Catalan Youth Choir - Saule, Perkons, Daugava

[Hercus Monte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzLZCQmoUhY#t=30

[Comte Arnau]

After copying the Baltic Way, now we adapted this inspiring song to Catalan. Nice steps but I personally hope the end of the road is the same too. :)

The lyrics are different though because they're based on a well-known late poet of ours, Miquel Martí i Pol. The video seems filmed in a meaningful part of Barcelona demolished by the Spanish king 300 years ago to control the Barcelonans after our defeat by building a huge military fortress. Hence why the 1714-2014 thing. A real tribute to the fallen.

Now it's time to say Catalonia persists in all and each one of us. :icon_yes:

[Hercus Monte]

After copying the Baltic Way, now we adapted this inspiring song to Catalan. Nice steps but I personally hope the end of the road is the same too. :)

The lyrics are different though because they're based on a well-known late poet of ours, Miquel Martí i Pol. The video seems filmed in a meaningful part of Barcelona demolished by the Spanish king 300 years ago to control the Barcelonans after our defeat by building a huge military fortress. Hence why the 1714-2014 thing. A real tribute to the fallen.

Now it's time to say Catalonia persists in all and each one of us. :icon_yes:

I get the impression you want us to support you.

[Comte Arnau]

I get the impression you want us to support you.

I must admit I didn't know this song until two days ago.

I think the Baltic Way was a good thing to copy, though. Seeing a human chain along 400 km of coast here was impressive. Rather than looking for support, I think the organizers' aim was focused on showing that this is a peaceful process, not a Balkanoid one.

[Hercus Monte]

I must admit I didn't know this song until two days ago.

I think the Baltic Way was a good thing to copy, though. Seeing a human chain along 400 km of coast here was impressive. Rather than looking for support, I think the organizers' aim was focused on showing that this is a peaceful process, not a Balkanoid one.

support cant hurt, there is discussions of supporting the Catalonian cause. albeit we really don't want to deal with Spain.

[Comte Arnau]

support cant hurt, there is discussions of supporting the Catalonian cause. albeit we really don't want to deal with Spain.

Support is very welcome indeed, and we search for it through many ways. But most of us are aware that real support won't come until things happen. Before that, most governments are going to either support the Spanish side or just say that it's a domestic affair, it's logical. I'd say the former prime minister from your country has been the only one who didn't deny his support even after the Spanish diplomacy had pressured him to, as they've done with other countries. Kudos to that.

[Hercus Monte]

Support is very welcome indeed, and we search for it through many ways. But most of us are aware that real support won't come until things happen. Before that, most governments are going to either support the Spanish side or just say that it's a domestic affair, it's logical. I'd say the former prime minister from your country has been the only one who didn't deny his support even after the Spanish diplomacy had pressured him to, as they've done with other countries. Kudos to that.

it's not just the former PM, it's also a former president and several important parliamentarians. Most notably L. Donskis. I like his quite, ''we have no right to deny a historic nation the right to exist.''

[Comte Arnau]

it's not just the former PM, it's also a former president and several important parliamentarians. Most notably L. Donskis. I like his quite, ''we have no right to deny a historic nation the right to exist.''

Really? I didn't know about that. I sympathize now even more. I guess most people in the Baltic nations still remember their own right to exist fairly well.

[Hercus Monte]

Really? I didn't know about that. I sympathize now even more. I guess most people in the Baltic nations still remember their own right to exist fairly well.
yeah, the discussion is if we should be to you, what Iceland was to us.

[Empecinado]

Compare Baltic countries situation with the Catalan one is a joke, and only can fool people who ignore the history of Spain.

[FeederOfRavens]

Compare Baltic countries situation with the Catalan one is a joke, and only can fool people who ignore the history of Spain.

Are you saying Catalan is more serious than Baltic problems

[Empecinado]

Are you saying Catalan is more serious than Baltic problems

No, I'm saying that it is no point comparing Russia/USSR occupation of Baltic countries with Catalonia being part of Spain.

[FeederOfRavens]

No, I'm saying that it is no point comparing Russia/USSR occupation of Baltic countries with Catalonia being part of Spain.

