Arabs = foundation of Europe inventions and western civilization

[ButlerKing]

Now. I really don't know why British keep making programs like these. It claimed Chinese from 200 BC to 1500 AD had the most inventions and discovery in BBC history channel


And keep in mind British invented half of the things among Europeans


On the history school channel it teaches Muslims and Arabs were basically superior to European races and that they laid the foundations to European's modern civilization and invention



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtqJhvSydMU



The same people Europeans called Sand niggers, primitive barbarians, muslim terrorist, brown subhumans, big hook noses, ugly ect



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6zxZyhXEWfc/UXM9ujUPqQI/AAAAAAAAKRc/-AM_BHohkFM/s320/arab+man.jpg
http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/17114/wm/pd1589441.jpg
http://www.travel-images.com/pht/israel331.jpg




Keep in mine, I do not know how true that video is. Is just so strange that they will teach this to the children of England

[ButlerKing]

That video might as well claim semetic race is superior to Europeans. I understand Arabs are Caucasian but they are so physically different. Genetically, haplogroup. They cluster closer to the muslim races of Middle east European despises such as Iraqi and Afghans.

Even gypsies are much more closer to Europeans than Southern Arabians

http://www.jflashphoto.com/arabmen/images/Arab-Men-3.jpg
https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz74lhRmoJ1qjufmzo1_400.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/arab-men-23886412.jpg

[ButlerKing]

If what that video says is true. Than that means Semetic are the master race or at least among Caucasian races



That means it is Southwest Asian DNA that is superior not European. ( ONLY IF THAT VIDEO IS TRUE )


Southwest Asian DNA reachest 60-100% in the Yemenis, Oman, UAE, Southern Arabian, Kuwaiit but only 1-2.5% in most of Europe and 5-10% in Greek and Italy

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

[ButlerKing]

Btw, why doesn't anyone challenge against the propaganda made on this video or maybe it isn't propaganda?

[Bell Beaker]

You have serious mental problems. Get the fuck out of this Forum if you like to say that Gypsies are white or Arabs are the foundation of Europe.

Douchbag.

[ButlerKing]

You have serious mental problems. Get the fuck out of this Forum if you like to say that Gypsies are white or Arabs are the foundation of Europe.

Douchbag.


Hey, read all the comments on youtube.


It was not me who made this video but it's a movie and shown in British historian channel.



If this is a propaganda video than you tell those Muslims about it, otherwise people would accept this as fact

[Insuperable]

Butlerking actually finds Europeans the most superior of all people, especially Northern Europeans. It is evident by his monstrous butthurt. He is so butthurt that with his threads he wants Europeans to feel less valuable. True subhuman using any definition of a word. By all means continue making this threads. You make the best compliments.

[Dictator]

You have serious mental problems. Get the fuck out of this Forum if you like to say that Gypsies are white or Arabs are the foundation of Europe.

Douchbag.


You aren't the admin. You have no right to tell anyone to stop posting here.

:)

[ButlerKing]

Butlerking actually finds Europeans the most superior of all people, especially Northern Europeans. It is evident by his monstrous butthurt. He is so butthurt that with his threads he wants Europeans to feel less valuable. True subhuman using any definition of a word. By all means continue making this threads. You make the best compliments.

Have you even watched the video yet?


Maybe Europeans are not the most superior races.... they certainly are one of the most superior.


I still think Mongoloids, Arabs, Jews, European, North Indians are most superior

[Insuperable]

Actually Europans laid the foundations for Arab civilizations.

Heliocentric theory and the calculation of the surface of the Earth, geometric models of planets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudoxus_of_Cnidus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callippus_of_Cyzicus
The Antikythera mechanism, a device for calculating the movements of planets, dates from about 80 BC, and was the first ancestor of the astronomical computer. It was discovered in an ancient shipwreck off the Greek island of Antikythera, between Kythera and Crete. The device became famous for its use of a differential gear, previously believed to have been invented in the 16th century, and the miniaturization and complexity of its parts, comparable to a clock made in the 18th century.
Or in short
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy

The above mentioned Eudoxus and the Archimedes anticipated modern calculus. It is that their methods of precursor calculus were transferred from Greece to the China, Middle East and India. Some advances were done, but nowhere close to that of Newton and Leibniz who invented modern calculus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

