classify Romania 2014 national football team players

[Nurzat]

as romania has larger or smaller but numerous different ethnic groups and some of the players in the national team are of minority groups (hungarians, serbians, gypsies), i've only considered ethnic romanians for this thread. most of these players came to fame while at Steaua Bucharest, where they formed an awesome group, playing almost every year in the UEFA Champions' League. they're all from the 'current squad' section in the article on Romanian national team on Wikipedia

1 - GK - Ciprian Tătărușanu (AC Fiorentina, Italy)

http://www.gsp.ro/usr/imagini/2012/06/29//499244-ciprian-tatarusanu.jpg

2 - DF - Vlad Chiricheș (Tottenham Hotspur, England)

http://www.inainte.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/chiriches.jpg
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/uploadedImages/Shared_Assets/Images/Player_Profiles/2013-2014_1st_Team/vlad-chitiches-new.jpg

3 - DF - Alexandru Mățel (Astra Giurgiu, Romania)

http://i.imgur.com/8UTCSvT.jpg

4- DF - Bogdan Mitrea (Viitorul Voluntari, Romania)

http://centos.frf.ro/public/images/uploads/images/Mitrea.jpg
http://www.lpf.ro/setImage/picture-Bogdan-Mitrea1.jpg-550-421-2,north-85.jpg

5 - DF - Dorin Goian (Asteras Trippolis, Greece)

http://www.cuvantul-ortodox.ro/recomandari/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DorinGoian.jpg
http://www.sportnews.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/GOIAN_15_03_5578f34698.jpg

6 - MF - Gheorghe Grozav (Terek Grozny, Russia)

http://www.fotbal-flash.ro/Gheorghe-Grozav-ratare-penalty.jpg

7 - MF - Costin Lazăr (PAOK Thessaloniki, Greece)

http://www.pamesports.gr/thumbnail?filepath=/contentfiles/superleague/PAOK/lazar%2024-04-13.jpg&width=620&height=446
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Alg%C3%A9rie-Roumanie_-_20140604_-_Constantin_Laz%C4%83r.jpg/640px-Alg%C3%A9rie-Roumanie_-_20140604_-_Constantin_Laz%C4%83r.jpg

8 - MF - Alexandru Bourceanu (Trabzonspor, Turkey)

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/250011128.jpg
http://ilfovsport.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/bourceanu.jpg

9 - MF - Mihai Pintilii (Al-Hilal Riyadh, Saudi Arabia)

http://binaryapi.ap.org/44609e67cef346f1870ebd9e199ef1f0/512x.jpg
http://www.romaniansoccer.ro/ewcms/uploads/images/Jucatori/1romania/pintilii_mihai/447x193_pintilii_mihai_012.jpg

10 - FW - Alexandru Maxim (VfB Stuttgart, Germany)

http://adevarul.ro/assets/adevarul.ro/MRImage/2013/10/16/525e48efc7b855ff56424cde/646x404.jpg
http://mediadb.kicker.de/2014/fussball/spieler/xl/73087_11_2013711115313904.jpg

11 - FW - Gheorghe Bucur (Kuban Krasnodar, Russia)

http://media.realitatea.ro/multimedia/image/201002/full/gigel_79106800.jpg
http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/401/581/7956/10742432/1/bucur.jpg?width=815

[interes]

Nordid 100 they look more nordidi than english or irish football team

[Nurzat]

1 - Carpathic (Alpine/Dinaric), would pass in all Carpathians from Poland to Serbia
2 - Noric, would pass in Yugoslavia and Austria too
3 - Baltic/North Pontic, would pass in Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus too, Russia also, maybe even Poland
4 - Subnordic/Faelic, neutral look, Germanic/West Slavic vibe
5 - Keltic Nordic, would pass in Britain
6 - North Pontic, would pass in Ukraine, Moldoa, Belarus, Russia, Poland
7 - CroMagnon, rare look, archaic European, doesn't look specific to any region, a rather Germanic vibe
8 - West Baltic/Nordic, would pass in Germany and Poland
9 - Nordic/North Pontic, doesn't look specific to any region, a rather North Balkanic vibe
10 - Nordic/East Nordic, mixed Germanic/Slavic features, would pass in all Germanic and Slavic countries
11 - Baltic, would pass in Belarus, Ukraine, Russia too

