Eurogenes ANE K7 - post your results

[Jusarius]

It's finally here - Eurogenes' ANE K7 calculator for determining the proportions of seven ancient components in your genome. The test is supposed to be particularly aimed at showing the amount of ANE ancestry, thus the name of the calculator. It will be available on Gedmatch at some point but David has already released the DiyDodecad files.

http://bga101.blogspot.nl/2014/09/eurogenes-ane-k7.html


My result:

20.85% ANE
2.60% ASE
67.65% WHG-UHG
8.18% East_Eurasian
0.02% West_African
0.61% East_African
0.08% ENF

So my ENF + African is only 0.71 % but my East Eurasian is about the double compared with West Finnish average. Also, my ANE is high.


Please post your results here!

[HellLander87]

me
10.55% ANE
1.26% ASE
42.57% WHG-UHG
0.82% East_Eurasian
0.28% West_African
0.07% East_African
44.45% ENF

uncle
10.98% ANE
0.95% ASE
46.40% WHG-UHG
0.79% East_Eurasian
0.03% West_African
0.00% East_African
40.84% ENF

[MfA_]

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------
17.69% ANE
3.73% ASE
8.80% WHG-UHG
0.16% East_Eurasian
0.09% West_African
0.51% East_African
69.01% ENF

[Equilibrium]

Me
Grandpa
Grandma


ANE
15.24%
14.73%
14.41%


ASE
3.53%
1.71%
1.36%


WHG-UHG
14.17%
8.50%
8.62%


East_Eurasian
3.68%
0.00%
0.00%


West_African
0.02%
0.00%
0.00%


East_African
0.00%
0.00%
0.00%


ENF
63.36%
75.05%
75.59%

[Fire Haired]

Can I email someone raw data so they can get results for me?

[Thrax]

11.56% ANE
1.19% ASE
39.85% WHG-UHG
0.49% East_Eurasian
0.19% West_African
0.00% East_African
46.72% ENF

[Jackson]

My results:
15.46% ANE
1.79% ASE
60.71% WHG-UHG
0.15% East_Eurasian
0.01% West_African
1.29% East_African
20.59% ENF

Paternal Grandfather:
16.16% ANE
2.00% ASE
63.97% WHG-UHG
0.08% East_Eurasian
0.10% West_African
0.33% East_African
17.36% ENF

Father:
14.91% ANE
2.11% ASE
64.21% WHG-UHG
0.30% East_Eurasian
0.31% West_African
0.14% East_African
18.02% ENF

Paternal Grandmother:
14.20% ANE
2.72% ASE
65.35% WHG-UHG
0.43% East_Eurasian
0.38% West_African
0.01% East_African
16.91% ENF

Mother:
15.87% ANE
1.87% ASE
59.74% WHG-UHG
0.01% East_Eurasian
0.02% West_African
1.05% East_African
21.43% ENF

Maternal Aunt:
15.21% ANE
1.74% ASE
62.90% WHG-UHG
0.63% East_Eurasian
0.07% West_African
0.57% East_African
18.88% ENF

[sonofthedutch]

ANE 20.62%
ASE 3.46%
WHG-UHG 46.98%
East_Eurasian 2.07%
West_African 0.65%
East_African -
ENF 26.22%

[JoeyGee8688]

From:http://bga101.blogspot.nl/2014/09/eurogenes-ane-k7.html

"Ancestral South Eurasian (ASE): this is a really basal cluster that peaks in tribal groups of Southeast Asia. It's probably very similar in some ways to the Ancestral South Indian (ASI) component described by Reich et al. a few years ago."

"Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer (WHG-UHG): this essentially looks like a West Eurasian forager component, and includes the forager-like stuff carried by Neolithic farmers (Oetzi the Iceman has 40% of it).

"Early Neolithic Farmer (ENF): I'd say that this is the component of the earliest Neolithic farmers from the Fertile Crescent.



ANE 18.42%
ASE 3.46%
WHG-UHG 39.25%
East_Eurasian 2.71%
West_African 0.56%
East_African -
ENF 35.60%

0.56% West African? Am I an African American now???

[Jackson]

The GEDmatch scores seem to be a bit different to the original DIY calculator ones, WHG is generally much lower, while ANE, ASE and ENF are inflated for Europeans.

[Aviator]

My results:
15.46% ANE
1.79% ASE
60.71% WHG-UHG
0.15% East_Eurasian
0.01% West_African
1.29% East_African
20.59% ENF


Where does the East African come from in an Englishman? Or is that just noise?

[Jackson]

Where does the East African come from in an Englishman? Or is that just noise?

Most likely just noise, it doesn't consistently show up across multiple calculators, and it's usually less. If it was real it would show up more consistently and it should show up on things at 23&me.
My mother is slightly more neolithic/near eastern than my father and pulls towards central Europe. It could just be that my Mum inherited more of those components as my aunt's results are quite normal, and they share the same ancestry. I haven't found any paper links outside the British Isles yet, but it's possible i have ancestry from somewhere on the mainland a bit further back.
My family in general are on the southern/southeastern borders of the British Isles genetically speaking.

[Gaita]

My results, 100% Galician

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/Mobile%20Uploads/A0F88299-4F63-4F05-B9C9-4AF30FD77A11_zpsxuujoqdu.png (http://s868.photobucket.com/user/galizacelta78/media/Mobile%20Uploads/A0F88299-4F63-4F05-B9C9-4AF30FD77A11_zpsxuujoqdu.png.html)[hr]My uncle's results, 100% Galician

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/Mobile%20Uploads/1291ED58-7B8B-4F04-AA03-9EB2CB565E8D_zpskpavukhz.png (http://s868.photobucket.com/user/galizacelta78/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1291ED58-7B8B-4F04-AA03-9EB2CB565E8D_zpskpavukhz.png.html)[hr]My friend's results, 75% Italian 25% Irish

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/Mobile%20Uploads/7D9F2F7D-25EE-4885-A7C0-6E6641A95E72_zpszujqbom4.png (http://s868.photobucket.com/user/galizacelta78/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7D9F2F7D-25EE-4885-A7C0-6E6641A95E72_zpszujqbom4.png.html)

[Sehnsucht]

Me

Population
ANE 20.81%
ASE 3.72%
WHG-UHG 46.33%
East_Eurasian 4.22%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 24.92%



My mother

Population
ANE 20.77%
ASE 4.03%
WHG-UHG 45.45%
East_Eurasian 3.74%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 26.01%


Maternal grandmother

Population
ANE 21.04%
ASE 3.58%
WHG-UHG 47.00%
East_Eurasian 2.73%
West_African 0.36%
East_African -
ENF 25.29%

Maternal aunt


Population
ANE 20.71%
ASE 4.18%
WHG-UHG 46.07%
East_Eurasian 2.69%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 26.33%

Maternal uncle

Population
ANE 17.83%
ASE 2.62%
WHG-UHG 54.79%
East_Eurasian 1.86%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 22.89%


Paternal grandfather
Population
ANE 18.24%
ASE 3.96%
WHG-UHG 56.66%
East_Eurasian 0.13%
West_African -
East_African 0.95%
ENF 20.05%

What do these mean? To me there just a bunch of meaningless codes

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Weird results. Must be in beta. Looks like its mixing West african with east african maybe

http://s27.postimg.org/4x8fvamlv/bandicam_2014_09_09_22_45_50_753.jpg

[Kale]

Weird results. Must be in beta. Looks like its mixing West african with east african maybe

I believe the creator said it is pretty much only useful for dtermining ANE levels at this point.

[Black Wolf]

The GEDmatch version of this test is not accurate. The results do not match up with the DIY version.

[safinator]

http://i.imgur.com/Sp9NPGs.jpg

[SSlava]

Judging from the post of Polako in Getmatch erroneous result.

It looks like the GEDmatch version of this test is way off for many people.

There's nothing I can do about that. You guys need to talk to John. \
my result in K9:

16.97% ANE
3.01% ASE
67.27% WHG-UHG
1.45% East_Eurasian
0.65% West_African
0.01% East_African
10.63% ENF

[Gaita]

Weird results. Must be in beta. Looks like its mixing West african with east african maybe

http://s27.postimg.org/4x8fvamlv/bandicam_2014_09_09_22_45_50_753.jpg

What part of South America or Latín America are you from?

[Albannach]

Me

ANE 21.93%
ASE 4.20%
WHG-UHG 47.78%
East_Eurasian 2.78%
ENF 23.31%

[Black Wolf]

Use the DIY version/files if you want accurate results.

[Jusarius]

Yeah, there's no point posting your K7 Gedmatch results now as it's fucked up.

[Jusarius]

Can I email someone raw data so they can get results for me?
I don't know if these are your uncle's or your results but here they are. Don't compare them with the latest posted results from Gedmatch.

14.42% ANE
0.56% ASE
52.28% WHG-UHG
4.42% East_Eurasian
0.77% West_African
3.06% East_African
24.50% ENF

[Jusarius]

I did the DIY Oracle for K7 that is only relevant for Finnish/Finnic people due to the limited amount of population results included. This is what I got:

1 Karelian @ 1,341926
2 Vepsa @ 1,674734
3 Finnish-East @ 2,843201
4 Finnish-Southwest @ 6,077127
5 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 7,181434
6 Estonian @ 7,661651
7 Russian-North @ 8,49786
8 Balt @ 9,868197
9 Russian-North-West @ 10,003284

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian+Karelian+Karelian+Vepsa @ 1,273848
2 Estonian+Karelian+Vepsa+Vepsa @ 1,287621
3 Estonian+Karelian+Karelian+Karelian @ 1,311289
4 Karelian+Karelian+Karelian+Karelian @ 1,341926
5 Finnish-East+Karelian+Karelian+Karelian @ 1,349376

This is not surprising as my father is from an area that is called Savo-Karelia.

