Anti-Semitism: What are your thoughts?

[Frigga]

Why do you think anti-Semitism exists in our modern societies? Do you feel that it is based on reality or on fantasy to be anti-Semitic? What reasons are there for anti-Semitism, and do you think they're justified? What do you think of those who hold opposite viewpoints to your own regarding anti-Semitism? Please be thorough and give concrete examples for your arguments.

[Peachy Carnahan]

In European countries i think it exists because the salient characteristic of the jew is inveterate materialism.
They are of the east and have a mentality and racial identity all of their own totally alien to the European who does not live for the sole purpose of getting the best out of others.

[Maleficarum]

I find it pretty unpalatable, probably because it's so often linked to the white supremacy / Stormfront mentality etc. If you disagree with a die hard anti-semite you get called a Jew in the same way if you disagree with a nigger they'll call you a racist.

According to one source, Chimpout is a Jewish front to distract the masses from the 'real' issues :rolleyes2:

I have no love for Israel as I disagree with their tactics against the Palestinians whom I also have no love for but I'm pretty neutral as far as the rest of the deal goes.

We'd had people joining in an attempt to see if Chimpout is a Jewish front so that they could 'expose us', give me a break, internet Nazis with personality disorders and OCD don't make the best advertisement for the cause!

[Lenny]

The Jews are very smart, very ethnocentric,and full of what they call chutzpah.

The combination of the three is why Jews have always been disliked by their host societies. If it were just one of those characteristics, or even two, the Jews would be negligible. But all three together, well that tree bears as rotten fruit as you can get. Most social movements in the European-World this past century bear witness to this. Fanatical ethnocentrism, living amid a foreign population, the intelligence to rise to the top and influence things, and the chutzpah to actually do it -- to found things like the NAACP in the USA in 1913, to aggressively politick against their own hosts...




Oh, and Jews are also far too interested in money-making, generally, for my tastes.

[Peachy Carnahan]

The Jews are very smart,

They have been systematically wiped out over the centuries by different societies because of their behaviour.....i dont call that smart.
You would think they would modify their behaviour which would merit continued hospitality.

[Loddfafner]

I don't like the term antisemitic as it is not appropriate for what one means considering that tensions with Jews are qualitatively different from those with other Semitic groups. Although there are real cultural clashes, I see obsession with Jews primarily as a psychological symptom. For example, I have observed that those most fixed on the image of Jews as stingy with money tend to be extreme tightwads themselves.

[Anthropos]

Why do you think anti-Semitism exists in our modern societies? Do you feel that it is based on reality or on fantasy to be anti-Semitic? What reasons are there for anti-Semitism, and do you think they're justified? What do you think of those who hold opposite viewpoints to your own regarding anti-Semitism? Please be thorough and give concrete examples for your arguments.

Something that leads a much stronger existence in the West is goy's philo-Semitism.

Why do you think philo-Semitism exists in our modern societies?
It is one of the founding myths of the modern West, propagated especially by the USA and Great Britain.

Do you feel that it is based on reality or on fantasy to be philo-Semitic?
It's fantasy. The USA may be a blended European-Jewish culture, but the European nations are not.

What reasons are there for philo-Semitism, and do you think they're justified?
None, and no. There is as much reason for it as there is reason for philo-Maasaiism.

What do you think of those who hold opposite viewpoints to your own regarding philo-Semitism?
They're philo-Semitic, obviously. :D

[Electronic God-Man]

The USA may be a blended European-Jewish culture...

:confused:

[Liffrea]

I prefer to focus on Zionism myself, labelling “The Jew” as the bogey man out to get us is just a staple of human psychology where it’s natural to be suspicious of outsiders, particularly when things go wrong………child gone missing? It’s “The Jew” down the road using them for cult rituals……can’t pay your debts? Kick “The Jews” out, problem solved. Lost a war, blame “The Jew” it’s easier…..

For saying “The Jew” is out for world domination he isn’t half making a balls up of it and these people are supposedly super smart?....

Now if we’re talking about Zionism, which is an ideology that has Jewish and non-Jewish adherents I’m more prepared to listen, heck there are a large number of Jews against Israeli policies, and the people who bank roll them, but they’re probably in on the act, right?

[Anthropos]

:confused:

Your countrymen here on the Apricity insist that Europe is just that, and I assume therefore that it is really the USA that they are talking about. Hrolf Kraki and Pallamedes are the prime examples, but there are many others with a less striking tendency.

[The Ripper]

:confused:

Americanism is the Jewish spirit distilled.
-Werner Sombart.

;)

[Freomæg]

I must admit to not quite understanding the deep-rooted anti-semitism of European nationalists. Plenty of Jews are ruthless and in positions of power, but I don't believe it's a race-wide conspiracy. It's not only Jews who are involved in the new world order.

[Anthropos]

Americanism is the Jewish spirit distilled.
-Werner Sombart.

;)

For the sake of a good debate, allow me to say that I do not agree with Werner Sombart. 'Americanism' is a vague term, and I think it is better to leave it out of this discussion. I said that the USA 'may be ...', according to some at least, that is. I did not claim that I have the right to define the USA as ....

Please take note of that.

[The Ripper]

For the sake of a good debate, allow me to say that I do not agree with Werner Sombart. 'Americanism' is a vague term, and I think it is better to leave it out of this discussion. I said that the USA 'may be ...', according to some at least, that is. I did not claim that I have the right to define the USA as ....

Please take note of that.

It is from his work The Jews And Modern Capitalism.

[RoyBatty]

Why do you think anti-Semitism exists in our modern societies? Do you feel that it is based on reality or on fantasy to be anti-Semitic? What reasons are there for anti-Semitism, and do you think they're justified? What do you think of those who hold opposite viewpoints to your own regarding anti-Semitism? Please be thorough and give concrete examples for your arguments.

1 - The first myth to dispel is the myth of "anti-semitism". This term was coined by Zionists and Jewish radicals. The vast majority of Israel's Jewish population as well as Jewish populations living outside Israel aren't Semitic and don't look "Semitic" at all.

2 - The true meaning of the term "anti-Semitic" is that the subject harbours negative feelings about people of Semitic origin. The Semitic group includes Middle Eastern Jews (as opposed to the more common Eastern European Jews) but also includes non-Jews. In other words, using "Semitic" as a synonym for "Jew" is ridiculous and a sign of a BS'er or uneducated sheep at work.

