Remember Odessa: Protesters across Europe recall May 2 massacre

[Loki]

Remember Odessa: Protesters across Europe recall May 2 massacre (http://rt.com/news/184612-europe-remember-odessa-massacre/)

People across Europe held protests in memory of the May 2 tragedy in the Ukrainian city of Odessa, in which nearly 50 anti-government activists died in a building set ablaze by radicals. Hundreds in Odessa decried the lack of justice for the victims.

Marches and pickets took place across major European cities, including Riga, London, Berlin, Rome, Dublin, Zurich, Madrid, Barcelona, Vienna, and Lisbon.

In the Latvian capital of Riga, around 200 people came out to remember the victims. The demonstrators gathered in front of the Ukrainian embassy and carried black balloons which read, “Never again” and “Remember Odessa.”

The protesters called for a fair investigation, as well as for an unbiased perception of the crisis in eastern Ukraine from Latvia’s government.

“We expect a change of rhetoric from the Latvian authorities. They should stop repeating propaganda clichés taken from Ukrainian news agencies and be more restrained in their behavior in this regard,” said Miroslav Mitrofanov, co-chairman of the Russian Union of Latvia.

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Riga residents welcomed the march, Mitrofanov added. “Bystanders joined in, cars honked in support. We felt welcomed and supported,” he said.

In Denmark, around 25 people came out to the streets of Copenhagen to commemorate the victims.

“We have a mixed company – Ukrainians, Russians, Latvians, and others. Danes are also among us, they are very active,”Svetlana Mostovaya, a board member of the Danish-Russian dialogue group, said.


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In London, activists signed a petition addressed to the Ukrainian embassy, calling for a thorough investigation of what happened in Odessa on May 2.

Meanwhile, in Rome, activists proceeded with an unsanctioned protest after failing to receive a permit from local authorities, organizer Sergey Seregin said.

“We were around 20 people in total, including both immigrants and Italians. Kids took part in the action. Everything was peaceful,” he added.

More than a dozen activists came out in Zurich, holding black balloons.

Earlier on Saturday, an international photo exhibit titled 'Odessa Massacre,' which conveys the events of May 2, was shown in Frankfurt, Germany as 500 people gathered to protest the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s (NATO's) policies.

The exhibit had also been shown in Belgium, Spain, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and India.

Odessa demands justice

Meanwhile, 400 people came out in Odessa to remember the massacre and demonstrate against the lack of actions on behalf of local authorities to bring the perpetrators to justice.

The protesters carried signs stating: “We remember – We won’t forgive.” People lit candles and released black balloons which read “Remember Odessa” into the air to commemorate the victims of the massacre.

“The investigation has been ongoing for four months, without any results. Those responsible are being let go, while the innocent people are being locked up in prisons. Odessa’s people do not agree with this,” the organizer of the Voice of Odessa group, Svetlana Naboka, told RIA Novosti.

According to the activist, local police attempted to prevent the protesters’ voices from being heard, removing a loudspeaker used by them. This caused a brief confrontation with officers, who she claimed beat some of the activists attempting to block a police vehicle carrying the equipment away. The protest, however, went on peacefully.

“We want to show that people should not be afraid no matter what,” Naboka said.

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According to the activist, local police attempted to prevent the protesters’ voices from being heard, removing a loudspeaker used by them. This caused a brief confrontation with officers, who she claimed beat some of the activists attempting to block a police vehicle carrying the equipment away. The protest, however, went on peacefully.

“We want to show that people should not be afraid no matter what,” Naboka said.

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On May 2, violent clashes erupted in Odessa between rival rallies of anti-government protesters and radicals supporting the coup-imposed Kiev government.

The confrontation led to a tragedy that left some 50 people dead and about 250 injured, as nationalists burnt a protester camp and then set fire to the Trade Unions House with anti-Kiev activists trapped inside.

The actual death toll could be much higher, as many of those who managed to escape the flames were then either strangled or beaten with bats by radicals, according to numerous witness reports.

[Methmatician]

So they want an unbiased view on what's going on in Ukraine but they're calling the Ukrainians "Nazis"? Just sounds like more propaganda to me.

[Loki]

So they want an unbiased view on what's going on in Ukraine but they're calling the Ukrainians "Nazis"? Just sounds like more propaganda to me.

They're not calling all Ukrainians Nazis.

[Methmatician]

They're not calling all Ukrainians Nazis.
They're chanting an end to Fascism in Ukraine (which there is none) and to stop the Nazis (referring to the Ukrainian Army and government). And in the video you can see the guy in the red shirt is implying that someone other than Russia is trying to destabilise Ukraine in an attempt to destroy Russia. It's pretty clear paranoia being supported by pro-separatist propaganda.

[Loki]

And in the video you can see the guy in the red shirt is implying that someone other than Russia is trying to destabilise Ukraine in an attempt to destroy Russia.