[Zmey Gorynych]

Combinations of Pontid, Dinarid, Nordid, Cromagnoid and Alpinoid. None of these players have dyed hair.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Romania
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/romania-trinidad-tobago-romanian-national-team-image-beginning-friendly-football-match-bucharest-th-june-31476516.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/romanian-national-team-27724789.jpg

Hungary
http://www.hungarianfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Hungary-Under20-Just-Football-508x259.jpg
http://www.fifa.com/mm//Photo/WorldFootball/MenRanking/01/51/30/52/1513052_FULL-LND.jpg


You have wrong diopter in your glasses.
go suck some cock on the shores of balaton, gypsy magyarok

[Stears]

Are romanians white? http://rewrite.origos.hu/s/img/i/0712/20071218romania58.jpg

[Nurzat]

ok, but half of the romanian national team is blue-eyed blonde, how come you can only find these on germanic and slavic national teams in all europe?

and you're very delusional posting gypsies to count as "romanians" :) what's obvious is obvious. you must be very upset with your life to take it personally against a simple classification thread with no cherrypicked players - these really are the players of the national team

and i don't understand the trolling of hungarians - i am a fan of hungary and by no means i would ever say such things about our great neighbour, and i know the importance of hungarian influence in the middle ages + the hungarian rule over transylvania, so i am not a nationalist, i don't understand why you come with such lame trolling thrashing this thread instead of classifying

+ if half of the romanian national team is so light, there must be a huge light pool in romania. and there is

[Nurzat]

+ you're using Vlach types of south romania or obvious gypsy individuals in order to state that these are typical "romanians"

this is me and my class in college (northeast romania), obviously light germanic/slavic in features as a group, plus a minor balkanic influence. haters :) so nice to lie to yourself and use overtanned romanians that work in the west or downright gypsies to state your lies, huh? and since your young girls are dating africans, eastern europe might remain the most european place in the world in the next decades

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/453x640q90/825/classjv.jpg

[Nurzat]

can a mod delete the off-topic posts, please? the war between hungarians and romanians here has nothing to do with the OP. i am not ethnically hungarian or romanian and i take no sides in this, but the people are exaggerating on both sides - hungarians exaggerate on romanians' appearance and romanians exaggerate on their historic - medieval - past, minimizing hungarian influence and importance, so all romanian-hungarian wars onsuch forums are from the start a trolling playground; so please stay on the topic or ignore the thread. actually it's only one member - Stears - that is ruining this thread, and as far as i know he has an ongoing war with his hungarian countrymen too, often naming them gypsy, slavs or balkanites..

[Nurzat]

this thread totally got off-topic :) i don't understand wherefrom all this hatred against romanians and if it's normal to hate on ethnic romanians for the shit done in western countries by the roma minority and what's the logic behind trying to prove that romanians are the same with the gypsies, ethnically/phenotype-wise, although all data, including genetics - see the maps on Dodecad or Eurogenes - shows romanians to overlap on their southern end with bulgarians and on their northern end with hungarians.. thus romanians come in all shapes - central european, balkanic, eastern european, a minority even northern european looking, just the same as in the rest of the region

[Zmey Gorynych]

this thread totally got off-topic :) i don't understand wherefrom all this hatred against romanians and if it's normal to hate on ethnic romanians for the shit done in western countries by the roma minority
Relax man, it's the internet. It's perfectly all right to hate on people here. Hell, 90% of us are here to upset other people :)

[Voorpost]

The genetics show your less european ancestry. Your pigmentation, wide faces also confirm that. See the largest European population genetic database: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml Wallachia and Moldavia were founded by your turkic cuman elite. Deal with it.

