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The Lawspeaker
03-06-2010, 11:44 PM
Iceland rejects Icesave repayment deal (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2551a7e6-2937-11df-972b-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1)


Icelanders voted overwhelmingly on Saturday to reject a €3.9bn debt repayment deal with Britain and the Netherlands in a move that threatens to derail international support for the country’s crisis-hit economy.

With half the vote counted 93.6 per cent voted against the plan to reimburse money lost by British and Dutch depositors in the failed Icesave bank when Iceland’s banking sector collapsed in 2008.

Only 1.5 per cent supported the deal, with another 4.8 per cent casting empty or spoilt ballots.
The resounding rejection reflected deep public anger over a deal which critics said would punish taxpayers for the mistakes of bankers and regulators and pile more debts on a country of 320,000 people struggling to rebuild its shattered economy.

The outcome will force the three countries back to the negotiating table after more than a year of abortive efforts to solve a dispute that has held up crucial loans from the International Monetary Fund and cast a cloud over Reykjavik’s bid to join the European Union.
Jóhanna Sigurdardóttir (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d7c451d4-286b-11df-9f8f-00144feabdc0.html), prime minister, said the government remained committed to repaying the Icesave debt and vowed to continue talks with Britain and the Netherlands to find a compromise.

Össur Skarphédinsson, foreign minister, urged the two countries to heed the “strong cry of defiance” delivered by Icelanders and agree to soften the terms of repayment.

While the outcome had long been a foregone conclusion, many voters appeared to relish the chance to vent anger against a deal that would lumber every Icelandic household with a debt equivalent to €48,000.
“I voted no because it is a bad deal for Iceland,” said August Kalsson, a 50 year-old therapist after casting his ballot in Reykjavik city hall. “We should pay our debts but responsibility should be shared more equally between the three countries because it was not all our fault.”

Rejection of the deal had been all but certain from the moment Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, Iceland’s president, triggered the referendum in January by refusing to sign legislation backing an agreement struck with the UK and Dutch governments last year. More than a quarter of the population had signed a petition urging the veto.

The result represented a rebuke for Iceland’s centre-left ruling coalition, which agreed the deal last year and has staked its credibility on resolving the Icesave dispute. But the government distanced itself from the legislation ahead of the referendum (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f605af94-27b2-11df-863d-00144feabdc0.html) in a bid to limit the political damage and entered fresh talks with its UK and Dutch counterparts in search of a better deal.

Mr Skarphédinsson said the result was no surprise because the legislation being voted on had already been superseded by a recent offer by Britain and Netherlands to lower the 5.5 per cent interest rate.
Some analysts had predicted that a no vote could cause the government to collapse. But Ms Sigurdardóttir said she had no intention of stepping down and there was no immediate sign of opposition parties mounting a push to oust the government.

Turnout remained unclear late on Saturday but officials said the figure was much lower than the 85 per cent participation in last April’s parliamentary election.

Stefan Cilia, a 29 year-old computer programmer was among the minority who voted yes to the bill. “Not because I think it is a fair deal but to send a message that this should have been over and done with a long time ago,” he said, explaining his vote. “The entire government has been tied up with Icesave for a year and a half and nothing else is getting done. There are more important challenges to focus on.”

Ms Sigurdardóttir said negotiations with Britain and the Netherlands were likely to resume next week and voiced confidence that a compromise was within reach after the recent narrowing of differences.

There was little immediate sign of accommodation from the Netherlands on Saturday as the country’s foreign minister made clear that failure to resolve the dispute could sour Dutch attitudes towards Iceland’s application to join the EU.“This issue will be part of our considerations when deciding about the opening of accession negotiations with Iceland,” Maxime Verhagen told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of European foreign ministers in Cordoba, Spain.

Iceland applied to join the EU last year and the European Commission recommended the go ahead for accession talks earlier this month. But support is needed from all 27 member states for a new country to join.
Roughly 400,000 British and Dutch customers deposited money with Icesave, the online arm of Reykjavik-based Landsbanki, attracted by market-beating interest rates as the troubled Icelandic banking sector sought foreign deposits to shore up its over-stretched balance sheets.