That's not too far from the truth.

[Methmatician]

That's not too far from the truth.
I don't think so. There's evidence of Russian involvement despite Putin's statements. However, I don't see any NATO troops inside Ukraine.

[Loki]

I don't think so. There's evidence of Russian involvement despite Putin's statements. However, I don't see any NATO troops inside Ukraine.

I'm referring to the crisis as a whole - which started off with a coup d'etat, supported and encouraged Washington. NATO is acting aggressively, and the US is also exaggerating Russia's role as the 'bad guy' just in order to slap more sanctions on Russia in order to weaken the country. In fact, I would go as far as to say that America would really like for Russia to do 'wrong things', because then they can continue with their anti-Russian agenda. America wants a weak Russia.

[Zmey Gorynych]

They're chanting an end to Fascism in Ukraine (which there is none) and to stop the Nazis (referring to the Ukrainian Army and government). And in the video you can see the guy in the red shirt is implying that someone other than Russia is trying to destabilise Ukraine in an attempt to destroy Russia. It's pretty clear paranoia being supported by pro-separatist propaganda.
"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep." It's like those lines were written with the russians in mind. You should see what's going on with the social media in Russia. They call the ucrainians ukry, creating the association with ogre. Nazi is evidently the standard term for ukrainian these days. Pictures of mutilated people and animals followed by "look what ukry are doing"

This reminds me of something that happened during the transnistrian war. Russians killed a moldovan and crucified him and bellow the picture that they took wrote "look what moldovans are doing to our boys" ...

[Loki]

"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep." It's like those lines were written with the russians in mind. You should see what's going on with the social media in Russia. They call the ucrainians ukry, creating the associations with ogre. Nazi is evidently the standard term for ukrainian these days. Pictures of mutilated people and animals followed by "look what ukry are doing"

Thanks for enriching my vocabulary :D

[Methmatician]

"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep." It's like those lines were written with the russians in mind. You should see what's going on with the social media in Russia. They call the ucrainians ukry, creating the associations with ogre. Nazi is evidently the standard term for ukrainian these days. Pictures of mutilated people and animals followed by "look what ukry are doing"
That's a shame. I remember someone posted an article on here that said Russia is winning the propaganda war. The Russian government has paid people to scour the internet for anything anti-Russian and bombard it with pro-Russian sentiment. I think the same is happening with the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

[VictriX]

" You should see what's going on with the social media in Russia. They call the ucrainians ukry, creating the association with ogre. .
What? O_o!
But, please, at least, some proof )

[Zmey Gorynych]

That's a shame. I remember someone posted an article on here that said Russia is winning the propaganda war. The Russian government has paid people to scour the internet for anything anti-Russian and bombard it with pro-Russian sentiment. I think the same is happening with the conflict in eastern Ukraine.
Propaganda war is sometimes more important than the actual war. Reports say that russian soldiers are unwilling to fight in Ukraine so a little nudge is necessary. Imagine Vanya who hasn't read a single book in his life seing all sort of news on the tele about ukrainian ogres eating children for breakfast :coffee:


What? O_o!
But, please, at least, some proof )
https://vk.com/geroi_ugo_vostoka here you go ... and a picture from that profile, what do they remind you of !?

https://pp.vk.me/c620721/v620721602/17f3a/A_NjYGyS4TQ.jpg


Эту старенькую, хроменькую лошадку, которая катала деток в Миусинске укры расстреляли в упор....И вот она так и лежала на поле полусгоревшая...Зачем?

[VictriX]

That's a shame. I remember someone posted an article on here that said Russia is winning the propaganda war. The Russian government has paid people to scour the internet for anything anti-Russian and bombard it with pro-Russian sentiment. I think the same is happening with the conflict in eastern Ukraine.
If your relatives kept on calling you since the last October, promising you to stab you and cut off your head or rip your guts because you have "dirty blood" and mix with the Tatars, what would you say then?

[Methmatician]

Propaganda war is sometimes more important than the actual war. Reports say that russian soldiers are unwilling to fight in Ukraine so a little nudge is necessary. Imagine Vanya who hasn't read a single book in his life seing all sort of news on the tele about ukrainian ogres eating children for breakfast :coffee:
A Russian told me that the middle-class and intelligentsia are against the war but the majority of Russians are too patriotic to consider that their government might be lying to them. And I heard that Russian cultural figures have signed a letter to Putin expressing their discontent with the current situation in Ukraine and Russia. Unfortunately more people are aware of the propaganda than this.

[glass]

I don't think so. There's evidence of Russian involvement despite Putin's statements. However, I don't see any NATO troops inside Ukraine.
there is some "talkings" with russian military officers (who returned from Ukraine) exposed 2 days ago, according to them there are americans by ukrainian side. For example, americans are responsible for radio jamming. Not sure if those recordings are trustworthy though. On spring there were 2 american drones sliced while they were patroling crimean sky.