Lol man, there is no problem with romanian genetics, 90% are totally european, you seem to know as little in genetics as the usual pathetic cunt/robotic stuff you are spreading continuously about others. And by less european ancestry, what do you mean ? Nowaday Europa is very diversified and anyone can potentially have ancestry with anyone today, and some are surprising, and by Wallachia and Moldavia being ruled by turks/cumans, I would'nt talk about turks/cumans for you are their main descendants, genetically and historically confirmed, even anthropologically and facially you seem more to resemble them than true europeans.

btw, it is a well known fact that Hungarians are bunch of asian cockraoches that filthy infiltrated Europa and settled down like gypsis through turkic/Uyghours invasion in the carpathian area during the end of antiquity. and through its time, it never had any historic significance or importance, mainly being a cunt region or even a pawn state for some events, nothing else. None here even knows that you are of catholic faith.

and Stears can look like whatever he wants, he seems to be a hatefull stupid hungarian moron like many of his fellows, and even if it's really him on these pictures, he looks childish and odd.

[Ctwentysevenj]

this thread totally got off-topic :) i don't understand wherefrom all this hatred against romanians and if it's normal to hate on ethnic romanians for the shit done in western countries by the roma minority and what's the logic behind trying to prove that romanians are the same with the gypsies, ethnically/phenotype-wise, although all data, including genetics - see the maps on Dodecad or Eurogenes - shows romanians to overlap on their southern end with bulgarians and on their northern end with hungarians.. thus romanians come in all shapes - central european, balkanic, eastern european, a minority even northern european looking, just the same as in the rest of the

region

Just like Italy, you can have ones that that nearly look like Arabs in the south:( and you have ones that look like from northern Europe up in the north:) it just shows quite a few European countries have a very mixed ethnic mix. There have been a lot of movement of people's all over Europe over the centuries. Europe is not that large place, if you don't include The Russian part of Europe.

[Stears]

Lol man, there is no problem with romanian genetics, 90% are totally european, you seem to know as little in genetics as the usual pathetic cunt/robotic stuff you are spreading continuously about others. And by less european ancestry, what do you mean ? Nowaday Europa is very diversified and anyone can potentially have ancestry with anyone today, and some are surprising, and by Wallachia and Moldavia being ruled by turks/cumans, I would'nt talk about turks/cumans for you are their main descendants, genetically and historically confirmed, even anthropologically and facially you seem more to resemble them than true europeans.

btw, it is a well known fact that Hungarians are bunch of asian cockraoches that filthy infiltrated Europa and settled down like gypsis through turkic/Uyghours invasion in the carpathian area during the end of antiquity. and through its time, it never had any historic significance or importance, mainly being a cunt region or even a pawn state for some events, nothing else. None here even knows that you are of catholic faith.

and Stears can look like whatever he wants, he seems to be a hatefull stupid hungarian moron like many of his fellows, and even if it's really him on these pictures, he looks childish and odd.

Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the genetic CHART of European nations:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

And see the high ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J” and african E1b1) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.


Do not forget that vast majority of balkan population is not only genetically but anthropogically less white (average darker eye and hair color, skin tone) so-called „WOG” people. Just type in google image searcher: „eye color map” , „hair color map”.


Skin tone map:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png


Hair color map
http://uclahealthservices.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hair_color_map_europe.png


Eye color map:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ilng4Lm9CI0/UKoaYrEoD_I/AAAAAAAAATw/8NebRqUEAOk/s1600/eyecolour.png

[Stears]

Lol man, there is no problem with romanian genetics, 90% are totally european, you seem to know as little in genetics as the usual pathetic cunt/robotic stuff you are spreading continuously about others. And by less european ancestry, what do you mean ? Nowaday Europa is very diversified and anyone can potentially have ancestry with anyone today, and some are surprising, and by Wallachia and Moldavia being ruled by turks/cumans, I would'nt talk about turks/cumans for you are their main descendants, genetically and historically confirmed, even anthropologically and facially you seem more to resemble them than true europeans.

btw, it is a well known fact that Hungarians are bunch of asian cockraoches that filthy infiltrated Europa and settled down like gypsis through turkic/Uyghours invasion in the carpathian area during the end of antiquity. and through its time, it never had any historic significance or importance, mainly being a cunt region or even a pawn state for some events, nothing else. None here even knows that you are of catholic faith.

and Stears can look like whatever he wants, he seems to be a hatefull stupid hungarian moron like many of his fellows, and even if it's really him on these pictures, he looks childish and odd.



Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations. Hungary is a Central European country, and part of the Catholic-Protestant western civilization. Hungary is not Eastern European (Orthodox = semi-asian culture) country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png


What is Western Civilization?
The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)
It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (and technological) differences between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.