The British and Dutch depositors were compensated through each country’s bank deposit guarantee schemes after Icesave collapsed in October 2008 and the two governments are now seeking to reclaim the money from Iceland.

Up to 90 per cent of the money owed could be covered by the sale of assets salvaged from Landsbanki, the collapsed owner of Icesave. But Britain and the Netherlands want Reykjavik to provide a sovereign guarantee to pay any shortfall.

Ms Sigurdardóttir said Iceland was the victim of “faulty regulation” in the European Union, having been bound as a member of the European Economic Area to rules on cross-border bank deposit guarantees that were not designed to cope with systemic collapse of an entire banking system. She said Iceland had never accepted its legal obligation to provide a sovereign guarantee to repay the money, but had agreed to do so in order to resolve the dispute.

“Icelanders are proud people who wish to shoulder their obligations,” she said. “But the commitments must be fair, reasonable and normal.”

The Financial Times (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2551a7e6-2937-11df-972b-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1)
March 6, 2010

Wulfhere
03-06-2010, 11:55 PM
Judging by the looks of people like Bjork, it is evidence that the Icelanders have a Mongoloid element in their blood. Whether this comes from the Finns on one side, or the Greenlanders on the other, I don't know.

Treffie
03-07-2010, 12:07 AM
Judging by the looks of people like Bjork, it is evidence that the Icelanders have a Mongoloid element in their blood. Whether this comes from the Finns on one side, or the Greenlanders on the other, I don't know.

Neither Finns or Greenlanders make up the ancestral background of Iceland - it's predominantly Norse and Celtic - quite similar to us Brits.

Wulfhere
03-07-2010, 12:10 AM
Neither Finns or Greenlanders make up the ancestral background of Iceland - it's predominantly Norse and Celtic - quite similar to us Brits.

So we are told. But, as I said, looking at people like Bjork indicates a Mongoloid presence too. Whether this comes from Finnish slaves imported by the Norse, or Eskimos from Greenland, I don't know.

Treffie
03-07-2010, 12:14 AM
So we are told. But, as I said, looking at people like Bjork indicates a Mongoloid presence too. Whether this comes from Finnish slaves imported by the Norse, or Eskimos from Greenland, I don't know.

Ever been to Iceland? Let's just say you'll be hard pressed to find someone else who looks like her there.

Wulfhere
03-07-2010, 12:17 AM
Ever been to Iceland? Let's just say you'll be hard pressed to find someone else who looks like her there.

Does she have known, recent non-Icelandic ancestry?

Treffie
03-07-2010, 12:20 AM
Does she have known, recent non-Icelandic ancestry?

No idea, but one thing's for certain - she's a favourite on race fora. I think I've lost count at how many times her features have been discussed. :rolleyes:

The Lawspeaker
03-07-2010, 01:10 AM
As far as I know this is a thread about Economics... and of course politics.

Óttar
03-07-2010, 11:54 PM
"Icesave?" What a stupid-ass name. Shows what our collective culture has degenerated into when they can't come up with anything better than a third rate Orwellian commercial catchphrase.

poiuytrewq0987
03-08-2010, 12:11 AM
So we are told. But, as I said, looking at people like Bjork indicates a Mongoloid presence too. Whether this comes from Finnish slaves imported by the Norse, or Eskimos from Greenland, I don't know.

Right, because one person represents a population of 300,000.

Stefan
03-08-2010, 12:20 AM
Judging by the looks of people like Bjork, it is evidence that the Icelanders have a Mongoloid element in their blood. Whether this comes from the Finns on one side, or the Greenlanders on the other, I don't know.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0802/delusional-demotivational-poster-1203725305.jpg

I find it odd how every thread you post in is derailed to off topic discussion. You'll make a good troll, that is in the unlikely chance you aren't one already.

SwordoftheVistula
03-08-2010, 12:50 AM
I don't see why the government of Iceland should be responsible for people who made bad investments. If a country that had until a few years ago been a small fishing island all of a sudden has 'massive' banks offering above market rates, that should have been a warning sign that there's a good chance something dodgy is going on, so it is the fault of the people who invested in these dodgy banks.