[SSlava]

Paternal Grandfather:
16.16% ANE
2.00% ASE
63.97% WHG-UHG
0.08% East_Eurasian
0.10% West_African
0.33% East_African
17.36% ENF

Father:
14.91% ANE
2.11% ASE
64.21% WHG-UHG
0.30% East_Eurasian
0.31% West_African
0.14% East_African
18.02% ENF

Hmm, the results are generally similar to mine))
16.97% ANE
3.01% ASE
67.27% WHG-UHG
1.45% East_Eurasian
0.65% West_African
0.01% East_African
10.63% ENF
Significantly more only ENF.
But by the way, there are large clusters only, I think component WHG-YUNG is divided into Western and Eastern Europe, but it's not shown))


20.85% ANE
2.60% ASE
67.65% WHG-UHG
8.18% East_Eurasian
0.02% West_African
0.61% East_African
0.08% ENF
Hmm, the Finns are many components and ANE East_Eurasian.
Eastern Eurasia - a northern Mongoloids, if I'm not mistaken?))
I have this component of 1.45%, the British seem to be about 0.1-1 percent, The Germans have about 0,1-1 percent. Can traces of ancient migrations.

[gold_fenix]

ANE 8.70
ASE 0.58
WHG-UHG 54.85
East_Eurasian 1.15
West_African 0.81
East_African 2.03
ENF 31.88

[Jackson]

Hmm, the results are generally similar to mine))
16.97% ANE
3.01% ASE
67.27% WHG-UHG
1.45% East_Eurasian
0.65% West_African
0.01% East_African
10.63% ENF
Significantly more only ENF.
But by the way, there are large clusters only, I think component WHG-YUNG is divided into Western and Eastern Europe, but it's not shown))


Hmm, the Finns are many components and ANE East_Eurasian.
Eastern Eurasia - a northern Mongoloids, if I'm not mistaken?))
I have this component of 1.45%, the British seem to be about 0.1-1 percent, The Germans have about 0,1-1 percent. Can traces of ancient migrations.

Yeah this calculator seems to show the north-south divide more than the east-west one so i think you are right that the WHG-UHG component can be broken down into an east-west divide. On one of the PCA's on ABF forum (by EastPole i think) i was positioned (along with other NW Europeans), a little way directly west/southwest of the Russians, when other runs would show my family to be dominated by Atlantic & Northsea, and yours to be dominated by East Euro & Baltic.

Although judging by previous Fst distances i've seen for those components, those four north European components are quite closely related, but the North Sea & Atlantic (so the western European dominant parts of WHG-UHG i think) are basically more EEF/Mediterranean admixed.

It seems similar (but a bit more exclusive) to the Atlantic-Baltic component that i think Dodecad uses, must have picked up the same thing.

[gold_fenix]

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/Divad_Ocsarrac/table_zps9e1f06c9.png

[Black Wolf]

Mine. These are my DIY results as the GEDmatch version is still inaccurate.

15.64% ANE
3.11% ASE
56.76% WHG-UHG
1.56% East_Eurasian
0.38% West_African
0.33% East_African
22.21% ENF

[Fire Haired]

Mine. These are my DIY results as the GEDmatch version is still inaccurate.

15.64% ANE
3.11% ASE
56.76% WHG-UHG
1.56% East_Eurasian
0.38% West_African
0.33% East_African
22.21% ENF

There's obvisouly some noise in there(1.56% east Eurasian?). All Europeans are scoring way to low in ENF. How much EEF did you score in Eurogene's EEF-WHG-ANE calculator? Otzi scored about 60% ENF in this test, so just divide your ENF score by 60, to get an EEF score, and I bet you it's much lower than what you scored in that calculator. Davidiski is getting ANE K=7 results for my uncle using ADMIXTURE. That's what he used for Sardinians who got what look like deadly accurate results. I suggest you ask David to do the same for you.

[Jusarius]

There's obvisouly some noise in there(1.56% east Eurasian?).Why would it be noise? Why can't Europeans have (ancestral) East Eurasian as they have even ancestral South Eurasian, too? Jaxman has Finnish ancestry so that's perfectly logical. My East Eurasian is over 8%.

[Jusarius]

All Europeans are scoring way to low in ENF.No one has claimed ENF is equal to EEF in the previous calculator. EEF had WHG-like admixture.

[Fire Haired]

No one has claimed ENF is equal to EEF in the previous calculator. EEF had WHG-like admixture.

Yes I know that, but Otzi who is just about identical to EEF(Stuttgart) scored ~60% ENF. So, if English scored ~49% EEF in Laz 2013/14 they should score nearly 30% ENF. Also, the WHG component may have some middle eastern farmer in it, so it might be absorbing some ENF.

[Graham]

66.85% WHG-UHG (Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer)
15.27% ANE (Ancient North Eurasian)
14.64% ENF (Early Neolithic Farmer)
2.21% ASE (Ancestral South Eurasian )
0.04% East_Eurasian
0.11% West_African
0.88% East_African

[Jusarius]

Yes I know that, but Otzi who is just about identical to EEF(Stuttgart) scored ~60% ENF. So, if English scored ~49% EEF in Laz 2013/14 they should score nearly 30% ENF.That calculator based on Lazardis et al. included only three components so of course you can't directly compare components from it. Some of the WHG in the 3 components calculator maybe broken into different components in different populations. I mean it's not that simple that you just divide the three components with some fixed numbers as you are suggesting should be the case with the English.

[Fire Haired]

That calculator based on Lazardis et al. included only three components so of course you can't directly compare components from it. Some of the WHG in the 3 components calculator maybe broken into different components in different populations. I mean it's not that simple that you just divide the three components with some fixed numbers as you are suggesting should be the case with the English.

Most Europeans don't have identifiable east Asian ancestry. IF they score in anything besides ENF, WHG, and ANE it's probably noise. Finns and BAlts are scoring almost no ENF, which is ridiculous because they defiantly have a big chunk of that form of ancestry.

[Jusarius]

IF they score in anything besides ENF, WHG, and ANE it's probably noise. Finns and BAlts are scoring almost no ENF, which is ridiculous because they defiantly have a big chunk of that form of ancestry.Again, try to understand that as you increase the resolution (more components), most of the original ones are broken into separate new ones. For example WHG+UHG isn't equal to WHG in Lazardis. No population in Europe perfectly fitted the three populations model of Lazardis which means that the components in that masked something else.

[Black Wolf]

Most Europeans don't have identifiable east Asian ancestry. IF they score in anything besides ENF, WHG, and ANE it's probably noise. Finns and BAlts are scoring almost no ENF, which is ridiculous because they defiantly have a big chunk of that form of ancestry.

Finns and North Russians do have identifiable East Eurasian ancestry. It can be called ENA (Eastern Non-African) in the words of Laz.

[Fire Haired]

Finns and North Russians do have identifiable East Eurasian ancestry. It can be called ENA (Eastern Non-African) in the words of Laz.

Yes I know that, but if for example Irish are scoring 2% east Eurasian we know that's noise.

[Fire Haired]

Again, try to understand that as you increase the resolution (more components), most of the original ones are broken into separate new ones. For example WHG+UHG isn't equal to WHG in Lazardis. No population in Europe perfectly fitted the three populations model of Lazardis which means that the components in that masked something else.

Did you read Laz? Europeans fitting as descending from three ancestral populations was their big discovery. Maybe they don't trace every last drop of their blood to those populations, but we shouldn't see scored at 1% in east Eurasian or Sub Saharan.

[Jusarius]

Did you read Laz? Europeans fitting as descending from three ancestral populations was their big discovery. Maybe they don't trace every last drop of their blood to those populations, but we shouldn't see scored at 1% in east Eurasian or Sub Saharan.That would be the case if the components in Polako's K7 were identical to the three ancestral components used in Lazardis. But they aren't! Polako himself said that for example ANE in K7 is not based on the MA-1 genome as in Lazardis. These calculators look at the truth from different angles and with different resolutions.

[Grace O'Malley]

Apparently this has been fixed on Gedmatch. It wasn't giving correct results before.

Mine
Population
ANE 16.92%
ASE 1.02%
WHG-UHG 63.89%
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_African -
East_African 0.20%
ENF 16.82%

Mum
Population
ANE 17.17%
ASE 1.75%
WHG-UHG 62.95%
East_Eurasian 0.61%
West_African -
East_African 0.45%
ENF 17.07%

Brother
Population
ANE 16.82%
ASE 1.65%
WHG-UHG 64.03%
East_Eurasian 0.75%
West_African 0.49%
East_African 0.16%
ENF 16.10%

Daughter
Population
ANE 15.44%
ASE 1.80%
WHG-UHG 64.26%
East_Eurasian 0.75%
West_African -
East_African 0.53%
ENF 17.23%

[Mortimer]

Population
ANE 15.60%
ASE 6.22%
WHG-UHG 35.38%
East_Eurasian 3.15%
West_African 0.14%
East_African 1.34%
ENF 38.17%

[Geni]

Population
ANE 10.70%
ASE 1.51%
WHG-UHG 42.44%
East_Eurasian 0.44%
West_African 0.15%
East_African -
ENF 44.77%

[Jusarius]

Zero ENF for me now! :)

ANE 20.78%
ASE 2.69%
WHG-UHG 67.88%
East_Eurasian 8.02%
West_African -
East_African 0.59%
ENF -

[Black Wolf]

The GEDmatch version of this calculator seems to be much more accurate now. Here are my own GEDmatch results.

Population
ANE 15.61%
ASE 3.18%
WHG-UHG 57.33%
East_Eurasian 1.50%
West_African 0.62%
East_African 0.15%
ENF 21.61%

[Black Wolf]

That would be the case if the components in Polako's K7 were identical to the three ancestral components used in Lazardis. But they aren't! Polako himself said that for example ANE in K7 is not based on the MA-1 genome as in Lazardis. These calculators look at the truth from different angles and with different resolutions.