MEMENTO:
Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:

1.Medieval appearance of parliaments (a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the beginning of human history),
2. Knights, the knight-culture and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,
3.The self-government status of big royal/imperial cities, (local government systems of cities), which is the direct ancestor of modern self/local governmental systems.
4. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls , The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)
5. The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)
6.The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals,
7.Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,
8.The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,
9.The medieval western theater: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays,
10.The ARTS: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style.
The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by non-European arabic and persian influenced ornamentics.




The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century.

[Stears]

In the reality, the late-nomadic Vlachs (romanians) migrated from Bulgaria and South-Eastern Serbia to the present-day territory of Romania in the 13th century. The daco-romanian continuity myth is not generally accepted, that's why all major Western Encyclopedias (E.Encarta, E. Britannica, E.Americana, German Brockhaus, French Larousse etc...) mention the romanian state-supported daco-romanian myth, but they are also mention the reality: the Vlach migration from the Balkans in the 13th century..


Vlachs (medieval romanians) were the latest people who introduced the literacy in Europe, and they were one of the latest shepherd nomadic people in Europe. (There were no orthodox bishopry in medieval Vallachia Moldavia, most monks came from Serbia). Due to the lack of literacy and own history writting (chronicles) until the 15th century, the poor romanians had to built up a "speculative history-writting" (or fabricated history), where speculations based on earlier speculations and fictions etc..

There are no material proofs (cemetries cultic places) which can support the romanian (vlach) existence in present-day territory of romania before the 1200s. There are no CONTEMPORARY written documents about the existence Vlachs in the territory of later Vallachia Moldavia Transylvania before the 1200s.


WERE WERE YOU HIDING for 800 years dear "daco"-romans?

The neo-latin elements in Romanian language remain the best proof agaist daco-roman theory. Unlike other neo-latin languages, there are no proofs for development of dacian language into a neo-latin language, because there are not remained dacian vocabulary for the posterior. The dacian conquest was the shortest lasting conquest of the Roman Empire in Europe, it lasted only 160years, the relations between the roman legions and dacians remianed hostile. (Note: The contemporary multi-ethnic legionaries were Roman citizens, but they were recruited from various primarily multinational, non-Latin provinces, so THEY WERE NOT ROMANS ) This very short & hostile circumstance are not an ideal contingency for romanization process. There are no CONTEMPORARY historic records for the survive of dacians after the Roman withdrawal, and later the territory was the FOCAL POINT of great migrations (serials of many strong powerfull and brutal barbaric tribes and people such as Huns, Goths, Gepids Longobards, Avars, Pechenegs and Cumans.). There are tons of contemporary written documents (chronicles from early medieval to high medieval age etc.) about the sheprherd nomad Vlachs in Balkan peninsula, but there are no material or written proofs for their existence in the present-day territory of Romania before the 1200s. However the roman rule lasted for 500+ years in many territories of Balkan peninsula (where vlachs were often mentioned by many early medieval chronicles) There is also no trace of lingual influence from any of the other peoples who lived in Transylvania after the withdrawal of the Romans, the Huns, Goths, Gepids Longobards, Avars, Pechenegs and Cumans. If these languages did not have any influence on the Rumanian language, we can be sure that this is proof that at that time there were no Wallachian settlers in Transylvania.



The territory of later Wallachia region belonged to the Bulgarians first, later it came under Byzantine rule. Both Moldavia and Wallachia became occupied and ruled by the Cumans. Later your principalities became vassal state of the Hungarian kings and Polish kings, than romanians became an Ottoman province until 1878.

[Lily]

Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations. Hungary is a Central European country, and part of the Catholic-Protestant western civilization. Hungary is not Eastern European (Orthodox = semi-asian culture) country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png


What is Western Civilization?
The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)
It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (and technological) differences between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.

MEMENTO:
Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:

1.Medieval appearance of parliaments (a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the beginning of human history),
2. Knights, the knight-culture and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,
3.The self-government status of big royal/imperial cities, (local government systems of cities), which is the direct ancestor of modern self/local governmental systems.
4. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls , The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)
5. The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)
6.The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals,
7.Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,
8.The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,
9.The medieval western theater: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays,
10.The ARTS: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style.
The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by non-European arabic and persian influenced ornamentics.




