Eurogenes K13 for Balkans & Italy

[cally]

Eurogenes K13 Balkan and Italian population averages
(inc. Greek Cypriots)


These are official averages so don't comment saying "oh but this member scores..."
*Anything under 1.00 can be ignored*



Albanian
(not official - see post #6 (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136416-Eurogenes-K13-for-Balkans-amp-Italy&p=2879921&viewfull=1#post2879921))

North Atlantic - 22.51
Baltic - 17.69
West Med - 21.31
West Asian - 11.4
East Med - 23.31
Red Sea - 2.59
South Asian - 0.22
East Asian - 0.37
Siberian - 0.15
Amerindian - 0.09
Oceanian - 0.26
North-East African - 0.01
Sub-Saharan African - 0.03

Bulgarian

North Atlantic - 21.75
Baltic - 24.06
West Med - 17.91
West Asian - 11.91
East Med - 20.12
Red Sea - 1.95
South Asian - 0.11
East Asian - 0.52
Siberian - 0.43
Amerindian - 0.56
Oceanian - 0.41
North-East African - 0.11
Sub-Saharan African - 0.16

Central Greek

North Atlantic - 16.86
Baltic - 10.38
West Med - 21.47
West Asian - 15.44
East Med - 29.25
Red Sea - 5.03
South Asian - 0.29
East Asian - 0.24
Siberian - 0.14
Amerindian - 0.32
Oceanian - 0.56
North-East African - 0.03
Sub-Saharan African - 0.01

Croat

North Atlantic - 27.21
Baltic - 36.12
West Med - 14.54
West Asian - 7.94
East Med - 9.44
Red Sea - 1.45
South Asian - 0.97
East Asian - 0.30
Siberian - 0.33
Amerindian - 0.80
Oceanian - 0.40
North-East African - 0.32
Sub-Saharan African - 0.19

Greek Cypriot

North Atlantic - 5.67
Baltic - 2.81
West Med - 19.86
West Asian - 20.34
East Med - 41.08
Red Sea - 8.17
South Asian - 0.50
East Asian - 0.07
Siberian - 0.23
Amerindian - 0.00
Oceanian - 0.47
North-East African - 0.30
Sub-Saharan African - 0.54

East Sicilian

North Atlantic - 16.46
Baltic - 9.03
West Med - 21.26
West Asian - 13.83
East Med - 29.91
Red Sea - 6.26
South Asian - 0.67
East Asian - 0.11
Siberian - 0.04
Amerindian - 0.17
Oceanian - 0.38
North-East African - 1.37
Sub-Saharan African - 0.56

Greek_Thessaly

North Atlantic - 19.12
Baltic - 16.32
West Med - 20.62
West Asian - 11.87
East Med - 25.40
Red Sea - 3.83
South Asian - 1.35
East Asian - 0.09
Siberian - 0.20
Amerindian - 0.70
Oceanian - 0.32
North-East African - 0.13
Sub-Saharan African - 0.03

Italian_Abruzzo

North Atlantic - 22.21
Baltic - 8.65
West Med - 20.33
West Asian - 15.04
East Med - 27.45
Red Sea - 4.90
South Asian - 0.18
East Asian - 0.25
Siberian - 0.24
Amerindian - 0.15
Oceanian - 0.41
North-East African - 0.10
Sub-Saharan African - 0.08

North Italian

North Atlantic - 31.68
Baltic - 11.93
West Med - 25.76
West Asian - 6.90
East Med - 19.58
Red Sea - 2.78
South Asian - 0.56
East Asian - 0.34
Siberian - 0.13
Amerindian - 0.05
Oceanian - 0.21
North-East African - 0.04
Sub-Saharan African - 0.03

Romanian

North Atlantic - 24.37
Baltic - 24.49
West Med - 17.09
West Asian - 11.28
East Med - 18.04
Red Sea - 2.14
South Asian - 0.55
East Asian - 0.27
Siberian - 0.83
Amerindian - 0.60
Oceanian - 0.18
North-East African - 0.09
Sub-Saharan African - 0.06

Sardinian

North Atlantic - 22.36
Baltic - 1.59
West Med - 51.97
West Asian - 0.05
East Med - 21.49
Red Sea - 1.97
South Asian - 0.00
East Asian - 0.00
Siberian - 0.06
Amerindian - 0.00
Oceanian - 0.37
North-East African - 0.17
Sub-Saharan African - 0.07

Serbian

North Atlantic - 27.10
Baltic - 27.32
West Med - 15.84
West Asian - 9.37
East Med - 15.63
Red Sea - 2.50
South Asian - 0.33
East Asian - 0.57
Siberian - 0.76
Amerindian - 0.03
Oceanian - 0.38
North-East African - 0.11
Sub-Saharan African - 0.06

South Italian

North Atlantic - 16.72
Baltic - 5.91
West Med - 22.77
West Asian - 15.02
East Med - 31.82
Red Sea - 5.12
South Asian - 0.66
East Asian - 0.08
Siberian - 0.17
Amerindian - 0.53
Oceanian - 0.23
North-East African - 0.44
Sub-Saharan African - 0.53

Tuscan

North Atlantic - 27.18
Baltic - 10.00
West Med - 23.79
West Asian - 8.83
East Med - 24.59
Red Sea - 4.29
South Asian - 0.24
East Asian - 0.01
Siberian - 0.29
Amerindian - 0.00
Oceanian - 0.50
North-East African - 0.17
Sub-Saharan African - 0.09