What do you think about the origins of the WHG-UHG component? It reaches it's highest frequencies among the Mesolithic samples such as La Brana but Polako said that it was probably present among the first Neolithic farmers of the Fertile Crescent as well as a minor component to ENF. What do you think about this I am curious?

[Alessio]

Population
ANE 12.28% Ancestral Northern European
ASE 0.74% Ancestral South Eurasian
WHG-UHG 48.43% Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer
East_Eurasian 0.82%
West_African 0.07%
East_African 0.27%
ENF 37.39% Early Neolithic Farmer

[Alessio]

Tuscan/Abruzesse/Campanian/English

Population
ANE 13.21%
ASE 2.17%
WHG-UHG 51.54%
East_Eurasian 0.08%
West_African 0.65%
ENF 32.35%

[Black Wolf]

Population
ANE 12.28% Ancestral Northern European
ASE 0.74% Ancestral South Eurasian
WHG-UHG 48.43% Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer
East_Eurasian 0.82%
West_African 0.07%
East_African 0.27%
ENF 37.39% Early Neolithic Farmer

ANE stands for ''Ancient North Eurasian'' not ''Ancestral Northern European''.

[Jusarius]

What do you think about the origins of the WHG-UHG component? It reaches it's highest frequencies among the Mesolithic samples such as La Brana but Polako said that it was probably present among the first Neolithic farmers of the Fertile Crescent as well as a minor component to ENF. What do you think about this I am curious?I tend to think this UHG is tightly connected with Ancestral Indian and South Asian components in other calculators. I think it may be the main source of WHG-like admixture in Laz.'s EEF. What's your take on it?

[Black Wolf]

I tend to think this UHG is tightly connected with Ancestral Indian and South Asian components in other calculators. I think it may be the main source of WHG-like admixture in Laz.'s EEF. What's your take on it?

I also think that this UHG component is probably the main source of WHG like admixture in the EEF component from Laz. I do not know where it comes from though. Did the UHG component become part of the EEF component by admixture with Mesolithic hunter-gatherers in the Balkans? Or was it also part of the early Neolithic farmers genomes from the Fertile Crescent even if it was a minor component among them?

[Alessio]

Thank you I was looking for it! I was literally guessing while typing and I was too lazy to re-check the meaning of it.
Thank you for informing me at other forums as well ;)

Ancient Northern Euro sounds way cooler though ! :cool:


ANE stands for ''Ancient North Eurasian'' not ''Ancestral Northern European''.

[Graham]

-- Gedmatch --

Graham
WHG-UHG 66.64%
ANE 15.37%
ENF 14.66%
ASE 2.46%


Mum
WHG-UHG 65.43%
ANE 16.06%
ENF 15.43%
ASE 1.70%


Dad
WHG-UHG 65.05%
ENF 16.79%
ANE 14.79%
ASE 2.39%

[Alessio]

Mum

WHG-UHG 65.74%
ANE 17.57%
ENF 14.68%
ASE 1.40%
East_African 0.33%
West_African 0.29%

[Damião de Góis]

Population
ANE 10.09%
ASE 1.00%
WHG-UHG 52.08%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.90%
East_African 3.30%
ENF 32.62%

[cally]

Population
ANE 10.27%
ASE 0.27%
WHG-UHG 43.44%
East_Eurasian 0.76%
West_African 0.38%
East_African -
ENF 44.87%

[Guapo]

What is forumnostrum?

[Insuperable]

So ENFs were most similar to modern Middle Easterners while EEFs were a mix of ENF's and HGs? EEF's were basically a group which originated somewhere in Europe, presumebly SE Europe.

[War Chef]

Population
ANE 18.46%
ASE 2.86%
WHG-UHG 40.60%
East_Eurasian 0.48%
West_African 0.16%
East_African 0.18%
ENF 37.26%

[oblivion]

0.26% ANE
0.00% ASE
7.68% WHG-UHG
1.42% East_Eurasian
0.00% West_African
12.00% East_African
78.63% ENF *

[Bartox]

http://s27.postimg.org/5owoj9eqr/capture_20140917_102909.png

[Longbowman]

The correct score is:

55.90% Early Neolithic Farmer
30.08% Western Hunter Gatherer/Unknown Hunter Gatherer
9.20% Ancient North Eurasian
2.18% East Eurasian
1.97% East African
0.54% West African
0.13% Ancient South Asian

All other scores are wrong.

[Fire Haired]

The correct score is:

55.90% Early Neolithic Farmer
30.08% Western Hunter Gatherer/Unknown Hunter Gatherer
9.20% Ancient North Eurasian
2.18% East Eurasian
1.97% East African
0.54% West African
0.13% Ancient South Asian

All other scores are wrong.

That score is probably off, unless you're like 95% Jewish. Besides the creator says this test is designed only to predict ANE and the other components are not meant to be perfectly accurate but to take out all non-ANE. I wouldn't put to much faith in west Eurasians descending from the 3 same stone age populations. There's probably regional differences in WHG-like ancestry, and there could be other ancestral populations.

[Bulut]

Population
ANE 15.59%
ASE 2.01%
WHG-UHG 20.41%
East_Eurasian 8.51%
West_African -
East_African 1.49%
ENF 52.00%

[karen1300]

Population
ANE 16.20%
ASE 1.88%
WHG-UHG 61.79%
East_Eurasian 0.79%
West_African 0.93%
East_African 1.54%
ENF 16.86%

[noricum]

Population
ANE 15.60%
ASE 1.45%
WHG-UHG 62.20%
East_Eurasian 0.24%
West_African 0.09%
East_African 0.64%
ENF 19.79%

[karen1300]

Population
ANE 16.20%
ASE 1.88%
WHG-UHG 61.79%
East_Eurasian 0.79%
West_African 0.93%
East_African 1.54%
ENF 16.86%

My father's ANE K7

Population
ANE 16.40%
ASE 1.97%
WHG-UHG 58.85%
East_Eurasian 1.65%
West_African 1.02%
East_African 1.92%
ENF 18.19%

[Black Wolf]

That score is probably off, unless you're like 95% Jewish. Besides the creator says this test is designed only to predict ANE and the other components are not meant to be perfectly accurate but to take out all non-ANE. I wouldn't put to much faith in west Eurasians descending from the 3 same stone age populations. There's probably regional differences in WHG-like ancestry, and there could be other ancestral populations.

His results look like they make sense considering his ancestry.

[Black Wolf]

So ENFs were most similar to modern Middle Easterners while EEFs were a mix of ENF's and HGs? EEF's were basically a group which originated somewhere in Europe, presumebly SE Europe.

It makes one wonder if the UHG part of the WHG-UHG component came from Southeast European Mesolithic hunter-gatherer populations?

[Kale]

Almost certainly. Maybe some contribution from Anatolia or nearby, but I don't think there's any debating some of the UHG has to be Balkan.

..Also I think someone forgot to feed the hamsters...this site is slow as shit right now.

[Black Wolf]

Almost certainly. Maybe some contribution from Anatolia or nearby, but I don't think there's any debating some of the UHG has to be Balkan.

..Also I think someone forgot to feed the hamsters...this site is slow as shit right now.

Polako has said that he thinks the WHG-UHG component may have been present among the earliest farmers of the Fertile Crescent in minority amounts. This would be from the UHG part of this composite component of course. I don't know about this though as UHG could have come to these West Asian and Middle Eastern populations later with migrations from west Anatolia or the Balkans. It is not really high at all in any groups native to that area of the world. Of course we need ancient DNA from the Middle East to prove any of this.

[Siberia62]

WHG-UHG 54.51%
ENF 28.03%
ANE 14.09%
ASE 1.62%
East_African 0.83%
East_Eurasian 0.53%
West_African 0.38%

[DanielJ1eH]

My father's ANE K7

Population
ANE 16.40%
ASE 1.97%
WHG-UHG 58.85%
East_Eurasian 1.65%
West_African 1.02%
East_African 1.92%
ENF 18.19%
That's not correct for you. I got a 1% something East African which was absent totally on every other calculator except for this one.

[Oneeye]

ANE 16.23%
ASE 1.53%
WHG-UHG 61.80%
East_Eurasian 0.63%
West_African 0.49%
East_African 0.24%
ENF 19.09%

[Graham]

That's not correct for you. I got a 1% something East African which was absent totally on every other calculator except for this one.
This calculator is more ancient and you could pick up stuff that aren't on other calculators.

[Graham]

ANE 16.23%
ASE 1.53%
WHG-UHG 61.80%
East_Eurasian 0.63%
West_African 0.49%
East_African 0.24%
ENF 19.09%

Typical British.

[DanielJ1eH]

This calculator is more ancient and you could pick up stuff that aren't on other calculators.
If it's that ancient it had to be before East Africa became mong rilzed.

[DanielJ1eH]

Also North African isn't present on these calculators so that would probably be the reason. Whenever North African is an option East African always disappears so I doubt it.

[Jackson]

WHG is interesting in my family, average for my mother's side is 61.32 which is fairly normal-low overall i guess. Interesting difference between my Grandmother and Grandfather in ANE though, Grandfather has a full 1.96% more ANE, although she has the highest of the WHG in all my family. I guess she just has more pre Indo-European ancestry, slightly.

[DanielJ1eH]

East African would just be noise since it's not consistent. I follow consistent results. It doesn't matter if one calculator is more ancient than another one.