The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century.

This is classic. I think I have memorized it by now. :tongue

[Voorpost]

Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the genetic CHART of European nations:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

And see the high ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J” and african E1b1) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.


Do not forget that vast majority of balkan population is not only genetically but anthropogically less white (average darker eye and hair color, skin tone) so-called „WOG” people. Just type in google image searcher: „eye color map” , „hair color map”.


Skin tone map:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png


Hair color map
http://uclahealthservices.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hair_color_map_europe.png


Eye color map:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ilng4Lm9CI0/UKoaYrEoD_I/AAAAAAAAATw/8NebRqUEAOk/s1600/eyecolour.png

Genetically you seem to cluster more with Cumans/tartars central asiatic people which have quite the exact genetic makeup than Hungrians. it wouldn't surprise me at all that there is a reminscence of them in the actual hungarian population. Talking about various "J" "Q" (Q being turko-mongoloid) you have quite the double effectif of J haplogroup than Romania while your countrie is smaller than Romania with a much more centric population, which suggest that people with J markes quite effectively spread throughout your countrie than trhoughout Romania, while Romania is better suited and conditionned than Hungaria, quite curious, isn't it ?

and talking about genetics, E1b1b1 or currently know as E-M35 who is an subranch of E-M215 is widely scattered in europe, and scientist argue that it may have spread in europe through Egypte in the pleistocene time. So much for being a smartass in genetics, while you don't even 1/4 of them. and Arumans/vlach or so called "balkanit" score much more compounent of mesolithic I1 than any hungarians, while they have a lot of R1b samwise, so perhaps you should reconsider your definition of "less european", steppnigger.

and please just explain how slavs are less european than Hungarians historrical seeing ? They score much more european blood than any of your steppniggers dwelling in central asia now, you probably have 0 clue about anything, and are just here to spread/propagate random bullshit (probably from your dement cunt leaders) about others while your country is considerred as almost foreign in Europe, being hardly known by anyone except by austrians, and they also show no mercy for Hungarians.

[Voorpost]

Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations. Hungary is a Central European country, and part of the Catholic-Protestant western civilization. Hungary is not Eastern European (Orthodox = semi-asian culture) country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png


What is Western Civilization?
The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)
It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (and technological) differences between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.

MEMENTO:
Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:

1.Medieval appearance of parliaments (a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the beginning of human history),
2. Knights, the knight-culture and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,
3.The self-government status of big royal/imperial cities, (local government systems of cities), which is the direct ancestor of modern self/local governmental systems.
4. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls , The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)
5. The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)
6.The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals,
7.Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,
8.The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,
9.The medieval western theater: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays,
10.The ARTS: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style.
The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by non-European arabic and persian influenced ornamentics.




The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century.

Hungaria protestant ? my ass, and Orthodoxy has not being know for being anti-western, but it's being hated by the western (quite the opposite than what you are saying) and you can add paganism/shamanism into the "semi-asian" sphere.

and since when was hungaria being mentionned anywhere into the Occidentalis sphere ? You literally suffered invasion/conquest during the middle-ages and have been mostly subjugated into slaves; you just have links with the western sphere influence with your kings and queens (who were also of foreign descendance) and your are just laughable when you try to include Central europe into the Occidental influence while it wasn't even formed at it's time (not until the crusades)


The chateaus and fortification systems predates the time of the Romans: you can actually thank them if you were even able to build any, for their influences had reached more than only the "west".

And through ME, social/cultural were mainly spread and influenced through literature: I can hardly think of any "economical" improvement (except in England), and damn man, bougeosies didn't exist until the French revoltion: Noblemen/Kings and Queens were the main ruler, the rest didn't count.

and Renaissance started in Italy (through the fall of Constantinople), nothing to do with Hungaria. I doubt even central europe was affected with the Philisophy of enlightenment that occured France afterwards.

The use and start of latin alphabet can be dated back much more before the ME, and the movable type printing was invented in Germany by Gutenberg.

[Voorpost]

just look a this fool, trying to pretend he or his country is more Western related than any of its neighbouring countries, posting the same bullshit endlessly. what the fuck have you even studied in "Hungaria" ? I bet you don't even have a descent job for being a cocksucking moron loosing its time trying to troll anyone on this forum.

