:

[KidMulat]

Genetic? More like hormonal/endocrine system related effects of fetuses in the womb. But even then most humans are capable of same sex attraction and interaction, I am only talking about those who almost exclusively interacts with the same sex.

[Svipdag]

Discuss :)

No one knows the answer to this question, so why are we discussing it ? We, surely, have nothing to contribute to a long-
running debate.

[Petros Houhoulis]

disease .

Disease is to be a Bosniak typing cat with an infatuation about 'rrrDOGan and all things Turkish...

[Petros Houhoulis]

No one knows the answer to this question, so why are we discussing it ? We, surely, have nothing to contribute to a long-
running debate.

Maybe you should see this. Actually, all of you should...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J04bRx2MGi4

[blogen]

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Calibri]The study referred to in your link was only one of many.

Again:
twin men: 61% non genetic factors
39% maybe (correlation only) genetic factors
- shared environmental effects
61% unique environmental factors

twin women: 81-82% non genetic factors
18–19% maybe (correlation only) genetic factors
16–17% shared environmental effects
64–66% unique environmental factors

source: Niklas Langström, Qazi Rahman, Eva Carlström, Paul Lichtenstein: Genetic and Environmental Effects on Same-sex Sexual Behavior:A Population Study of Twins in Sweden - Archives of Sexual Behavior, 2008 (http://www.academia.edu/716701/Genetic_and_environmental_effects_on_same-sex_sexual_behavior_A_population_study_of_twins_in _Sweden)

[Stefan]

Again:
twin men: 61% non genetic factors
39% maybe (correlation only) genetic factors
- shared environmental effects
61% unique environmental factors

twin women: 81-82% non genetic factors
18–19% maybe (correlation only) genetic factors
16–17% shared environmental effects
64–66% unique environmental factors

source: Niklas Langström, Qazi Rahman, Eva Carlström, Paul Lichtenstein: Genetic and Environmental Effects on Same-sex Sexual Behavior:A Population Study of Twins in Sweden - Archives of Sexual Behavior, 2008 (http://www.academia.edu/716701/Genetic_and_environmental_effects_on_same-sex_sexual_behavior_A_population_study_of_twins_in _Sweden)

The disparity between Monozygotic and Dizygotic twins (whom are both siblings born at the same time and exposed to the same environmental conditions) in the cited study is sufficient enough to give credence to some genetic influence (do note that in my original post I said predisposed factors not genetic, including pre-natal developmental ones.) None of this contradicts my original post, which says that there IS a genetic component, and that it when combined with other environmental factors (such as hormone levels in the womb) surpass social conditioning in the development of homosexuality.

From your study, right in the abstract.


Although wide confidence intervals suggest cautious interpretation, the results are consistent with moderate,primarily genetic,familial effects,and moderate to large effects of the non-shared environment (social and bio-logical) on same-sex sexual behavior.

[blogen]

The disparity between Monozygotic and Dizygotic twins (whom are both siblings born at the same time and exposed to the same environmental conditions) in the cited study is sufficient enough to give credence to some genetic influence (do note that in my original post I said predisposed factors not genetic, including pre-natal developmental ones.) None of this contradicts my original post, which says that there IS a genetic component, and that it when combined with other environmental factors (such as hormone levels in the womb) surpass social conditioning in the development of homosexuality.

From your study, right in the abstract.

No, not enough. This only is assumption, based on slight (18 and 39%) statistical correlation. The deficiency of the context is much more convincing: 61%-81%

[Fortis in Arduis]

Maybe you should see this. Actually, all of you should...

It seems as though the politically correct line in Norway is that homosexuality is a learned behaviour, whereas ancedotal evidence and scientific studies suggest that it is innate and biological. Why would the left-sociologists want to present homosexuality as a choice?

I suspect that they are following that line to block research into a possible cure. :sherlock:

[The Ripper]

Why would the left-sociologists want to present homosexuality as a choice?

Because they don't like biological determinism? Hmm?

[Fortis in Arduis]

Because they don't like biological determinism? Hmm?

These people are un-fucking-believable. Thank you for pointing that out.

[Petros Houhoulis]

It seems as though the politically correct line in Norway is that homosexuality is a learned behaviour, whereas ancedotal evidence and scientific studies suggest that it is innate and biological. Why would the left-sociologists want to present homosexuality as a choice?

I suspect that they are following that line to block research into a possible cure. :sherlock:

These douches suggest that everything can be taught, and that nothing is innate, because of guilt for the NAZI eugenics program which continued in places like Scandinavia until the 1970's. In reality they are sociologists who make theories about everything without to bother to conduct research upon anything. The whole "Brainwash" series convinced me that sociology is not a science. I had ruled out theology and economics as sciences... I am looking for more "scientific" fields which are less useful than astrology, and I'll find more of them among the theoretical part of the educational establishment...

http://www.economist.com/node/155244


Nordic eugenics
Here, of all places

Aug 28th 1997 | COPENHAGEN |From the print edition

THE Nazis were not alone in viewing Nordic peoples as the ideal biological “type”. A lot of Nordics, it now seems, immodestly felt the same way. All four main Nordic countries—Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden—brought in eugenics laws in the 1930s. More remarkably, some of those laws stayed on the statute books until the mid-1970s, though apparently they were not latterly used very often. It is a subject which most of today's Nordic folk would rather keep in decent obscurity, but a series of articles in an influential Stockholm newspaper, Dagens Nyheter, has been shocking the Swedes to the core and making other Nordics look back nervously at the not-so-recent past.

Between 1935 and 1976, the newspaper says, no fewer than 60,000 young Swedish women deemed mentally defective or otherwise handicapped to a degree “which makes them incapable of looking after their children” were sterilised. More embarrassingly, this happened under laws passed in 1934 by a vigorous new Social Democratic government—a hitherto esteemed forebear of Sweden's present rulers. The laws lapsed only in 1976.

To its many supporters in the 1930s, the policy served three purposes: to prevent the “degeneration of the race”, especially as feeble-minded and insane people were supposed to breed more freely than thrifty and energetic people of “superior” stock; to be kind—yes, that is how it was rationalised—to people who needed “protection” against propagating their own weak genes; and lastly, as the Stockholm newspaper explained, to save the state the heavy cost of welfare for the very dim.

Cases of forced sterilisation were, in fact, rare. But many young women must have submitted to pressure, especially those already in special residential homes who were told they would spend the rest of their lives in institutions unless they agreed to be made sterile.

The odd thing is that the grisly tale has remained dormant for so long. The relevant laws and policies have never been hidden to those who wanted to explore them, but until Dagens Nyheter took up the story few of today's Swedes knew anything about it. Which also explains the sudden interest of the international media, taken aback that a country renowned for its generosity to the weak and needy should until quite recently have subjected its most vulnerable citizens to such demeaning treatment.

The government has been quick to don sackcloth and ashes. Margot Wallstrom, the social-affairs minister, has called the sterilisation policies “barbaric”. The government is already setting up a commission and is expected to compensate surviving victims. So far, only about 30 women have been paid, in cases where there were “procedural errors”: compensation to others has been turned down on the ground that sterilisation took place under the law, however wrong that law seems now.

Sweden seems to have been pretty zealous, though, in applying its eugenics. The 60,000 Swedish women made sterile compare with about 11,000 Danes who met a similar fate between 1929 and 1967. The Norwegians and Finns have each confessed to 1,000 or so of their women known to have been forcibly put out of breeding circulation.

Why did such laws last so long? Inertia is one lame answer. The medical and scientific people who underwrote laws in the 1930s were still active—and apparently untroubled by the horror that accompanied revelations of Nazi eugenics—until the 1950s. Only then did the charms of eugenics fade. The principles on which the early Swedish laws were based have been overturned: people can, of course, be made sterile voluntarily, but the authorities cannot insist that they become so.

The Nordics can point out that the alleged merits of compulsory eugenics were widely touted elsewhere in the West. In the Swiss canton of Vaud, a law allowing for compulsory sterilisation of mentally handicapped people remained in effect until the 1970s. Austria's Greens say their country still follows such practices. In the Canadian province of Alberta, nearly 3,000 women were sterilised between 1928 and 1972, many of them forcibly. A number of well-known doctors in America, too, advocated the policy in the 1930s. According to Philip Reilly, an American historian, about 60,000 Americans were forcibly sterilised in that decade, and some 34 states had laws that could impose the practice for much longer.

[Fortis in Arduis]

These douches suggest that everything can be taught, and that nothing is innate, because of guilt for the NAZI eugenics program which continued in places like Scandinavia until the 1970's. In reality they are sociologists who make theories about everything without to bother to conduct research upon anything. The whole "Brainwash" series convinced me that sociology is not a science. I had ruled out theology and economics as sciences... I am looking for more "scientific" fields which are less useful than astrology, and I'll find more of them among the theoretical part of the educational establishment...

http://www.economist.com/node/155244

Certainly, they are very zealous within UK universities, but they can and must be defeated:


Eia's television program contributed to the closure of the Nordic Gender Institute (NIKK) by the Norwegian government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Eia

Goodbye pseudoscientists!

[Petros Houhoulis]

Certainly, they are very zealous within UK universities, but they can and must be defeated:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Eia

Goodbye pseudoscientists!

Eia is a modern hero. We should watch his moves carefully... He might have more pleasant surprises up his sleeve...

[Ice]

it's sick

i can somehow understand if guys in jail, army, abandoned island fuck each other in the ass. but if there are women available why the hell fuck a man?

[Fortis in Arduis]

it's sick

i can somehow understand if guys in jail, army, abandoned island fuck each other in the ass. but if there are women available why the hell fuck a man?

With respect to anal sex, men fit together perfectly well, anatomically, which is why many heterosexual men like things upside themselves, but if it is not your scene then you will not be able to understand it, and you are likely to find it distasteful.

As homo, heterosexuality is anathema to me, just as I cannot understand paedophilia.

[Krampus]

why are people born gay?what triggers it? What causes homosexuality?
Obamacare.

[Jägerstaffel]

I do not think homosexuality is a choice, an option, a decision, or a behaviour that develops as a result of a particular sort of upbringing or set of external circumstances.

It is also not a sin or something that should be or could be changed.

[Fortis in Arduis]

It is also not a sin or something that should be or could be changed.

How dare you defy,
the Big Jew in the Sky?

[Jägerstaffel]

How dare you defy,
the Big Jew in the Sky?

The horned devil made me do it.

[SkyBurn]

How dare you defy,
the Big Jew named Sky?

Fix'd :D

[Benacer]

Maybe you should see this. Actually, all of you should...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J04bRx2MGi4

Very intriguing. At first they say that there is no biological basis, then when confronted they claim "it's not interesting". What in the world? It may not be interesting to them, but a lot of people want to know.

[Moonbird]

I think it's due to both nature and nurture. I also think it varies among gay people, for some it's more nature and for some it's more nurture.

[Dessy]

Homosexuality has nothing to do with nature. It is a social disease, a sexual perversion... Unless there is something physically wrong with you and you are mentally sick, you are not born gay.
I am starting to think it might be inherited in humans as a form of population control.

It's Surprising that Europeans and less likely to be gay, blacks are likey to be bisexual compared to Europeans and asians are more likely to be gay compared to Europeans.

If you think about the extremes, There are a few times less Europeans on this planet than asians

[Pjeter Pan]

I am starting to think it might be inherited in humans as a form of population control.

It's Surprising that Europeans and less likely to be gay, blacks are likey to be bisexual compared to Europeans and asians are more likely to be gay compared to Europeans.

If you think about the extremes, There are a few times less Europeans on this planet than asians
A gay person can still have kids, before being gays was accepted that had families and everything. So I don't know about that be a form of population control.

[Gaston]

It probably has several causes. The spectrum of homosexuality which extend to bisexuality (and to heterosexuality) is so big that I don't think an effeminate sissy and a gay butch biker are homo for the same reason.

[lei.talk]

doyoumindd http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?95869&p=1954638&viewfull=1#post1954638) ...he didn't feel the same way...he is apparently "straight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexuality#Slang)" but I don't believe it.

several as they suffocated
on the fungus clogging their lungs
in the final stages of grid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency),

despite a well-known iteration:



Originally Posted at IMDB http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140447/board/thread/53118675?p=3&d=116508610#116508610) “It involves psychological flaws,
corruptions, errors, or unfortunate premises...
Therefore I regard it as immoral...
And more than that,
if you want my really sincere opinion. It’s disgusting."

chadwick patted my nitrile-gloved hand, reassuringly,
with his staph- and fungus-eroded claw
as he forced from his thrush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidiasis)-clogged throat
"You...just...haven't...met...the...right...man...y et."
the occlusion of my smile by the surgical mask
prompted me to extend the expression to my eyes
(wasted effort - as he was blind by that point).

homosexual proselytising became noticeable in the seventies.

during the fifties and sixties,
my scout master (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?16588&p=309734&viewfull=1#post309734) never approached me
nor my speech and debate coach (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?782&p=65435&viewfull=1#post65435)
nor the vice-principal that ushered me in to mensa (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?5481&p=62245&viewfull=1#post62245)
nor my flight-instructor (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?17757&p=333715&viewfull=1#post333715)
(they carefully groomed me to excell - because
"One must be twice as good as a normal person to be accepted.")
nor any of my associates at the society for creative anachronism (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?3701&p=330452&viewfull=1#post330452)
(which - considering the coterie surrounding diana paxton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Paxson)
and marion zimmer bradley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Zimmer_Bradley) in the late sixties - borders on miraculous, in retrospect).