West Sicilian

North Atlantic - 21.14
Baltic - 7.59
West Med - 22.70
West Asian - 10.85
East Med - 28.65
Red Sea - 5.07
South Asian - 0.65
East Asian - 0.52
Siberian - 0.20
Amerindian - 0.05
Oceanian - 0.61
North-East African - 0.99
Sub-Saharan African - 0.96




EUROGENES K13 MIDDLE EAST -------- > LINK (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136424-Eurogenes-K13-Middle-East)
EUROGENES K13 SOUTH ASIA & SOUTH-CENTRAL ASIA -------- > LINK (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136431-Eurogenes-K13-South-Asia-South-Central-Asia)
EUROGENES K13 NORTHERN EUROPE ---------------> LINK (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136539-Eurogenes-K13-North-Europe)
EUROGENES K13 IBERIA --------------> LINK (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136648-Eurogenes-K13-Iberia)

[cally]

Components

North Atlantic - Ireland
Baltic - Lithuania
West Mediterranean - Sardinia
West Asian - Caucasus-Gedrosia
East Mediterranean - Levantine
Red Sea - Bedouin (Arabian)
South Asian - South India
East Asian - Eastern China
Siberian - Central Siberia
Amerindian - Northwest America
Oceanian - Papua New Guinea
North-East African - Ethiopia
Sub-Saharan African - West Africa

[Sikeliot]

I can say, having seen many Sicilian results that very few people actually score the averages.. there is, on the other hand, variation around the average.

[safinator]

I will post also the Albanian spreadsheet on K13, i have more than 10 samples.

[Ulla]

2D PCA based on the average K13 results of the European and Asian reference populations

http://i.imgur.com/dcp4QqL.png

[safinator]

Here's the spreadsheet of some of the Albanian samples, i could have added some more but Gedmatch gives me some query error now and can't run anymore samples.

ALB=Albanian
K_ALB=Kosovo Albanian
M_ALB=Albanian from Macedonia

K13 SPREADSHEET (http://1drv.ms/1p2x6fC)

Averages

North Atlantic

ALB = 22.89
K_ALB = 22.86
M_ALB = 21.07
TOTAL_ALB= 22.51

Baltic

ALB = 17.12
K_ALB = 18.01
M_ALB = 18.18
TOTAL_ALB= 17.69

West Med

ALB = 20.41
K_ALB = 22.67
M_ALB = 20.39
TOTAL_ALB= 21.31

West Asian

ALB = 11.82
K_ALB = 10.72
M_ALB = 11.91
TOTAL_ALB= 11.4


East Med

ALB = 24.01
K_ALB = 22.12
M_ALB = 24.31
TOTAL_ALB= 23.31

Red Sea

ALB = 2.58
K_ALB = 2.56
M_ALB = 2.68
TOTAL_ALB= 2.59

South Asian

ALB = 0.24
K_ALB = 0.31
M_ALB = 0.00
TOTAL_ALB= 0.22

East Asian

ALB = 0.04
K_ALB = 0.34
M_ALB = 1.12
TOTAL_ALB= 0.37

Siberian

ALB = 0.16
K_ALB = 0.23
M_ALB = 0.00
TOTAL_ALB= 0.15

Amerindian

ALB = 0.24
K_ALB = 0.00
M_ALB = 0.00
TOTAL_ALB= 0.09

Oceanian

ALB = 0.36
K_ALB = 0.15
M_ALB = 0.28
TOTAL_ALB= 0.26

North-East African

ALB = 0.00
K_ALB = 0.00
M_ALB = 0.045
TOTAL_ALB= 0.009

Sub-Saharan African

ALB = 0.07
K_ALB = 0.00
M_ALB = 0.00
TOTAL_ALB= 0.03

[cally]

Interesting, no wonder Albanians plot with Tuscans. We are just eastern variants (higher baltic).

[Guapo]

Interesting, no wonder Albanians plot with Tuscans. We are just eastern variants (higher baltic).

I plot in your bed

[Immortal Technique]

yall wuzzin gang bang call pribi and solin we enough

[Geni]

My K13...............................................
.................................................. ..................

1 East_Med 26.22
2 North_Atlantic 23.31
3 West_Med 21.33
4 Baltic 13.52
5 West_Asian 11.99
6 Red_Sea 2.26
7 Amerindian 0.74
8 Oceanian 0.44
9 East_Asian 0.19

[Ulla]

Interesting, no wonder Albanians plot with Tuscans. We are just eastern variants (higher baltic).

Albanians more Baltic (and little more West Asian), Tuscans more North Atlantic (and little more West Med), East Med is the same for both.

[safinator]

Interesting, no wonder Albanians plot with Tuscans. We are just eastern variants (higher baltic).
Indeed, on a PCA plot they would be our closest match, it's the case often in ORACLE too of many Albanians.

My K13...............................................
.................................................. ..................

1 East_Med 26.22
2 North_Atlantic 23.31
3 West_Med 21.33
4 Baltic 13.52
5 West_Asian 11.99
6 Red_Sea 2.26
7 Amerindian 0.74
8 Oceanian 0.44
9 East_Asian 0.19

You're among the samples of my spreadsheet too.

[Graham]

I can say, having seen many Sicilian results that very few people actually score the averages.. there is, on the other hand, variation around the average.

Have seen a few Sicilians and the main difference that sest them from the South Italy, is that they are more likely to score North African. Which would pull them away on a plot. Otherwise not much difference on others. Although not all would.

