Turkey: Y-DNA in different provinces

[ButlerKing]

Y-DNA study of 9 Turkish provinces and it appears many have different proportion of haplogroups to other provinces. Although J2 is the most common in majority of the provinces and R1b most common in other provinces. However the 2nd and 3d most common are usually different including other smaller frequencies.

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Instanbul : J2 20% , E 16%, R1b 15%, I 10%, R1a 9%, G2 7%, J1 7%, L 5%, C 5%, K 4%, N 2%


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Dogu Karandeniz: J2 19%, R1b 15%, L 12%, J1 10%, G2 10%, E 9%, N 7%, G1 6%, R1a 5%, I 2%, K 2%, C 1%, O 1%, Q 1%


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Dogu Anadolu: J2 27% , E 15%, R1b 14%, J1 12%, R1a 11% , G2 7%, Q 6%, L 4%, G1 1%, H 1%, N 1%, K 1%


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Ic Anadolu: J2 29%, R1b 16%, G2 12%, E 9%, R1a 6%, N 6%, J1 6%, I 4%, K 3%, L 3% , Q 3%, C 1%, H 1%, R2 1%


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Marmara: J2 31%, J1 15%, E 15%, R1b 13%, I 12%, R1a 4%, G 4%, L 2%, R2 2%, H 2%

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Ege: R1b 20% , G2 20%, J2 14%, N 10%, A 7%, E 7%, I 7%, J1 3%, K 3%, L 3%, Q 3%, R1a 3%

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Guneydogu Anadolu: J2 25%, R1a 14%, R1b 14%, G2 14%, E 9%, J1 7%, I 5%, K 5%, R2 5%, N 2%

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Bati Karadeniz: R1b 31%, J2 28%, I 10%, G 10%, J1 7%, N 4%, C 4%, E 3%, R2 3%

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Akdeniz: J2 25%, R1b 21%, J1 15%, E 12%, R1a 9%, G2 9%, I 3%, N 3%, K 3%

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[ButlerKing]

South Asian haplogroups can ranges 0% to as high as 15%. ( Haplogroup L , found high in South Indian and in some gypsies subgroups)


Eastern Eurasian haplogroup can ranges 3% to as high as 13% ( Haplogroup Q, N found high in Siberian Turks, where as Mongolian C and O can range to 5.5% as high )



Sub Saharan African haplogroup: Is found in 0% in almost all province except for one provinces where it reaches 7% in one province ( Haplogroup A typical of Bantu and other SSA )


It really depends where it was sampled. Just like autsomal DNA study some provinces are only 3-5% where as other are 10-15%.

[Guapo]

Theyre not european , no surprise

[ButlerKing]

Ironically some of these haplogroup R1b have relations with Central Asia rather than West European. If they came from central Asian Turkmen it would mean they were already hybrisized by Mongoloid. It is believed a portion of R1b in Turkey came from Central Asian Turkmen admixture

For example the Turkmen of Afghan have 45% Q and 25% R1b ( others in Turkmenistan have 30% R1b and only 7% Q) . But it wouldn't be surprising that at least some of the Turkmen invaders that had carried R1b in Turkey would have looked like this man.

( A turkmen seller from Kabul Afghanistan )

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[random]

South Asian haplogroups can ranges 0% to as high as 15%. ( Haplogroup L , found high in South Indian and in some gypsies subgroups)


Eastern Eurasian haplogroup can ranges 3% to as high as 15% ( Haplogroup Q, N found high in Siberian Turks, where as Mongolian C and O can range to 5.5% as high )



Sub Saharan African haplogroup: Is found in 0% in almost all province except for one provinces where it reaches 7% in one province ( typical of Bantu and other SSA )

" Here the tribes of hunters split into two main groups; one group moved north into central Asia while the other moved south into Pakistan and the Indian subcontinent. The group that moved south eventually settled the Indian subcontinent, and it is thought that one or more of the defining mutations for Haplogroup L (M11, M20, M22, M61, M185, M295) originated within this population about 30,000 years ago. However, Haplogroup L has also been tentatively associated with the expansion of farming; if this is a valid hypothesis, it would therefore imply a non-Indian origin of Haplogroup L (Qamar et al. 2002). "
http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/13


Haplogroup R1a is common in south asia too, is it south asian to you ? seriously how dumb can you be ?