3 - The term "anti-semitism" is typically applied by Zionists, Jewish radicals and their collaborators to "shame" and blacklist those who speak out against their various scams and transgressions against humanity. According to the Zionists and their ilk such people have supposed "irrational and racist anti-semitic" fixations. It should also be noted that the term "racism" and "racist" is used and applied by these same Zionists, Jewish radicals, liberals and their usually African-origin stooges to smear those who won't accept Rainbow Nation Social Engineering, Political Correctness and so on.

4 - As for (more correctly) anti-Jewish / Zionist sentiments, the reasons are obvious.

- Jews never assimilate into the countries they move to, they always maintain their Jewish identity.
- They tend to be successful which could cause resentment amongst a few idiots but the real reasons why they are often disliked is that they often become too greedy and start exploiting their hosts. It is usually only a small minority who behave like this but they are well organised, well capitalised and naturally well supported within the Jewish community. The end result is that all Jews are often tarred with the same brush.

Is this wrong and unfair?

Of course it is but on the other hand Jews as a group bear collective responsibility for their actions and should be doing more to reign in those who bite the hand that feeds them.

5 - Zionists are at the center of an incredible array of social, political, military and financial scams around the globe. They have tentacles everywhere unlike any other group who usually only have limited influence in their particular strongholds. Notable Zionist scams include "War on Terror", Bolshevism / Communism, Political Correctness, Banking and Market Manipulation, Social Engineering and the transformation of Europe into a (non-European origin) Multi-Kulti United Nations, the promotion of homosexuality and radical feminazism, extorting money from countries like Germany to this day and so on.

Every nation, religion, race, group etc have their scammers and criminal psychopaths but none are as successful, ruthless, homicidal and well connected as the Zionists. That is the difference between them and the rest.

[skyhawk]

I don't like the stereotyping of any people...............so I don't agree with anti-semitism.
Having said that I don't like the use of the tag " anti-semite " when it is used to slur non Jewish critics of Israeli state policies.............some of which I find abhorrant.

[Hrolf Kraki]

Your countrymen here on the Apricity insist that Europe is just that, and I assume therefore that it is really the USA that they are talking about. Hrolf Kraki and Pallamedes are the prime examples, but there are many others with a less striking tendency.

I'm a prime example of mixed European and Jewish culture? You're the one who worships a Jew, not me! Explain this.

[Anthropos]

I'm a prime example of mixed European and Jewish culture? You're the one who worships a Jew, not me! Explain this.

You are way too stupid to have a discussion with, sorry.

[Hrolf Kraki]

You are way too stupid to have a discussion with, sorry.

Excuse me? Based on what? That I happen to not dislike Jews? I got you cornered and you can't weasel your way out so you simply say I'm too stupid to talk to. What the fuck is your problem?

[Grumpy Cat]

Paranoia. I find it rather amusing how everything can become a Jewish conspiracy theory. Hell, some people catch a cold and they blame it on the Jews. LOL.

[Poltergeist]

Anti-semitism doesn't have to be necessarily related to conspiracy theories, it may just mean a general dislike of the Jews. Excessive stereotyping of an entire people (or religious community: Jews themselves are not so unambiguous as to what of these two they actually are).

I dislike both anti-semitism and philo-semitism.

[Aemma]

Might I remind our dear members to please keep the discussion civil and not personal. Thanks. :thumb001:

[Puddle of Mudd]

I believe it is just another smear label way overused in situations where it doesn't apply to the point where its impact has been lessoned greatly.

[Pallantides]

I got nothing against Jews, they have not done anything against me or mine that warrants any sort of hatred, Jews don't control our media or our politicians either, many of the Socialist politicans in my country are quite anti-Semitic and they are the ones who support mass immigration from Muslim countries, I see no reason to blame 1000 Norwegian Jews for that.

[Antonine]

Both seem like forms of an obsession. While Jews are definitely an interesting people, and yes, there are some who are in positions of power who cause harm, it does not necessitate either attitude. Rather, one should simply have righteous indignation for the sake of wanting what is good.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Why do you think anti-Semitism exists in our modern societies?

It exists as a term to exempt one group of people from criticism by other groups when that group (jews) tramples on the interests of other groups

[Cato]

Your countrymen here on the Apricity insist that Europe is just that, and I assume therefore that it is really the USA that they are talking about. Hrolf Kraki and Pallamedes are the prime examples, but there are many others with a less striking tendency.

Blahblahblahblahblahblahblah.

Don't gossip you churlish turd, just call me out on it and tell me to my face, virtually-speaking, that I'm a Judeophile, which you seem to think since I don't want to stuff them all into ovens.

http://wackyiraqi.com/wtf/with_jews_you_lose.jpg

[Cato]

^

Oh, and P.S., you do a lot of bitching for someone whose profile doesn't say

Apricity Funding Member
"Friend of SNPA"

like mine does.

Turd.

[Daos]

Why do you think anti-Semitism exists in our modern societies?

The so called "anti-semitism" is an allergic reaction to the jewish way of being - the natural reaction to their actions. They reap what they sow.


Do you feel that it is based on reality or on fantasy to be anti-Semitic?

Reality, although it might be embellished sometimes...


What reasons are there for anti-Semitism, and do you think they're justified?

I'll talk about my area. In the Middle Ages the few jews that lived here were tax-collectors. Needless to say they overtaxed the peasants and lined their own pockets. The situation in the region escalated to such a degree that the Pope had to intervene and sack them. He also asked them to convert, but they preferred to just leave...:p

Later, in the 19th c. they illegally exploited our forests (the companies "Pollack Brothers" and "Groedl Brothers"), using their schemes they also managed to monopolise the animal trade and even get their hands on some mountains! Also, one jew, Hus Avrum, had a gang (probably the only gang in the history of Maramureș) and after committing several murders, and who knows what else, was hanged.

More recently, the jews also were an important part of the communist party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romanian_Jews#Political_figures) - many having leading positions.

After the '89 Revolution, the same communist scum remained in power - including our first president: Ion Iliescu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Iliescu) (of jewish-gypsy ancestry)...