[Graham]

Albanians and North Greeks probably would plot extremely close.

[alfieb]

Is there a reason why West Sicilians were left out? :confused:

[Guapo]

I plot in your bed

Hellloooooooooo callmyname

[Trun]

According to this, Bulgarians are closer to Albanians than to Serbs. Intredasting.

[Sikeliot]

Is there a reason why West Sicilians were left out? :confused:

I can find it.

The West Sicilian averages are not very useful though, because I've yet to see anyone score them. You have Caltanissetta, Agrigento and some Palermitans scoring much higher West Asian, East Med, etc than the average, while other Palermitans and people from Trapani score a bit more European and bring the averages to what they are.

Also, the Central Greek scores are odd.. they are unlike any mainland Greek's result I have seen.

[Trun]

Also, the Central Greek scores are odd.. they are unlike any mainland Greek's result I have seen.

It's samples from Athens probably.

[cally]

Is there a reason why West Sicilians were left out? :confused:

I'm so sorry about that! I've added it to the OP :) :)

[Sikeliot]

It's samples from Athens probably.

That means there were probably Cypriots, Anatolians and Pontians who got mixed into the sample, since all types of Greeks live in Athens.

[Guapo]

I'm so sorry about that!

mkay

[cally]

Hellloooooooooo callmyname

hiiiiii guapo!!

[Trun]

That means there were probably Cypriots, Anatolians and Pontians who got mixed into the sample, since all types of Greeks live in Athens.

It's quite close to the Greek average so it makes sense.

[alfieb]

Yeah, I don't trust Polako's data at all. All of this Mongoloid admixture supposedly in Sicilians isn't corroborated by any other studies.

I posted my K13 "Asiatic" results a few hours ago. 0.0's for everything except for a 0.6 for South Asian.

[Guapo]

hiiiiii guapo!!

:love0037:

[Graham]

:love0037:

Get a room youse two, fucksakes.

[Guapo]

Yeah, I don't trust Polako's data at all. All of this Mongoloid admixture supposedly in Sicilians isn't corroborated by any other studies.

I posted my K13 "Asiatic" results a few hours ago. 0.0's for everything except for a 0.6 for South Asian.

Ive known Polacko from years before, dont really trust him either

[alfieb]

Get a room youse two, fucksakes.

That would be awkward when Callmyname walks in and Arberori is already in the bed wearing a dress.


Ive known Polacko from years before, dont really trust him either

Same here. For four years I've had nothing nice to say about the guy (and he's had nothing nice to say about me either :lol:)

[Guapo]

Arianiti, can you stop thumbing me down? holy fuck, jelly or what.

[Guapo]

That would be awkward when Callmyname walks in and Arberori is already in the bed wearing a dress.



Same here. For four years I've had nothing nice to say about the guy (and he's had nothing nice to say about me either :lol:)

He thinks Poles are the pure slavics, wtf and whotf is pure?

[Guapo]

Arianiti, thank you thats better :D

[Sikeliot]

It's quite close to the Greek average so it makes sense.

It's close to what islanders score, I've never seen a native mainland Greek with such a score.

[alfieb]

He thinks Poles are pure slavics, wtf and whotf is pure?

Poles are pure Slavs;
Slavs are pure Scythians;
Scythians were the original Europeans, as the origin of Indo-Europeans was Scythia.

Ergo, Poles are the master race.

[Trun]

It's close to what islanders score, I've never seen a native mainland Greek with such a score.

What surprises me more is how Bulgarians-Albanians difference is smaller than Bulgarians-Serbs, the latter being almost equal to Bulgarians-Thessalians.

Polako wants to woggify us.

[Immortal Technique]

http://i.imgur.com/7MaMX8S.gif

[Guapo]

Poles are pure Slavs;
Slavs are pure Scythians;
Scythians were the original Europeans, as the origin of Indo-Europeans was Scythia.

Ergo, Poles are the master race.
gedmatch is teh bible....not

[Sikeliot]

What surprises me more is how Bulgarians-Albanians difference is smaller than Bulgarians-Serbs, the latter being equal to Bulgarians-Thessalians.

Polako wants to woggify us.


I've seen some Greek results that score very close to the Bulgarian average, so it makes me wonder if he is trying to woggify everyone a bit.

If you want to see all Italian and Greek results I've seen, go here:

http://i57.tinypic.com/bgd5jn.jpg

[Trun]

I can see slavovlachic's HellLander and his uncle's results.

[Immortal Technique]

Damn alfie killed that shit

[Guapo]

Damn alfie killed that shit

he is good at it, serious mathafackeroni

[alfieb]

Instead of eliminating the blatant outliers when say, 5 out of 6 people have 0.00 of a category, and someone else has 1.5 of it, he includes the outlier in the average. What a crock of shit.

It's truly no wonder that the guy's name is Weaselowski.

[Guapo]

I've seen some Greek results that score very close to the Bulgarian average, so it makes me wonder if he is trying to woggify everyone a bit.


Of course he is. To him balkan slavs are balkaniggers. I've known his views since Skadi forum

[Trun]

Of course he is. To him balkan slavs are balkaniggers

He once said that all his Bulgarian friends could pass as Poles so maybe he changes his opinions and pants too often.

[Hithaeglir]

What about Southern Greeks? :(

[Sikeliot]

What about Southern Greeks? :(

Subtract 5% East Med from a Sicilian and add 10% Baltic, and there you go.