[Jackson]

Actually just realised the results have changed since i last posted, here are my new ones. Less noisy by the looks of it:

Me:
ANE 15.30%
ASE 1.90%
WHG-UHG 61.02%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.48%
ENF 20.29%
Dad:
ANE 14.93%
ASE 2.35%
WHG-UHG 63.81%
East_Eurasian 0.26%
West_African 0.25%
East_African 0.17%
ENF 18.23%
Paternal Grandfather:
ANE 16.09%
ASE 1.98%
WHG-UHG 64.12%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.46%
ENF 17.35%
Paternal Grandmother:
ANE 14.31%
ASE 2.96%
WHG-UHG 65.13%
East_Eurasian 0.18%
West_African 0.57%
East_African -
ENF 16.85%
Mother:
ANE 15.71%
ASE 1.99%
WHG-UHG 60.09%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.16%
ENF 21.05%

Aunt:
ANE 14.96%
ASE 1.85%
WHG-UHG 62.88%
East_Eurasian 0.53%
West_African -
East_African 0.76%
ENF 18.97%

[Not a Cop]

Actually just realised the results have changed since i last posted, here are my new ones. Less noisy by the looks of it:



What's ASE?

Population
ANE 20.13%
ASE 2.92%
WHG-UHG 63.63%
East_Eurasian 2.89%
West_African 0.58%
East_African 0.34%
ENF 9.51%

[Longbowman]

What's ASE?

The stuff Aryans are made of.

[Not a Cop]

I did the DIY Oracle for K7 that is only relevant for Finnish/Finnic people due to the limited amount of population results included. This is what I got:

1 Karelian @ 1,341926
2 Vepsa @ 1,674734
3 Finnish-East @ 2,843201
4 Finnish-Southwest @ 6,077127
5 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 7,181434
6 Estonian @ 7,661651
7 Russian-North @ 8,49786
8 Balt @ 9,868197
9 Russian-North-West @ 10,003284

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian+Karelian+Karelian+Vepsa @ 1,273848
2 Estonian+Karelian+Vepsa+Vepsa @ 1,287621
3 Estonian+Karelian+Karelian+Karelian @ 1,311289
4 Karelian+Karelian+Karelian+Karelian @ 1,341926
5 Finnish-East+Karelian+Karelian+Karelian @ 1,349376

This is not surprising as my father is from an area that is called Savo-Karelia.

Can you give me a link to this Finnic calc?

[Jackson]

Hungarian Neolithic Individual (NE5):
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 54.43%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 45.57%

Hungarian Neolithic Individual (NE7):
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 59.98%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 40.02%

Hungarian Copper Age individual:

ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 60.38%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 39.62%



Hungarian Iron Age Individual:

ANE 18.36%
ASE -
WHG-UHG 57.41%
East_Eurasian 1.39%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 22.83%

[Jackson]

What's ASE?

Population
ANE 20.13%
ASE 2.92%
WHG-UHG 63.63%
East_Eurasian 2.89%
West_African 0.58%
East_African 0.34%
ENF 9.51%

I think it's Ancestral South Eurasian.

From Eurogenes blog:


Ancestral South Eurasian (ASE): this is a really basal cluster that peaks in tribal groups of Southeast Asia. It's probably very similar in some ways to the Ancestral South Indian (ASI) component described by Reich et al. a few years ago.

Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer (WHG-UHG): this essentially looks like a West Eurasian forager component, and includes the forager-like stuff carried by Neolithic farmers (Oetzi the Iceman has 40% of it).

Early Neolithic Farmer (ENF): I'd say that this is the component of the earliest Neolithic farmers from the Fertile Crescent.

[Longbowman]

The stuff Aryans are made of.

Ah I thought you wrote 'ANE.' My joke doesn't work as well now.

Ancient South Asian, more SE than Indian.

[DanielJ1eH]

Actually just realised the results have changed since i last posted, here are my new ones. Less noisy by the looks of it:

Me:
ANE 15.30%
ASE 1.90%
WHG-UHG 61.02%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.48%
ENF 20.29%
Dad:
ANE 14.93%
ASE 2.35%
WHG-UHG 63.81%
East_Eurasian 0.26%
West_African 0.25%
East_African 0.17%
ENF 18.23%
Paternal Grandfather:
ANE 16.09%
ASE 1.98%
WHG-UHG 64.12%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.46%
ENF 17.35%
Paternal Grandmother:
ANE 14.31%
ASE 2.96%
WHG-UHG 65.13%
East_Eurasian 0.18%
West_African 0.57%
East_African -
ENF 16.85%
Mother:
ANE 15.71%
ASE 1.99%
WHG-UHG 60.09%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.16%
ENF 21.05%

Aunt:
ANE 14.96%
ASE 1.85%
WHG-UHG 62.88%
East_Eurasian 0.53%
West_African -
East_African 0.76%
ENF 18.97%
The EAST African is messed up. What do you score it on other runs? Also why is north African not an option on this test.

[Longbowman]

The EAST African is messed up. What do you score it on other runs? Also why is north African not an option on this test.

I guess the NA would mainly be typed as ENF.

[Graham]

If it's that ancient it had to be before East Africa became mong rilzed.


The high scores on the test are generally the focus. Low scores can get messy.

[DanielJ1eH]

I'm guessing the rest would either be shuffled into East African or some middle eastern cluster. What makes this calculator more reliable than any other one? If results aren't consistent then I don't see why I should trust something that's one off.

[DanielJ1eH]

The high scores on the test are generally the focus. Low scores can get messy.
That's my point. Just pointing out some inconsistencies.

[Jackson]

The EAST African is messed up. What do you score it on other runs? Also why is north African not an option on this test.

Don't usually score more than noise levels. I doubt it's real in this case to be honest, unless it's something very distant that just pops up at low levels every now and again.

[DanielJ1eH]

Me either. Usually all percentages are in the Zeros for West African, rarely East African, but whenever North or NorthWest_African appears, all of the other African categories are empty. This only brings me to one conclusion. It's North African.

ANE K7

ANE 11.68%
ASE 0.28%
WHG-UHG 48.64%
East_Eurasian 0.32%
West_African -
East_African 1.21%
ENF 37.87%

K36 African Percentages

Central_African -
East_African -
North_African 2.95%
Northeast_African -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
West_African -

K13 African Percentages
Northeast_African 0.61%
Sub-Saharan -

K15 African Percentages
Northeast_African 0.58%
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b African Percentage

Northwest_African 4.79%
East_African -
Sub_Saharan -

I find it odd that Northeast_African and East African don't appear in the K36 or K12b.

[Graham]

Some averages I took a week ago.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/averages_zps4425dd6d.jpg

[DanielJ1eH]

Wow. I'm surprised at the E-African for the Anglo Saxons.

[sonofthedutch]

ANE 15.05%
ASE 1.62%
WHG-UHG 63.27%
West_African 0.78%
East_African 0.71%
ENF 18.58%

Updated results, due to my first run being wrong.

[DanielJ1eH]

The results for a lot of people here are very odd indeed. I am quite taken aback.

[HellLander87]

The results for a lot of people here are very odd indeed. I am quite taken aback.
This science is at its infancy don't expect 0.01 accuracy.It's good enough for a general idea though.

[gold_fenix]

Daniel take in consideration we have very few samples of mesolithic europeans, yet we need more samples

[Pjeter Pan]

Population
ANE 11.77%
ASE 1.39%
WHG-UHG 44.59%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 42.26%

[Not a Cop]

Some averages I took a week ago.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/averages_zps4425dd6d.jpg

Interesting, why do more NE populations score more ASE?

[Graham]

Interesting, why do more NE populations score more ASE?

I honestly don't know, you'll have to ask Polako on that one.

It is found in the oldest Europeans. You are going way back before then probably. Before the arrival into Europe. That is a guess.

Ajvide58
ANE 17.92
ASE 5.21
WHG-UHG 66.67
East_Eurasian 8.68
West_African 0.17
East_African 1.34
ENF 0

Gokhem2
ANE 3.41
ASE 4.09
WHG-UHG 52.56
East_Eurasian 7.37
West_African 0
East_African 0.83
ENF 31.72

Oetzi
ANE 0.02
ASE 1.33
WHG-UHG 38.49
East_Eurasian 7.57
West_African 0.06
East_African 2.32
ENF 50.2

[Not a Cop]

I honestly don't know, you'll have to ask Polako on that one.

It is found in the oldest Europeans. You are going way back before then probably. Before the arrival into Europe. That is a guess.

Ajvide58
ANE 17.92
ASE 5.21
WHG-UHG 66.67
East_Eurasian 8.68
West_African 0.17
East_African 1.34
ENF 0

Gokhem2
ANE 3.41
ASE 4.09
WHG-UHG 52.56
East_Eurasian 7.37
West_African 0
East_African 0.83
ENF 31.72

Oetzi
ANE 0.02
ASE 1.33
WHG-UHG 38.49
East_Eurasian 7.57
West_African 0.06
East_African 2.32
ENF 50.2

Thanks, i scored 2.92%, made me wonder a bit.

[Graham]

Thanks, i scored 2.92%, made me wonder a bit.

Well it is your case a North European thing from the East. Wouldn't look any further than that.

[Longbowman]

ASE might be related to the ancient Mongoloid immigration wave into Europe which would have peaked in the Northeast.

Or it could just be that Easterners are more Asian influenced anyway.

[Black Wolf]

Hungarian Neolithic Individual (NE5):
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 54.43%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 45.57%

Hungarian Neolithic Individual (NE7):
ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 59.98%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 40.02%

Hungarian Copper Age individual:

ANE -
ASE -
WHG-UHG 60.38%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 39.62%



Hungarian Iron Age Individual:

ANE 18.36%
ASE -
WHG-UHG 57.41%
East_Eurasian 1.39%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 22.83%

I think this shows that the WHG-UHG component has a lot of alleles in it that either came in with the early Neolithic farmers from the Near East or were from Balkan hunter-gatherers that were absorbed into the early Neolithic farming groups very early on since NE5 and NE7 have a lot of the WHG-UHG component among them yet in the recent study on them in the ADMIXTURE test they used they look very Sardinian like (green) component. and only show extremely small amounts of the yellow North European like component.