[ButlerKing]

" Here the tribes of hunters split into two main groups; one group moved north into central Asia while the other moved south into Pakistan and the Indian subcontinent. The group that moved south eventually settled the Indian subcontinent, and it is thought that one or more of the defining mutations for Haplogroup L (M11, M20, M22, M61, M185, M295) originated within this population about 30,000 years ago. However, Haplogroup L has also been tentatively associated with the expansion of farming; if this is a valid hypothesis, it would therefore imply a non-Indian origin of Haplogroup L (Qamar et al. 2002). "
http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/13


You don't know what you're talking about.




Haplogroup R1a is common in south asia too, is it south asian to you ? seriously how dumb can you be ?


There are Europeans that cluster with South Asians R1a rather than European. R1a is not exclusively South Asian origin but some R1a are.

Further research on Turkish Y-DNA groups

" A study from Turkey by Gokcumen (2008)[22][23] took into account oral histories and historical records. They went to four settlements in Central Anatolia and did not do a random selection from a group of university students like many other studies. Accordingly here are the results:

At an Afshar village whose oral stories tell they come from Central Asia they found that 57% come from haplogroup L, 13% from haplogroup Q, 3% from haplogroup N thus indicating that the L haplogroups in Turkey are of Central Asian heritage rather than Indian, although these Central Asians would have gotten the L markers from the Indians from the beginning. These Asian groups add up to 73% in this village. Furthermore 10% of these Afshars were E3a and E3b. Only 13% were J2a, the most common haplogroup in Turkey. "

[random]

There are Europeans that cluster with South Asians R1a rather than European. R1a is not exclusively South Asian origin but some R1a are.

Further research on Turkish Y-DNA groups

A study from Turkey by Gokcumen (2008)[22][23] took into account oral histories and historical records. They went to four settlements in Central Anatolia and did not do a random selection from a group of university students like many other studies. Accordingly here are the results:

1) At an Afshar village whose oral stories tell they come from Central Asia they found that 57% come from haplogroup L, 13% from haplogroup Q, 3% from haplogroup N thus indicating that the L haplogroups in Turkey are of Central Asian heritage rather than Indian, although these Central Asians would have gotten the L markers from the Indians from the beginning. These Asian groups add up to 73% in this village. Furthermore 10% of these Afshars were E3a and E3b. Only 13% were J2a, the most common haplogroup in Turkey.

Guess what ? Indians didn't exist 30 thousand years ago. Chechens have it to and they have 0% south asian admix.

[ButlerKing]

Guess what ? Indians didn't exist 30 thousand years ago. Chechens have it to and they have 0% south asian admix.

Indians didn't exist 30,000 years ago? lol. And sorry to hurt your feelings but Chechens do have south Asian admixture although in little percentages of 4.5%

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/DodecadCaucasus.jpg


By the way this graph apparently didn't include East Asian and south European DNA.

[random]

Indians didn't exist 30,000 years ago? And sorry to hurt your feelings but Chechens do have south Asian admixture although in little percentages of 4.5%

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/DodecadCaucasus.jpg


It's common in durze and they are only 1-3% south asian. it's also somewhat common in northeast italians and some Austrians and they don't have south asian/south Indian admix.

You can't link haplogroups that originated 30 thousand years ago to modern day ethnicities. that's just dumb.

[ButlerKing]

It's common in durze and they are only 1-3% south asian. it's also somewhat common in northeast italians and some Austrians and they don't have south asian/south Indian admix.

You can't link haplogroups that originated 30 thousand years ago to modern day ethnicities. that's just dumb.


Indians such as dravidian speakers and other South Indian ethnic with ultra high L had already existed before the time of Indo-European speakers. And no. You're very wrong about Druze and Italians. Druze haplogroup L is non-existan in 2 groups, only 2% in one group ( of course it be non-existant). The other group is also only 8%. Only 1 group was 27%. In Italian and Austrian this is non-existant in the majority of their population except for isolated cases.