[Guapo]

He once said that all his Bulgarian friends could pass as Poles so maybe he changes his opinions and pants too often.

I always laugh whenever i see these gedmatch posts here.

[alfieb]

I know that a lot of people have bad things to say about Dienekes, but I'll take his data as a Biblical Gospel According to Pontikos over anything from Weaselgenes.

[Guapo]

As for Dienekes the pontian....lol he wants to woggify all Greeks which is not the case either. Gedmatch: thumbsdown

[Hithaeglir]

Subtract 5% East Med from a Sicilian and add 10% Baltic, and there you go.

Ok.And North Greece?

[Sikeliot]

Ok.And North Greece?

Look to the Thessaly sample I think, and add another 5% Baltic and subtract some West Asian.

[cally]

I've seen some Greek results that score very close to the Bulgarian average, so it makes me wonder if he is trying to woggify everyone a bit.

If you want to see all Italian and Greek results I've seen, go here:

http://i57.tinypic.com/bgd5jn.jpg

wow quite slavicized for Greece

Are they full Greek or minorities?
I doubt Helllander hasn't got any recent Slavic ancestry. He is related to Serbs on the forum.
Pretty much everyone in northern Greece has arvanite or slavic-vlach ancestry
I've met many from Thessaloniki who have admitted it

[Insuperable]

All of them are European-Middle Eastern mixes.

[Hithaeglir]

Look to the Thessaly sample I think, and add another 5% Baltic and subtract some West Asian.

Ok,thanks.

[Faklon]

That means there were probably Cypriots, Anatolians and Pontians who got mixed into the sample, since all types of Greeks live in Athens.

Well I don't know but could also be from Euboea if it has a such-like effect.

[Sikeliot]

wow quite slavicized for Greece

Are they full Greek or minorities?
I doubt Helllander hasn't got any recent Slavic ancestry. He is related to Serbs on the forum.
Pretty much everyone in northern Greece has arvanite or slavic-vlach ancestry
I've met many from Thessaloniki who have admitted it

All of the people I know from Epirus, Thessaly, and Macedonia look partially Slavic to me. This is the face of modern day Greece.

Moreover, all the Sicilians are more similar to each other than to the Greeks, except for the ONE Cretan Greek, who looks like the Sicilian sample.

[cally]

All of the people I know from Epirus, Thessaly, and Macedonia look partially Slavic to me. This is the face of modern day Greece.

Moreover, all the Sicilians are more similar to each other than to the Greeks, except for the ONE Cretan Greek, who looks like the Sicilian sample.

I remember Vojnik posted his results somewhere after Helllander and they were almost identical.

Anyway, I think it's just the low sample from people with mixed heritage who are more likely to seek testing.
The Greek user Thrax for instance scores close to the average on here.
Vojnik also scores similar to the Bulgarian average.
Let's trust them for now :)

[Faklon]

All of the people I know from Epirus, Thessaly, and Macedonia look partially Slavic to me. This is the face of modern day Greece.

.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z36/AlecRawls/Environment%20and%20climate/Facepalmorangflipped.png

[Guapo]

Dienekes, the pontian greek-turk, used to troll other meds on Skadi saying how theyre more levantine than euro before gene data were even available

[Insuperable]

Dienekes, the pontian greek-turk, used to troll other meds on Skadi saying how theyre more levantine than euro before gene data were even available

LoL wut?

[Guapo]

LoL wut?

Lol yep. I remember his pic too, couldnt even pass in mainland Greece. They all have agendas man, crazy peeps.

[Insuperable]

Lol yep. I remember his pic too, couldnt even pass in mainland Greece. They all have agendas man, crazy peeps.

You are trolling.

[Sikeliot]

Well I don't know but could also be from Euboea if it has a such-like effect.

I know a woman who is half from Euboea and half from Chios, she scores in between mainland Greeks and southern Italians. I doubt Euboea would be that different from the mainland.

[Guapo]

You are trolling.

Nope, I dont troll you, you're my friend. Ive seen both polako and Dienekes' pics. Polako never liked balkan slavs even before this gene shit became popular

[Insuperable]

Nope. Ive seen both polako and Dienekes' pics. Polako never liked balkan slavs even before this gene shit became popular

Mkay.:cool:

[Guapo]

Mkay.:cool:

As for Polako, he is noric btw. Wouldnt stand out in Croatia or Serba. Dienekes looks Cypriot but he is from Turkey anyway

[Sikeliot]

As for Polako, he is noric btw. Wouldnt stand out in Croatia or Serba. Dienekes looks Cypriot but he is from Turkey anyway

He's Pontian.

[Guapo]

He's Pontian.

Thats what I said before, ethnic pontian from turkey. I've been around these racist/anthropology forums as much as Loki has.

[Guapo]

Nothing against either of them but I wouldnt take gedmatch as seriously as all of you here, thats for sure. I know both their views, Polako thinks Poles are uber-slavs and Dienekes wants greeks to be wog masters of the world. I'm done. Keep checking your gedmatch scores lol

Peace out bitches.

[Faklon]

I know a woman who is half from Euboea and half from Chios, she scores in between mainland Greeks and southern Italians. I doubt Euboea would be that different from the mainland.

I don't know but you don't know neither.

Anyway,average phenotype in Greece today is "darker" than the face I see in old "not partciularly north Mainland" Greek photos and I wouldn't call it particularly Slavic neither.