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/141021/ncomms6257/fig_tab/ncomms6257_F4.html

[Catkin]

Apparently this has been fixed on Gedmatch. It wasn't giving correct results before.

Mine
Population
ANE 16.92%
ASE 1.02%
WHG-UHG 63.89%
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_African -
East_African 0.20%
ENF 16.82%



My results are quite close to yours for the main 3 components :)

Mine:
Population
ANE 16.64%
ASE 1.86%
WHG-UHG 63.80%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.49%
East_African 0.28%
ENF 16.93%

My parents:

Mum's:
Population
ANE 16.76%
ASE 2.67%
WHG-UHG 63.15%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 1.02%
East_African -
ENF 16.40%

Dad's:
Population
ANE 17.38%
ASE 1.61%
WHG-UHG 62.12%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.27%
ENF 18.61%

[DanielJ1eH]

I'm guessing East African is very ancient and represents something Arab, not Negroid. Kind of like the Red Sea component. If these calculators are really as ancient as they say they are. The mongrelization of East Africa is a rather recent occurrence.

[Longbowman]

I'm guessing East African is very ancient and represents something Arab, not Negroid. Kind of like the Red Sea component. If these calculators are really as ancient as they say they are. The mongrelization of East Africa is a rather recent occurrence.

East Africans are about 50% Negroid 50% Caucasoid today by blood, though it varies by tribe. However, the blacks were there first. Sorry.

[Gaston]

It's quite inaccurate to think of components as racial categories because phenotype changes very quickly. ANE people like Mal'ta had some quite clear mongoloid features but most modern Europeans don't display mongoloid traits, even in Northeastern Europe.


There's also a very serious possibility that all West Eurasians are African-admixed, which would explain why 45,000 years old Ust'-Ushim , while being an undifferentiated Eurasian, has a closer affinity to East Asians and not Europeans. Could also be Basal Eurasian if it's not African, but it's the same logic.

[DanielJ1eH]

East Africans are about 50% Negroid 50% Caucasoid today by blood, though it varies by tribe. However, the blacks were there first. Sorry.
If this calculator is the most correct of them all, which I doubt due to my results in the East African category being inconsistent, then I am very surprised I scored LESS than the Anglo-Saxon examples Graham posted. I think this calculator is still in its infancy. Even on the Africa9 calculator it was all NW_African.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/averages_zps4425dd6d.jpg

Dodecad Africa9:

Population
Europe 58.95%
NW_Africa 12.61%
SW_Asia 28.44%
E_Africa -
S_Africa -
Mbuti -
W_Africa -
Biaka -
San -

[DanielJ1eH]

There's also a very serious possibility that all West Eurasians are African-admixed, which would explain why 45,000 years old Ust'-Ushim , while being an undifferentiated Eurasian, has a closer affinity to East Asians and not Europeans. Could also be Basal Eurasian if it's not African, but it's the same logic.

Probably correct. I don't think anythings waterproof. Especially DNA.

[Smeagol]

East Africans are about 50% Negroid 50% Caucasoid today by blood, though it varies by tribe. However, the blacks were there first. Sorry.

No. Early Skulls from East Africa have no affinity to modern Negroids.

[DanielJ1eH]

No. Early Skulls from East Africa have no affinity to modern Negroids.
Correct. This is what I was mentioning earlier. I think East_African could very well be North_African/Middle Eastern-esque which explains the high amount for Anglo-Saxons which I thought was bizarre.

[DanielJ1eH]

East Africans are about 50% Negroid 50% Caucasoid today by blood, though it varies by tribe. However, the blacks were there first. Sorry.

Non-sense. They were still swinging from trees and flinging poo at each other in West Africa.

[Smeagol]

Correct. This is what I was mentioning earlier. I think East_African could very well be North_African/Middle Eastern-esque which explains the high amount for Anglo-Saxons which I thought was bizarre.

I don't know what it is, I only know that prehistoric East Africans had nothing in common craniofacially with modern subsaharans. Neither did ancient Egyptians. These genetic components don't necessarily correlate with Racial features.

[Gauthier]

Users with the highest Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry:

No specific order.

Jusarius 20.78% (Finnish)

Albannach 21.93% (North British and Irish)

Bravado 20.17% (Mexican)

Sehnsucht 20.81% (German American)

Not a Cop 20.13% (Russian, German)

[Longbowman]

Non-sense. They were still swinging from trees and flinging poo at each other in West Africa.

Why so anti-black?

[DanielJ1eH]

Why so anti-black?

Because they've accomplished nothing. They haven't contributed anything to modern society. They are no different now than they were in pre-historic times (subsaharan africans)

"Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.

His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.

A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.

In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.

With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.” — Charles Darwin

[Jackson]

Well that explains why your obsessed with African components. In all likelihood it's just noise. These calculators are very good but don't take the results just as they are, they're a way of explaining a set of values, after-all. You can see by comparison that it's quite common for people without East African ancestry to get small chunks of it in this calculator, even people who were alive 2000 years ago.

[DanielJ1eH]

Well that explains why your obsessed with African components. In all likelihood it's just noise. These calculators are very good but don't take the results just as they are, they're a way of explaining a set of values, after-all. You can see by comparison that it's quite common for people without East African ancestry to get small chunks of it in this calculator, even people who were alive 2000 years ago.

I'm positive it's just noise considering my terribly inconsistent results. I find it very odd that whenever North African is made an option, everything from East African dissapears.

[Skerdilaid]

Mine:

Population
ANE 11.20%
ASE 2.58%
WHG-UHG 44.20%
East_Eurasian 0.21%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 41.81%

[Gauthier]

Users with the highest Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry:

No specific order.

Jusarius 20.78% (Finnish)

Albannach 21.93% (North British and Irish)

Bravado 20.17% (Mexican)

Sehnsucht 20.81% (German American)

Not a Cop 20.13% (Russian, German)

Users with the lowest Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry:

gold_fenix 8.70 (Spanish)

Geni 10.70% (Albanian)

Afonso de Albuquerque 10.09% (Portuguese)

oblivion 0.26% (Semitic)

Bartox 9.47% (Spanish)

DanielJ1eH 11.68% (Paternal Line - Italian Maternal Line - Irish/English, Polish)

Archon Progon 11.77% (Albanian)

Skerdilaid 11.20% (Albanian)

[Longbowman]

Users with the lowest Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry:

gold_fenix 8.70 (Spanish)

Geni 10.70% (Albanian)

Afonso de Albuquerque 10.09% (Portuguese)

oblivion 0.26% (Semitic)

Bartox 9.47% (Spanish)

DanielJ1eH 11.68% (Paternal Line - Italian Maternal Line - Irish/English, Polish)

Archon Progon 11.77% (Albanian)

Skerdilaid 11.20% (Albanian)

*Ahem*

[Gaston]

oblivion 0.26% (Semitic)



Egyptian + Semitic more precisely.


The lowest ANE people (0% or close to it) are some Bedouins from the Negev/Sinai, some Egyptians, Berbers and Sardinians.

[SSlava]

Gedmatch:
Population
ANE 16.90%
ASE 3.26%
WHG-UHG 67.36%
East_Eurasian 1.18%
West_African 0.76%
East_African -
ENF 10.54%

[Mutt9]

Mine Population
ANE 15.40%
ASE 2.43%
WHG-UHG 58.12%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.32%
East_African -
ENF 23.73%

[DanielJ1eH]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/averages_zps4425dd6d.jpg

Why do all the Anglo-Saxon examples have lots of East African?

[SwampThing26]

Population
ANE 16.05%
ASE 1.64%
WHG-UHG 59.65%
East_Eurasian 0.75%
West_African 0.84%
East_African 1.09%
ENF 19.98%

[DanielJ1eH]

What's the DIY version of this thing? How do I do it?

[firemonkey]

Eurogenes ANE K7

WHG-UHG 65.21%
ANE 15.28%
ENF 15.05%
ASE 2.63%
East_African 1.22%
East_Eurasian 0.55%
West_African 0.06%

[Yuffayur]

Users with the lowest Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry:

gold_fenix 8.70 (Spanish)

Geni 10.70% (Albanian)

Afonso de Albuquerque 10.09% (Portuguese)

oblivion 0.26% (Semitic)

Bartox 9.47% (Spanish)

DanielJ1eH 11.68% (Paternal Line - Italian Maternal Line - Irish/English, Polish)

Archon Progon 11.77% (Albanian)

Skerdilaid 11.20% (Albanian)

Me 0.12%

[Sikeliot]

I am curious to see others' results for this. I will post mine and my mother's shortly.

[Nurzat]

rounded

55% WHG-UHG
25% ENF
16% ANE
3% East_Eurasian
1% ASE

[Grace O'Malley]

The ANE K7 is not as accurate as the K8 and for Europeans their K8 will be slightly lower as far as ANE. My K8 ANE is 15.8429 and my mothers is 16.1975.

My K7

Population
ANE 16.92%
ASE 1.02%
WHG-UHG 63.89%
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_African -
East_African 0.20%
ENF 16.82%

My Mother's K7

Population
ANE 17.17%
ASE 1.75%
WHG-UHG 62.95%
East_Eurasian 0.61%
West_African -
East_African 0.45%
ENF 17.07%

[Nurzat]

for comparison (rounded):

West Finnish:

67% WHG-UHG
20% ANE
5.5% East_Eurasian
4.5% ENF
1.5% ASE

East Finnish:

67% WHG-UHG
21.5% ANE
8% East_Eurasian
1.5% ENF
1% ASE

Irish:
66% WHG-UHG
16% ANE
14.5% ENF
2% ASE
1% East_African

[Mortimer]

Population
ANE 15.60%
ASE 6.22%
WHG-UHG 35.38%
East_Eurasian 3.15%
West_African 0.14%
East_African 1.34%
ENF 38.17%

[Tchek]

ANE 12.85%
ASE 1.11%
WHG-UHG 58.56%
East_Eurasian 0.72%
West_African 0.55%
East_African 0.08%
ENF 26.13%

[Sikeliot]

Here is mine and my mom's. Of course I have much more ENF, being part Sicilian and whatnot... more than 2x as much. but these components seem to be shared between all Europeans, which shows how we are all related. :) Could someone tell me what all of the other components stand for? I only know a few of them.