And as for the media... The Hearst Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Corporation) (I couldn't find any proof that George Randolph Hearst, Jr. is a jew, however the general manager of Sanoma Hearst Romania is jewish), Ringier AG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringier), Media Promo Valores own most publications and Central European Media Enterprises (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_European_Media_Enterprises), SBS Broadcasting Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBS_Broadcasting_Group) (succeded by ProSiebenSat.1 Media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProSiebenSat.1_Media)), News Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation) own many channels and even radio stations. Also, News Outdoor Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Outdoor_Group) is just one of the companies responsible for littering our countries with advertisements.


What do you think of those who hold opposite viewpoints to your own regarding anti-Semitism?

I think they should interact with the jews and get a first hand experience of their way of being and also they might want to read more about their deeds.

[Fortis in Arduis]

'Anti-Semitism' is a political propaganda term.

I try not to use it.

[Tabiti]

I don't think that Anti-Semitism is so popular here, no matter most people know jokes about jews. I'm not a big fan of Semites (including Arabs), however I don't care much about it. If there are few jews that control the world in a hidden black room with huge LCD screens it is because our stupidity, not their Zionist evilness.

[Anthropos]

Blahblahblahblahblahblahblah.

Don't gossip you churlish turd, just call me out on it and tell me to my face, virtually-speaking, that I'm a Judeophile, which you seem to think since I don't want to stuff them all into ovens.

http://wackyiraqi.com/wtf/with_jews_you_lose.jpg

Gossip on the open internet? I don't gossip. And you suggested that Jews could be stuffed into ovens. Noone else did that as far as I am aware. You are just a dumb troll.


^

Oh, and P.S., you do a lot of bitching for someone whose profile doesn't say

Apricity Funding Member
"Friend of SNPA"

like mine does.

Turd.

I don't think that Apricity Funding Member is the same thing as an asshole. Just my two cents.

[Absinthe]

I am not antisemitic, but my worldview, in both physical and metaphysical sense, largely classes with the traditional Hebrew worldview. So it's not a culture I am particularly fond of. Having said that, I don't have anything against individual Jewish people who may not espouse that worldview.

[Luern]

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews... become worse... this will assist in realization of our plans... I have an excellent idea... I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth... The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”.

Theodor Herzl (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

Jews need antisemitism, just as anti-racists need racism to exist, they have to fuel such sentiments.

[Absinthe]

Jews need antisemitism, just as anti-racists need racism to exist, they have to fuel such sentiments.

That is so true. Paranoia of persecution is necessary by definition in the Zionist agenda. And not only in the Jewish people but in every ethnic roll call in History, the notion of external threat is always capitalized, if not invented.

[The Ripper]

Zionist propaganda of the early 20th century in Germany has the same message as Nazi propaganda: the Jews are a plague on Germany and would do better to relocate [to Palestine].

"Each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews, if she doesn't want disorders in her stomach. Germany already has too many Jews."
-Chaim Weizmann (future first president of the Israeli state) in 1912.

"The Jew is a caricature of a normal, natural human being, both physically and spiritually. As an individual in society he revolts and throws off the harness of social obligation, knows no order nor discipline."
-From the publocation of Zionist youth organization Hasomer Hatzair, 1917 and again in 1936.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Jews are lovely people,they are my schoenlappers:cool:

[Don]

Being european and antisemite is one of the reactions in ethnic behaviour of more common sense.

Being an old Spaniard breed and not being antisemite is to be an ignorant of basics of culture and history or just to be simply idiot.

Natural reactions.

[Poltergeist]

Being european and antisemite is one of the reactions in ethnic behaviour of more common sense.

Being an old Spaniard breed and not being antisemite is to be an ignorant of basics of culture and history or just to be simply idiot.

Natural reactions.

Spanish anti-Semitism is a form of self-hatred, since almost half of Spain is of Semitic (Jewish and Arabic) origin, the other half is divided between Gypsies and some rests of the ancient peoples of Iberia (maybe 15% all in all).

[Loki]

Jews need antisemitism, just as anti-racists need racism to exist, they have to fuel such sentiments.

Jews don't need antisemitism to exist, but it strengthens their cohesion and case for self-determination and independence. Racists, though, definitely need non-white people in order to be racist.

[The Ripper]

Jews don't need antisemitism to exist, but it strengthens their cohesion and case for self-determination and independence. Racists, though, definitely need non-white people to be racist.

But isn't their whole diaspora identity structured around this "oppressed by the rest of society", ghetto-mentality? At least judging by their political activism..

[Loki]

But isn't their whole diaspora identity structured around this "oppressed by the rest of society", ghetto-mentality? At least judging by their political activism..

No, I wouldn't say so. But it is certainly strengthened by oppression. This principle is nothing new though. Just have a look at how Christians were persecuted in the early Roman Empire. Brutally and ruthlessly. That caused them to be even more dedicated, and eventually Christianity triumphed over the mighty Roman Empire.

[Pallantides]

Everytime I lose in a video game I blame the Jews or black people depending on my mood.

[Cato]

No, I wouldn't say so. But it is certainly strengthened by oppression. This principle is nothing new though. Just have a look at how Christians were persecuted in the early Roman Empire. Brutally and ruthlessly. That caused them to be even more dedicated, and eventually Christianity triumphed over the mighty Roman Empire.

Largely embellished insofar as I've been able to discover. From the get-go, the Roman authorities were at a loss for who these "Christians" were. Emperor Hadrian mentions Christians who worship Serapis existed in Alexandria in some of the imperial correspondence (http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Historia_Augusta/Firmus_et_al*.html#8). Hadrian's predecessor Trajan had to have Pliny explain who they were to him in some more correspondence, saying that they [the Christians] got up at sunrise and sang hymns to Christ (coincidentally supporting the pagans who asserted that Christians worship the sun). Marcus Aurelius mentions them briefly, and with some derision, in his Meditations. Epictetus the Stoic mentions Galileans in the lectures that his pupil Arrian transcribed, but this has been doctored to read "Christians" in a couple of translations of the lectures that I've seen. Suetonius mentions a "Chrestus" agitating the Jews in Rome during the reign of Claudius and many Christians take this as proof that Christians were in Rome during the reign of Claudius (even though the names Chrestus and Christus aren't the same- one is a fairly common Greek name and the other is a messianic title; Suetonius implies that a Jew, named Chrestus, was causing disruptions in Rome during Tiberius Claudius' reign, and so all the Jews were thrown out).