Eudoxus theory of real numbers anticipated that of 18th century Dedekind.
Let us not forget Euclid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid

Greek technology:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_technology
Probably the first redorded early steam engine (by Hero) and possibility of steam cannon by Archimedes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Alexandria

Some famous ancient Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipparchus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctesibius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthemius_of_Tralles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archytas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates_of_Chios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Perga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryson_of_Heraclea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysippus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocles_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinostratus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippasus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menaechmus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomedes_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pappus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus_(geometer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodorus_of_Cyrene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_of_the_Classics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_Islamic_world

Europe was in the Dark Age while other blossomed and the reasons for Europe entering the Dark Age are still debated. However European civilizations still influenced others until the knowledge was given back and that is when the Renaissance begins and in just 100 years outshadowed the rest.

[Insuperable]

Have you even watched the video yet?


Maybe Europeans are not the most superior races.... they certainly are one of the most superior.


I still think Mongoloids, Arabs, Jews, European, North Indians are most superior

Whites (especially those from Northern Europe), Jews and East Asians are the most superior. European Jews can also be seen as White since they are similar to certain southern Europeans.

[ButlerKing]

Actually Europans laid the foundations for Arab civilizations.

Heliocentric theory and the calculation of the surface of the Earth, geometric models of planets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudoxus_of_Cnidus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callippus_of_Cyzicus
The Antikythera mechanism, a device for calculating the movements of planets, dates from about 80 BC, and was the first ancestor of the astronomical computer. It was discovered in an ancient shipwreck off the Greek island of Antikythera, between Kythera and Crete. The device became famous for its use of a differential gear, previously believed to have been invented in the 16th century, and the miniaturization and complexity of its parts, comparable to a clock made in the 18th century.
Or in short
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy

The above mentioned Eudoxus and the Archimedes anticipated modern calculus. It is that their methods of precursor calculus were transferred from Greece to the China, Middle East and India. Some advances were done, but nowhere close to that of Newton and Leibniz who invented modern calculus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

Eudoxus theory of real numbers anticipated that of 18th century Dedekind.
Let us not forget Euclid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid

Greek technology:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_technology
Probably the first redorded early steam engine (by Hero) and possibility of steam cannon by Archimedes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Alexandria

Some famous ancient Greeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipparchus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctesibius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthemius_of_Tralles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archytas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates_of_Chios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Perga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryson_of_Heraclea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysippus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocles_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinostratus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippasus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menelaus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menaechmus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomedes_(mathematician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pappus_of_Alexandria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus_(geometer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodorus_of_Cyrene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_of_the_Classics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_contributions_to_Islamic_world

Europe was in the Dark Age while other blossomed and the reasons for Europe entering the Dark Age are still debated. However European civilizations still influenced others until the knowledge was given back and that is when the Renaissance begins and in just 100 years outshadowed the rest.


Historians said Spain was the most advance country in Europe because of science and technology brought by the Moorish and Arab rule of Iberia for 700 years. And from Spain transfered Muslim knowledges to rest of Europe.

[ButlerKing]

Whites (especially those from Northern Europe), Jews and East Asians are the most superior.



This includes North Indians Punjabis, Gujarati ect

[Ianus]

What's this shit?

[Insuperable]

Historians said Spain was the most advance country in Europe because of science and technology brought by the Moorish and Arab rule of Iberia for 700 years. And from Spain transfered Muslim knowledges to rest of Europe.

So what? Like I wrote - the Dark Age. Present age - you being butthurt.

[Rudel]

Europe was in the Dark Age
It wasn't.

/Thread

[Empecinado]

Historians said Spain was the most advance country in Europe because of science and technology brought by the Moorish and Arab rule of Iberia for 700 years. And from Spain transfered Muslim knowledges to rest of Europe.

First, is bullshit that Arab ruled Iberia for 700 years. 700 years after their invasion they only kept Granada, a small vassal state.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Spanish_reconquista.gif

Second, Arabs introduced in Europe through Iberia science and technology mostly from Byzantines and Persians they found when their conquered their territories.