it was not untill the nineties
that one might encounter
displays of persistent verbal insolence intended to provoke irrumatio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrumatio#Etymology_and_history)
punctuated by suggestive challenges: "Why don't you shut my mouth, big man?"

how obvious can self-hatred be
in its quest to return to the position
it finds most comfortable? (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?94810&p=1932154&viewfull=1#post1932154) :tsk:

the contemporary fiction of democratic egalitarianism
is discomforting to those of low self-esteem:

the perennial erômenos desperately seeking the shelter of an erastês
(a regression - not a growth-process)

which may explain the lack of appeal:
improvement is my goal (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?5362&p=61307&viewfull=1#post61307) - healthy, wealthy and wise (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?94818&p=1955900&viewfull=1#post1955900) are my choices

and behavior as complex and durational as romance
is volitional - there is more than enough time to make a choice
during such a lengthy process.

[bot]

I am always mistaken for being homosexual and have never been able to get a date in my life.

That's music to my ears. I hope this prejudice against you persists ruthlessly and with unrelenting mercilessness.

beep

[Ozzy]

I am intensely homosex.

Why, just the other day, the mail man rang my doorbell and I blew him immediately, against his will. This was the 14th or so mail man to be blown by me, they usually quit afterwards and kill themselves

[MINARDOWICZ]

Wow... Higher Bi + Gay population than I thought... but the Unknown sounds bout right... Interesting.

[armenianbodyhair]

Nope

[Moonbird]

Want to add this: I think nature has a big impact but something that very much speaks for the big importance of nurture is the gay man's relationship (or lack of) with his father. Most gay men appear to either have grown up with an absent father or a father with whom they couldn't establish any good relationship with. A disproportionate big percent of gays have bad relations with their fathers. Something seems to have gone wrong in childhood with the identification with the parent of the same gender.

[Leon_C]

Pretty sure I'm not, I have had homosexual experiences though.

[Blackout]

Hah! I knew there was something up with Edelmann... http://www.betaarchive.com/forum/images/smilies/msn_sunglasses.gif

[blklady2013]

nah. I've been intensely physically aware of the opposite sex since grade school.

[jmls]

No

[ASSYRIAN_Libra]

I'm gay, and I can careless what anyone thinks lol

[Sikeliot]

I'm gay, and I can careless what anyone thinks lol

Me too. Never cared before, and I don't care now either :lol:

[Jägerstaffel]

I'm gay, and I can careless what anyone thinks lol

Care less then.

[Yaroslav]

No, burn in Hell you freaks. All fags should be shot on the spot.

[Jägerstaffel]

No, burn in Hell you freaks. All fags should be shot on the spot.

Now that's not very nice.

[Mark]

No, I am not.

[ASSYRIAN_Libra]

Me too. Never cared before, and I don't care now either :lol:

hhhhhhh LMAO!~ Idk but I already knew that about you :-b I was just waiting. That was weird :picard1:

[Sikeliot]

hhhhhhh LMAO!~ Idk but I already knew that about you :-b I was just waiting. That was weird :picard1:

What made you think so? :lol:

[ASSYRIAN_Libra]

What made you think so? :lol:

My gut feelings don't always fails me. It's only if I allow it naturally.

[Sikeliot]

My gut feelings don't always fails me. It's only if I allow it naturally.

I should send you a picture of someone I know and you tell me if he comes off gay or not :) Someone I have wondered about for some time.

[ASSYRIAN_Libra]

Okay..

[silverbells]

hmm.....HOW WEIRD !! I thought scientists believed that 95% of people are straight. I'm shocked that this poll says 83%. Wow, the media has done good job to convert people from striaght to gay

[KrashNick]

WTF iNird ??

[Mazik]

hmm.....HOW WEIRD !! I thought scientists believed that 95% of people are straight. I'm shocked that this poll says 83%. Wow, the media has done good job to convert people from striaght to gay

Media converting people to homos/bi's? what? how? are you for real? :picard2:

sounds like one of the conspiracy theories you just can't do other things than laugh about.

[Styrian Mujo]

There is no such thing as a homosexual.

[KidMulat]

Media converting people to homos/bi's? what? how? :picard2:
are you for real? sounds like one of the conspiracy theories you just can't do other things than laugh about.

Its pointless really, there are people who think being gay or queer is something new or very rare rather than a common occurrence that in the West was pushed in the margins. People also forget sexuality can and does shift, I know scores of women who having no prior sexual thoughts of women ending up in long term relationships with them.

[Sinsidious]

I'm heterosexual bordering to asexual.

[GrebluBro]

I'm heterosexual bordering to asexual.