Etc.

And (a bit abrasive, but the guy here does his homework):

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/persecutions.html

[The Khagan]

But isn't their whole diaspora identity structured around this "oppressed by the rest of society", ghetto-mentality? At least judging by their political activism..

Ghetto mentality?

All the Jews I know have a tendency to be affluent, productive members of our society. They're definitely not an exclusive or ostracized bunch here.

Antisemitism stems from insecurity, indeed all racism does.

[Anthropos]

Ghetto mentality?

All the Jews I know have a tendency to be affluent, productive members of our society. They're definitely not an exclusive or ostracized bunch here.

Antisemitism stems from insecurity, indeed all racism does.

Most of the things labelled 'anti-semitism' are not examples of racism.

[The Ripper]

Ghetto mentality?

Yeah, as if they were still living in the ghetto i.e. "Jewish quarter" - which is what "ghetto" originally means.

[The Khagan]

Most of the things labelled 'anti-semitism' are not examples of racism.

Yep, I understand this, but for the sake of being concise in my post I decided not to bring this up.

What exists as "true antisemitism" is indeed racism, but things that the Anti-Defamation League pull out of their asses sometimes is just absurd.


Yeah, as if they were still living in the ghetto i.e. "Jewish quarter" - which is what "ghetto" originally means.

Perhaps this is just in Europe, while there are certain enclaves of predominately Jewish communities in the US, especially in major cities, it's hardly significant here.

Jewish and Euro ("white") American cultural attitudes are nearly indistinguishable at moderate levels. However, the extremities of both spectrums tend to fall out quite a distance.

[The Ripper]

What exists as "true antisemitism" is indeed racism, but things that the Anti-Defamation League pull out of their asses sometimes is just absurd.

That is because they use antisemitism, or the charge of it, as a weapon to advance an agenda. They are an interest organization, a lobby, if you will. They don't intend to be unbiased in the first place.

I think you would find the Israeli documentary called Defamation from 2009 interesting. You can watch it here: http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=7208


Perhaps this is just in Europe, while there are certain enclaves of predominately Jewish communities in the US, especially in major cities, it's hardly significant here

I've simply wondered at the hysterical anti-anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is virtually non-existent among native Europeans. To me it seems that Jews very much gather around this oppressed under dog mentality and use the slightest incident to affirm it.

Recently there have been news of increasing anti-semitic attacks against Jews in Malmö, Sweden's most Muslim city. There have been articles in every major media of how "the Jews are fleeing" with comments from the migrants like "Malmö is a lost city for us" (despite there being no physical attacks against Jews with the exception of the pro-Israel demostration last year). The Mayor of Malmö, Estonian-born Ilmar Reepalu has been attacked by some media as anti-semitic for not doing enough to save the Jews, he has also been threatened with death and he received a bullet with the Star of David on it. :D

But what is even more interesting is that this migration out of the "lost city" of Malmö has been going on for decades - only the migrants have been Swedes, not Jews. But just the same, they are forced (or able, rather) to go. Nobody writes newspaper articles for them, nor are there any interest organizations to swoop down and send the authorities into a panic with allegations of not being pro-Swedish (because being pro-Swedish is almost as bad as being anti-semitic in Sweden).

[SwordoftheVistula]

Antisemitism stems from insecurity, indeed all racism does.

I suppose, in the way that locking your door when you go outside ' stems from insecurity'


Perhaps this is just in Europe, while there are certain enclaves of predominately Jewish communities in the US, especially in major cities, it's hardly significant here.

Jewish and Euro ("white") American cultural attitudes are nearly indistinguishable at moderate levels. However, the extremities of both spectrums tend to fall out quite a distance.

On what planet? The jews themselves admit they still maintain this ghetto mentality, joking that they "live like Episcopalians but vote like Peurto Ricans"

Here's a symposium where they offer various explanations as to why they are so culturally different from white Americans:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-are-jews-liberals-a-symposium-15223

[The Khagan]

I suppose, in the way that locking your door when you go outside ' stems from insecurity'



Yes, because this is relative, how? lol.




On what planet? The jews themselves admit they still maintain this ghetto mentality, joking that they "live like Episcopalians but vote like Peurto Ricans"

Here's a symposium where they offer various explanations as to why they are so culturally different from white Americans:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-are-jews-liberals-a-symposium-15223

They can say all they want about how culturally different they are from white americans, but the truth is they beat white people in America at... well, being white. They excel in all of our systems except for our political one (education, business etc) and no, this doesn't mean they run and "jew-rig" our society.

I know plenty of limousine liberals, and they run the gamut from WASP stock to Jews to Blacks and everything in between.

It's all culturally relative, exactly as a Jewish Rabbi in the article you posted put:

"England’s famous American-trained chief rabbi Joseph H. Hertz would have been astonished by the title and central assumption of Norman Podhoretz’s Why Are Jews Liberals? “Jews are by nature conservative,” he wrote in his commentary to the Authorised Daily Prayer Book, which hecompleted during World War II. He explained that “loyalty to the State is ingrained in the Jewish character” and that “in all those countries in which persecution has not embittered their life,” Jews “are no more radical than the non-Jewish members of the social class to which they belong.”"

And there is truth to that in the US. The great degree of regionalism and historical tolerance of Jewish people in a given area relaxes the whole "minority status" of Jews and allows them to melt into all facets of the political spectrum. As Asega said in the Geert Wilders thread, Jews are incredibly pragmatic, just as their European and White American counterparts are.

[Austrvegr]

Antisemitism stems from insecurity, indeed all racism does.

Like medicine stems from insecurity towards disease.

[Murphy]

I don't hate Jews on any personal level. I take them as people, as they come.

However, I do have issues with their collective Talmudic-Jewish mentality, and the influence many Jews have in the financial and political world, though even they they seem seperate from their lowlier cousins.

[SwordoftheVistula]

They can say all they want about how culturally different they are from white americans, but the truth is they beat white people in America at... well, being white.