Too much PC Sikeliot when you have failed to spot phenotypes as seen in Taxonomy and don't know much of past genetics.So this is better to be seen primarily historically and anthropologically unless you really have something.

[Guapo]

And i dont give a fuck if either see this thread. My user name used to be Vojvoda on Skadi, the defender of Slavdom, from bulgaria to russia, and ex-moderator and winner of best looking Skadi member. Hows that for I1 man-whore mathafakerovic dna eh? Truth needs to be told.

[Guapo]

FTDNA and 23andme, more reliable than gedmatch. I'm a mutt like all euros and proud.

[Sikeliot]

I have more results to add to that screenshot actually .

[Guapo]

I have more results to add to that screenshot actually .

Good job, sexy

[Guapo]

Geymatch sucks

[Drawing-slim]

All of them are European-Middle Eastern mixes.

Who?! It recent middle eastern genes though?!

[Drawing-slim]

And i dont give a fuck if either see this thread. My user name used to be Vojvoda on Skadi, the defender of Slavdom, from bulgaria to russia, and ex-moderator and winner of best looking Skadi member. Hows that for I1 man-whore mathafakerovic dna eh? Truth needs to be told.

You have taken after your mother son.

[Immortal Technique]

fucking ants bite everywhere

[Guapo]

You have taken after your mother son.

I'd say both sides, balkanigger genes stronk

[Damião de Góis]

Nothing against either of them but I wouldnt take gedmatch as seriously as all of you here, thats for sure. I know both their views, Polako thinks Poles are uber-slavs and Dienekes wants greeks to be wog masters of the world. I'm done. Keep checking your gedmatch scores lol

Peace out bitches.

Wouldn't you say they both give similar results? Also their genetic plots are pretty much the same as 23andme... or anything else you might see.

[alfieb]

Wouldn't you say they both give similar results? Also their genetic plots are pretty much the same as 23andme... or anything else you might see.

23andMe wouldn't create a reference population out of five people, allow four people to show zero admixture, but then divide the one outlier's admixture by five and then say it is the group average.

23andMe are not irresponsible like this amateur know-it-all from Australia. Each one of their reference populations is based on hundreds of samples.

[Damião de Góis]

23andMe wouldn't create a reference population out of five people, allow four people to show zero admixture, but then divide the one outlier's admixture by five and then say it is the group average.


Which cluster are you talking about?

[alfieb]

Which cluster are you talking about?

Any of them. He's done it in particular with Mongoloid genes in populations such as Western Sicilians when by far most of us do not have any. Well, since one person had some, we'll just divide his small amount by the number of participants and call that the average.

That's not realistic at all. In fact, it's dishonest.

[Guapo]

Any of them. He's done it in particular with Mongoloid genes in populations such as Western Sicilians when by far most of us do not have any. Well, since one person had some, we'll just divide his small amount by the number of participants and call that the average.

That's not realistic at all. In fact, it's dishonest.

Really? So I'm right then, agendas

[Guapo]

23andMe wouldn't create a reference population out of five people, allow four people to show zero admixture, but then divide the one outlier's admixture by five and then say it is the group average.

23andMe are not irresponsible like this amateur know-it-all from Australia. Each one of their reference populations is based on hundreds of samples.


Hes an amateuer alright, Dienekes as well

[alfieb]

Hes an amateuer alright, Dienekes as well

Right. Dienekes is pro-Med, Polako is pro-Baltic, and since I'm Med and not Baltic, I'm with the Greek guy, even though he's probably just as bad.

[Guapo]

Right. Dienekes is pro-Med, Polako is pro-Baltic, and since I'm Med and not Baltic, I'm with the Anatolian guy, even though he's probably just as bad.

Fixed. Even worse from the two bro, they both have agendas. Gedmatch is not a big deal compared to FTDNA and 23andme.

[Ulla]

Fixed. Even worse from the two bro, they both have agendas. Gedmatch is not a big deal compared to FTDNA and 23andme.

They both surely have agendas.

[Insuperable]

Who?! It recent middle eastern genes though?!

No, not recent, but still.

[alfieb]

They both surely have agendas.

Don't we all?

[MINARDOWICZ]

Is the South Italian sample actually Calabrese? If so, it makes sense, because it shows that they are more Levantine and Caucasus influenced than Sicily it seems. XD. Hence the percentages. Jew influence? :o

[Ulla]

Don't we all?

Sure, and even some academic reaserchers have. It's easy to manipulate the interpretation of scientific datas, also when you're in good faith.

Anyway, between us I don't see influencers like Diekenes or Polako.

[Tacitus]

Is the South Italian sample actually Calabrese? If so, it makes sense, because it shows that they are more Levantine and Caucasus influenced than Sicily it seems. XD. Hence the percentages. Jew influence? :o

Neolithic migrations would be my guess. There was never a significant Jewish presence in Calabria; the only ones I can think of were crypto-Jews settling in the Catanzaro area after being expelled from Spain proper, but that's about it.

[cally]

How about we present some more results ourselves and decide if it's biased or not?
The same standard is used for everyone.
It's not as if the calculator determines your ethnicity beforehand to alter your results...

[MINARDOWICZ]

Neolithic migrations would be my guess. There was never a significant Jewish presence in Calabria; the only ones I can think of were crypto-Jews settling in the Catanzaro area after being expelled from Spain proper, but that's about it.