[Stears]

Hungaria protestant ? my ass, and Orthodoxy has not being know for being anti-western, but it's being hated by the western (quite the opposite than what you are saying) and you can add paganism/shamanism into the "semi-asian" sphere. and since when was hungaria being mentionned anywhere into the Occidentalis sphere ? You literally suffered invasion/conquest during the middle-ages and have been mostly subjugated into slaves; you just have links with the western sphere influence with your kings and queens (who were also of foreign descendance) and your are just laughable when you try to include Central europe into the Occidental influence while it wasn't even formed at it's time (not until the crusades) The chateaus and fortification systems predates the time of the Romans: you can actually thank them if you were even able to build any, for their influences had reached more than only the "west". And through ME, social/cultural were mainly spread and influenced through literature: I can hardly think of any "economical" improvement (except in England), and damn man, bougeosies didn't exist until the French revoltion: Noblemen/Kings and Queens were the main ruler, the rest didn't count. and Renaissance started in Italy (through the fall of Constantinople), nothing to do with Hungaria. I doubt even central europe was affected with the Philisophy of enlightenment that occured France afterwards. The use and start of latin alphabet can be dated back much more before the ME, and the movable type printing was invented in Germany by Gutenberg. Idiot. This is the collection of medieval Western civilization which things did not exist in your orthodox semi-asian world. Protestantism was spreaded earlier in Hungary than in England or Scandinavia or France. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity_in_Hungary

Central Europe (Germany Bohemia Hungary Austria Slovakia) is de facto old and ancient part of the Western World. That is not interesting that fortifications existed in roman empire or in greece or in egypt or even in ancient sumeria. You orthodox countries had no castle fortification systems (except greek byzantines) your country were wooden countries. Only the monarchical residences have some stone buildings in Romania (due to the lack of masons in romania and orthodox slavic countries) Constantinaples had little part in renaissance. Hungary was the first country which adopted the renaissance from Italy. Renaissance did not exist in your backward orthodox world. Romanians and Orthodox Slavs built hovel-like little primitive churhes and buildings )Only byznatines built the hagia Sophia) All countries were effected by enlightenment which were part of the western (catholic-protestant world) becuase there were a medieval "iron curtain" between orthodox east and west after the schism. Printing invented in germany and it spreaded in western christian world quickly, =Hungary had prining presses and peper mills earlier than England) however in Orthodoox semi-asian world , the printing appeared much later (iron curtain effect)

Do not forget you were late nomadic nation, which introduced the writing (literacy) the last in Europe.

[Stears]

Genetically you seem to cluster more with Cumans/tartars central asiatic people which have quite the exact genetic makeup than Hungrians. it wouldn't surprise me at all that there is a reminscence of them in the actual hungarian population. Talking about various "J" "Q" (Q being turko-mongoloid) you have quite the double effectif of J haplogroup than Romania while your countrie is smaller than Romania with a much more centric population, which suggest that people with J markes quite effectively spread throughout your countrie than trhoughout Romania, while Romania is better suited and conditionned than Hungaria, quite curious, isn't it ? and talking about genetics, E1b1b1 or currently know as E-M35 who is an subranch of E-M215 is widely scattered in europe, and scientist argue that it may have spread in europe through Egypte in the pleistocene time. So much for being a smartass in genetics, while you don't even 1/4 of them. and Arumans/vlach or so called "balkanit" score much more compounent of mesolithic I1 than any hungarians, while they have a lot of R1b samwise, so perhaps you should reconsider your definition of "less european", steppnigger. and please just explain how slavs are less european than Hungarians historrical seeing ? They score much more european blood than any of your steppniggers dwelling in central asia now, you probably have 0 clue about anything, and are just here to spread/propagate random bullshit (probably from your dement cunt leaders) about others while your country is considerred as almost foreign in Europe, being hardly known by anyone except by austrians, and they also show no mercy for Hungarians. Sorry Hungarians have no turkic central asian Q marker. So there is no linguistic (Hungarian is a real european origin finno-ugric language, unlike the IE languages.) and genetic relations between central asians turks and Hungarian population.

