Iranians are NOT indo-Europeans

[ButlerKing]

Haplogroup R1a1-M17 is 0% to only 4% in many parts of Iran. Aside from that they are dominated by haplogroup E-M96 , F-M89, J2-M162.

They even have non-caucasian haplogroups like haplogroup L-M20 at 8% and O3-M122 at 6%

Showing how Iranians are not only non-Indo-European in Y-DNA haplgroup but are even mixed with haplogroups from South Indian aborigines and East Asian migrants to an certain extend


Iranian/Tehran (n=24):

21% (5/24) E-M96
46% (11/24) F-M89(xI-M170, J2-M172, H1-M52, K-M9)
21% (5/24) J2-M172
4% (1/24) L-M20
4% (1/24) R1-M173(xR1a1-M17)
4% (1/24) R1a1-M17


Iranian/Shiraz (n=12):

8% (1/12) E-M96
42% (5/12) F-M89(xI-M170, J2-M172, H1-M52, K-M9)
25% (3/12) J2-M172
8% (1/12) K-M9(xO-M175, L-M20, N1c-M46, P-M45)
8% (1/12) L-M20
8% (1/12) P-M45(xQ1-M120, R2-M124, Q3-M3, R1-M173)

Iranian/Esfahan (n=16):

25% (4/16) E-M96
31% (5/16) F-M89(xI-M170, J2-M172, H1-M52, K-M9)
25% (4/16) J2-M172
6% (1/16) O3-M122
6% (1/16) P-M45(xQ1-M120, R2-M124, Q3-M3, R1-M173)
6% (1/16) R2-M124

[Smaug]

Of course they are, shut up, they are the true Aryans.

[ButlerKing]

Of course they are, shut up, they are the true Aryans.

Than why is the haplogroup only 0% to 4%?

I though R1a1 is the true indo-european marker

[FeederOfRavens]

How much R1a1 do North Indians have?

[ButlerKing]

How much R1a1 do North Indians have?


Depends on what group the lowest can have 45% and highest 82% R1a1.

Lol even central Indians and south Indians have much higher R1a than Iranians

[Yaroslav]

Troll thread.

[blogen]

:picard1:

The Iranians speaks an Indo-European language, so they are clear and unquestionable Indoeuropeans.

[ButlerKing]

Troll thread.

Not troll



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[Yaroslav]

Not troll



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[ButlerKing]

:picard1:

The Iranians speaks an Indo-European language, so they are clear and unquestionable Indoeuropeans.


Language connection. Yes.


Just like Turkish are only connected with Turkic by language.

[Also]

Iranians are indo-european aryans :P

[ButlerKing]

Yo. Iranian are more related with speakers of Semetic, Afro-Asiatic in terms of haplogroup.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Than why is the haplogroup only 0% to 4%?

I though R1a1 is the true indo-european marker

First off, they are indo-ranians. Second off 4% or so remaining DNA fro 5k+ years ago sounds realistic.

[ButlerKing]

First off, they are indo-ranians. Second off 4% or so remaining DNA fro 5k+ years ago sounds realistic.

Why only 4% ?

[blogen]

Language connection. Yes.
Just like Turkish are only connected with Turkic by language.

There is not an other connection. Indoeuropean = Indoeuropean speaker.

[Yaroslav]

Yo. Iranian are more related with speakers of Semetic, Afro-Asiatic in terms of haplogroup.

Bro you need an anal probe? Stop pulling crap out of your rear.

[ButlerKing]

There is not an other connection. Indoeuropean = Indoeuropean speaker.

What than is the origin of Indo-European speaker haplogroup :laugh2:

I though all the previous arguments on this forum ( including others ) was to prove R1a1 is the indo-european marker and Iranians R1a is small to non-existant. They are properly indo-europeanized linguistically just like Turkish were Turkified linguistically but with some central Asian admixture

[Kale]

Why only 4% ?

Indo-Europeans > Persians > Assyrians > Persians > Greeks > Arabs > A bunch of people. Shit goes down there quite a lot.

[blogen]

What than what is the origin of Indo-European speaker haplogroup :laugh2:

I though all the previous arguments on this forum ( including others ) was to prove R1a1 is the indo-european marker and Iranians R1a is small to non-existant. They are properly indo-europeanized linguistically just like Turkish were Turkified linguistically but with some central Asian admixture

Who cares their origin. They are indoeuropeans, as these Jamaican Indoeuropeans for example:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-501f2f73/turbine/sns-rt-cbre87504g200.jpg-20120805/600

And we do not know the punctual origin of the Eastern European R1a.

[Smeagol]

They are, because they speak an Indo-European language.. This is not a question of genetics.

[Also]

Who cares their origin. They are indoeuropeans, as these Jamaican Indoeuropeans for example:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-501f2f73/turbine/sns-rt-cbre87504g200.jpg-20120805/600


They are anglo-americans xD

[Jaska]

Again, there is no point to use linguistic labels like Indo-European when talking about genes. Neighbouring peoples tend to share a lot of genes with each other, no matter if they are linguistically related or not.