Lulletje Rozewater
03-08-2010, 12:53 AM
As far as I know this is a thread about Economics... and of course politics.

lol Mongolid do look scew at money

Agrippa
03-08-2010, 01:11 AM
Mr Skarphédinsson said the result was no surprise because the legislation being voted on had already been superseded by a recent offer by Britain and Netherlands to lower the 5.5 per cent interest rate.

Oh, thats very generous, I just wonder how glad the people of Iceland will be to hear that. :wink

So they just have to pay forever, for nothing, but with just 5,5 per cent interest rate. Liberalcapitalism is so great and Britain a fair country, with all its "offshore banks" and Neoliberal pressure on the rest of Europe and the world. Simple put, Britain wanted to get rid of the "Viking bankers" as competitors.

Obviously, the people of Iceland are not innocent, especially those which participated in the business, but most citizens are victims already, lost too much themselves, many with foreign currency loans which ruined their business, make their houses unpayable etc., now they have to pay for irresponsible bankers, the international manipulation, coming from outside and all of that with a "nice interest rate"...

Really, if they would have voted for that, they must be braindead.

But its still Iceland, they did vote, in most other European countries the government would have done it anyway - without a vote.

Pallantides
03-08-2010, 01:24 AM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xln0k_gus-gus-ladyshave_music

SwordoftheVistula
03-08-2010, 04:40 AM
...capitalism ...

This is a socialist program, not a capitalist one. The capitalist solution would have been to let the undercapitalized bank go down the the investors take the loss, but because of socialist programs in the UK and Netherlands bailing out the investors, now they are trying to pass the bill to the Icelandic government, which they blame 'lack of regulation'

Rainraven
03-08-2010, 08:50 AM
"Icesave?" What a stupid-ass name. Shows what our collective culture has degenerated into when they can't come up with anything better than a third rate Orwellian commercial catchphrase.

Hey we have Kiwisaver here in New Zealand! It's all about saving for a first home :cool:

RoyBatty
03-08-2010, 10:07 AM
The collapse of Iceland's banking system was beyond their control. One could argue that they were foolish to imagine themselves as a nation of bankers without the economic and financial means to ride out storms but ultimately Iceland fell victim to financial corruption originating in the USA. They were naive and got roped into participating in a massive global con perpetuated by Wall Street.

Saddling the population of such a small nation with these kinds of debts at a ridiculous interest rate of 5.5% doesn't seem fair to me. Those who should be coughing up for Iceland and the rest of the world's losses are the Internationalist Parasites and Corporations who made a fortune out of this corrupt system in the first place.

Druantia
03-11-2010, 10:52 PM
Obviously, the people of Iceland are not innocent, especially those which participated in the business, but most citizens are victims already, lost too much themselves, many with foreign currency loans which ruined their business, make their houses unpayable etc., now they have to pay for irresponsible bankers, the international manipulation, coming from outside and all of that with a "nice interest rate"...

Really, if they would have voted for that, they must be braindead.

But its still Iceland, they did vote, in most other European countries the government would have done it anyway - without a vote.

€48,000. is a horrific debt for each and ever countryman to be lumped with, know wonder that they rejected it. can't see why anyone in their right mind would except it. nice to see a real democratic voting system in work for a change rather then parliamentary one where politicians just nod their slimmy little heads and say "i know you voted for this, but we think that what we want would be much better for you".

poiuytrewq0987
03-12-2010, 12:30 AM
€48,000. is a horrific debt for each and ever countryman to be lumped with, know wonder that they rejected it. can't see why anyone in their right mind would except it. nice to see a real democratic voting system in work for a change rather then parliamentary one where politicians just nod their slimmy little heads and say "i know you voted for this, but we think that what we want would be much better for you".

It means the UK will now have to invade Iceland to get its money back... maybe annex Iceland in the process. :D :p

Beorn
03-12-2010, 12:37 AM
I'm sure the Scottish will be happy with the taking of 1 child out of every 10 to send down the oil wells as compensation instead.