Many Indian women are like you..
Asexuals are sadists and their husbands/boyfriends suffer a lot :P

[Sinsidious]

Many Indian women are like you..
Asexuals are sadists and their husbands/boyfriends suffer a lot :P

Well, when I'm in a relationship and have a man accesible my sexual drive is fairly normal, but when I'm single my sexual drive goes down to zero. Very practical tbh, no desire for me to be a "wanker" or have one night stands, not being ruled by hornyness is a freedom :)

[Liac]

No, I'm not. Although I'm not able to understand homosexual behavior I don't hate gays. I don't judge people at all especially not by sexual orientation, it's everyone's private thing.

[Sinsidious]

People also forget sexuality can and does shift, I know scores of women who having no prior sexual thoughts of women ending up in long term relationships with them.

So you're implying sexual orientation is more of a choice than something you're born with? Intresting.

[Bobby Martnen]

May as well put myself down as Bisexual, even though I'm more Pansexual...

Do you have sex with pans or something?

[NSXD60]

Means he'd f- a woodpile on the chance it had a snake in it, so, anything.

[TEUTORIGOS]

No, I have slept with like about 26 or more different women. I could have slept with more but there is more important things in life than chasing women.



You cannot imagine it in the history of France… Frenchmen are much more interested in women; Anglo-Saxon men are not, and this is a problem that needs analysis.’


– Edith Cresson (French Politician)



Homosexuality can rightly be called an Anglo-American vice. Homosexuality is particularly prevalent in Anglo-Americana; many male entertainers, actors, writers, artists and intellectuals make no secret of their attraction to their own sex.



Biological explanations of homosexuality are currently in vogue. While they hold some truth, they do not really explain why homosexuality is more prevalent in Anglo-American countries than, for example, the Hispanic world (where it is viewed with horror).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amosmagazine.wordpress.com/2017/08/02/why-is-homosexuality-so-prelevent-in-anglo-saxon-countries/amp/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adip93FwyAQ

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f5/ef/7e/f5ef7ebe87a8f3d42129b9b508b50bbe.jpg


Homosexuality is a malady of les Rosbifs !:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW-zV1i3qGA

[Mortimer]

Im not a Homosexual, but I have also sexuality problems. I have smaller penis and Erectyl Dysfunction.

[Gold-Shekel]

Do you have sex with pans or something?

Some people need help, just because pans have a hole on the handle doesn't mean they should have sex with it. Those people are deviant and dangerous, if we let that happen we might end up with people breaking into kitchens to rape pans.

[renaissance12]

Im not a Homosexual, but I have also sexuality problems. I have smaller penis and Erectyl Dysfunction.

You have no hope... From Serbia.. short penis..:cool:


I' m not homophobic but i can't stand a gay nearby me.
Gay marriage and gay adoption are "indication" that degraded Europe will melt like snow in the sun..

Which father would whish a fagot son....?
Which son would whish a fagot father ... ?

[Bosniensis]

You have no hope... From Serbia.. short penis..:cool:

how do you know that?

From personal experience?

[Mortimer]

You have no hope... From Serbia.. short penis..:cool:


I' m not homophobic but i can't stand a gay nearby me.
Gay marriage and gay adoption are "indication" that degraded Europe will melt like snow in the sun..

Which father would whish a fagot son....?
Which son would whish a fagot father ... ?

I think gay is abnormal and unnatural but I would accept my son if he were gay. I would still love him.

[renaissance12]

how do you know that?

From personal experience?

I was joking... i have no idea who Mortimer is...

[Bosniensis]

I was joking... i have no idea who Mortimer is...

he he

[renaissance12]

I think gay is abnormal and unnatural but I would accept my son if he were gay. I would still love him.

To accept and to wish have different meanings..( at least in Italiano )

[Mortimer]

To accept and to wish have different meanings..( at least in Italiano )

ok no i wouldnt wish to be a fagg. that i wouldnt like but i would love him despite.

[TEUTORIGOS]

English people Proper Forms of Address:

Limey, lime-eater, pom, poof, sister-boy.

An Anecdote Illustrating Something of the English Character:

In his unpublished memoirs, Benjamin Disraeli tells the story of a political conference with then-Prime Minister William Gladstone, who habitually conducted such private discussions while being fellated by an able-bodied seaman of the Royal Navy. At one point during their talk, the sailor suddenly looked up from Gladstone's penis and said, "Excuse me, Sir, but you've come."

"By Jove, so I have," said Gladstone, and he gave the tar a sovereign.


https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/01/elton.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXd5jgxOGkU

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/dc/72/2bdc72be7f0b16cc49f2e82de04b057b.jpg

[Odin]

Nope.