[ButlerKing]

So what? Like I wrote - the Dark Age. Present age - you being butthurt.

Dark ages = middle age of Europe.

According to BBC history channel. It talked about plague, rats and lices that killed many Europeans. Economy deterioration, the decline of the Roman empire, the rise of the Muslim surpassing christianity in everything and was a time when Europe suffered endless invasions from North Africa, Middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia.

[Bloodnigger]

I give you a 6 for effort and for the video making me laugh.

[Insuperable]

Dark ages = middle age of Europe.

According to BBC history channel. It talked about plague, rats and lices that killed many Europeans. Economy deterioration, the decline of the Roman empire, the rise of the Muslim surpassing christianity in everything and was a time when Europe suffered endless invasions from North Africa, Middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia.

Something like this, yes.

[ButlerKing]

Something like this, yes.

But it talked about how Europe were behind other civilizations, discovery, invention outside of Europe. And after the dark ages Europe will surpass everyone.

[Insuperable]

But it talked about how Europe were behind other civilizations, discovery, invention outside of Europe. And after the dark ages Europe will surpass everyone.

It was behind almost everyone during this time. I thought you understood already I don't deny this.

[Lusos]

Historians said Spain was the most advance country in Europe because of science and technology brought by the Moorish and Arab rule of Iberia for 700 years. And from Spain transfered Muslim knowledges to rest of Europe.

They were so great .....that we kicked them out.
And then we chased them all around the World,expelling them from where possible because ......they were so great we couldn't bare to witness such magnificence.

But the Germanics actually were assimilated.(I wonder why)Maybe they weren't so great.

[ButlerKing]

They were so great .....that we kicked them out.
And then we chased them all around the World,expelling them from where possible because ......they were so great we couldn't bare to witness such magnificence.

But the Germanics actually were assimilated.(I wonder why)Maybe they weren't so great.


However the Arabs and Muslims claim they will conquer Europe with migration.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdsQGhiBkSI

[ButlerKing]

The muslims are freaking crazy. Another muslim scholar even said non-muslim men should beheaded and enslaved where as European women should be raped



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDfACr-y4s

[Blackfyre]

Is the Arab world the foundation of the European civilisation? No...
We have all those inventions, both of a practical and theoretical kind made by the ancient Greeks and Romans. Enter the middle ages, that is, the 5th century, where barbarians raged across Europe, most of these inventions were kept safe in the Middle East, which later became the center of the Arab World (much of the Arab science then was extremly Hellenistic). It is a fact that the Arab-Islamic World of the middle ages was the center of science, due to a much more liberal and tolerant approach to scientists (some arab scholars of that time were even openly atheist). Christians, muslims, atheists and all others flocked to them, and worked with them there, until again, Europe arose to become the center of science in the renaissance, and keep the possition later on.
IN short, you can think of science as money. The "money" from Greece and Rome went to the Arab "bank", where it was kept and few more funds were added before returning the "money" back to us. Thus again, the Arab "bank" is not the source of our wealth, but never the less, played a role in helping us keep our wealth. Today, we are sitting on a huge fortune, while the Arab "bank", mostly, bankrupted.

[Lusos]

However the Arabs and Muslims claim they will conquer Europe with migration.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdsQGhiBkSI


Fear not.
I'm not afraid.I'm anxious to fight the pigs.

[Smeagol]

Lol, it's the other way around. Arab civilization was influenced very heavily by Greek and Roman civilization, and not just that, but it was also influenced by the people they conquered, Persians, Mesopotamians, etc.. Arabs have hardly ever had an original idea, or invention of their own.

[Petalpusher]

Second, Arabs introduced in Europe through Iberia science and technology mostly from Byzantines and Persians they found when their conquered their territories.

Exactly, for sure the most striking mathematical and astronomical breakthroughs were acquired through conquests. The first Astrolab and the anticythera were ancient Greeks inventions. The myth of Arabs inventing astronomy is still floating around. They made some maps, fine tuned some observations but based on foreign technologies and transcripted knowledges.

[ButlerKing]

First, is bullshit that Arab ruled Iberia for 700 years. 700 years after their invasion they only kept Granada, a small vassal state.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Spanish_reconquista.gif

Second, Arabs introduced in Europe through Iberia science and technology mostly from Byzantines and Persians they found when their conquered their territories.


