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Loki
09-06-2014, 07:21 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Mongols-map.png

This map shows the boundary of 13th century Mongol Empire compared to today's Mongols. The red area shows where the majority of Mongolian speakers reside today.

Interesting, I didn't know about that spot in southern Russia where Mongols live.

Bloodnigger
09-06-2014, 07:23 PM
What are mongols doing in the central chinese plain?

Shah-Jehan
09-06-2014, 07:23 PM
The Kalmyks live in the Astrakhan area you're talking about.

Rudel
09-06-2014, 07:29 PM
What are mongols doing in the central chinese plain?
Raping their daughter and restoring the Yuan dynasty ?

blogen
09-06-2014, 07:30 PM
Interesting, I didn't know about that spot in southern Russia where Mongols live.

Kalmyks.

Bloodnigger
09-06-2014, 07:33 PM
Raping their daughter and restoring the Yuan dynasty ?

Disgusting.

Ming or Qing, North Sinid master race.

templumForasticus
09-06-2014, 07:35 PM
What are mongols doing in the central chinese plain?

Mongolia is divided in two parts. Northern part is a sovereign country.

Bloodnigger
09-06-2014, 07:40 PM
Mongolia is divided in two parts. Northern part is a sovereign country.

I meant the red fingerprint near Nanjing.

zhaoyun
09-08-2014, 07:52 AM
What are mongols doing in the central chinese plain?

Good question. I have no idea what that dot in Henan Province is, it may be a sub-group of the Mongols. Not specifically ethnic Mongol, but a branch, like the Dongxiang in Gansu province.

Visitor_22
09-08-2014, 08:01 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Mongols-map.png

This map shows the boundary of 13th century Mongol Empire compared to today's Mongols. The red area shows where the majority of Mongolian speakers reside today.

Interesting, I didn't know about that spot in southern Russia where Mongols live.


That's kalmyk mongols who are descendents of oirats/jungars.

Visitor_22
09-08-2014, 08:03 AM
Mongolia is divided in two parts. Northern part is a sovereign country.

Actually you can also say into three parts: Inner Mongolia (Southern), Mongolia (Central) and Buryatia (Northern).

Visitor_22
09-08-2014, 08:04 AM
Another picture of mongolic speaking people (better one):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Linguistic_map_of_the_Mongolic_languages.png/1024px-Linguistic_map_of_the_Mongolic_languages.png

peterselva
09-08-2014, 08:10 AM
Mongols probably delayed the advancements of this world by a few decades because of the total destruction of mighty classic civilizations like China, Middle East.
They helped in containing Chinese overpopulation problem to some extent.
I wish they did the same favor to India :(

Anglojew
09-08-2014, 10:26 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Mongols-map.png

This map shows the boundary of 13th century Mongol Empire compared to today's Mongols. The red area shows where the majority of Mongolian speakers reside today.

Interesting, I didn't know about that spot in southern Russia where Mongols live.

The Mongol descended Kalmyks in Europe are also Buddhists. Not many people realise there's a Buddhist state in Europe:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Europe_religion_map_en.png

Dombra
09-08-2014, 10:29 AM
Is Mongolic a better word when it comes to the different tribes?

Visitor_22
09-08-2014, 12:33 PM
Is Mongolic a better word when it comes to the different tribes?

I think yes. They all consider themselves as "Mongols".

Shah-Jehan
09-08-2014, 10:48 PM
Another picture of mongolic speaking people (better one):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Linguistic_map_of_the_Mongolic_languages.png/1024px-Linguistic_map_of_the_Mongolic_languages.png

What is this "Moghol" tribe? Hazaras would've counted but, they now speak a Persian dialect of their own, Hazaragi

Visitor_22
09-09-2014, 11:57 PM
What is this "Moghol" tribe? Hazaras would've counted but, they now speak a Persian dialect of their own, Hazaragi


They used to speak moghol language according to german scholar:





Moghol (or Mogholi) is a Mongolic language spoken in the region of Herat, Afghanistan, by a few members of the Hazara community.
In the 1970s, when the German scholar Michael Weiers did fieldwork on the language, few people spoke the language, most knew it passively and most were older than 40 years.



Weiers noted down the following poem by the Moghol poet Abd Al-Qadir.


Weiers' Moghol text:
Dotanamni dog baina
Hawoi ukini aimag baina
Nesoni ugunambi agar toni baiji
Mota giri qara qurgani baina.
Ekimni dard kina halmini geibe
Bemoor boljambi kam khormini geibe
Bemoor boljambi kam khormini khodai jaan
Ena bemoreztu parwoimini geibe.


Another Moghol poem or song of Abd Al-Qadir written in Arabic alphabet (from Weiers):


Weiers' Moghol text:
Argun-i kulkah utalat Cingiz kulkah ulu’at
Nirah-ci-du kulkah gahat ya gaut al-a’zam gar bari
Karyas-du-ci kibah nudun lar-i dazam iz abatun
Mun abd qadir gai urun ya gaut al-a’zam gar bari


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moghol_language

StonyArabia
01-08-2015, 02:49 AM
They forgot the Hazaras in Afghanistan who are also Mongols, though they have Iranic ancestry also, but most claim Mongol descent.

Leto
01-08-2015, 02:58 AM
They forgot the Hazaras in Afghanistan who are also Mongols, though they have Iranic ancestry also, but most claim Mongol descent.
I think many of them are Eurasian (caucasoid-admixed) and cannot pass in Mongolia.