Compared to what we usually get on other tests, this has switched our East and West African. Either that or we have some ancestry from Angola or Mozambique instead of solely Senegambia. Because if you multiply these by 4 for me or by 2 for my mother, my grandmother would have substantial East African... it makes more sense for it to be West. This would put my mother at 3% and my grandmother 6%, which makes sense, assuming we even inherited all of my grandmother's.


Mine:

ANE 9.92%
ASE 1.21%
WHG-UHG 49.88%
East_Eurasian 0.42%
West_African 0.68%
East_African 1.49%
ENF 36.40%


Mom's:

Population
ANE 14.73%
ASE 1.50%
WHG-UHG 63.09%
East_Eurasian 0.52%
West_African 0.94%
East_African 2.03%
ENF 17.19%

[Gaston]

K7 is outdated now by K8 and to a lesser extent by the "newer" K6 (for Yamnaya ancestry).

[Jackson]

ANE 15.30%
ASE 1.90%
WHG-UHG 61.02%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.48%
ENF 20.29%

[Iloko]

Mine:
ANE 0.45%
ASE 38.51%
WHG-UHG 2.16%
East_Eurasian 57.25%
West_African 0.21%
East_African 0.42%
ENF 1.01%

Paternal:
ANE -
ASE 40.12%
WHG-UHG 3.49%
East_Eurasian 55.43%
West_African 0.29%
East_African 0.11%
ENF 0.55%

Maternal:
ANE 0.63%
ASE 36.36%
WHG-UHG 0.14%
East_Eurasian 59.56%
West_African 0.31%
East_African 0.35%
ENF 2.65%

[Longbowman]

ANE 9.20%
ASE 0.13%
WHG-UHG 30.08%
East_Eurasian 2.18%
West_African 0.54%
East_African 1.97%
ENF 55.90%

[Sikeliot]

I'm curious if anyone can outdo my mother in African, in the absence of a Latin American poster's results. I'd imagine not. What is weird though is on every genetic run, she comes out slightly more Polish influenced than Portuguese, as if she did not get an even amount of each gene.

[Jana]

ANE 15.24%
ASE 2.09%
WHG-UHG 58.76%
East Eurasian 0.44%
West African 0.38%
East African -
ENF 23.09%

What exactly is ASE and where does it peaks?

[Longbowman]

ANE 15.24%
ASE 2.09%
WHG-UHG 58.76%
East Eurasian 0.44%
West African 0.38%
East African -
ENF 23.09%

What exactly is ASE and where does it peaks?

South/Southeast Asia, and Ancestral South Eurasian. It's associated with Indo-Europeans in Europe.

[Jackson]

My Grandfather:

ANE 16.09%
ASE 1.98%
WHG-UHG 64.12%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.46%
ENF 17.35%

Mother:

ANE 15.71%
ASE 1.99%
WHG-UHG 60.09%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.16%
ENF 21.05%

[Damião de Góis]

This thread already exists.

Population
ANE 10.09%
ASE 1.00%
WHG-UHG 52.08%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.90%
East_African 3.30%
ENF 32.62%

[DRUM]

Mine

ENF 45,02%
WHG-UHG 42,76%
ANE 11,23%
ASE 0,61%
E_Eurasian 0,25%
E_African 0,13%

[SwampThing26]

Population
ANE 16.05%
ASE 1.64%
WHG-UHG 59.65%
East_Eurasian 0.75%
West_African 0.84%
East_African 1.09%
ENF 19.98%

[Mortimer]

the further noth you are the more whg-uhg you seem to have and less enf (two main components of euros)

[Pendragon]

My results:
ANE: 13,29
ASE: 1,52
WHG-UHG: 60,56
East-Eurasian: -
West-African: -
East-African: 1,32
ENF: 23,31

This calculator was made only for ANE.
The other componants are not sufficiently reliable.
For example, in this calculator, there is EEF in the WHG-UHG.
Here are the results of some Europeans Neolithics:
Els Trocs [Troc3] M684242:
ANE: -
ASE: -
WHG-UHG: 54,48
East-Eurasian: -
West-African: -
East-African: -
ENF: 45,52

LBK (F999916):
ANE: -
ASE: -
WHG-UHG: 43,28
East-Eurasian: 0,21
West-African: -
East-African: -
ENF: 56,51

[Mazik]

ANE 17.11%
ASE 3.37%
WHG-UHG 65.78%
East_Eurasian 3.41%
West_African 0.44%
East_African 0.32%
ENF 9.56%

[Highlands]

Population
ANE 10.27%
ASE 0.27%
WHG-UHG 43.44%
East_Eurasian 0.76%
West_African 0.38%
East_African -
ENF 44.87%

[Catkin]

Me
ANE 16.64%
ASE 1.86%
WHG-UHG 63.80%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.49%
East_African 0.28%
ENF 16.93%

Dad
ANE 17.38%
ASE 1.61%
WHG-UHG 62.12%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.27%
ENF 18.61%

Mum
ANE 16.76%
ASE 2.67%
WHG-UHG 63.15%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 1.02%
East_African -
ENF 16.40%

[Shuffle]

Population
ANE 13.62%
ASE 2.14%
WHG-UHG 58.77%
East_Eurasian 0.80%
West_African 0.17%
East_African 0.52%
ENF 23.99%

[Goujian]

I'll give it a go.

Population
ANE 1.16%
ASE 19.39%
WHG-UHG 0.32%
East_Eurasian 79.12%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF -

[gültekin]

Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture
Population
ANE 15.45%
ASE 3.21%
WHG-UHG 21.32%
East_Eurasian 9.18%
West_African 0.93%
East_African -
ENF 49.91%

[Black Wolf]

K7 is outdated now by K8 and to a lesser extent by the "newer" K6 (for Yamnaya ancestry).

The new K9 seems pretty good overall as well.

[Oneeye]

ANE 16.23%
ASE 1.53%
WHG-UHG 61.80%
East_Eurasian 0.63%
West_African 0.49%
East_African 0.24%
ENF 19.09%

[firemonkey]

ANE 15.28%
ASE 2.63%
WHG-UHG 65.21%
East_Eurasian 0.55%
West_African 0.06%
East_African 1.22%
ENF 15.05%

[Nehellenia]

Mine:

ANE 16.53%
ASE 2.98%
WHG-UHG 63.59%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.00%
ENF 15.90%

[Berahthraban]

Are all of these really small percentages trustworthy? Or could it just be "noise" For example: (This is not my results)
ANE 13.62%
ASE 2.14%
WHG-UHG 58.77%
East_Eurasian 0.80%
West_African 0.17%
East_African 0.52%
ENF 23.99%

[Gooding]

Always happy to show my Hunter- Gatherer pride!
Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes ANE K7 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this calculator
should be directed to him at his Project Blog. Revised 2014-Sep-12

Iteration: 433 Delta-Q: 9.961950e-07 Elapsed Time: 24.13 seconds




Population
ANE 15.16%
ASE 1.40%
WHG-UHG 64.53%
East_Eurasian 0.48%
West_African 0.53%
East_African 0.89%
ENF 17.03%

[Rugevit]

This is the right topic to post the results.

K7

20.03% ANE
2.35% ASE
68.15% WHG-UHG
1.26% East_Eurasian
0.00% West_African
0.48% East_African
7.73% ENF

If some want to add their K7 data into the spreadsheet, I will generate a PCA plot : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

[Rugevit]

PCA based on averages of European populations for ANE_K7. Reference samples are provided by Polako : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1684wMM_ZJFoxcxJXK0jkVgeGGEVl5Nw3-Moc_IFrlOs/edit?pli=1#gid=1051326962

The PCA plot: http://postimg.org/image/83bdzjepn/full/

[Petalpusher]

Are all of these really small percentages trustworthy? Or could it just be "noise" For example: (This is not my results)
ANE 13.62%
ASE 2.14%
WHG-UHG 58.77%
East_Eurasian 0.80%
West_African 0.17%
East_African 0.52%
ENF 23.99%

West & East African may be noisy on this one. If you have something above 0.5% it's possibly real but you have to check all others calculators, it's not definitive.

East Eurasian is solid, the main purpose of the calc is to differantiate the ANE and trim the East Eurasian from it.

[Rugevit]

If some want to add their K7 data into the spreadsheet, I will generate a PCA plot : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

So far : http://postimg.org/image/5te1ezl89/full/

[Jackson]

So far : http://postimg.org/image/5te1ezl89/full/

Just added mine and two of my family members, not going to add any more as it's selfish and clutters up the PCA. Or you can just put mine in if you like. :)

[Rugevit]

Just added mine and two of my family members, not going to add any more as it's selfish and clutters up the PCA. Or you can just put mine in if you like. :)

Updated : http://postimg.org/image/oo4wub399/full/

[Sikeliot]

I added me, my mother, a Sicilian from Palermo related to me, an East Sicilian, a Greek islander, and a Peloponnesian.

I want to see where they fall relative to one another. Please put them on PC plot.

[Annie999]

Unfortunately I have no idea what any of this means, but heres mine

ANE 9.87%
ASE 0.06%
WHG-UHG 43.89%
East_Eurasian 1.10%
West_African 0.47%
East_African 1.00%
ENF 43.61%

What is ENF and WHG-UHG?