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A 2008 study published on the genetic background of Druze communities in Israel showed highly heterogeneous parental origins. A total of 311 Israeli Druze were sampled: 37 from the Golan Heights, 183 from the Galilee, and 35 from Mount Carmel, as well as 27 Druze immigrants from Syria and 29 from Lebanon. The researchers found the following frequencies of Y-chromosomal haplogroups:[66]

Mount Carmel: L 27%, R 27%, J 18%, E 15%, G 12%.
Galilee: J 31%, R 20%, E 18%, G 14%, K 11%, Q 4%, L 2%.
Golan Heights: J 54%, E 29%, I 8%, G 4%, C 4%.
Lebanon: J 58%, K 17%, L 8%, Q 8%, R 8%.
Syria: J 39%, E 29%, R 14%, G 14%, K 4%.

[random]

Indians such as dravidian speakers and other South Indian ethnic with ultra high L had already existed before the time of Indo-European speakers.

And no. You're very wrong about Druze and Italians. Druze haplogroup L is non-existan in 2 groups, only 1% in one group ( of course it be non-existant). The other group also only 7%. Only 1 group was 27%.

A 2008 study published on the genetic background of Druze communities in Israel showed highly heterogeneous parental origins. A total of 311 Israeli Druze were sampled: 37 from the Golan Heights, 183 from the Galilee, and 35 from Mount Carmel, as well as 27 Druze immigrants from Syria and 29 from Lebanon. The researchers found the following frequencies of Y-chromosomal haplogroups:[66]

Mount Carmel: L 27%, R 27%, J 18%, E 15%, G 12%.
Galilee: J 31%, R 20%, E 18%, G 14%, K 11%, Q 4%, L 2%.
Golan Heights: J 54%, E 29%, I 8%, G 4%, C 4%.
Lebanon: J 58%, K 17%, L 8%, Q 8%, R 8%.
Syria: J 39%, E 29%, R 14%, G 14%, K 4%.

You have no basic understanding of genetics, talking to you is a waste of time.

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[ButlerKing]

You have no basic understanding of genetics, talking to you is a waste of time.

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The only thing I understand from you is that you don't want haplogroup L in Europe or in western eurasian population to be related with South Asians ( even though it's more like a South Indian marker ).

[random]

The only thing I understand from you is that you don't want haplogroup L in Europe or in western eurasian population to be related with South Asians ( even though it's more like a South Indian marker ).

No, it's most common in the Hindu kush mountains region. We talking about one sub-clade here, other sub-clades of L are not even found in dravidian speaking groups.

http://gentis.ru/img/y/M20.gif

[ButlerKing]

No, it's most common in the Hindu kush mountains region. We talking about one sub-clade here, other sub-clades of L are not even found in dravidian speaking groups.

http://gentis.ru/info/ydna-tutorial/hg-l/m20

Yeah, and for your info the Hindu Kush mountains region is full of people that originated from South Indian tribes.


Others may have different subclades but " Haplogroup L-M20 is associated with South Asia. "

And it's distribution is most common in South Asia today although the spread of the haplogroup in Central Asia and Caucasus may have date back long before the Turkic expansion so they wouldn't have looked anything like Indians. In Turkey, haplogroup L seems much more recent.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg/823px-Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg.png

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L1a-M27

http://gentis.ru/img/y/M27.gif

L1c-M357

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L1b-M317
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[random]

Yeah, and for your info the Hindu Kush mountains region is full of people that originated from South Indian tribes.


Others may have different subclades but " Haplogroup L-M20 is associated with South Asia. "

And it's distribution is most common in South Asia today although the spread of the haplogroup in Central Asia and Caucasus may have date back long before the Turkic expansion so they wouldn't have looked anything like Indians. In Turkey, haplogroup L seems much more recent.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg/823px-Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg.png

The hindu Kush region has Iranian, Indo Aryan and Turkic tribes currently. No dravidians.