Every Arab comment on youtube always claim how they advance europe.

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

" From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, which was then at its cultural peak. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic. Also of note is the reception of advances in astronomy and mathematics made in the Islamic world during the 10th century, such as the development of the astrolabe. "

[ButlerKing]

Lol, it's the other way around. Arab civilization was influenced very heavily by Greek and Roman civilization, and not just that, but it was also influenced by the people they conquered, Persians, Mesopotamians, etc.. Arabs have hardly ever had an original idea, or invention of their own.


So is wikipedia bias? the page make sound as if Europe could never have been what they are today without being Advance by the Arab muslims.

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

" From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, which was then at its cultural peak. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic. Also of note is the reception of advances in astronomy and mathematics made in the Islamic world during the 10th century, such as the development of the astrolabe. "

[ButlerKing]

Is the Arab world the foundation of the European civilisation? No...
We have all those inventions, both of a practical and theoretical kind made by the ancient Greeks and Romans. Enter the middle ages, that is, the 5th century, where barbarians raged across Europe, most of these inventions were kept safe in the Middle East, which later became the center of the Arab World (much of the Arab science then was extremly Hellenistic). It is a fact that the Arab-Islamic World of the middle ages was the center of science, due to a much more liberal and tolerant approach to scientists (some arab scholars of that time were even openly atheist). Christians, muslims, atheists and all others flocked to them, and worked with them there, until again, Europe arose to become the center of science in the renaissance, and keep the possition later on.
IN short, you can think of science as money. The "money" from Greece and Rome went to the Arab "bank", where it was kept and few more funds were added before returning the "money" back to us. Thus again, the Arab "bank" is not the source of our wealth, but never the less, played a role in helping us keep our wealth. Today, we are sitting on a huge fortune, while the Arab "bank", mostly, bankrupted.


What do you have to say about this wikipedia ? is it bias or misinterpretation?


Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

[Lusos]

"" From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, which was then at its cultural peak. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic. Also of note is the reception of advances in astronomy and mathematics made in the Islamic world during the 10th century, such as the development of the astrolabe. "

Meanwhile within those 2 centuries (And more) this was the reality.

http://static.tumblr.com/3f4518e42d5818db99e2aa60cfbca409/g8kaypx/7o4mn2p19/tumblr_static_kingdom-of-heaven-dc-bd-dts-1080p-2005_mkv-00004.jpg

[ButlerKing]

"" From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, which was then at its cultural peak. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic. Also of note is the reception of advances in astronomy and mathematics made in the Islamic world during the 10th century, such as the development of the astrolabe. "

Meanwhile within those 2 centuries (And more) this was the reality.

http://static.tumblr.com/3f4518e42d5818db99e2aa60cfbca409/g8kaypx/7o4mn2p19/tumblr_static_kingdom-of-heaven-dc-bd-dts-1080p-2005_mkv-00004.jpg


Transmission of science and maths

" The Islamic world made important advances in science, such as in algebra, chemistry, geology, spherical trigonometry, etc. which were later also transmitted to the West.[1][5] "

[Empecinado]

Every Arab comment on youtube always claim how they advance europe.

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

" From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, which was then at its cultural peak. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic. Also of note is the reception of advances in astronomy and mathematics made in the Islamic world during the 10th century, such as the development of the astrolabe. "

The rediscovery of ancient classic texts was done by the Mozarabs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozarabs) who knew Greek because they used it in their liturgy and were able to translate it to Latin and Arabic.

[Hubal]

Gypsies and Punjabis (the elite of the Aryan master race) are the real founders of all civilizations on earth

[Insuperable]

Fuckin idiot just keeps going into circles even after he got all the answers he needs.

[Instinct]

I just can say "Hmmmmmm"

The people have created many civilizations in Mesopotamia and Anatolia but can't say the same thing for Arabian peninsula where was full of Beduin Tribes.

And Europeans are living in peace and freedom I guess this is important to know for now instead of checking the past.