[Rugevit]

Data : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

Updated : http://postimg.org/image/dyk76sfbr/full/

[Sikeliot]

Updated : http://postimg.org/image/dyk76sfbr/full/

As to be expected Greek Islander (someone from Chios, in this case) and the East Sicilian (a Catanese) are basically the same. I thought the Peloponnesian would be closer to Chloe though.

[wvwvw]

My father's:

http://i59.tinypic.com/51zx9h.jpg

I have a problem accessing mine, I guess I will have to download my results to gedmatch all over again

[wvwvw]

I cannot copy paste all of a sudden. I had to go through the trouble of taking s screen shot. As soon as I copy something from Gedmatch and paste it here it vanishes! :confused:

[Sikeliot]

My father's:

http://i59.tinypic.com/51zx9h.jpg

I have a problem accessing mine, I guess I will have to download my results to gedmatch all over again


Low ENF!

He is from Lakonia, right?

[Longbowman]

I cannot copy paste all of a sudden. I had to go through the trouble of taking s screen shot. As soon as I copy something from Gedmatch and paste it here it vanishes! :confused:

screencap + upload to tinypic/imgur + copy link + post link here

[Rugevit]

Updated : http://postimg.org/image/judt9jhqt/full/

[Sikeliot]

I am choosing typical results for some more Italian and Greek regions.


Let's get Calabria in there:


Population
ANE 7.77%
ASE 0.40%
WHG-UHG 26.03%
East_Eurasian 0.46%
West_African -
East_African 3.44%
ENF 61.89%



and Crete:


Population
ANE 10.54%
ASE 0.98%
WHG-UHG 27.72%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.22%
East_African -
ENF 60.55%


And Campania:


Population
ANE 9.88%
ASE 0.90%
WHG-UHG 29.77%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.07%
East_African 1.20%
ENF 58.18%




And Greek Islands 2:

Population
ANE 9.34%
ASE 2.60%
WHG-UHG 36.45%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.11%
East_African 0.47%
ENF 51.03%

[Ardell]

Population
ANE 14.07%
ASE 1.88%
WHG-UHG 53.78%
East_Eurasian 0.52%
West_African 0.10%
East_African 0.58%
ENF 29.07%

[Berahthraban]

Unfortunately I have no idea what any of this means, but heres mine

ANE 9.87%
ASE 0.06%
WHG-UHG 43.89%
East_Eurasian 1.10%
West_African 0.47%
East_African 1.00%
ENF 43.61%

What is ENF and WHG-UHG?

ENF Early neolithic farmers (came from the near east with the agricultural revolution).
WHG-UHG Western European Hunter-Gatherers/Unknown Hunter-Gatherers (The only group indigenous to Europe, the first people to move out of Africa into Europe)
All Europeans have ancesty from both of these groups. WHG is more common in the north and ENF is more common in the south. All Europeans also have ancestry from ANE, Ancient North Eurasian, and the same things goes here, it is more common in the north, and less common in the south.

[Era]

As to be expected Greek Islander (someone from Chios, in this case) and the East Sicilian (a Catanese) are basically the same. I thought the Peloponnesian would be closer to Chloe though.

I'm where I should be, between the Peloponnesian and Leapfroger :)

So up is eastern and down west? left north and right south right.

[de Burgh II]

K7

ANE 15.39%
ASE 1.85%
WHG-UHG 62.47%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.77%
ENF 19.52%

[Argentano]

ANE K7 Mine

Population
ANE 8.03%
ASE 1.83%
WHG-UHG 34.22%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.76%
ENF 55.16%


ANE K7 Dad

Population
ANE 8.09%
ASE 0.60%
WHG-UHG 29.60%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.33%
ENF 60.37%

[Neon Knight]

Eurogenes K7
WHG-UHG 64.18%
ENF 17.20%
ANE 16.06%
ASE 1.47%
East Eurasian 0.47%
West African 0.45%
East African 0.17%



(This is not my results)

It would be interesting to see your K7 results, for a full Swedish example.

[Sikeliot]

ANE K7

Population
ANE 8.03%
ASE 1.83%
WHG-UHG 34.22%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.76%
ENF 55.16%


Show me your dad's score? I am guessing 60% ENF?

[Berahthraban]

Eurogenes K7
WHG-UHG 64.18%
ENF 17.20%
ANE 16.06%
ASE 1.47%
East Eurasian 0.47%
West African 0.45%
East African 0.17%




It would be interesting to see your K7 results, for a full Swedish example.

My 23andme kit is on its way back to the lab, so we won't have to wait for too long :D

[Petalpusher]

I ve been adding the new ones on the last pages.




So up is eastern and down west? left north and right south right.

Yep

Down/Up= West/East
Left/Right=North/South

Maybe it would be more natural to rotate it at the end.



ps: It's easier if you post your results in the default calculator order.

[Argentano]

I'm where I should be, between the Peloponnesian and Leapfroger :)

So up is eastern and down west? left north and right south right.

i will be behind you in the next update :naughty2:

[Sikeliot]

i will be behind you in the next update :naughty2:

Put your dad's results, I want to see where he falls on there.

[Argentano]

Put your dad's results, I want to see where he falls on there.

i already did i edited my first post..its already in the spreadsheet

[de Burgh II]

I ve been adding the new ones on the last pages.



Yep

Down/Up= West/East
Left/Right=North/South

Maybe it would be more natural to rotate it at the end.



ps: It's easier if you post your results in the default calculator order.

Thats a nice PCA chart your making there! :thumb001:

[Sikeliot]

Ok your dad will be right near the other Calabrese person, the eastern Sicilian, the Cretan etc.

[Petalpusher]

Thats a nice PCA chart your making there! :thumb001:

It's Simargl, i just input the datas xD

(Im the only one with a google account. What year is it already ?)

Guys you can verify your k7 here. Im not drunk but you never know..
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

[Rugevit]

Updated one more time. I will increase the resolution as more people are added : http://postimg.org/image/fqoijfotb/full/

[Grace O'Malley]

Could you add mine and my mother's Petalpusher?

Here's mine

Population
ANE 16.92%
ASE 1.02%
WHG-UHG 63.89%
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_African -
East_African 0.20%
ENF 16.82%

My Mother's K7

Population
ANE 17.17%
ASE 1.75%
WHG-UHG 62.95%
East_Eurasian 0.61%
West_African -
East_African 0.45%
ENF 17.07%

[Rugevit]

Could you add mine and my mother's Petalpusher?

Here's mine

Population
ANE 16.92%
ASE 1.02%
WHG-UHG 63.89%
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_African -
East_African 0.20%
ENF 16.82%

My Mother's K7

Population
ANE 17.17%
ASE 1.75%
WHG-UHG 62.95%
East_Eurasian 0.61%
West_African -
East_African 0.45%
ENF 17.07%

I added yours. It's easy to add the results into the the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

[Rugevit]

Update : http://postimg.org/image/imoqx093v/full/

[Longbowman]

Added mine to the spreadsheet.

[Rugevit]

Update : http://postimg.org/image/chaerjbmj/full/

[Berahthraban]

It's Simargl, i just input the datas xD

(Im the only one with a google account. What year is it already ?)

Guys you can verify your k7 here. Im not drunk but you never know..
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

That is not my results in there, I just took another persons as an example, so that has to be removed :)

[Petalpusher]

That is not my results in there, I just took another persons as an example, so that has to be removed :)

I didn't put them, i knew it wasn't yours. It's Shuffle's results, a German.

[Sikeliot]

Update : http://postimg.org/image/chaerjbmj/full/

Could you put in the Calabrese sample, the Greeks etc. I posted a few pages back?


Let's get Calabria in there:


Population
ANE 7.77%
ASE 0.40%
WHG-UHG 26.03%
East_Eurasian 0.46%
West_African -
East_African 3.44%
ENF 61.89%



and Crete:


Population
ANE 10.54%
ASE 0.98%
WHG-UHG 27.72%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.22%
East_African -
ENF 60.55%


And Campania:


Population
ANE 9.88%
ASE 0.90%
WHG-UHG 29.77%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.07%
East_African 1.20%
ENF 58.18%




And Greek Islands 2:

Population
ANE 9.34%
ASE 2.60%
WHG-UHG 36.45%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.11%
East_African 0.47%
ENF 51.03%

[Era]

One thing I don't agree with this map is Lithuanian being the most northern shifted. With 23andme too. This skews the results cause the Lithuanian should be eastern shifted. A Norwegian should be the sample for the most northern shifted instead.

[Sikeliot]

Why is cmv88's father not right next to East Sicily and Greek islands?

[Longbowman]

One thing I don't agree with this map is Lithuanian being the most northern shifted. With 23andme too. This skews the results cause the Lithuanian should be eastern shifted. A Norwegian should be the sample for the most northern shifted instead.

But Lithuanians have the most WHG...wouldn't you argue Sami are the most Northern-shifted? Except, of course, they don't fit as well with other Europeans. Conventional wisdom isn't correct; the most autochthonous group is the Balts.

[Petalpusher]

Why is cmv88's father not right next to East Sicily and Greek islands?

As funny as it may sound, he doesn't have enough ASE / South Indian. You can drift away from a country for these reasons too, even if you lack some African and the average has some. The calculator doesn't care what you consider good or bad, you need all of them to plot closer.

[Longbowman]

Most Southeastern Aprician award.

[Sikeliot]

If we put every Sicilian and Greek islander on there, they'd make one large cluster and Longbowman would be in it too.

[Berahthraban]

But Lithuanians have the most WHG...wouldn't you argue Sami are the most Northern-shifted? Except, of course, they don't fit as well with other Europeans. Conventional wisdom isn't correct; the most autochthonous group is the Balts.

Do you have any information about how much WHG the Sami have on average?

[Era]

But Lithuanians have the most WHG...wouldn't you argue Sami are the most Northern-shifted? Except, of course, they don't fit as well with other Europeans. Conventional wisdom isn't correct; the most autochthonous group is the Balts.