How so? Unless you mean the distorted version of what 'being white' (corrupt financiers, decadent etc)


They excel in all of our systems except for our political one

More disconnect from reality. Out political system is where they excel the most. For example, 13% of the US Senate is Jewish, while only 2% of the population is, not to mention prominent roles in the administrations of both parties. Currently, Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod are Obama's top advisers, and both are jewish.



... “loyalty to the State is ingrained in the Jewish character”...

Wouldn't that make them less American? Individualism and opposition to the State are key components of the American character.

[Don Brick]

I have nothing against Jewish people. In fact quite the opposite. They tend to be very successful and hard working, something which I admire immensely. Many of the world´s greatest artists, authors, scientist etc have been Jewish. I think antisemitism stems mostly from sheer jealousy and feelings of inadequacy.

[Cato]

Prior to their successive defeats at the hands of the Romans and expulsion from their lands, there was a Jewish minority that preached cooperation with, and loyalty to, Rome. A good example is Josephus, who was probably pro-Roman before he took the surname Flavius in honor of his imperial benefactor, Emperor Vespasian. Another example of a well-adjusted Jew, but not exactly a pro-Roman Jew, was Philo of Alexandria, who was among the Alexandrian delegation to Caligula to attempt to persuade Little Boots not to erect a statue of himself in the temple of Jerusalem.

The vast majority of the Jews either actively opposed Rome, like the Zealots, or were simply too unconcerned to care.

[Charles Martel]

All I am going to say all Semites are scum Arabs or Jews. Jews are overhyped. Israel is not master nation, in fact sooner or later the Arabs will regain Palestine. Israel is in decline, and when it falls no one will care. The Europeans learned a lesson never choose sides with the Semites, since it will only bring us grieve.

[RoyBatty]

All I am going to say all Semites are scum Arabs or Jews. Jews are overhyped. Israel is not master nation, in fact sooner or later the Arabs will regain Palestine. Israel is in decline, and when it falls no one will care. The Europeans learned a lesson never choose sides with the Semites, since it will only bring us grieve.

Israel isn't in decline, we (EU, USA, Russia etc) are effectively subsidising them. As far as "nobody caring if it falls", there are an alarming number of Evangelicals in the USA, South America and increasingly even in Europe who obsessively care.

I happen to know one such a devoted zealot. A very significant part of the Evangelical "teachings" involves the State of Israel and committing their followers to support it. I've seen this with my own eyes. Church services with Israeli flags draped over the pulpit etc. It's crazy. The followers are crazy. There are millions of them.

[Gamera]

I don't dislike the Jews. There are good and bad Jews, just like everywhere.

When I was reading the memoir from Szpilman (the one book which The Pianist was based on), even he tells how some ghetto jews were split between money loving rich scum, and others who were good people and hard working, and for that reason he was disappointed with his own people.

Just like in my family. Our Jewish relatives nowadays are all mostly dead, but there were horrible want-to-stuff-them-in-an-oven ones, and other ones who were really great people and very hard working and kind to anyone, like my great-grandparents.

[W. R.]

I think Israel is cool. If it didn't exist where would our Jews emigrate (those ones left after Addie's visit to this country)? And every people has the right to have its scrap of land, [even] the Jews too.

[Lithium]

I support the anti-semitism to some degrees, but I am not too radical

[blan]

everyone has there own take on this subject, there are good jews and bad jews in my view, i am aware of how many see whites and non jews, i know how many view the christian faith, i will never hate an entire group of people for what a portion thinks and does.
the jews who dont care about me and my brethren and support the killing of people in palestine then they can go to hell, i wont bother them just dont ask me to support you in your genocide against the arabic people and your corruption and hypocrisy, as for jews who are good neighbors and treat people with respect and are kind to me then hey i have to problem sitting at the same table with them and breaking bread.

[Atlas]

Jews are not any smarter than any other groups... I know some of radical white people (not on Apricity though) like to whine about how they are in the medias, or banks, lawyer, doctors etc, but for one jewish lawyer, how many are paper boys, nurses, or even janitors?

They are jews in mental institution, in prisons, in lower social class... which is why I am not even antisemitic. However, I think they're pretty lucky to be still around after thousands years of hatred toward them until now.

[Debaser11]

I'm not some guy reading The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or anything, but I think a person is pretty ignorant if they think the white gentile's annoyances with SOME Jews and Jewish propaganda just came out of some irrational void of hatred.

It's pretty clear that many of the politically-oriented ones (not just hardcore Zionists) apply double standards. Western culture has also been profoundly "Jewified" since the 1950s. It's hard to not notice how this has been extremely negative. So they aren't angels.

That being said, there is nothing intrinsically evil about the Jew. That type of talk is garbage. And it is true that Ashkenazi Jews have unquestionably contributed to culture in a positive way as well. They have very honorable traditions and are generally a well-bred people. They seem to be, pound for pound, the smartest people on the planet when you factor in world achievement and how overrepresented they are in various categories ranging from science to mathematics to literature.

[Beorn]

Enough has been said in this thread to make me not want to write an essay, but I will say whilst I am not anti-Semitic, I do tend to come to clash with a lot of Cohen's. :D

[Megrez]

I don't have any particular feeling on semitic peoples (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_peoples#Ancient_Semitic_peoples).

[blan]

I am personally anoyed that semitic instantly means jew, there are Semitic North africans who are of christian background that goes back 1000 years and more, no one should be against the semitic people but the media would have you under the impression that semitic = jewish

[Crossbow]

I think Israel is cool. If it didn't exist where would our Jews emigrate (those ones left after Addie's visit to this country)? And every people has the right to have its scrap of land, [even] the Jews too.

And after the war, Jews have left the SU because of Stalin's anti-semitism, and this continued some decades after his death. Jews had their 'nationality' ("jew"') written in their passports.
And why would the ones left in your country have had a desire to leave, after WW II?

[Roguegunner]

With the Zionist controlled media constantly shoving pro-multicultural, white guilt sentiments down my throat, of course i am anti-Semitic. Most brainwashed people project the Muslims as being the number one enemy as they're the ones being constantly portrayed at terrorists. Fighting on the ''frontlines'' essentially. While behind the scenes, the Mossad is secretly pulling all the strings and making these wars happen - all in the name of profit.