Not true... in fact, there were many sent there at a point. And there is definite recording of many of these converting to Christianity. And why blame it on neolithic? Sounds like BS to me for Neolithic to be that preserved. Some of it is Neolithic, but why on EARTH does Neolithic show in so many different ways? Some Iberians blame their NA on it even. How can it be mistaken for modern middle eastern genetically? I doubt it can.

Those percentages are intermediate between Sephardi and Sicilians for some reason. Think about it...

[MINARDOWICZ]

How about we present some more results ourselves and decide if it's biased or not?
The same standard is used for everyone.
It's not as if the calculator determines your ethnicity beforehand to alter your results...

Agreed. People are just butthurt.

[Tacitus]

Not true... in fact, there were many sent there at a point. And there is definite recording of many of these converting to Christianity. And why blame it on neolithic? Sounds like BS to me for Neolithic to be that preserved. Some of it is Neolithic, but why on EARTH does Neolithic show in so many different ways? Some Iberians blame their NA on it even. How can it be mistaken for modern middle eastern genetically? I doubt it can.

Those percentages are intermediate between Sephardi and Sicilians for some reason. Think about it...

Before anything else: what time period are we talk about specifically here? Height of the Roman Empire? Late antiquity? Early Middle Ages?

Source?

[Black Wolf]

Dienekes, the pontian greek-turk, used to troll other meds on Skadi saying how theyre more levantine than euro before gene data were even available

Many are genetically more Levantine than Euro lol.

[Tacitus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Calabria

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0004_0_03837.html

I really doubt that they would have had such a genetic impact on the population, considering their numbers over time (including those who converted to Christianity).

[Guapo]

Many are genetically more Levantine than Euro lol.

So do northerners have levant, miscellaneous "whites" etc. thats teh issue, people are using these scores as cannon fodder to ridicule/troll certain ethnic groups, especially on this forum, geneaology wasnt intended to be that way.

[Black Wolf]

So do northerners have levant, miscellaneous "whites" etc. thats teh issue, people are using these scores as cannon fodder to ridicule/troll certain ethnic groups, especially on this forum, geneaology wasnt intended to be that way.

Yes Northern Europeans do as well but generally North Euros have more native Mesolithic hunter-gatherer ancestry and Southern Euros have more Neolithic West Asian/Near Eastern/Levantine farmer ancestry. I am not trolling here or anything like that just stating a fact. Heck my own Y-DNA haplogroup is Neolithic West Asian in origin most likely.

[Insuperable]

He's Pontian.

I wonder what he has to say about his greekness.

[Bloodnigger]

All of the people I know from Epirus, Thessaly, and Macedonia look partially Slavic to me. This is the face of modern day Greece.

Wait, what? Wasn't the whole slavic thing in the Balkans proven to be overblown out of proportion?

[Bloodnigger]

Dienekes, the pontian greek-turk, used to troll other meds on Skadi saying how theyre more levantine than euro before gene data were even available

This.

I've some pontic friends, they all look like the chechens/caucasus dudes doing the beheadings in the liveleak videos. I trust Dieneke's anthropological sources but his genetics blog is some fucked up shit.

There's also a lot of beef between him and Polako.

[Faklon]

Wait, what? Wasn't the whole slavic thing in the Balkans proven to be overblown out of proportion?

Where?

Anyway,welcome to the forums.

Every native North of Athens is supposed to be Slavicized and look like a light Chechen so he could fit the portrayal of Russian gangsters in American movies.

Also don't forget,in Thessaloniki people feel Balkan and in Argos Mediterranean.

[Bloodnigger]

Where?

Don't have the actual study at hand at the moment, but I remember it was by Underhill.

[Bloodnigger]

It was about the M458 marker in R1a (which is believed to be the slavic marker). I can only find the numbers for greece (and that on a eupedia forum post) and not the actual study.

R1a in Poland contained 35% M458, overall greek 4.2% and greek macedonian 8%.

Nevertheless, if someone could find it and verify the numbers I'd be grateful.

The whole baltic-is-automatically-slavic thing bothers me somewhat since there are several non slavic populations that score high in baltic.

[Bloodnigger]

Apparently Sikeliot is only half right. According to the M458 spread, overall slavic admixture in the whole of greece has an upper limit below 10% but 20% in Greek-Macedonia. In Epirus and Thessaly it doesn't peak at all and remains steady with the rest of central and southern greece.

Then again macedonia got mobbed by pontics and russians claiming to be pontic as well as that slav minority so who knows.

[cally]

All of the people I know from Epirus, Thessaly, and Macedonia look partially Slavic to me. This is the face of modern day Greece.

Moreover, all the Sicilians are more similar to each other than to the Greeks, except for the ONE Cretan Greek, who looks like the Sicilian sample.

I think the Baltic components make us look Balkanic rather than "Slavic". My father gets Bulgarian as his population match but he just looks Balkan Dinarid-CM. He can pass as Serb or croat but he doesn't look "slavic".

[Bloodnigger]

I think the Baltic components make us look Balkanic rather than "Slavic". My father gets Bulgarian as his population match but he just looks Balkan Dinarid-CM. He can pass as Serb or croat but he doesn't look "slavic".

Could be PIE admixture also. It does coincide with the anthropological data in greece. It should in Albania too.