Watch the world's largest genetic haplogroup marker database about european people (with the representation of most samples): http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

It clearly shows that Northern Germanic people and slavic people mixed with mongoloids during the prehistoric times. Read about in Dienekes' anthropology blog (unlike you or me he is a real scientist)

e1b1 is african marker

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Distribution_of_haplogroup_e1b1a_in_Rosa_2007.jpg

Haplogroup J has semitic relations: http://www.dnaarab.com/imgcache/2/1033alsh3er.png

[Stears]

Haplogroup I1 http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I1.gif

[Stears]

just look a this fool, trying to pretend he or his country is more Western related than any of its neighbouring countries, posting the same bullshit endlessly. what the fuck have you even studied in "Hungaria" ? I bet you don't even have a descent job for being a cocksucking moron loosing its time trying to troll anyone on this forum. You are unable to be western. Western culture customs arts science societal and economic development originated in Western christian world. Western World = Western Christian (Catholic protestant) Wrong. Not all of our neighbouring countries are parts of the eastern (orthodox ) world. Only romania and serbia.

The identification of Western Civilization with the Western Christianity (Catholic-Protestant) was the traditional Western viewpoint and subdivision before the Cold War era. Google-books results of English language books between the 1800 - 1960 period: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22western+christianity%22+%22western+wor ld%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3US_UfOUN9D04QTElIHwDQ&ved=0CCUQpwUoBA&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1800%2Ccd_max%3A1960&tbm=bks

[Stears]

I'm sure Voorpost is a new sockpuppet of a banned romanian.

[blogen]

as romania has larger or smaller but numerous different ethnic groups and some of the players in the national team are of minority groups (hungarians, serbians, gypsies), i've only considered ethnic romanians for this thread. most of these players came to fame while at Steaua Bucharest, where they formed an awesome group, playing almost every year in the UEFA Champions' League. they're all from the 'current squad' section in the article on Romanian national team on Wikipedia

http://img.ie/ye5zq.jpg

Vlad Chiricheș has flat cheekbone with strong Taurid character, so he is a Pamirid Europo-Mongoloid. Here is a close Tatar sample from Bulgaria:
http://s27.postimg.org/7c2skkjz3/pamirid_11.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/7c2skkjz3/)

And from Hungary:
http://s27.postimg.org/crgkinhun/pamirid_15.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/crgkinhun/)

[Stears]

as romania has larger or smaller but numerous different ethnic groups and some of the players in the national team are of minority groups (hungarians, serbians, gypsies), i've only considered ethnic romanians for this thread. most of these players came to fame while at Steaua Bucharest, where they formed an awesome group, playing almost every year in the UEFA Champions' League. they're all from the 'current squad' section in the article on Romanian national team on Wikipedia Ethnic Romanians = black hair eyes and olive skin-tone. Around 80% of the Romanian population have black hair and 90% have dark brown eyes (DO NOT count the dyed hair of women and the grey hair of older people)

Romanian skiheads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRrFUs87uIU Romanian "white-power" nazi movement:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViviKoVieEI

[TCDA1986]

#5 and #10 are as British as they come. #5 looks like Colin Hendry.

https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=colin+hendry&rlz=1C1KMZB_enGB556GB556&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=kiDqU5uwEoOr0QW-74HIAQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=667

[Tooting Carmen]

A lot more Dinarid and a lot less Med/Pontid than I was expecting. The fifth one looks strikingly like Ignazio Abate.

[Tooting Carmen]

Btw, I am not saying that Romanians are the swarthiest people on Earth, but I have met quite a few in Britain (NOT Gypsies, I can assure you) and most definitely look Southern European/Mediterranean, yet as someone else said, this thread makes them look lighter than native English people. Here is a thread I made ages ago about ethnic English football players incidentally: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98808-Ethnic-English-football-players

[Nurzat]

romania is a 20+ million people nation and the cultural, genetic and phenotype dfferences between its west, northeast and south regions are noticeable. you cannot count lower class people you meet working in the west as relevant for the native population.. or, worse, gypsies, that are a nation of their own and are present in all europe from medieval times, being as "native" to romania and hungary as they are to sweden or uk

[Vlach]