Most people are so traumatized with guilt because of the 'Holocaust', that no one will question the Jews motives out of fear as being labeled anti-semitic...

[Fortis in Arduis]

With the Zionist controlled media constantly shoving pro-multicultural, white guilt sentiments down my throat, of course i am anti-Semitic. Most brainwashed people project the Muslims as being the number one enemy as they're the ones being constantly portrayed at terrorists. Fighting on the ''frontlines'' essentially. While behind the scenes, the Mossad is secretly pulling all the strings and making these wars happen - all in the name of profit.

Most people are so traumatized with guilt because of the 'Holocaust', that no one will question the Jews motives out of fear as being labeled anti-semitic...

The media in Europe generally gives very negative press to any right-wing action effected by Israel, so if the media is Zionist-controlled, there seems to be a disconnect somewhere.

US foreign aid is 'given' to Israel on the condition that Israel purchases weaponry from US companies with the money, which is less then 2% of Israel's GDP. Israel is not dependent on this money. Israel is being manipulated by the US administration. This is how:

The Zionist state is discouraged from taking decisive action against the threats that it faces, prolonging the conflict.

Qui bono? The US military-industrial complex. Meanwhile, Israel continues to shrink.

[Austin]

Jews control and are behind much of the media yet I do not believe there is a Jewish mastermind organization that controls all western media. If this was so then there would be no coverage of the Palestinian conflict at all, nobody in the West would even know what a Palestinian was if Israel had it's way. Look at European media it is extremely anti-Israel in respect to many issues, as is some left-leaning U.S. media so I agree it is either a poorly run conspiracy with holes in it or there is a disconnect in many places with it's supposed operatives.

Israel is reliant on U.S. aid yet more so from political and global protection aid rather than financial aid although that plays a big part.

Israel knows that Europe has no underlying love for it and would sell it out or compromise it to the Arab world. So it has struck a deal with the U.S. We will tow your every line in the region and be your greatest ally in the region politically/intelligence/support wise and in return you protect us from the world which has no love for us.

It is then no surprise that Israel cares more what the average U.S. person thinks about it than anywhere else in the world for moderate and or a general lack of opinion on Israel by the average American is what allows it to survive and Israel greatly understands this.

[RoyBatty]

Jews are not any smarter than any other groups... I know some of radical white people (not on Apricity though) like to whine about how they are in the medias, or banks, lawyer, doctors etc, but for one jewish lawyer, how many are paper boys, nurses, or even janitors?


It's difficult to say they are smarter as a whole, however, they are without a doubt better organised and unlike whitey they work together in order to slowly gain control or at least partial control over aboriginal institutions in their host countries. From that point "Jewish Interests" must always be respected and pandered to whilst aboriginal interests are either discarded as irrelevant, are watered down or simply trampled upon to make way for "new improved liberal secularist multi-kulti values".



They are jews in mental institution, in prisons, in lower social class... which is why I am not even antisemitic. However, I think they're pretty lucky to be still around after thousands years of hatred toward them until now.

Anti-semitism is an idiotic term. Semites include Arab peoples, amongst others. The "anti-semitic" definition, sadly included in nearly all dictionaries, is a fabrication.

Perhaps they are lucky to be around but the so-called "hatred" against them, if it exists, didn't come about because of "irrational fanaticism". It came about due to Jews abusing their positions in the various host regions they migrated to.

Either the whole world (meaning all the regions they migrated to or have communities in) are "illogically filled with hatred" against Jews

or

Jews (at least an influential number amongst them) provoked anti-Jewish sentiments through their actions.

I'm not convinced that EVERYBODY ELSE are wrong and that Jews are the perennial "victims" they choose to portray themselves as. It takes two to tango and to some extent they have been the architects of their own downfall on a number of occasions through excessive greed, exploitation and criminal outrages committed by them against the populations of their host countries.

One must not fall into the trap or mistaken belief that "some cultures or groups", for example the Jews, are above criticism, can do no wrong, are "victims", are better than the rest and so forth.

They are not better than us. They don't deserve our sympathy. They don't deserve special treatment, special dispensation or favours. They don't have any more claims to the "moral highground" than anybody else. We don't owe them anything. Their welfare is not our responsibility or problem.

Unfortunately for us our societies have already been infiltrated to such an extent by Zionists that they are now using our own politicians and authorities and laws against us and to forward their own causes, for example, subsidising Israel, the promotion of liberalism, multiculturalism, homosexuality, Middle Eastern Wars, Banking scams directed against our people and countries etc. etc. etc.

These events are leading to our downfall whilst they are strengthening their position using us as the cattle (financial, political, military) to achieve their aims. It's a one way parasitic relationship and we are the losers.

[Fortis in Arduis]

^^ Hmm, I think that the Zionist establishment is as corrupt as ours.

Nationalism and nationalists are a minority in Israel and Israeli children are brainwashed with multiculturalism, just like in Europe.

Israel was founded by Marxists, so what should we expect? I would say that is easier to be a nationalist in the UK than it is in Israel.

Gay pride parades go through Jerusalem.

The left-wing support of Israel is over and, now, according to political correctness, we are all supposed to support Palestine.

Anti-Zionism is a mainstream opinion in Europe now, and left-wing Jews are anti-Zionist too, and anti-racist, and pro-multicultural.

[Austin]

Israel was smart in respect to what they did in the U.S. politically. They saw that the left already had some level of sympathy with the anti-racist, pro-multicultural movement toward Israel and Jews at large so they allied and infiltrated with the political right in the U.S. which has more overall power than the left by far.

Not only did they ally with the elite of the political right they also spent years befriending numerous powerful Evangelical leaders who have massive influence in America. The result is that while Israel support is strong on the left in the U.S. it is 10x stronger now within the moderate/Neo-con political right and now even with much of the hard-right who is hawkishly pro-Israel. I must say it is a thing to behold. In places where Jews were once hated and seen as evil racially/religiously within Christian enclaves they are now openly support and funded with massive pro-Israel rallies and with alliances directly with the top Israeli leadership such as Sharon and Neten.

Case in point this man. He is a far-right, conservative, pro-Bush, Southern Evangelical Christian who runs a mega church and who wields massive power. A testament to the reality that the right in America is more pro-Israel than the left by far.tYW9pAZfKLE Sharon even gave this guy a piece of the Wall to put outside his church for his groups settlement-funding initiatives.

[RoyBatty]

Yes, as I've pointed out before the millions of Evangelical Fanatics (the "Christian" equivalent of the Taleban) are very pro-Israel nowadays. In fact, their services and sermons are often filled with pro-Israel propaganda and rhetoric to the extent that they even have Israeli flags on the preacher's pulpits. I've personally witnessed this.

These Evangelicals are mostly cattle though, as far as I can determine they tend not to be people in influential decision making Governmental and "Think Tank" type posts. They are essentially there for grassroots $$ collection, political vote collection etc.

The irony of course is that according to Evangelical Mythology, the "Rapture" will occur when the last Jew enters Israel (or something to this extent). The True Believers (meaning the Evangelicals) will go to Heaven whilst all the "Heathens" (including the infidel Jews) will burn in the fires of Hell, or something along those lines.

Politics and Religion make strange bedfellows.

[Debaser11]

Why is "anti-" anything by default a bad thing? That's what I want to know...

Jefferson, whom I admire greatly, was an anti-Federalist.

He was a good man.

I don't see why the line has to stop at classifications of people.

[Debaser11]

^^ Hmm, I think that the Zionist establishment is as corrupt as ours.

Nationalism and nationalists are a minority in Israel and Israeli children are brainwashed with multiculturalism, just like in Europe.

Israel was founded by Marxists, so what should we expect? I would say that is easier to be a nationalist in the UK than it is in Israel.

Gay pride parades go through Jerusalem.

The left-wing support of Israel is over and, now, according to political correctness, we are all supposed to support Palestine.

Anti-Zionism is a mainstream opinion in Europe now, and left-wing Jews are anti-Zionist too, and anti-racist, and pro-multicultural.

Sorry for the double post, but despite all this decadence that they put up with in their prized state, they will never allow the host race of people to be overcome. That distinction is important, I think.

I'm also skeptical that anti-Zionism is a mainstream opinion in any meaningful sense within Europe. (Aren't the Germans still paying Israel for God knows what?) I'm sure Europeans sympathize with Palestinians. It's a Marxist overlap that many Jews are all too happy to ignore.

[Roguegunner]

Rick Sanchez was recently fired from CNN for declaring that most of the media was run by the Jews. And to answer a couple previous posters: of course they are going to be showing Israel's conflict with the Palestinians. Who do they make look like the criminals? It is purely propaganda so that the kikes feel free and have the moral backing to attack these places.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Rick Sanchez was recently fired from CNN for declaring that most of the media was run by the Jews. And to answer a couple previous posters: of course they are going to be showing Israel's conflict with the Palestinians. Who do they make look like the criminals?

In Europe, Israel's defensive actions are portrayed as criminal and immoral by the media.


It is purely propaganda so that the kikes feel free and have the moral backing to attack these places.

There are but a few voices expressing support for Israel's defensive actions, and those voices are not mainstream.

Support for the Islamist terrorists is justified according to the rules of Marxist class war, because they are the poorer party, and that is why even Marxist Jews express support and sympathy for them and their aims.

[Cato]

In Europe, Israel's defensive actions are portrayed as criminal and immoral by the media.

There are but a few voices expressing support for Israel's defensive actions, and those voices are not mainstream.

Support for the Islamist terrorists is justified according to the rules of Marxist class war, because they are the poorer party, and that is why even Marxist Jews express support and sympathy for them and their aims.

How are the violent actions of the Palestinian zealots portrayed then, as the justifiable activities of brave freedom fighters? Violence against a civilian population is unacceptable, and yet both sides have engaged in violence against civilians. To whit, I consider both the Palestinians and the Israelis to be hypocritical when, while accusing the other side of atrocities, they forget their own misdeeds.

[Megrez]

How are the violent actions of the Palestinian zealots portrayed then, as the justifiable activities of brave freedom fighters? Violence against a civilian population is unacceptable, and yet both sides have engaged in violence against civilians. To whit, I consider both the Palestinians and the Israelis to be hypocritical when, while accusing the other side of atrocities, they forget their own misdeeds.
The difference is that Israelis have the holocaust to redeem them of their misdeeds.

[Roguegunner]

Yes, exactly. They always have that scapegoat to fall back on. Whenever you question something that the Jews have done, even if it is completely non-racial, you get flagged with being an anti-semite.

[RoyBatty]

In Europe, Israel's defensive actions are portrayed as criminal and immoral by the media.


There is an element of truth to this but to put it in perspective, the "media opposition and protests" against Israeli thuggery and butchering is pretty tame. Apartheid era South Africa got a much rougher deal back in the day, from the Western Media, from the UN and from Western Countries than Israel does and the levels of State sponsored violence by Apartheid SA against its "Native problem" was a fraction of what the Israelis do to the Palestinians.

I can just imagine the uproar if we'd started zapping the natives in the ghetto with attack aircraft and phosphorus bombs. There's no comparison between a mild ticking off for the Israelis and fullblown campaigns to demonise an entire culture as the (Jewish) media did with the Afrikaners.



There are but a few voices expressing support for Israel's defensive actions, and those voices are not mainstream.


True. The media play the game cleverly though. They frown a bit at "Israeli bad boy tactics" but quickly remind us about Al-Qaeda, Muslim extremism and terrorism etc. What they don't tell us is that Jewish Extremism is the main reason why "The West" has been dragged into a conflict with Muslim extremists.



Support for the Islamist terrorists is justified according to the rules of Marxist class war, because they are the poorer party, and that is why even Marxist Jews express support and sympathy for them and their aims.

No doubt there are a few nutcases amongst every group.

[RoyBatty]

Yes, exactly. They always have that scapegoat to fall back on. Whenever you question something that the Jews have done, even if it is completely non-racial, you get flagged with being an anti-semite.

Indeed, and the Jews taught the "race-card" trick to the blacks so that whenever justifiable criticism is directed at them by whites the predictable response always is:

Is it coz I is black???? :D

[Debaser11]

Indeed, and the Jews taught the "race-card" trick to the blacks so that whenever justifiable criticism is directed at them by whites the predictable response always is:

Is it coz I is black???? :D

An appropriate way to overcome that is for people to stop being scared of being racist.

"Yeah, it's cuz you're black, you stupid moolie. Now beat it."

The problem, however, is that this can harm you professionally or even financially (if the person sues you). But psychologically, people are scared of the label. I know I am.

[Charles Martel]

An appropriate way to overcome that is for people to stop being scared of being racist.

"Yeah, it's cuz you're black, you stupid moolie. Now beat it."

The problem, however, is that this can harm you professionally or even financially (if the person sues you). But psychologically, people are scared of the label. I know I am.

Just look at Rick Sanchez the dude did not say anything remotely anti-Semitic and got fired. I mean common.

[Piparskeggr]

Just a side observation here...I always thought that both Arabic tribes and Hebrew Tribes were of Semitic origin. Kind of like hating your 1st cousin for being too much like you, except he goes to the wrong temple.

Throw up a cordon around the whole region, throw in the wandering Semites and wannabe Semites, let 'em duke it out. Find out if they are any worthwhile Hamitic tribes left, bring them out before the festivities begin, let them know that the region is theirs, afterwards, under certain conditions.

Anything comes out by way of ordnance, we throw tens times that back in, randomly targeted...see what's left afterwards.

[Cato]

The difference is that Israelis have the holocaust to redeem them of their misdeeds.

Why don't they just go back to the Roman obliteration of their polity? Jews have been mushrooms for more than 2,000 years, and one only needs to look at the legal lectures of Cicero (wherein he says openly what we all want to say nowadays: Jews are cliqueish, greedy, thieving, and money-grubbing), a moderate and broad-minded man of old Rome, to see this.

[Austin]

It is very hypocritical of Israel to be an openly racist state and openly oppress people in their policy then turn around and attack the Nazi's for doing just that against them.

[Charles Martel]

It is very hypocritical of Israel to be an openly racist state and openly oppress people in their policy then turn around and attack the Nazi's for doing just that against them.

True here is an article where Chinese workers were not allowed to have fun with Israeli girls



No Sex Please, You're Chinese

From correspondents in Jerusalem
December 24, 2003

AN ISRAELI company has required thousands of Chinese workers to sign a contract promising not to have sex with Israelis or try to convert them, a police spokesman said today.

According to the document, male workers cannot come into contact with Israeli women - including prostitutes - become their lovers or marry them, spokesman Rafi Yaffe said.

The spokesman said there was nothing illegal about the requirement and no investigation had been opened against the company.

The labourers are also forbidden in the contract from engaging in any religious or political activity. Those who violate the agreement will be sent back to China at their own expense.

About 260,000 foreigners work in Israel, having replaced Palestinian labourers during three years of fighting.

When the government first began to allow the entrance of the foreign workers in the late 1990s, ministers warned of a "social time bomb" caused by workers assimilating with Israelis.

Israeli advocates for foreign workers - who come also from Thailand, the Philippines and Romania - say they are held by employers in nearly slave-like conditions, and their bosses frequently take their passports and refuse to pay them.

The Associated Press

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8250041%255E13762,00.html

[Debaser11]

The Rick Sanchez thing is upsetting. I mean, CNN can fire their employees. Whatever. But it's scary that the public is so far gone that they're just like "yeah, he should have been more careful." That's what annoys me. Of course, the Jewish smear machine that employed him has gone right to work on him before he's even gotten both feet out of the door.

It's like whites in particular have been so browbeaten that they just accept that they are not allowed to have either racial pride or self-interest. Everyone else can and they just have to "deal."

I think RoyBatty makes an interesting point about the difference between the way the Boers are portrayed and the way Israel is portrayed. Or how about the way someone like David Irving (who as far as I can tell is a respectable man and a respectable historian) is portrayed versus someone like Eli Wiesel who has not only exaggerated about the "death camps" in books like Night, but openly said that Jews have some moral responsibility to hate Germans? Or how about the way many prominent Jews act as if Israel can defend itself (fair enough) but the U.S. cannot? (I actually see this in Wolf Blitzer's attitude from time to time.)

And back to this Sanchez "debacle," how often does Jon Stewart openly make fun of and denigrate white men? Is he not being "hateful"? Yet when Sanchez simply states an indisputable fact about Jewish ownership of the media, he's out of line? And people buy this? What slavish tendencies the average human mind seems to adopt! If we really cared about free thought, people would be rushing to this man's defense for simply stating a fact, not stepping on his neck.

P.S. I hate the Daily Show. Anyone who enjoys it for more than the occasional pun is moron. Seriously.

[The Ripper]

The case of Rick Sanchez demonstrates the "Sobran Paradox".

Joe Sobran (R.I.P.) once said that "Jews are powerless victims, and if you don't respect their victimhood, they'll destroy you."

[Lulletje Rozewater]

No doubt there are a few nutcases amongst every group.

I am one of them.
The jews promoted bonking a wall(build by a non jew-Herod.
Look at the back and forward movement in front of a crack.:p and that let to homosexuality in the army.:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL2ReQgj_zg


They too, promoted gayness in Europe,form the video you will see they have a peniskoker tied their forehead just in case they meet a young boy.That is why they cry so often,there are only Palestinian in the desert.:rolleyes2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Uh37UxqFg&feature=related

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Another righteous bonker:thumb001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zyICBKBPI&feature=related

[Hellfuhrer]

Anti-semitism exists out of logic. Most of us know how much trouble the jews have inflicted on the world. What is ironic is they have so much power in the media and society yet they still manage to be universally hated. :icon_lol:

[Austin]

I worked at my parents country club when I was younger in the fitness center filling the coffee and keeping the papers there for the old people who would come to workout in the mornings, many of whom were Jewish.

The one thing I took from listening/watching them talk about stocks and reading financial papers is that Jews are very good at keeping their group intact. That was always the backdrop of their conversations. Was she Jewish? Did he find a Jewish girl? Is he Jewish? Where from? They kept their group intact, the group (being Jewish) was the focus and all other things were secondary and or converged around that focus. I admired it in a sense, but also realized it is a very powerful force to have such devotion to ones own. I think that is the only real aspect of being a Jew, the group mentality they have and keep. Everything else they tend to disagree on as much as anyone else it seemed but the group and it's importance was always the uncompromisable issue.