How is the WHG calculated? It doesn't look right if an eastern people such as Lithuanians is considered as the northern one instead of a Norwegian. I don't know sami's stats but their look it's eastern looking at least.

[Petalpusher]

How is the WHG calculated? It doesn't look right if an eastern people such as Lithuanians is considered as the northern one instead of a Norwegian. I don't know sami's stats but their look it's eastern looking at least.

It's the Baltic HG, it's where it peaks. Norwegian are more Western, you ll see that even Swedes are more N.Western than Norwegian. It's not a geographical map, it's the point of a PCA like this.

[Era]

It's the Baltic HG, it's where it peaks. Norwegian are more Western, you ll see that even Swedes are more N.Western than Norwegian. It's not a geographical map, it's the point of a PCA like this.

It's an arbitrary choice though.

A Baltic/d shouldn't be the epitome of northern as it is eastern as we understand and accept east from a geographical and phenotypical point of view.

[Petalpusher]

It's an arbitrary choice though.

A Baltic/d shouldn't be the epitome of northern as it is eastern as we understand and accept east from a geographical and phenotypical point of view.

They have more indigenous HG. Nothing arbitrary it's a genetic reality, but again they lack the Western of typical Scandinavians which make them more European in some sense. What we have in mind as the epitome of Northern European is Northern but also Western. It isn't only made of "North stuff".

You can also see it like this if you prefer, it's more natural with our geographical perception :

http://s12.postimg.org/qol942171/k7col1.jpg

[Longbowman]

How is the WHG calculated? It doesn't look right if an eastern people such as Lithuanians is considered as the northern one instead of a Norwegian. I don't know sami's stats but their look it's eastern looking at least.

Similarity with Mesolithic Europeans like Lochsbour.

Petalpusher has explained the rest.

[Rugevit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit?pli=1#gid=0

Update http://postimg.org/image/5pyynrv2p/full/

[Gooding]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit?pli=1#gid=0

Update http://postimg.org/image/5pyynrv2p/full/

So, I gather I'm somewhere between firemonkey and Eleonore, South of both of them, but favoring the SE English?? :confused: What does this data mean?

[Eleonore]

Amazing work guys, you rock :D

Question : Im not exactly next to "Norman" (or is it just a name?), because i have a German/Polish Great grandparent?

[Rugevit]

So, I gather I'm somewhere between firemonkey and Eleonore, South of both of them, but favoring the SE English?? :confused: What does this data mean?

This admixture analysis wwas done by Polako in which 7 admixture components were chosen. We collected the samples based on k7 run and I run principal component analysis ( PCA) to transform multivariate data (7 variables in this case) to 2 principal components such that most variation in the original data is preserved. This is done for visual exploration of the data on 2D plane.

[Petalpusher]

So, I gather I'm somewhere between firemonkey and Eleonore, South of both of them, but favoring the SE English?? :confused: What does this data mean?

You are more NorthWest than Eleonore, and firemonkey is more NorthEast than both. You are all really close and with Armstrong too as expected.


Amazing work guys, you rock :D

Question : Im not exactly next to "Norman" (or is it just a name?), because i have a German/Polish Great grandparent?

it's a Normand i added because i knew he had 4 grandparent from Normandy. This map actually shows an amazing thing for you, and this is the perfect example, you are right on the vertical line of a Norman (Which is the North/South ratio) and also exactly on the horizontal line of all Germanic population and probably a central average German (if we had one around). What had to be demonstrated...Norman + 1/4 German.

Which means you re ethnically Normand with a East shift (possibly even a bit Eastern German). If we had that map when we saw your results it would have been perfectly clear right away. That's how PCA charts like this can be much better than calculators. There s some limitations that we could talk about but it really makes it easier to visualize someone's genetic.

[Jackson]

Interesting to have some Belgians on there, is one Flemish and the other Walloon, or is this just natural variation within one group?

[Graham]

Added a couple of only (high quality SNP samples) to that list. Battle axe Late Neolthic Sweden, Iron Age Briton & Sintashta Culture. Also the Western Scottish average Argyll.

And AneK7 isnt outdated yet. It's still fine.

[Argentano]

Added a couple of only (high quality SNP samples) to that list. Battle axe Late Neolthic Sweden, Iron Age Briton & Sintashta Culture. Also the Western Scottish average Argyll.

And AneK7 isnt outdated yet. It's still fine.

can you add a lebanese sample? want to see where they plot

[Graham]

can you add a lebanese sample? want to see where they plot

Lebanese would be on the edge of the pca, the ENF needs to be sorted anyhow. The top scores tend to influence the pca. So you need the correct ENF, WHG & ANE types on top.


Don't want to enlarge it for him to much.

[Graham]

Added the lebanese averages, but it might squeeze every one together too much. Which means that the writing would be hard to see.

[Argentano]

Added the lebanese averages, but it might squeeze every one together too much. Which means that the writing would be hard to see.

thanks!

he could do one pca plot with the lebanese sample and then erase it for the next updates..right?

[de Burgh II]

Always had a feeling I would plot within the Northwestern quadrant of the PCA chart... nonetheless good work on the samples! :thumb001:

[Gooding]

Always had a feeling I would plot within the Northwestern quadrant of the PCA chart... nonetheless good work on the samples! :thumb001:

Perhaps we are related after all, Armstrong! Lower the SNP count and see what happens! :)

[Rugevit]

I used median values for some populations due to sample outliers that can affect the average values. If you add samples outside of Europe such as the middle east , then we will need to increase the resolution to make the text visible for the subjects that are positioned closer to each other . Update (3200x1800 resolution): http://postimg.org/image/ljjmq94er/full/

[Graham]

There is one thing that might need to be fixed. Is that ASE is going to nudge people a little more North than they should be, due to who has the highest scores. So it might be an idea to find someone or a group that can correct it. But it will only makes a small difference.

ANE I think is pulling a bit too hard also.

[Rugevit]

There is one thing that might need to be fixed. Is that ASE is going to nudge people a little more North than they should be, due to who has the highest scores. So it might be an idea to find someone or a group that can correct it. But it will only makes a small difference.

ANE I think is pulling a bit too hard also.

ASE is in the range of 0-3.37
WHG 10.1-80.23
ENF f 0-80.33
ANE 6.66 – 21.92


The admixture proportions that have the largest ranges will dominate two principal components that we plot the most . Because there is a higher variation in WHG values. So, in the northern direction it will be the WHG admixture component, while ASE won't make much difference. Larger ANE admixture component pulls members in the north-eastern direction. Let's say among members who have higher WHG proportion those who also have higher

[Argentano]

I used median values for some populations due to sample outliers that can affect the average values. If you add samples outside of Europe such as the middle east , then we will need to increase the resolution to make the text visible for the subjects that are position closer to each other . Update (3200x1800 resolution): http://postimg.org/image/ljjmq94er/full/

thanks! very interesting

[gold_fenix]

What population would be down of my position in the map?

[Rugevit]

Graham I removed the ASE component from data and generated the plot. See if you can find much difference it has made to north-south gradient : http://postimg.org/image/ih8olhit9/full/

I'd leave ASE as it is.

[Rugevit]

What population would be down of my position in the map?

You are most south-western member on the plot. Spaniards will be towards your way.

[Gooding]

Interesting redo. I notice there's a cluster of people south of me and if I'm reading this right, Graham's to the northwest.

[Sikeliot]

Can we PLEASE add the Calabrese, Campanian, etc on the previous page or so I have posted them three times now.

[Rugevit]

Can we PLEASE add the Calabrese, Campanian, etc on the previous page or so I have posted them three times now.

I plot what's entered into the spreadsheet : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit?pli=1#gid=0

[Figaro]

The ANE K7 is not as accurate as the K8 and for Europeans their K8 will be slightly lower as far as ANE. My K8 ANE is 15.8429 and my mothers is 16.1975.

My K7

Population
ANE 16.92%
ASE 1.02%
WHG-UHG 63.89%
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_African -
East_African 0.20%
ENF 16.82%

My Mother's K7

Population
ANE 17.17%
ASE 1.75%
WHG-UHG 62.95%
East_Eurasian 0.61%
West_African -
East_African 0.45%
ENF 17.07%

My ma's K7 is 16.25%- slightly lower then the both of you. Kind of interesting...she is half Russo-Polish/Ruthenian, 1/4 Danish, 1/4 German and does not get as much as a couple of Irish folk?

[Sikeliot]

Ok added them

[Rugevit]

Update (resolution 4096x2304 ) : http://postimg.org/image/l3xv7fbxr/full/

Minus Andronovo , Afanasievp and Stutgart samples. The first two are very eastern skewing the plot, while the latter (Stugart) is skewing the plot in south-western direction.

[Sikeliot]

Ok so as we see:

Calabria and Crete are outlying, shifting toward the Lebanese.
East Sicily, Campania, and Aegean islands are very similar.
Ionian islands is halfway between western Sicily and the Peloponnese.

[Argentano]

Ok so as we see:

Calabria and Crete are outlying, shifting toward the Lebanese.
East Sicily, Campania, and Aegean islands are very similar.
Ionian islands is halfway between western Sicily and the Peloponnese.


do you know why me and my dad are not next to the calabrian/campanian samples?

[Sikeliot]

do you know why me and my dad are not next to the calabrian/campanian samples?

I am unsure. He should be, IMO.

I am adding more Sicilians to the plot and a few more Greek islanders.

[Argentano]

I am unsure. He should be, IMO.

I am adding more Sicilians to the plot and a few more Greek islanders.

cool...i checked and our results are ok in the spreadsheet

[Sikeliot]

cool...i checked and our results are ok in the spreadsheet

I am putting another Calabrese in there. It seems so far Calabria and Crete are the most outlying regions. Aegean islanders seem to vary a lot, some near Sicily and others shifted to mainland Greece.