[Empecinado]

Actually, the Dark Ages started in 300 AD, and since the time of Augustus the stagnation in economic and technical, scientific was patent. The High Middle Ages suffered the inertia of a period of decline that had begun much earlier, compounded by invasions and plagues that occurred almost continuously from the time of Marcus Aurelius to 1000. The darkest moment of the night is just before the first light of dawn are sighted.

Still we must not forget the existence of the Eastern Roman Empire with great intellectuals in the Middle Ages. The Hagia Sophia and the Cathedral of Burgos are far superior to the Roman buildings, for example. Byzantines influenced East Europe (it's a pity that many churches have been lost in the WW2) and even Vikings played a role developing new trading routes using the great rivers.

On the other hand the Middle Ages did not break with the culture and Greco-Roman political organization, but transformed it. It was obvious the admiration for the Roman Empire, always trying to imitate it (Germanic Holy Roman Empire, Charlemagne, Byzantine Empire etc) .Santo Thomas Aquinas philosophy was based upon Aristotle and many classic Greek authors were well known in the centers of knowledge (monasteries and universities).

From the 12th century in Europe appear new agricultural techniques and degree of urbanization than never had the Roman Empire (a good example would be the Hanseatic league or the villas y ciudades of Castile). By this time also are founded the first universities. So you can argue that Medieval era was a dark age for Europe, but only till 1100.

[Petalpusher]

So is wikipedia bias? the page make sound as if Europe could never have been what they are today without being Advance by the Arab muslims.

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

" From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, which was then at its cultural peak. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic. Also of note is the reception of advances in astronomy and mathematics made in the Islamic world during the 10th century, such as the development of the astrolabe. "

the Astrolab was invented and developped by Hipparque, Ptolémée like in 200-100 BC..and you are talking about things we ve rediscovered after the 10-15th centuries through translations..

Any dummy today would be able to make a map of the solar system with modern telescopes, some basic triangulation, and a manual. Copernic, Galilée, Kepler, or Newton made all the gigantic leap forward after that, in the blink of an eye, compared to what Arabs managed to figure for centuries based on others knowledges.

[Smeagol]

So is wikipedia bias? the page make sound as if Europe could never have been what they are today without being Advance by the Arab muslims.

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

" From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, which was then at its cultural peak. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic. Also of note is the reception of advances in astronomy and mathematics made in the Islamic world during the 10th century, such as the development of the astrolabe. "

Yes, the Muslims influenced Europe during this period (High Middle Ages), but most of these Muslims were not Arabs anyway, and the Muslims themselves were influenced very heavily by the Greeks, and Romans, and by the non-Arab Peoples they conquered, in Persia, Mesopotamia, Levant, Egypt, etc.. The most important influences the Muslims had on Europe, as even you're source mentions were the rediscoveries of the Classic Greco-Roman texts, and the Greeks, and Romans were Europeans who influenced the Arabs/Muslims. Also, the Muslims in Spain were mainly converted native Iberians, and their descendants, the ethnic Arabs, and Berbers were a minority.

[Linet]

Dark ages = middle age of Europe.

According to BBC history channel. It talked about plague, rats and lices that killed many Europeans. Economy deterioration, the decline of the Roman empire, the rise of the Muslim surpassing christianity in everything and was a time when Europe suffered endless invasions from North Africa, Middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia.

BBC has made series about great civilisations and i have watched most of them....http://www.animated-smileys.com/emoticons/animated-smileys-television-007.gif
When i watched the arabic one, i was very surpriced to "learn" that astrolaber is an "arabic invention" http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6826.gif ....on top the "clever" university student :loco:, explained how the word astrolaber is arabic and means star-holder (either thats Greek and she was totaly wrong http://vz.iminent.com/vz/f8033e42-36a1-4f24-b63b-185f471dcc51/2/ooops-emoticon.gif, either i suddently started understanding arabic :lightbul: )...later on they explained how the greatest ever invention of the Arabs was the distiller, without which we wouldnt have benzin for our cars and perfumes....so i suppose the distiller the ancient Greeks had was different color and didnt count :stop: .....

.....they seemed pretty desperate to find things to present them like the Arabs created them. The truth is the Arabs read about the distiller and astrolaber, recreated them and then gave them to the rest of Europe through their expantion...so yes, in your place i wouldnt believe BBC on everything...