[ButlerKing]

L1a-M27

http://gentis.ru/img/y/M27.gif

L1c-M357

http://gentis.ru/img/y/M357.gif

L1b-M317
http://gentis.ru/img/y/M317.gif



It doesn't matter bro. Even Kyrgyz and Turkic speaking population with R1a1-z93 are different to Europeans. Can we say that R1a1-z93 is only Turkic ( and not indo-european ) since it existed in them many thousands years back?

[random]

It doesn't matter bro. Even Kyrgyz and Turkic speaking population with R1a1-z93 are different to Europeans. Can we say that R1a1-z93 is only Turkic ( and not indo-european ) since it existed in them many thousands years back?

That's my point. We can't link ancient haplogroups to relatively modern ethnicities.

[ButlerKing]

That's my point. We can't link ancient haplogroups to relatively modern ethnicities.


The Kyrgyz have 63% R1a and 42% Western Eurasian mtDNA ( HV being the most common)

Can one really claim those haplogroup as Mongoloid if they came from central Asians? For example if their offsprings was the result of Kyrgyz man with R1a mixed with a European women or Kyrgyz women with HV mixed with European man. Can we really say the Central Asia R1a is paternally Mongoloid or the mtdna HV is Mongoloid?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ik7T0xGbvSM/Rrsz-qmb7_I/AAAAAAAACHc/BuaY8r2aR5k/s400/Kyrgyz%2Bpeople2.jpg

[Anglojew]

Real Turks are haplogroup Q!

[ButlerKing]

Real Turks are haplogroup Q!


Yes but most Turks have only 3% Q although 2 provinces had shown 6% to 6.5% Q, others are only 0-2%

[ButlerKing]

I'm refering to Turkish Turks who have only mostly 2-3% Q and in some cases 6 - 6.5% Q

Although Turkmens have 31% Q, the ones in Iran, Afghan, Pakistan have 42.6% Q to 50% Q where as the ones in Turkmenistan have 7% Q to 23% Q

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA).PNG

[Black Wolf]

It makes sense that haplogroup J2 (J2a mostly) is the most common haplogroup in the majority of Turkish/Anatolian provinces seen here. The vast majority of J2a in Turkey/Anatolia today probably comes from the indigenous pre-Turkic population.

[ButlerKing]

It makes sense that haplogroup J2 (J2a mostly) is the most common haplogroup in the majority of Turkish/Anatolian provinces seen here. The vast majority of J2a in Turkey/Anatolia today probably comes from the indigenous pre-Turkic population.

And if you add haplogroup J1 which is 7 - 15% Turks than the most common haplogroup marker for Turkish people are J's. Haplogroup J2 is very common among the southern Caucasus people and J1 is found in similar frequencies on average. Perhaps the pre-Anatolian population were more related with Indo-Europeans of southern Caucasus.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/J-Y-DNA-Distribution.jpg

[Black Wolf]

[QUOTE=ButlerKing;2867599]And if you add haplogroup J1 which is 7 - 15% Turks than the most common haplogroup marker for Turkish people are J's. Haplogroup J2 is very common among the southern Caucasus people and J1 is found in similar frequencies on average. Perhaps the pre-Anatolian population were more related with Indo-Europeans of southern Caucasus.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/J-Y-DNA-Distribution.jpg[/QUOTE

The highest frequencies of haplogroup J2a in the world are found among the Ingush and Chechens of the North Caucasus. Pretty much all of the J2a among the Ingush and Chechens is part of the M67 subclade.

[ButlerKing]

[QUOTE=ButlerKing;2867599]And if you add haplogroup J1 which is 7 - 15% Turks than the most common haplogroup marker for Turkish people are J's. Haplogroup J2 is very common among the southern Caucasus people and J1 is found in similar frequencies on average. Perhaps the pre-Anatolian population were more related with Indo-Europeans of southern Caucasus.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/J-Y-DNA-Distribution.jpg[/QUOTE

The highest frequencies of haplogroup J2a in the world are found among the Ingush and Chechens of the North Caucasus. Pretty much all of the J2a among the Ingush and Chechens is part of the M67 subclade.


Oh? perhaps they are ethnic minorities in north Caucasus regions that originated from the south?

[Proto-Shaman]

lol guys stop this Turks are Q or N or R shit... Turks are simply P !!! :laugh: