Muslims in Spain create Islamic political party

[Lenny]

Political Party Inspired by Islam Is Born in Granada


Spain's first national political party inspired by Islam has been born: "El Partido Renacimiento y Unión de España" (The Party of Revival and Union).

The stated goal of the party is to be the voice of "the minorities" of Spain. With this goal in mind, it will contest local elections across Spain in 2011. Presently, the party has plans to contest seats in Granada, Málaga, Madrid, Barcelona, Murcia, Valencia, Ovideo, and Toledo.

The party was registered in 2009, but it was not until Friday the 5th of March of this year that they "went public" in an official manner. A small restaurant in the Albaicín neighborhood in central Granada was chosen as the place to inaugurate the party's existence.

The party was founded by the writer, poet, and journalist Mostafa Bakkach El-Aamrani. He is the vice-president of the 'Spanish Federation of Islamic Religious Entities'.


http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9818/mustafabakkach.jpg

Born in Morocco, El-Aamrani obtained Spanish citizenship in 2001 and lives in Granada.

Source (http://www.elpais.com/articulo/andalucia/Nace/Granada/partido/inspiracion/islamica/elpepuespand/20100306elpand_1/Tes)

[Puddle of Mudd]

The Spanish kicked them out once before, and they can do it again.

[Lenny]

Interview with Party Founder El-Aamrani (Spanish)
Entrevista con El-Aamrani aquí (http://alianzacivilizaciones.blogspot.com/2010/01/mustafa-bakkach-el-aamrani-presidente.html) (para los que leen Castellano):

Highlights:

Q. Do you want to recapture 'Al-Andalus'?
El-Aamrani: No, of course not. That is absurd. This is not possible because there is presently no Caliphate [Unified Islamic State]. If there were, the Caliphate would have to solve the problems its own citizens face before worrying about 'Al-Andalus'. All we in this party want is for Spanish-Muslims and foreign-Muslims to live in peace and harmony with Spanish-Christians and foreign-Christians.

*********

According to El-Aamrani, there are 400,000 persons of Moroccan origin in Spain with the right to vote :eek:

Elsewhere in the interview and in these recent press articles, El-Aamrani describes his party as for "all minorities", even LatinAmericans and Jews(!) living in Spain -- but occasionally the mask comes off:

El-Aamrani has explained that among all the political organizations that presently exist in Spain, there is not one that explicitly defends the interests of Arabs, or those from Asia and Africa generally. So they remain "totally marginalized". Source (http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espana/primer/partido/musulman/suelo/peninsular/anuncia/candidatura/2011/elpepuesp/20100305elpepunac_27/Tes)





And for something less serious~
One funny thing is the acronym in Spanish when read in English:

el Partido Renacimiento y Unión de España (PRUNE) concurrirá a....:D

[Don]

The Spanish kicked them out once before, and they can do it again.

We took 700 years to do so, we were very few against plagues of them who came year after year from places like Arabia, Mauritania, Morocco, Algeria, Egipt, Nubia, Yemen, Siria... they were too many compared with the few of our ancestors.

Was not easy, but full of sacrifices and further inquisition and measures to ensure that they were kicked out totally and FOREVER.

Yes, we could kick them again, specially when they are still few and not hordes from all the Islamic world... but Our politicians won't let us do so.

I can assure you 1 single thing: our ancestors, the many generations that fought killed and died against the infinite ocean of those invaders coming from massive populations compared to the very few they -spaniards- were, would be ASHAMED that their sacrifices and efforts for almost 1000 years has been thrown to the shit case.

Some people in Spain uses the word of Alta Traición (High Treason).
I'm one of that opinion.
The highest treason not only to us, but to our honorable ancestors.

That deserves justice, vengeance and blood repair, as was blood the element they all threw to give us, their descendants a Spaniard Spain, now lost, in 10 years only, by the treason of a few.

[Murphy]

Alana is going to be pissed.

[curiousman]

The Spanish kicked them out once before, and they can do it again.


Insha'Allah :)

[Poltergeist]

Isn't this Muslim movement from Granada led by some kind of self-styled neo-Moors, ie. Spaniards who converted to Islam, rather than by immigrants?

[Antonine]

Europeans are decadent, if they do not reverse the process of decadence they will be defeated. Many Spanish seem to tolerate indecent behavior in their own communities--especially by guests from England and Ireland. Islamist parties are very radical and very pragmatic, some will cloak their doctrine and aims to gain acceptance. After that, they will then find a means to gain more power within the country.


Isn't this Muslim movement from Granada led by some kind of self-styled neo-Moors, ie. Spaniards who converted to Islam, rather than by immigrants?

I know that the Murabitun movement is established in Spain by European Muslims.

Source:

The Last Days of Europe: Epitaph for an Old Continent - Walter Laqueur

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/the-last-days-of-europe-by-walter-laqueur-10909

[Amapola]

I am not surprised at all. This is the result of a long previous effort and the political action taken by the Spanish leftists through all these years (especially PSOE). It's shameful that the majority of "tired" Spaniards (there are milions) that would stand as independent candidates in the local elections to be opposed to this situation- would be called "xenophobe" and "fascist". :(

There is little to do.

[Anthropos]

I am not surprised at all. This is the result of a long previous effort and the political action taken by the Spanish leftists through all these years (especially PSOE). It's shameful that the majority of "tired" Spaniards (there are milions) that would stand as independent candidates in the local elections to be opposed to this situation- would be called "xenophobe" and "fascist". :(

There is little to do.


El-Aamrani: All we in this party want is for Spanish-Muslims and foreign-Muslims to live in peace and harmony with Spanish-Christians and foreign-Christians.

I thought that the Spanish socialists such as the PSOE were fiercely anti-traditional. I heard quite a lot to that effect. It's hard to believe that they should have created a political party inspired by Islam.

[Loddfafner]

Insha'Allah :)

Or, in Spanish, Ojalá.

[Lenny]

Islamist parties are very radical and very pragmatic, some will cloak their doctrine and aims to gain acceptance. After that, they will then find a means to gain more power within the country.There is reason to believe that it is not Islam motivating this particular group, but something else...
I mean:

A commenter reacting to the interview with Al-Aamrani (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=179909&postcount=3) wrote:
In the early 1990s, Mustafá Bakkach studied at "Mohammed I University" in Oujda, Morocco. He was at that time a Marxist, a 'comrade', ... How can one transform from Marxist to Islamist??
What would Marxism and Islam have in common? Think about it.

[Cato]

Aren't political parties against the spirit of the ummah?

[Lenny]

Isn't this Muslim movement from Granada led by some kind of self-styled neo-Moors, ie. Spaniards who converted to Islam, rather than by immigrants?
I'm surprised that they have the poor sense to have a Moroccan-born man be the 'Face of the Party'.

One would think they would appoint a native with local ancestry [convert] to be the visible "leader", like they do in Germany (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyub_Axel_K%C3%B6hler) :yuck:

[Groenewolf]

Isn't this Muslim movement from Granada led by some kind of self-styled neo-Moors, ie. Spaniards who converted to Islam, rather than by immigrants?

Does that really matter in the end? If that is true then it is only worse for them. The Spanish should consider these neo-Moors traitors.


What would Marxism and Islam have in common? Think about it.

This makes me think of a case here in the Netherlands where a Moroccan politician of Groenlinks tried to manipulate other Maroccans trough the Mosque's so they could serve as the avant garde for a Marxist revolt in Morocco. To keep a story short, the non-Marxist Muslims ended up calling in hard-line Imam's because they were tired of trying to be used by political factions (in this case Marxism and the Moroccan royal House).

So this could be a case of Marxists trying to mobilize Muslims for their own political agenda. Which could end with Salafists gaining more power. But both these outcomes would be unfavorable for Spain.


I'm surprised that they have the poor sense to have a Moroccan-born man be the 'Face of the Party'.

There is one thing to be said. Until now most of these parties have failed to gain a significant amount of votes. Most of them keep voting for the same social-democratic parties that allow them to stay and gives them welfare-handouts. And of course it could also be part of an agenda of entryism in the case of some Muslim politicians in those parties.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Lenny
What would Marxism and Islam have in common? Think about it.

From what I have read Marxism was a popular movement in many Arab states where Arabic nationalism was largely perceived to have failed and democracy was seen as corrupted by Arab politics. Today, however, it has pretty much collapsed in the wake of various Islamic movements (with an extremely wide range of interpretations regarding what a Muslim should be). Islam is far from a monolithic entity.

However the one bastion where a mutated form of Marxism survives well, that’s in Western Europe, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Islamic movements championed by neo-Marxists.


Originally Posted by Pallamedes
Aren't political parties against the spirit of the ummah?

No, contrary to popular belief many Islamic states have political parties and votes. Of course the degree to which the political systems are both free and also free of corruption varies……

[Anthropos]

However the one bastion where a mutated form of Marxism survives well, that’s in Western Europe, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Islamic movements championed by neo-Marxists.

I would be very surprised. It's necessary to distinguish between Muslims and immigrants from 'Muslim countries'. The notion of 'Muslim country' is vague and applied liberally, especially by people who want to prove that Islam is an important influence in Europe and/or a threat.

[Cato]

No, contrary to popular belief many Islamic states have political parties and votes. Of course the degree to which the political systems are both free and also free of corruption varies……

I know that such political parties exist in Muslim countries, but I've always thought that they were just fronts for the religious leaders. :confused:

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Anthropos
I would be very surprised. It's necessary to distinguish between Muslims and immigrants from 'Muslim countries'. The notion of 'Muslim country' is vague and applied liberally, especially by people who want to prove that Islam is an important influence in Europe and/or a threat.

A common trend in the neo-Marxist Left is the support of pretty much anything as long as it is against traditional European values and culture. The neo-Marxists have been particularly prominent in support for Third World immigration and the politicising of non-white immigrants.

Note that the term “Marxist” is a label, few of these organisations and parties adhere to Marxist ideology as such, but they are outgrowths from Marxist/Communist parties in post war European politics, particularly in France and Italy.


Originally Posted by Pallamedes
I know that such political parties exist in Muslim countries, but I've always thought that they were just fronts for the religious leaders.

If you are a cynic/realist, like me, one could argue that the political parties in British and American politics by and large represent the interests of a single political class….

As I wrote above, Islam isn’t a monolithic block. In Egypt religious parties are banned outright from standing for election, whilst in Iran political authority (despite elections) rests with the spiritual leadership.

[Amapola]

I thought that the Spanish socialists such as the PSOE were fiercely anti-traditional.
True.


It's hard to believe that they should have created a political party inspired by Islam.
They just smoothed the way for the others through their multicultural agenda and the like... :ohwell:

An illustration of this would be the fact that the Islamist website -Webislam- receives funds from Zapateros' government.
:eek:

[Amapola]

I'm surprised that they have the poor sense to have a Moroccan-born man be the 'Face of the Party'.

One would think they would appoint a native with local ancestry [convert] to be the visible "leader", like they do in Germany (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyub_Axel_K%C3%B6hler) :yuck:

The bulk of them are inmigrants.

Heading---> Musulmanes españoles de origen inmigrante que residen en Granada crean el partido musulmán Renacimiento y Unión

Spanish Muslims (notice the "Spanish") of inmigrant origin living in Spain set up the Muslim party X.

In their own words: “pretendemos representar a los islamistas residentes en España y a los inmigrantes, sean o no musulmanes”.
We intend to represent Islamist people resident in Spain and inmigrants, no matter they are Muslim or not.

[Anthropos]

A common trend in the neo-Marxist Left is the support of pretty much anything as long as it is against traditional European values and culture. The neo-Marxists have been particularly prominent in support for Third World immigration and the politicising of non-white immigrants.

Note that the term “Marxist” is a label, few of these organisations and parties adhere to Marxist ideology as such, but they are outgrowths from Marxist/Communist parties in post war European politics, particularly in France and Italy.

Some so-called Nationalists as well as some others in my country also believe that Social Democrats and other 'Leftists' are in favour of Islam, but it's not true. I can tell you about the case of Swedish Social Democrats, and it's a case that I know a lot about, since I have actively followed the developments for many years.

The idea concerning Islam is that SocDems want the votes of immigrants from 'Muslim countries', and there is of course some truth to that. They want all the votes they can get and that's what all parties want. It's as simple as that.

To think that the Social Democrats are pro-Islamic is fallacious. Someone who is at times presented as a 'Muslim' is a prominent member of the Swedish SocDems, but he is extremely secularistic in his ideas. He is the kind who wants to stifle any religious expression in society and who wants to forbid religious denominations from running schools etc. Noone could be any more anti-Islamic than him.

In fact, even if the others have to be more cautious in order not to be suspected of 'hostility', the rest of the SocDem party is also fiercely anti-religious. That is well documented; there is no doubt about it whatever, and they certainly do not make any exception for Islam in this regard. They are extremely concerned with stifling any tendency and any sign even of what they call 'culture of honour', and they are extremely concerned with converting Muslims to anti-traditional and anti-religious ways of thinking and acting.

I have also taken note of developments in politics in other countries, and it is clear to me that Social Democracy is indeed an international movement. Hence it has similar tendencies everywhere. If Spanish Socialists are different, that must be because they are an exception.

In other words, whatever it is that people see that is pro-Islamic in Socialists generally, they are quite mistaken. They make no distinction between ordinary and commonplace populism and real political tendencies. That's how they come to draw conclusions that are false.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Anthropos
In other words, whatever it is that people see that is pro-Islamic in Socialists generally, they are quite mistaken.

I wouldn’t say there is anything inherently pro-Islam in socialism, although I would reiterate that my comment refers to the Neo-Marxist Left, not socialism as an ideology or socialist parties in general (who may or may not have a foundation in Marxism/Communist thought, socialism, communism and Marxism are, of course, different ideologies). The UK Labour Party started out as a benchmark socialist party, later developing into “social democracy” yet the links between Labour and various Communist/Marxist organisations is well known.

Neo-Marxism isn’t a party, it’s an ideology, a fluid one at that bearing little relation to the economic basis of Marxism, which has crossed party lines, neo-Marxists are as increasingly likely to be found in “conservative” and “liberal” parties as much as in socialist or communist parties. What we can call neo-Marxism has links to the old Communist/Marxist parties in post war Europe, however despite links to Soviet Communism/Marxism much of it’s spiritual energy actually comes from American politics.

[Lenny]

There is reason to believe that it is not Islam motivating this particular group, but something else...
I mean:

A commenter reacting to the interview with Al-Aamrani (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=179909&postcount=3) wrote:
In the early 1990s, Mustafá Bakkach studied at "Mohammed I University" in Oujda, Morocco. He was at that time a Marxist, a 'comrade', ... How can one transform from Marxist to Islamist??
What would Marxism and Islam have in common? Think about it.


A common trend in the neo-Marxist Left is the support of pretty much anything as long as it is against traditional European values and culture. The neo-Marxists have been particularly prominent in support for Third World immigration and the politicising of non-white immigrants.

Note that the term “Marxist” is a label, few of these organisations and parties adhere to Marxist ideology as such, but they are outgrowths from Marxist/Communist parties in post war European politics, particularly in France and Italy.

Liffrea got it exactly right, IMO.

At first glance, it would seem the guy had a radical change of ideology from his early 20s [1991] to his early 40s [now]. But actually not so much at all.

Political-Islam is today what Communism was to previous generations of non(racial)Europeans. Most of the "anti-imperial" struggles of the 1918-1970s period wore the cloak of Karl-Marx. We even forget that tinpot-racial-dictator Robert Mugabe was a dedicated communist, once upon a time. But Communism is dead. Islam has, strangely, partly filled the vacuum left by it.

More evidence:

In their own words: “pretendemos representar a los islamistas residentes en España y a los inmigrantes, sean o no musulmanes”.
We intend to represent Islamist people resident in Spain and inmigrants, no matter they are Muslim or not.
No true Islamist would say "We want to represent all foreigners"... :rolleyes:

[Murphy]

If it makes anyone feel better, I took Granada from the Moors last night playing Medieval II Total War, as the Spanish. It took me 3 pushes forward, but I dealt the death blow eventually :).

[Amapola]

No true Islamist would say "We want to represent all foreigners"... :rolleyes:

We should not take it as a joke! :mad:, the parties holding the balance of power have achieved a lot in the imperfect democratic Spain we live in. Check "El Bloque Nacionalista Gallego" or "Iquierda Unida" in the Basque lands. Read about the victories of the "tripartido". Don't ignore how nasty the Partido Andalucista or Izquierda Unida got in the South keeping a Socialist regime in exchange of their daily bread. :(

It might be a significant springboard for the ones managing this party beyond the strait of Gibraltar.

Partido Renacimiento y Unión de España (PRUNE) means to achieve representation in the important municipalities after the elections of 2011. In order to achieve that, they will have to get support not only from the almost 1.300.000 Muslims living in Spain,- a number greater than the votes obtained in the last elections by IU, Ciu or PNV (basques Nationalists), but also from the group of the other inmigrants who feel vulnerable.

Additionally, Zapatero's goverment is planning to sign with Rabat various agreements of reciprocity so that the citizens of Morocco can vote in Spain and the few Spaniards living in Morocco can do the same. In the municipalities there they are already a majority, the Muslims try to impose their own customs.

Some people suspect that the medium-term PSOE's interests lie behind this party (or their limited opposition to it), since they will need to rely a party holding the balance of the power. I firmly agree, especially when remembering the lack of socialist denunciations before the beatings given to women for not wearing the veil (not a single word from their hard-working feminists or artists, or the dumbness of their leaders before the persecution of homosexuals in Islamic countries. :coffee:

[Lenny]

We should not take it as a joke! :mad:
I agree with you that it is not a joke -- But, as I read more into it, I now think this party is just another head of the monster of Leftist Anti-Europeanism, and not actually "Islamist" in a serious way. It uses the 'Flag of Islam' in the way that previous generations of anti-Europeans used the Red Flag. IMO.


Additionally, Zapatero's goverment is planning to sign with Rabat various agreements of reciprocity so that the citizens of Morocco can vote in Spain and the few Spaniards living in Morocco can do the same. In the municipalities there they are already a majority, the Muslims try to impose their own customs.That is worrying. From what I have heard, the Spanish government has recklessly given amnesty to previous waves of illegal-immigrants several times by now, too. So, a lot of them are "legal" that way already! :(


Some people suspect that the medium-term PSOE's interests lie behind this party (or their limited opposition to it), since they will need to rely a party holding the balance of the power. I firmly agree, especially when remembering the lack of socialist denunciations before the beatings given to women for not wearing the veil (not a single word from their hard-working feminists or artists, or the dumbness of their leaders before the persecution of homosexuals in Islamic countries. :coffee:
I think this makes most sense.

The Muslim and the Red both using each other as "useful idiots" (http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/21/messages/253.html).

[Vasconcelos]

If you kept being invaded, you can always jump to the other side of the border for refuge!

[Foxy]

I think that the minorities should have an only right when they are in a foreign country: the integration. But that a whole country must integrate in favour of these minorities equals to a self-destruction.

[Psychonaut]

I think that the minorities should have an only right when they are in a foreign country: the integration. But that a whole country must integrate in favour of these minorities equals to a self-destruction.

Really?

So, in Italy, you'd rather them completely integrate into the Italian populace so that the boundary between Arabs and Italians disappears? Integration is a two way street. It is never just one group that is changed by it. Since there will always be some immigration, is not the salad bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_bowl_%28cultural_idea%29) a better model than the melting pot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot)?

[Foxy]

Really?

So, in Italy, you'd rather them completely integrate into the Italian populace so that the boundary between Arabs and Italians disappears? Integration is a two way street. It is never just one group that is changed by it. Since there will always be some immigration, is not the salad bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_bowl_%28cultural_idea%29) a better model than the melting pot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot)?

I meant that at least is muslims who have to adapt ot us and not vice-versa. Obvious that if they don't come at all is far better ;)

[Korbis]

I meant that at least is muslims who have to adapt ot us and not vice-versa. Obvious that if they don't come at all is far better ;)


Except for they don´t adapt at all.

Few weeks ago there was a riot in Melilla (northern african spanish enclave) because moors don´t like the female spanish police officers to walk near the moroccan frontier and nor even in the spanish customs.

What a bunch of animals. How can we expect them to adapt? And I´m glad for that.

Modern spanish language have lot of slang derived from old anti- jewish and anti- muslim sentiment regarding poor hygiene and lack of qualms, once they learn it they should acknowledge they just don´t belong here.

[Foxy]

Except for they don´t adapt at all.

Few weeks ago there was a riot in Melilla (northern african spanish enclave) because moors don´t like the female spanish police officers to walk near the moroccan frontier and nor even in the spanish customs.

What a bunch of animals. How can we expect them to adapt? And I´m glad for that.

Modern spanish language have lot of slang derived from old anti- jewish and anti- muslim sentiment regarding poor hygiene and lack of qualms, once they learn it they should acknowledge they just don´t belong here.

Yeah, here too. We call "Marocchino" (Moroccan) every northern African or black who goes around trying to sell you something in the streets or on the beaches in a dispregiative way. The term born during the II WW, when the French Moroccan troops arrived in Italy and devasted the zone, in particular Ciociaria, raping about 6000 women and spreading sexual diseases which turned a lot of pregnancies into natural abortions.
My feelings towards them are not such different from yours. I am waiting for the first European country which will kick them out for first.

[SeasonOfBloodTreason]

That muslim can pass as a native Iberian

[The Lawspeaker]

Ooh nice... hello Henry. :coffee::rolleyes2:

[Ibericus]

That muslim can pass as a native Iberian
Welcome back Matematik or Henry, or the other thousands of accounts.. It's funny being banned every week isn't it ? :icon_yawn:

[SeasonOfBloodTreason]

Welcome back Matematik or Henry, or the other thousands of accounts.. It's funny being banned every week isn't it ? :icon_yawn:

De qué coño hablas moro?

[Ibericus]

De qué coño hablas moro?
Indio de mierda vuelve a la puta selva y dejar de tocar los cojones

[Lábaru]

Hostias, tenía yo razón entonces, es un suramericano jajajajaajajaaja.

[SeasonOfBloodTreason]

Indio de mierda vuelve a la puta selva y dejar de tocar los cojones

Amén, hermano! (o tal vez deba decir Allahu Ackbar??)

[SeasonOfBloodTreason]

Hostias, tenía yo razón entonces, es un suramericano jajajajaajajaaja.

Sudaméricano? Moro estúpido, yo soy Moldovano viviendo en Sevilla temporalmente y yo se perfectamente como lucen ustedes, a mí no me engañarás con tu mierda de llamarme Sudaca y otra cagada.

Regresa a Katal Hoyuk, por favor.

[Lábaru]

Sudaméricano? Moro estúpido, yo soy Moldovano viviendo en Sevilla temporalmente y yo se perfectamente como lucen ustedes, a mí no me engañarás con tu mierda de llamarme Sudaca y otra cagada.

¿Como lucen? como lusimos wey, querrás desir, panchito.

[SeasonOfBloodTreason]

¿Como lucen? como lusimos wey, querrás desir, panchito.

O tu querrás decir Allahu ackbar, moro?

[The Lawspeaker]

Come on Henry, do us all a favour: vete para la verga! Nick off !

[Korbis]

The amounts of bitter hate that spaniards can attract worldwide never stops amazing me. Maybe almost more than americans.

[Charles Martel]

The amounts of bitter hate that spaniards can attract worldwide never stops amazing me. Maybe almost more than americans.

The curse of the Moors that is why.

[perikolez]

Sudaméricano? Moro estúpido, yo soy Moldovano viviendo en Sevilla temporalmente y yo se perfectamente como lucen ustedes, a mí no me engañarás con tu mierda de llamarme Sudaca y otra cagada.

Regresa a Katal Hoyuk, por favor.

Lucir,y cagada en el sentido utilizado aqui como insulto, son terminos claramente utilizados en Sudamerica. En España a los naturales de Moldavia se les llama moldavos, no moldovanos. Como siempre los panchitos teniendo que intentar demostrar que los españoles son moros para intentar superar su complejo de inferioridad racial con respecto a los españoles o cualquier otro Europeo:D. Deberias ir de cara y no inventar historias.

[Falkata]

Joder, estoy de los Wilson Sanches hasta los cojones ya. Que gente más resentida. Se nota que el ser un enano marrón y horripilante con la cara esmagada afecta a su vida diaria causándole traumas de lo más profundo.

"Como lusen ustedes wey , yo soy moldovano" :D Joder, es que no son ni medio inteligentes, menudo retrasado.

[Korbis]

Everytime I witness this kind of behaviour I wonder which kind of hater could it be now, so far we have this options:


-A frustrated south american mongrel/indian.

-A frustrated negro from one of the former ex colonies.

-A frustrated negro living in europe/america who didnt enjoy the monkey chants that black british soccer players suffered in spanish stadiums.

-An asian upset because of the slant eyes gesture the spanish basketball team did when they posed for a photo in China.

-A Greenpeace faggot who hates bullfighting and all kind of animal abuse.

-A fellow northern european who doesnt have nothing better to do (normally they dont care for the spanish enough to hate them).

-A spanish guy with too much free time and an unbounded sense of humour.


Just choose one of the above.

[Raikaswinþs]

I'm surprised that they have the poor sense to have a Moroccan-born man be the 'Face of the Party'.

One would think they would appoint a native with local ancestry [convert] to be the visible "leader", like they do in Germany (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyub_Axel_K%C3%B6hler) :yuck:

maybe because they are more interested in the foreign vote than in the local one... I shall research abit about this individuals, I am kind of mistrustfull by default when it comes to Spanish Political parties (not a single one so far that doesn't stink)

[Ibericus]

maybe because they are more interested in the foreign vote than in the local one... I shall research abit about this individuals, I am kind of mistrustfull by default when it comes to Spanish Political parties (not a single one so far that doesn't stink)
And you are also a troll, with that stupid towelhead in your avatar, and Al-Andalusi as your "ethnictiy" what the hell is wrong with you

[Raikaswinþs]

The amounts of bitter hate that spaniards can attract worldwide never stops amazing me. Maybe almost more than americans.

and still around the world I am yet to find a place were I haven't been welcome as a Spaniard (most of the times, the mere "being spanish" thing has brought me rapid cheers and smiles)

Sure, some people hate us, some bitter trolls. we also have quite a lot of haters and trolls in Spain. But on the average I'd say that we are a well liked people.

(I speak only from my experience)

[The Lawspeaker]

maybe because they are more interested in the foreign vote than in the local one... I shall research abit about this individuals, I am kind of mistrustfull by default when it comes to Spanish Political parties (not a single one so far that doesn't stink)
One would be silly not to be mistrustful of political parties and politicians period. Regardless of their nationality.

[Bobby Martnen]

Where's Santiago Matamoros when you need him?

[Teutone]

Where's Santiago Matamoros when you need him?

This thread is 8years old whats the matter with you