Language can only momentarily be connected to a certain haplogroup; in another place at another time it may be connected to another haplogroup.

[Black Wolf]

Again, there is no point to use linguistic labels like Indo-European when talking about genes. Neighbouring peoples tend to share a lot of genes with each other, no matter if they are linguistically related or not.

Language can only momentarily be connected to a certain haplogroup; in another place at another time it may be connected to another haplogroup.

Very well said and nice to see you here Jaska. :)

[Stears]

TYPE IN ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA:"Proto Indo Europeans" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

and see the maps about original ancient IE people!France Britain Italy haven't signifficant proto indoeuropean genes.The Germanic people have also very very low ratio of ancient IE haplogroup markers (R1a),only Eastern Europeans have high ratio of original proto IE haplogroups markers.Western European languages belongs to IE language group,but in very very distant way.(Have you ever heard about Language-shift? The IE linguistic effect spreaded as a lingua franca between many many populations during thousands of years)The real genetical IE people equal with the Eastern European people: and it represent lower culture,technology&lower scientific economic development in European continent.

[Stears]

Romani gypsy people speak the most ancient IE languages, their language is the closest relative of ancient sanskrit language.

[Stears]

A sample of the real original indo european language which is close to ancient sanskrit:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cooTi_Uh5w4

[SKYNET]

drama queen xD

[Stears]

drama queen xD Did you criticize the echte ancient Indo-European language?

[StonyArabia]

They are Mesopotamians

[Leto]

Bullshit. Indo-Europeans are a linguistic group. What do Germans, Greeks, Pashtuns and Armenians have in common apart from their Indo-European languages?

[SKYNET]

Bullshit. Indo-Europeans are a linguistic group. What do Germans, Greeks, Pashtuns and Armenians have in common apart from their Indo-European languages?





This.

[SKYNET]

Did you criticize the echte ancient Indo-European language?




only the linguistic matters, not the racial

[Hubal]

According to this, west and east Slavs are the only IEs

[kurd]

I am kurdish and I know Iran is like central europeans, stuck in the middle but will always kiss semetic arab groidal butt.. Just like western europeans do and resent r1a in europe..

its the same. Iran is not Aryan .. they think 'white' is aryan .. when they look like borat, gengis khan, saddam hussein etc.. Only southern Iranians are aryan... CHECK GENETICS.

[Ars Moriendi]

I am kurdish and I know Iran is like central europeans, stuck in the middle but will always kiss semetic arab groidal butt.. Just like western europeans do and resent r1a in europe..

its the same. Iran is not Aryan .. they think 'white' is aryan .. when they look like borat, gengis khan, saddam hussein etc.. Only southern Iranians are aryan... CHECK GENETICS.

Because Kurds look white and Iranians look like semitic mongrels, right?

I think this calls for Wadaad's input, his specialty to deal with this kind of people :laugh:

[Shah-Jehan]

I am kurdish and I know Iran is like central europeans, stuck in the middle but will always kiss semetic arab groidal butt.. Just like western europeans do and resent r1a in europe..

its the same. Iran is not Aryan .. they think 'white' is aryan .. when they look like borat, gengis khan, saddam hussein etc.. Only southern Iranians are aryan... CHECK GENETICS.


Iran has Kurds as well in parts like Kermanshah, Azerbaijan etc

[kurd]

Because Kurds look white and Iranians look like semitic mongrels, right?

I think this calls for Wadaad's input, his specialty to deal with this kind of people :laugh:

Who said anything about 'white' ? ... semites like you are obsessed with being white and not the extinction of r1a1a.

You are the reason Blonde Aryans are being extinct with your delusion of being 'white'. Im talking about haplogroup r1a1a .. iran just doesn't have enough of it as they claim.

[mikhail]

I could have sword this would have been a thread started by Anglojew...

[Gustave H]

Their language is Indo-European, and they were once pure Whites (Aryans). Thousands of years of mixing and them becoming Muslims is what changed it all..However, I've met many of them, and I'd consider many of them to be good people, even though they are of a mixed ethnic and probably mixed racial background.

[Ars Moriendi]

Their language is Indo-European, and they were once pure Whites (Aryans). Thousands of years of mixing and them becoming Muslims is what changed it all..However, I've met many of them, and I'd consider many of them to be good people, even though they are of a mixed ethnic and probably mixed racial background.

Ethnoracially, Persians of today are quite similar if not identical to Persians from the Median and Achaemenid days. They were never blonde Europoids.

[kurd]

Ethnoracially, Persians of today are quite similar if not identical to Persians from the Median and Achaemenid days. They were never blonde Europoids.

Bull ... even darker aryans can carry the blonde gene more than a swiss can and WTF is 'blonde europoid' ?? A blonde from spain that looks like BA Baracus from the A-Team ?

the aryan race is not only blonde, but non-blonde aryans carry the blonde gene much further. i.e. RUSSIA.

Iran and many places AROUND the world have aryans subjected to semetic relgions, society, way of life, behavioural traits and much more, thus the Islamic & Mongol empire is killing off Aryans regardless of blonde or not.