[cally]

Some Bulgarian results previously posted:

Bulgarian 1

North_Atlantic 19.88%
Baltic 22.49%
West_Med 19.35%
West_Asian 16.34%
East_Med 17.59%
Red_Sea 1.54%
South_Asian 0.27%
East_Asian 0.38%
Siberian 0.87%
Amerindian 0.72%
Oceanian 0.59%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Bulgarian 2

North_Atlantic 17.58%
Baltic 29.82%
West_Med 17.48%
West_Asian 15.72%
East_Med 15.75%
Red_Sea 1.36%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.44%
Siberian 0.25%
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.40%
Northeast_African 0.19%
Sub-Saharan -

Bulgarian 3

North_Atlantic 22.16%
Baltic 23.42%
West_Med 19.22%
West_Asian 9.42%
East_Med 18.62%
Red_Sea 4.84%
South_Asian 0.25%
East_Asian 0.40%
Siberian 0.80%
Amerindian 0.87%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Bulgarian 4

North_Atlantic 21.01%
Baltic 25.60%
West_Med 16.14%
West_Asian 14.07%
East_Med 18.71%
Red_Sea 2.40%
South_Asian 0.14%
East_Asian 0.15%
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.32%
Oceanian 0.75%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.72%

Macedonian(FYROM)

North_Atlantic 22.37%
Baltic 23.62%
West_Med 18.41%
West_Asian 8.61%
East_Med 24.40%
Red_Sea 1.24%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.12%
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.24%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[cally]

This doesn't make any sense? It makes them almost identical to Northern Greeks?

[Trun]

This doesn't make any sense? It makes them almost identical to Northern Greeks?

The component percentage is still different, in addition Northern Greek samples are full of people with Slavovlachic ancestry.

[alfieb]

In that area, the Greeks have Slavic ancestry, and the Slavs have Greek ancestry. They're divided by language more than blood, religion, or anything else.

[Stanislav]

In that area, the Greeks have Slavic ancestry, and the Slavs have Greek ancestry. They're divided by language more than blood, religion, or anything else.

Only southern Slavs. They too clouse to Greek by genes. But Eastern Slavs clouse to baltic, caukas and volgo-finnic people.

[Thrax]

Bulgarians score more baltic and less east and west med than northern Greeks according to the K13 results I've seen posted.
Here are my results (mainly thracian and northwestern ancestry) and the results of a friend (almost 100% northwestern ancestry)

Mine:
North_Atlantic 20.07%
Baltic 15.01%
West_Med 18.33%
West_Asian 15.1%
East_Med 28.37%
Red_Sea 1.82%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.41%
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.15%
Oceanian 0.7%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Friend's:
North_Atlantic 18.28%
Baltic 17.58%
West_Med 22.25%
West_Asian 14.59%
East_Med 22.25%
Red_Sea 2.85%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.01%
Oceanian 0.56%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Bobby Martnen]

So Greek Cypriots and North Italians are essentially opposites.

The Greek Cypriots are 30% European, 70% MENA
The North Italians are 70% European, 30% MENA

[alnortedelsur]

Eurogenes K13 Balkan and Italian population averages
(inc. Greek Cypriots)


These are official averages so don't comment saying "oh but this member scores..."
*Anything under 1.00 can be ignored*



Albanian
(not official - see post #6 (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136416-Eurogenes-K13-for-Balkans-amp-Italy&p=2879921&viewfull=1#post2879921))

North Atlantic - 22.51
Baltic - 17.69
West Med - 21.31
West Asian - 11.4
East Med - 23.31
Red Sea - 2.59
South Asian - 0.22
East Asian - 0.37
Siberian - 0.15
Amerindian - 0.09
Oceanian - 0.26
North-East African - 0.01
Sub-Saharan African - 0.03

Bulgarian

North Atlantic - 21.75
Baltic - 24.06
West Med - 17.91
West Asian - 11.91
East Med - 20.12
Red Sea - 1.95
South Asian - 0.11
East Asian - 0.52
Siberian - 0.43
Amerindian - 0.56
Oceanian - 0.41
North-East African - 0.11
Sub-Saharan African - 0.16

Central Greek

North Atlantic - 16.86
Baltic - 10.38
West Med - 21.47
West Asian - 15.44
East Med - 29.25
Red Sea - 5.03
South Asian - 0.29
East Asian - 0.24
Siberian - 0.14
Amerindian - 0.32
Oceanian - 0.56
North-East African - 0.03
Sub-Saharan African - 0.01

Croat

North Atlantic - 27.21
Baltic - 36.12
West Med - 14.54
West Asian - 7.94
East Med - 9.44
Red Sea - 1.45
South Asian - 0.97
East Asian - 0.30
Siberian - 0.33
Amerindian - 0.80
Oceanian - 0.40
North-East African - 0.32
Sub-Saharan African - 0.19

Greek Cypriot

North Atlantic - 5.67
Baltic - 2.81
West Med - 19.86
West Asian - 20.34
East Med - 41.08
Red Sea - 8.17
South Asian - 0.50
East Asian - 0.07
Siberian - 0.23
Amerindian - 0.00
Oceanian - 0.47
North-East African - 0.30
Sub-Saharan African - 0.54

East Sicilian

North Atlantic - 16.46
Baltic - 9.03
West Med - 21.26
West Asian - 13.83
East Med - 29.91
Red Sea - 6.26
South Asian - 0.67
East Asian - 0.11
Siberian - 0.04
Amerindian - 0.17
Oceanian - 0.38
North-East African - 1.37
Sub-Saharan African - 0.56