[Methmatician]

there is some "talkings" with russian military officers (who returned from Ukraine) exposed 2 days ago, according to them there are americans by ukrainian side.
There's apparently some people from a private security firm based in the US that are there but that's not NATO involvement. It's like when people volunteer to go to Syria; they're not representing their country.

For example, americans are responsible for radio jamming.
Really? Because apparently a Russian radio jamming unit was seen crossing into the Rostov region in eastern Ukraine. I haven't heard of American radio jammers though.

On spring there were 2 american drones sliced while they were patroling crimean sky.
Russian media claimed they shot down a twin-engine drone over Crimea but the US doesn't have any twin-engine drones so it's a fake article. The original article has since been deleted by the way.

[Sandman]

"Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep." It's like those lines were written with the russians in mind. You should see what's going on with the social media in Russia. They call the ucrainians ukry, creating the association with ogre. Nazi is evidently the standard term for ukrainian these days. Pictures of mutilated people and animals followed by "look what ukry are doing"

This reminds me of something that happened during the transnistrian war. Russians killed a moldovan and crucified him and bellow the picture that they took wrote "look what moldovans are doing to our boys" ...
Now the similarity with Serbo-Croatian conflict. Serbs also called Croat fascists then. 20 years after these events, "fascist" Croatia is in the European Union.
Serbia also knocking on the door of the Union.

[Virtuous]

So they want an unbiased view on what's going on in Ukraine but they're calling the Ukrainians "Nazis"? Just sounds like more propaganda to me.

They are just trying to portray a bunch of Neo-Nazi Banderists led by Jewish oligarchs and NATO as genuine NationalSocialists. In doing so they (the Germans) are also trying to redeem themselves for sins that they never committed and never existed.

What a hell of a mess we find ourselves in.

[glass]

There's apparently some people from a private security firm based in the US that are there but that's not NATO involvement.

why volunteers from Russia is surely personal Putin's involvement?:rolleyes:

[Methmatician]

why volunteers from Russia is surely personal Putin's involvement?:rolleyes:
Not all are volunteers. And Putin admitted that those unidentified soldiers in Ukraine were in fact Russian after the referendum. Then you have the military equipment that has been seen entering Ukraine from Russia.

[Sarmatian]

There's evidence of Russian involvement despite Putin's statements.

I'm quite sick and tired of imbeciles repeating that shit over and over again without any proof whatsoever. Give me links to verifiable sources that can confirm that statement of yours or you're just another zombified wannabe westerner.

[Sarmatian]

You should see what's going on with the social media in Russia. They call the ucrainians ukry, creating the association with ogre.

You should know that term 'ukr' was invented years ago by some Ukrainian 'scientist'. In his book he was trying to prove that name Ukrainians have nothing to do with Slavic word 'okraina' but comes from some ancient tribe of Great Ukrs. That's where a real paranoia taking place, they really going insane over a fact their identity is based on being someone's borderland.

[Methmatician]

I'm quite sick and tired of imbeciles repeating that shit over and over again without any proof whatsoever. Give me links to verifiable sources that can confirm that statement of yours or you're just another zombified wannabe westerner.

Putin admits that the unidentified soldiers in Crimea were Russian. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhC66DR4BVw)
Russian 'humanitarian aid' illegally crosses into the separatist controlled areas of Ukraine. (http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Kyiv+calls+Russian+convoy+direct+invasion/10143121/story.html)
Russian military vehicles entering Ukraine. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html)
Russian soldiers captured and videotaped in Ukraine. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/world/europe/ukraine.html)
Unidentified soldiers wearing the same uniform and equipment as those found on the Russian soldiers in Crimea are seen in Eastern Ukraine. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-fighters-idUSKBN0GQ1X520140826?irpc=932)

[Shkembe Chorba]

Putin admits that the unidentified soldiers in Crimea were Russian. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhC66DR4BVw)
Russian 'humanitarian aid' illegally crosses into the separatist controlled areas of Ukraine. (http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Kyiv+calls+Russian+convoy+direct+invasion/10143121/story.html)
Russian military vehicles entering Ukraine. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html)
Russian soldiers captured and videotaped in Ukraine. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/world/europe/ukraine.html)
Unidentified soldiers wearing the same uniform and equipment as those found on the Russian soldiers in Crimea are seen in Eastern Ukraine. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-fighters-idUSKBN0GQ1X520140826?irpc=932)
Kind of very difficult to prove your point to them. They hear no other words than the Tzar's.

inb4, "Reuters and NY Times are Jew-paid Mason organization which provoke the large anti Rassiya war in Ukraine and therefore they are unreliable source of information, so there isnt a single Russian soldier ever crossed the border for those 5 months. Also, YouTube is another Jew-paid Mason organization, thats why I dont believe in video too."

[Rugevit]

They call the ucrainians ukry, creating the association with ogre.

U-krain-cy – 'u' is prefix, 'krain' is the root of the word, while 'cy' is postfix. Ukraina has a clear morphology and semantics in every Slavic language, but not according to some Ukrainian revisionists. According to some Ukrainian revisions the root of the word is 'Ukr' and there was ancient people 'Ukry'. The Russians picked it up. Leading linguist Andrei Zalizniak in one of his lectures on creative linguistics discussed it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvUb27xh5Y

[VictriX]

Now the similarity with Serbo-Croatian conflict. Serbs also called Croat fascists then. 20 years after these events, "fascist" Croatia is in the European Union.
Serbia also knocking on the door of the Union.

Some country, which are in the EU, organise SS-marches.

[VictriX]

You should know that term 'ukr' was invented years ago by some Ukrainian 'scientist'. In his book he was trying to prove that name Ukrainians have nothing to do with Slavic word 'okraina' but comes from some ancient tribe of Great Ukrs. That's where a real paranoia taking place, they really going insane over a fact their identity is based on being someone's borderland.

Jesus Christ was born in the USA :)

[Óttar]

What makes these Neo-Soviets think they're any better than Nazis? Putin admitted he was disappointed to see the Soviet Union fall and wants to restore it. The "Spartacist" Communist table at my university is calling pro-Ukraine EU forces "fascist" when they don't have a proper notion of what fascism actually means. "Fascism" as the word is used by commies is just an intellectually bankrupt catch-all term for any group commies don't like.

[Sarmatian]

Putin admits that the unidentified soldiers in Crimea were Russian. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhC66DR4BVw)

Russian military in Crimea and Russian military in Donbass are two unrelated matters.


Russian 'humanitarian aid' illegally crosses into the separatist controlled areas of Ukraine. (http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Kyiv+calls+Russian+convoy+direct+invasion/10143121/story.html)

Ukraine's government agreed to let convoy in at first but later started playing some political shit around it. In any case humanitarian convoy has nothing to do with presence of Russian military at Donbass.


Russian military vehicles entering Ukraine. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html)

I'm failing to see any proof. All I see is speculations of some nobody with no name and no evidence to show.


Russian soldiers captured and videotaped in Ukraine. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/world/europe/ukraine.html)

It's been confirmed those few Russian paratroopers simply lost at night and crossed the border by accident. Since the border is not marked in any way it's an easy mistake to do. So far it's the only confirmed case of Russian military getting in contact with Ukrainian military and it was clear from the start both sides were quite surprised and confused about how it all happened.


Unidentified soldiers wearing the same uniform and equipment as those found on the Russian soldiers in Crimea are seen in Eastern Ukraine. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-fighters-idUSKBN0GQ1X520140826?irpc=932)

Same speculations as before. Someone making some claims with no real evidence shown. Talks about uniform are retarded, anyone can buy it an a military store. Even more retarded are references to some 'Russian accent'. The entire Russian south speaks dialect closer to Ukrainian language than Russians of Donbass.

[Sarmatian]

Putin admitted he was disappointed to see the Soviet Union fall and wants to restore it.

Another imbecile started talking. Can you provide records where he said it?

I'm only aware of the following 'Тот, кто не жалеет о разрушении Советского Союза, у того нет сердца, а тот, кто хочет его воссоздания, у того нет головы' which means 'The one who doesn't regret fall of Soviet Union has no heart but the one who want it back have no brain'.

[PowerControls]

Russian military in Crimea and Russian military in Donbass are two unrelated matters.



Ukraine's government agreed to let convoy in at first but later started playing some political shit around it. In any case humanitarian convoy has nothing to do with presence of Russian military at Donbass.



I'm failing to see any proof. All I see is speculations of some nobody with no name and no evidence to show.



It's been confirmed those few Russian paratroopers simply lost at night and crossed the border by accident. Since the border is not marked in any way it's an easy mistake to do. So far it's the only confirmed case of Russian military getting in contact with Ukrainian military and it was clear from the start both sides were quite surprised and confused about how it all happened.



Same speculations as before. Someone making some claims with no real evidence shown. Talks about uniform are retarded, anyone can buy it an a military store. Even more retarded are references to some 'Russian accent'. The entire Russian south speaks dialect closer to Ukrainian language than Russians of Donbass.

Can you please prove all your statements from the above post?

[PowerControls]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/to-understand-putin-read-orwell-110551_Page2.html#.VAl_Yvl_urN

[epirot]

I have read that 4 of the prostitutes who made those molotov coctails for the NAZIs to use in Odessa's building were found dead. I wish their death was full of agony and pain, but i doubt it.