Ok, I agree.

[Hercus Monte]

Compare Baltic countries situation with the Catalan one is a joke, and only can fool people who ignore the history of Spain.

no one is suggesting that. the general consensus in the baltics is that Catalonia has a right to exist. The only question is if we should do anything about that.

[Comte Arnau]

He says that because he thinks that Catalonia has never been occupied. The traditional official history for Spaniards is that Spain was born out of an old happy union between Castile and Aragon, that both crowns lived happily ever after until they got magically unified, and that Catalans are just something between a pain in the ass and whining motherfuckers who have not a right to decide by themselves because we belong to them. In other words, that we are only allowed to exist in one specific way: hidden under a Spanish rotten carpet.

The irony is that, the more illegal Spaniards consider the referendum to be, the most possible there is a Yes result over 50% in November.

[Empecinado]

Catalan separatism has only gained popular relevance from only some few decades ago, Catalans traditionally have considered themselves to be Spaniards and that's what matters to me, not a fucking trendy separatism of twitter, globalization and pseudo-Cuban flags followed by the the most decadent generations.

[Comte Arnau]

Catalan separatism has only gained popular relevance from only some few decades ago,

Yeah, and Pau Claris proclaimed the Republic of Catalonia in 1641 because he had had a bad day at work. :zombie00:


Catalans traditionally have considered themselves to be Spaniards

When exactly is "traditionally"? During the Habsburgs, when the Spains were still a union of different kingdoms and people from one Crown felt foreign in the other? Did Catalans feel Spaniards with the coming of the Bourbons, with all those foreign troops invading the land, abolishing secular laws and liberties and banning our language? Wait, it must have been under Franco then... wasn't it? --Yet I agree, if we search well, we'll always be able to find nobles, mercenary soldiers, rich businessmen or well-paid artists (that will depend on the century) who considered themselves "Spanish", that for sure. Pagant Sant Pere canta. :wof:

Truth is, neither have Spaniards ever in history considered Catalans to be Spaniards, at least when they have been sincere. It's been four long centuries of anti-Catalan comments. Some quite good, I admit, like Quevedo's. Calling us three-hand thieves, or the most wretched creature ever created by God are due to his literary genius, he caught our spirit at once. Gotta love this one too: As long as there is one single Catalan in Catalonia, we'll have enemies and war. Un amor de hombre.

The Spanish media today are also doing some very good work now in their anti-Catalan bias, though. They try hard to. Still I think that ABC should learn of their articles from the past. This one of 1917 in particular was gold:

We Spaniards feel often outraged when Catalans speak Catalan. But there's something that outrages us even more -when Catalans speak Spanish. We tolerate the Galician lilt, the syntax of the Basques, everything, but that particular accent of the Catalans is almost an offense for us. We can't think of anything spiritual or kind said with a Catalan accent. Catalans, because of their accent, are unable for most things once they leave Catalonia. Their jokes and wits fail, even their political speeches. (...) We would tolerate the English accent, the French accent, even the Prussian accent, before accepting the Catalan accent. And the worst thing of all is that Catalans can't leave their accent. (...) The Catalan language might not have developed so much if Castilians had had some tolerance with regard to the accent of the Catalans. But they didn't, so Catalans will speak more and more Catalan every day. (ABC, 1917)

Cicero's worthy. :clap2:


and that's what matters to me, not a fucking trendy separatism of twitter, globalization and pseudo-Cuban flags followed by the the most decadent generations.

Oh well, fortunately what you find cool or not is completely irrelevant for Catalans. Societies -even more those based on millenary nations- have the total right to decide how to they want to be ruled. But I'm aware that this must be really hard to understand for those who still believe in occupations and derechos de conquista.

The estelada is as pseudo-Cuban as the Spanish flag is pseudo-Catalan. We could go further back and say the Cuban is pseudo-Texan, etc. What matters is that the only true Catalan one is the oldest in Europe. That should prevail.

Apples are apples and oranges are oranges. And Catalans -names say it all- are Catalans. Simple as fuck.