Btw, I am not saying that Romanians are the swarthiest people on Earth, but I have met quite a few in Britain (NOT Gypsies, I can assure you) and most definitely look Southern European/Mediterranean, yet as someone else said, this thread makes them look lighter than native English people. Here is a thread I made ages ago about ethnic English football players incidentally: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98808-Ethnic-English-football-players

Ofcs we have and swarthy people( non gypsies). Romanias and Romania in general is very diverse. :)

[Vlach]

Btw, I am not saying that Romanians are the swarthiest people on Earth, but I have met quite a few in Britain (NOT Gypsies, I can assure you) and most definitely look Southern European/Mediterranean, yet as someone else said, this thread makes them look lighter than native English people. Here is a thread I made ages ago about ethnic English football players incidentally: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98808-Ethnic-English-football-players

Being a blue-eyed and pale in Romania is not something exotic...., being non-gipsy swarthy, is something exotic in Romania :)

[Stears]

romania is a 20+ million people nation and the cultural, genetic and phenotype dfferences between its west, northeast and south regions are noticeable. you cannot count lower class people you meet working in the west as relevant for the native population.. or, worse, gypsies, that are a nation of their own and are present in all europe from medieval times, being as "native" to romania and hungary as they are to sweden or uk Black eyebrows and blond hair? Are you idiot? The Gypsy boys dyed their hair... That's all.

[Leto]

Btw, do Moldovans differ significantly from Romanians in terms of phenotype? I've thought they're somewhat darker.

[Ness]

1. Baltid-Dinarid
2. Dinarid
3. Baltid-Pontid
4. Sub-Nordid
5. Noric
6. Noric
7. Dinarid-Borreby
8. Borreby
9. Nordid
10. Nordid-West Baltid
11. Carpathid

[Nurzat]

Btw, do Moldovans differ significantly from Romanians in terms of phenotype? I've thought they're somewhat darker.

Moldovans have higher EastSlavic influence overall and less Germanic/Hungarian and of course much much less Dinaric types, that are abundant in Romania. there are some dark Moldovans, usually because of steppe influence (apart from the Pontic ones, we cannot consider Pontic type as dark... dark hair and eyes with light skin still means 100% light European, it all depends on facial features/proportions). after all the whole region East of the Carpathians was inhabited by lots of different peoples throughout history

and to answer your question: Moldovans are slightly lighter as percentage than Romanians

[Stears]

this thread totally got off-topic :) i don't understand wherefrom all this hatred against romanians and if it's normal to hate on ethnic romanians for the shit done in western countries by the roma minority and what's the logic behind trying to prove that romanians are the same with the gypsies, ethnically/phenotype-wise, although all data, including genetics - see the maps on Dodecad or Eurogenes - shows romanians to overlap on their southern end with bulgarians and on their northern end with hungarians.. thus romanians come in all shapes - central european, balkanic, eastern european, a minority even northern european looking, just the same as in the rest of the region pfffff.... 90% of Romanians have black hair and brown monkey eye color with olive skintone, and they have average short body-height.

[Stears]

ROMANIAN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. Why are average romanians so swarthy?

Forget the colored and dyed hair of women, concentrate only on the men (who rarely have colored/dyed hair).

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[Stears]

ROMANIAN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. Why are average romanians so swarthy? Forget the colored and dyed hair of women, concentrate only on the men (who rarely have colored/dyed hair).

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[Stears]

Romanian University students

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[Stears]

Gyömbér and blogen try to neglect all historic records, and he neglects all academic ethnographist and historians about the planned immigration in various parts of Hungary after the Ottoman wars. HE calls everybody as "Hungarians" who have Hungarian ID-card or passport. Practically he tries to falsify the ethnic history of Hungary after the Ottoman Wars.

[Stears]

Szerintem gyömbér családfakutatás közben felfedezte román cigány gyökereit, ezért most megsajnálta őket.

[lyllo]

As a group they look out of place in Romania.

[Nurzat]

man, it was only a classification thread for half of the Romanian national team :( i thought of posting other countries but this seemed interesting because it was more diverse. i have never said anything bad about Hungary and i am fully aware of its rich history and impact on Central Europe, including the fact that i support Szekely autonomy or even independence within Romania. i am no enemy

[Nurzat]

plus, my pubic hair is blond