Greek_Thessaly

North Atlantic - 19.12
Baltic - 16.32
West Med - 20.62
West Asian - 11.87
East Med - 25.40
Red Sea - 3.83
South Asian - 1.35
East Asian - 0.09
Siberian - 0.20
Amerindian - 0.70
Oceanian - 0.32
North-East African - 0.13
Sub-Saharan African - 0.03

Italian_Abruzzo

North Atlantic - 22.21
Baltic - 8.65
West Med - 20.33
West Asian - 15.04
East Med - 27.45
Red Sea - 4.90
South Asian - 0.18
East Asian - 0.25
Siberian - 0.24
Amerindian - 0.15
Oceanian - 0.41
North-East African - 0.10
Sub-Saharan African - 0.08

North Italian

North Atlantic - 31.68
Baltic - 11.93
West Med - 25.76
West Asian - 6.90
East Med - 19.58
Red Sea - 2.78
South Asian - 0.56
East Asian - 0.34
Siberian - 0.13
Amerindian - 0.05
Oceanian - 0.21
North-East African - 0.04
Sub-Saharan African - 0.03

Romanian

North Atlantic - 24.37
Baltic - 24.49
West Med - 17.09
West Asian - 11.28
East Med - 18.04
Red Sea - 2.14
South Asian - 0.55
East Asian - 0.27
Siberian - 0.83
Amerindian - 0.60
Oceanian - 0.18
North-East African - 0.09
Sub-Saharan African - 0.06

Sardinian

North Atlantic - 22.36
Baltic - 1.59
West Med - 51.97
West Asian - 0.05
East Med - 21.49
Red Sea - 1.97
South Asian - 0.00
East Asian - 0.00
Siberian - 0.06
Amerindian - 0.00
Oceanian - 0.37
North-East African - 0.17
Sub-Saharan African - 0.07

Serbian

North Atlantic - 27.10
Baltic - 27.32
West Med - 15.84
West Asian - 9.37
East Med - 15.63
Red Sea - 2.50
South Asian - 0.33
East Asian - 0.57
Siberian - 0.76
Amerindian - 0.03
Oceanian - 0.38
North-East African - 0.11
Sub-Saharan African - 0.06

South Italian

North Atlantic - 16.72
Baltic - 5.91
West Med - 22.77
West Asian - 15.02
East Med - 31.82
Red Sea - 5.12
South Asian - 0.66
East Asian - 0.08
Siberian - 0.17
Amerindian - 0.53
Oceanian - 0.23
North-East African - 0.44
Sub-Saharan African - 0.53

Tuscan

North Atlantic - 27.18
Baltic - 10.00
West Med - 23.79
West Asian - 8.83
East Med - 24.59
Red Sea - 4.29
South Asian - 0.24
East Asian - 0.01
Siberian - 0.29
Amerindian - 0.00
Oceanian - 0.50
North-East African - 0.17
Sub-Saharan African - 0.09

West Sicilian

North Atlantic - 21.14
Baltic - 7.59
West Med - 22.70
West Asian - 10.85
East Med - 28.65
Red Sea - 5.07
South Asian - 0.65
East Asian - 0.52
Siberian - 0.20
Amerindian - 0.05
Oceanian - 0.61
North-East African - 0.99
Sub-Saharan African - 0.96




EUROGENES K13 MIDDLE EAST -------- > LINK (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136424-Eurogenes-K13-Middle-East)
EUROGENES K13 SOUTH ASIA & SOUTH-CENTRAL ASIA -------- > LINK (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136431-Eurogenes-K13-South-Asia-South-Central-Asia)
EUROGENES K13 NORTHERN EUROPE ---------------> LINK (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136539-Eurogenes-K13-North-Europe)
EUROGENES K13 IBERIA --------------> LINK (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136648-Eurogenes-K13-Iberia)

As I said in another thread, I'm really surprised on how my Eurogenes K13 scores are so close to the Northern Italian averages, except for my minor Amerindian and SSA.

[trebil]

Croatian


North_Atlantic 28.32
Baltic 32.19
West_Med 17.60
West_Asian 8.28
East_Med 11.04
Red_Sea 0.14
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.65
Siberian 0.08
Amerindian 0.64
Oceanian 1.01
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Bosnian

North_Atlantic 24.92
Baltic 33.53
West_Med 13.59
West_Asian 10.09
East_Med 14.46
Red_Sea 0.62
South_Asian 0.58
East_Asian 0.10
Siberian 0.60
Amerindian 0.49
Oceanian 0.35
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.66


Serbian

North_Atlantic 24.46
Baltic 28.86
West_Med 15.11
West_Asian 7.45
East_Med 18.69
Red_Sea 2.47
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.96
Amerindian 0.64
Oceanian 1.26
Northeast_African 0.11
Sub-Saharan -


Romanian


North_Atlantic 21.24
Baltic 25.54
West_Med 18.58
West_Asian 14.15
East_Med 15.13
Red_Sea 2.20
South_Asian 0.26
East_Asian 1.11
Siberian 1.00
Amerindian 0.40
Oceanian 0.39
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Bulgarian

North_Atlantic 19.18
Baltic 22.08
West_Med 19.09
West_Asian 12.54
East_Med 24.07
Red_Sea 1.96
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.35
Oceanian 0.74
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[trebil]

Bulgarian

North_Atlantic 23.20
Baltic 22.51
West_Med 17.09
West_Asian 15.90
East_Med 18.02
Red_Sea 1.99
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.06
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.23
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -