Is An "Aquiline" Nose (And Mid-Facial Projection) In Modern Humans A Neanderthal Feature?

[Anglojew]

An aquiline nose (also called a Roman nose or Hook nose) is a human nose with a prominent bridge, giving it the appearance of being curved or slightly bent. The word aquiline comes from the Latin word aquilinus ("eagle-like"), an allusion to the curved beak of an eagle.

http://images.rapgenius.com/c260ccb093ae90b245d74dfe3ed8a408.416x600x1.jpg

Although the aquiline nose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquiline_nose) is met among people from nearly every nation in the world, it is most frequent in certain ethnic groups originating from Southern Europe, the Middle East, North Africa, the Horn of Africa and South Asia. Various writers in the field of racial typology assign aquiline noses to different peoples. According to a racial anthropologist Jan Czekanowski, they are most frequent amongst the Oriental race and Armenoid race. However, it is also often seen in the Mediterranean race and Dinarid race, where it is known as the "Roman nose" when found amongst Italians, the French and Spanish. Others, however, such as racial theorist and econimist William Z. Ripley, argue that the aquiline nose is characteristic of Teutonic peoples.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-P5n4g1g6sUE/T_zSP-LQOLI/AAAAAAAAC_Y/xCbDc19Xq0M/s1600/David%252BTaylor%252BNRL%252BRd%252B1%252BRoosters %252Bv%252BRabbitohs%252BcYrfAHi3BLsl.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Class_I_nose.svg

In racialist discourse, especially that of post-Enlightenment Western scientists and writers, the occurrence of a Roman nose (in an individual or a people) frequently serves as a marker of beauty and nobility, but the thought itself is found in Plutarch already, in his description of Mark Antony. Conversely, among Nazi racialists the aquiline nose was characteristic of Jews. However, Maurice Fishberg in Jews, Race and Environment (1911) cites widely different statistics to deny that the aquiline nose (or "hook nose") is in any way characteristic of Jews, but rather to prove that this type of nose occurs in all peoples of the world. The supposed science of physiognomy, popular during the Victorian era, made the "prominent" nose a marker of Aryanness: "the shape of the nose and the cheeks indicated, like the forehead's angle, the subject's social status and level of intelligence. A Roman nose was superior to a snub nose in its suggestion of firmness and power, and heavy jaws revealed a latent sensuality and coarseness".


http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4firxmAAE1rwe7koo1_500.jpg

Is an aquiline nose and mid-facial projection in modern humans a neanderthal feature?

http://mtdata.ru/u9/photo7E2C/20781132856-0/huge.jpeg

http://mariecachet.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/neandercraneprofil2.jpg

[Bloodnigger]

Not necessarily neanderthal, but it is reported in very early populations in some cases or theories.

[Rudel]

Pretty much the only feature I wish I had. A Roman nose confers authority.

[Merida]

Pretty much the only feature I wish I had. A Roman nose confers authority.

Really? Not the most attractive feature, though.

[Han Cholo]

Really? Not the most attractive feature, though.

I find it attractive, unless you end up looking literally like an eagle.

[Bloodnigger]

Pretty much the only feature I wish I had. A Roman nose confers authority.

Ehh, depends really.

[Argentano]

Really? Not the most attractive feature, though.

:worried1:

[Merida]

I find it attractive, unless you end up looking literally like an eagle.

You mean in girls?

I like straight noses in general.

[Merida]

:worried1:

yeah, because your profile pic screams 'aquiline nose' lol . :rolleyes:

[Anglojew]

I have an archetypal roman nose. I've always found it interesting that (at least in Britain) it was associated with aristocrats. I wonder if this means its a Norman feature?

[War Chef]

I can't say strongly enough how much I prefer a girl with a bump on her nose, and overall bigger nose than what's considered ideal. I think it's just a weird fetish of mine and many guys would disagree.

[Anglojew]

The other theory is -if we subscribe to the theory of Holy Blood, Holy Grail- that it was originally a Jewish trait. According to the book the Jewish aristocrats -after the fall of Jerusalem-moved to France and intermarried with the Merovingians from whom most French, British and many other European aristocrats descend.

According to the book (or possibly the sequel or another similar book), they vowed to retake Jerusalem in 1000 years. 1000 years later their descendants were the most powerful French aristocrats and the pope and this was the reason to for the crusades and the Knights Templar (to retake the Temple treasure and bring it back to the families in Europe). This might explain the association between aquiline noses and aristocracy. Then again it might just go back to the Romans.

[Anglojew]

I can't say strongly enough how much I prefer a girl with a bump on her nose, and overall bigger nose than what's considered ideal. I think it's just a weird fetish of mine and many guys would disagree.

I think it adds character.

[armenianbodyhair]

It's an ugly feature.

[Han Cholo]

It's an ugly feature.

It actually looks good. One member (PowerPaw, who is inactive) had a very nice roman nose, a bit low bridged (which makes it more harmonical in a female).

[armenianbodyhair]

It actually looks good. One member (PowerPaw, who is inactive) had a very nice roman nose, a bit low bridged (which makes it more harmonical in a female).

Yeah it can look good on some people. Never actually saw her pic btw.

[Mark]

It actually looks good. One member (PowerPaw, who is inactive) had a very nice roman nose, a bit low bridged (which makes it more harmonical in a female).
I agree, it can. But these things are very subjective anyway and I don't believe their is one deciding factor for ugly vs beauty; it comes down to and individual preference.

[Anglojew]

Claudia Black (the woman I used as an example in the original post) a Jewish-Australian actress is a good example:

http://michellesinclair.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/aeryn.jpg

[Bloodnigger]

I have an archetypal roman nose. I've always found it interesting that (at least in Britain) it was associated with aristocrats. I wonder if this means its a Norman feature?

It's associated with both dinarids and armenoids too. I've also seen germans with it so I wouldn't restrict it to southern populations alone, much like the greek nose. As I said, it is tied to the neolithic migrations as far as I know. Nose names in general are many times badly coined like some phenotype classifications.

Whereas others are not. (you won't find europeans with an arabid nose or at least I've never seen any)

[Anglojew]

Gisele Bundchen was a good example before her nose job. I prefer he with a "bump".

http://2ny121asil.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/giselenosejob1.jpg

[Gauthier]

I have an archetypal roman nose. I've always found it interesting that (at least in Britain) it was associated with aristocrats. I wonder if this means its a Norman feature?

In Mexico many people associate the "Aquiline" nose with Amerindians, specifically Aztecs and Mayas.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/PBIk7O.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/exPBIk7Oj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/911/Q7XbTE.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pbQ7XbTEj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/742/FAltzz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/kmFAltzzj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/I5mkq2.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyI5mkq2j)

[Anglojew]

In Mexico many people associate the "Aquiline" nose with Amerindians, specifically Aztecs and Mayas.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/PBIk7O.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/exPBIk7Oj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/911/Q7XbTE.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pbQ7XbTEj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/742/FAltzz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/kmFAltzzj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/I5mkq2.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyI5mkq2j)

No doubt Denisovan or possibly proto-Caucasid (Neanderthal proper) admixture.

[War Chef]

I think it adds character.

Yeah, it looks noble.

[Kale]

Yeah probably, just look at the facial profiles.
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[Bloodnigger]

Yeah probably, just look at the facial profiles.
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Are you sure that's an african skull?

[Äijä]

I have one, it is pretty common here, in general I have been classified East Baltid by Dombra and Hweinlant.

[Kale]

Are you sure that's an african skull?

Nope, but it looks pretty African to me.

[Bloodnigger]

Nope, but it looks pretty African to me.

Looks awfully more close to the 'thal skull than the euro does.

As a 'thal I take offense.

[Kale]

Looks awfully more close to the 'thal skull than the euro does.

As a 'thal I take offense.

One word, prognathism. Case closed.

[Fear Fiain]

Really? Not the most attractive feature, though.

glad I didn't get that from my dad, lol

[Ianus]

I have one

[JeanBaMac]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4firxmAAE1rwe7koo1_500.jpg

Is an aquiline nose and mid-facial projection in modern humans a neanderthal feature?

http://mtdata.ru/u9/photo7E2C/20781132856-0/huge.jpeg

http://mariecachet.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/neandercraneprofil2.jpg

I think that an aquiline nose is mostly an Aurignacian (proto-Caucasoid) feature rather than Cro-Magnon or Neanderthalian. It's common among Corded Nordid, Irano-Afghanid, Taurids (Dinarids), Arabids and to a lesser extent Atlantids and Mediterranids, all being phenotypes of Aurignacian derivation.
(Taurids/Dinarid are mostly brachycephalized Aurignacians)

[TCDA1986]

I don't have any idea where it originates, it seems nobody does, there are just hyoptheses (NOT theories) about it...

I see it more in Argentina than in UK/Ireland though (the countries which I know to a reasonable level) and mostly when I see it in Britain, it is on foreigners, usually Italian or Spanish.

I did not see it too much in Germany or Sweden either.

If combined with "prominent" features, it doesn't seem to noticeable...if the person has small or "sharp" features then it can make the person look quite severe IMO.

[TCDA1986]

In Mexico many people associate the "Aquiline" nose with Amerindians, specifically Aztecs and Mayas.


it's interesting I have a friend from DF who looks pure Aztec (tall, robust, big round face) and he has this nose.

[Anglojew]

I think that an aquiline nose is mostly an Aurignacian (proto-Caucasoid) feature rather than Cro-Magnon or Neanderthalian. It's common among Corded Nordid, Irano-Afghanid, Taurids (Dinarids), Arabids and to a lesser extent Atlantids and Mediterranids, all being phenotypes of Aurignacian derivation.
(Taurids/Dinarid are mostly brachycephalized Aurignacians)

Good points. That's probably very accuate and would explain why some (especially Northern American) Native-Americans have the feature.

[StormBringer]

Does this count as "aquiline"?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/thumb/5/52/Stevan_Sindjelic2.jpg/250px-Stevan_Sindjelic2.jpg
They think this is his skull, located in what remains of Skull Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Tower).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Stevan_Sinđelić_skull.jpg

Robert E. Howard seems to have been enthralled with "aquiline" features from what I remember in Conan novels.Not sure how is that relevant to anything. :D

[Anglojew]

it's interesting I have a friend from DF who looks pure Aztec (tall, robust, big round face) and he has this nose.

Is he Silvid?

[Anglojew]

Does this count as "aquiline"?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/thumb/5/52/Stevan_Sindjelic2.jpg/250px-Stevan_Sindjelic2.jpg
They think this is his skull, located in what remains of Skull Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Tower).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Stevan_Sinđelić_skull.jpg

Robert E. Howard seems to have been enthralled with "aquiline" features from what I remember in Conan novels.Not sure how is that relevant to anything. :D

Interesting because, from memory, Conan was (meant to be) a Cimmerian who were related to the Scythians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians

[Anglojew]

I don't have any idea where it originates, it seems nobody does, there are just hyoptheses (NOT theories) about it...

I see it more in Argentina than in UK/Ireland though (the countries which I know to a reasonable level) and mostly when I see it in Britain, it is on foreigners, usually Italian or Spanish.

I did not see it too much in Germany or Sweden either.

If combined with "prominent" features, it doesn't seem to noticeable...if the person has small or "sharp" features then it can make the person look quite severe IMO.

The last refuge of the Neanderthals was Spain. I did a thread about it;

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?82694-Are-Spaniards-fully-modern-Humans

[Dombra]

If aquiline noses came from Neanderthals then it would have occurred the most in CMs or even Australian Aborigines.

I think that it evolved at first with southern Europeans/mid east because they had the first civilizations and less need for practical traits. CMs, northern Europeans had to focus longer on survival and retained smaller or big and rounder noses. Aqualaine noses came later when they had time to think about aesthetics.

Inhabitants of jungles, tundras and other harsh climates have less occurrences of Roman noses as they struggled even longer. Hence my Siberian nose

[templumForasticus]

Yeah probably, just look at the facial profiles.
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Amazing

The first head appears australoid.
It didn´t know Africans were dolichocephalic.

African
Asian
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Neanderthal

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=50588&d=1410326462
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[Anglojew]

If aquiline noses came from Neanderthals then it would have occurred the most in CMs or even Australian Aborigines.

I think that it evolved at first with southern Europeans/mid east because they had the first civilizations and less need for practical traits. CMs, northern Europeans had to focus longer on survival and retained smaller or big and rounder noses. Aqualaine noses came later when they had time to think about aesthetics.

Inhabitants of jungles, tundras and other harsh climates have less occurrences of Roman noses as they struggled even longer. Hence my Siberian nose

Aboriginies aren't pure Denisovans. Many australoids have this trait such as Papuans;

http://richard.stanaway.net/gallery/people/LTzbo04_jerry.jpg

I don't subscribe to the view CMs are gracile Neanderthals personally. I think they're different and had noses more like this:

http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ollikahn-1908820.jpg

[albosomething]

I think people with aquiline noses have struggled too, after all majority of them lived in the mountains

[Not a Cop]

If aquiline noses came from Neanderthals then it would have occurred the most in CMs or even Australian Aborigines.

I think that it evolved at first with southern Europeans/mid east because they had the first civilizations and less need for practical traits. CMs, northern Europeans had to focus longer on survival and retained smaller or big and rounder noses. Aqualaine noses came later when they had time to think about aesthetics.

Inhabitants of jungles, tundras and other harsh climates have less occurrences of Roman noses as they struggled even longer. Hence my Siberian nose

Oberkassel actually had aquiline nose.

[LightHouse89]

Pretty much the only feature I wish I had. A Roman nose confers authority.

LOL Romanphile.

[Sikeliot]

Funny thing is "Roman" noses as we think of them are almost nonexistent in Iberia, and in France have nothing to do with Roman expansion at all but were probably always present there.

[Itarildë]

I know one person with an "Aquiline nose" and she is half Armenian and half English. It's a beautiful, striking feature on her. I on the other hand have a small snub/celestial nose... which is pretty common where I am from.

[Anglojew]

I know one person with an "Aquiline nose" and she is half Armenian and half English. It's a beautiful, striking feature on her. I on the other hand have a small snub/celestial nose... which is pretty common where I am from.

Does she look aristocratic?

http://thesteepletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Laura-Carmichael.png

Downton Abbey Actress Laura Carmichael

[Bloodnigger]

Does she look aristocratic?

http://thesteepletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Laura-Carmichael.png

Downton Abbey Actress Laura Carmichael

Looks middle class, kinda like evola or Aggelos Sikelianos.

I always imagined nobility as something like this (http://puu.sh/bwwQu.jpg), straight noses and dark beards.

[Anglojew]

Looks middle class, kinda like evola or Aggelos Sikelianos.

I always imagined nobility as something like this (http://puu.sh/bwwQu.jpg), straight noses and dark beards.

Not in Northern Europe

A good place to look at aristocratic British phenotypes is here:

http://www.tatler.com/bystander

[Bloodnigger]

Not in Northern Europe

A good place to look at aristocratic British phenotypes is here:

http://www.tatler.com/bystander

Oh wow, there's a lot of women with aquiline noses. Almost all of them in fact.

I always imagined british nobility like Lord Byron (http://www.poemofquotes.com/lordbyron/lord-byron.jpg)

[Äijä]

I also have the Morton's toe, I could be a statue.

[Stimpy]

This neanderthal reconstruction of 60,000 year old neanderthal La Chapelle-aux-Saints 1 has a pretty aquiline nose.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com.es/medio/2013/04/25/dsc0016_1910x1444.jpg

[neanderthaltraveller]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4firxmAAE1rwe7koo1_500.jpg

Is an aquiline nose and mid-facial projection in modern humans a neanderthal feature?

http://mtdata.ru/u9/photo7E2C/20781132856-0/huge.jpeg

http://mariecachet.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/neandercraneprofil2.jpg

almost all the Neanderthal skulls you see hava a damaged nasal bone area that has been poorly re-constructed,
the most common error in re-constructions is in putting an Asian or negroid style nose on Neanderthals which they simply did not have, the aquiline nose is found in every racial group that has Neanderthal admixture, especially in Western Europe, Southern Europe and the middle east.

[spanish catalan]

aquiline nose is one adaptation of mountain regions,have origin in Taurus mountains(Anatolia)

[Cristiano viejo]

aquiline nose is one adaptation of mountain regions,have origin in Taurus mountains(Anatolia)

Altiplane Amerindians (overall) are famous by their aquiline noses and I have many doubts about their origin in Anatolia :rolleyes:

[Linebacker]

Not really,Neanderthals had short and broad(fleshy) noses.

[Raikaswinþs]

I have an archetypal Jewish nose. I've always found it interesting that (at least in Britain) it was associated with aristocrats. I wonder if this means its a Norman feature?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD2pOtRGaG4

[Ardell]

I think the Aquiline nose definitely evolved to provide mid-face protection.

I was drinking a few weeks back and I got really light headed and passed out.

I woke up with blood in my mouth, a nosebleed and a bad cut on my nose and on the side of my head near my right zygomat.
I was just outside the glass door so I must have hit my nose and head on the way down to the deck.
My philtrum area took a big hit but it seemed like I took the blow really well. 3-4 days later and all the cuts on my face were virtually healed. Only soreness was in my upper jaw/philtrum area and it's almost completely gone.
I was actually amazed at how fast I healed, 2 weeks later and all I have to show is the cut above my right zygomat. Maybe my aquiline nose and prognathism helped me take the hit?

[RMuller]

Aquiline noses is a masculine trait. It was considered a nobility trait among the Aztecs.

[RMuller]

In Mexico many people associate the "Aquiline" nose with Amerindians, specifically Aztecs and Mayas.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/PBIk7O.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/exPBIk7Oj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/911/Q7XbTE.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pbQ7XbTEj)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/742/FAltzz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/kmFAltzzj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/I5mkq2.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyI5mkq2j)

Alot of the Conquistadors had Aquiline Convex noses. It's a masculine trait. I don't think men with concave noses would have made good soldiers.:rolleyes:

[RMuller]

Is he Silvid?

If his Mexican friend is suppose pure Aztec then he is more likely Pueblid.

[Grab the Gauge]

It's a masculine trait.

Common misconception. This is actually a female trait.

[RMuller]

Common misconception. This is actually a female trait.

Nope.Aquiline noses are of warrior races.

[Grab the Gauge]

Neanderthals had concave noses. Their nasal shape also doesn't resemble Caucasoids and more closely resembles modern tropical people (broad nose, guttered nasal sills, shovel shaped nasal cavity).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rpa692yy99I/Tsf_-CIgh0I/AAAAAAAAAfU/L2eZay59epI/s640/Screen+shot+2011-11-19+at+11.12.54.png

Neanderthal compared to modern Levantine:

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/01/29/world/29FOSSILWEB/29FOSSILWEB-articleLarge.jpg

Midfaciwl prognathism occurs when the alveolar region and the nasal process and the glabella are all located in an anterior and fore-aft position. All of Anglojew's busts are flat faced.

[Antimage]

Common misconception. This is actually a female trait.

xD

[FeederOfRavens]

Alot of the Conquistadors had Aquiline Convex noses. It's a masculine trait. I don't think men with concave noses would have made good soldiers.:rolleyes:

Spaniards are mostly straight nosed, the early 16th century conquistadors probably were as well.

[Grab the Gauge]

Nope.Aquiline noses are of warrior races.

Lol, you have to feel sorry for the people who say this all the time as if it was their one redeeming feature... knowing all well their ancestors are totally defeated, raped, victimized.

[RMuller]

Lol, you have to feel sorry for the people who say this all the time as if it was their one redeeming feature... knowing all well their ancestors are totally defeated, raped, victimized.

My Chichemeca ancestors were never conquered and Aquiline noses are common among the Chichimeca's a noble fierce warrior race.

[Grab the Gauge]

Not really talking about the Indians, but about just about everyone with a "convex" nose, whether they are Roman, Jew, Mexico-America war, etc. All of them got their asses kicked.

[RMuller]

Spaniards are mostly straight nosed, the early 16th century conquistadors probably were as well.

Alot of Sefardi Jews came with the Spaniards and many aquiline noses among the Spanish conquistadors.

Don Juan De Onate of Converso Jewish-Basque blood.:thumb001:
http://cdn.diariojudio.com/files/2012/07/art2078_11.jpg

http://diariojudio.com/opinion/the-jewish-converso-lineage-of-don-juan-de-onate-ha-levi-family/5724/

[RMuller]

Not really talking about the Indians, but about just about everyone with a "convex" nose, whether they are Roman, Jew, Mexico-America war, etc. All of them got their asses kicked.

My Chichemeca ancestors were never conquered and Aquiline noses are common among the Chichimeca's a noble fierce warrior race.

[Grab the Gauge]

Hey buddy your chichicaca ancestors got ground up in to dog food and are now being sold in stores as Purina Pet Chow.

[FeederOfRavens]

Alot of Sefardi Jews came with the Spaniards and many aquiline noses among the Spanish conquistadors.

Don Juan De Onate of Converso Jewish-Basque blood.:thumb001:
[img]http://cdn.diariojudio.com/files/2012/07/art2078_11.jpg[/

http://diariojudio.com/opinion/the-jewish-converso-lineage-of-don-juan-de-onate-ha-levi-family/5724/

Basques do have a higher ratio of nasal convexity than other Spaniards and and Jews do as well, but the latter group is still predominantly straight nosed and there probably wasn't that many Sephardis.

[Carlito's Way]

Aquiline nose is common among the mexican population, never really noticed it until recently looking through barbershop pictures of mexican areas

http://i.imgur.com/RG61mbZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M9C8mNc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eU1rbUb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QBYEkq5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ptwJWo3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U0JMZun.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7gO4Lv6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/87XoF7A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FLSCONM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oCBh4Kk.jpg
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11752463_484592735042889_549361318825744828_n.jpg? oh=75212efaccff630f8f58a7f3940e16d0&oe=567DBBFD
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[RMuller]

Basques do have a higher ratio of nasal convexity than other Spaniards and and Jews do as well, but the latter group is still predominantly straight nosed and there probably wasn't that many Sephardis.

Their was plenty of Sefardic Jews that arrived in Mexico. Their was a higher ratio of Aquiline noses among the Spanish conquistadors than the general Spanish population. Aquiline nose is a warrior masculine trait= higher testesterone levels.

[Profileid]

CAW CAW

[Grab the Gauge]

Their was plenty of Sefardic Jews that arrived in Mexico. Their was a higher ratio of Aquiline noses among the Spanish conquistadors than the general Spanish population. Aquiline nose is a warrior masculine trait= higher testesterone levels.

Conquistadors did not, in fact, have convex noses. That bust of Oñate was made long after he died.

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/userfiles/image/category5_species_1913_large_4.jpg

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/record_species.php?id=1913

[RMuller]

Conquistadors did not, in fact, have convex noses. That bust of Oñate was made long after he died.

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/userfiles/image/category5_species_1913_large_4.jpg

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/record_species.php?id=1913

The natives called the conquistadors banana noses because of their aquiline convex noses.

[Grab the Gauge]

Skull of Francisco Pizzaro

https://fgcu.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/fgcu:26866/datastream/JPG/view

http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/fall2000/maxey/pizzaroskull.jpg

Looks absolutely nothing like his postmortem portraits.

[Longbowman]

The other theory is -if we subscribe to the theory of Holy Blood, Holy Grail- that it was originally a Jewish trait. According to the book the Jewish aristocrats -after the fall of Jerusalem-moved to France and intermarried with the Merovingians from whom most French, British and many other European aristocrats descend.

According to the book (or possibly the sequel or another similar book), they vowed to retake Jerusalem in 1000 years. 1000 years later their descendants were the most powerful French aristocrats and the pope and this was the reason to for the crusades and the Knights Templar (to retake the Temple treasure and bring it back to the families in Europe). This might explain the association between aquiline noses and aristocracy. Then again it might just go back to the Romans.

all of this is wrong

[FeederOfRavens]

Aquiline nose is a warrior masculine trait= higher testesterone levels.

Then Straight Noses must be even more masculine and even more of a warrior trait because the vast majority of fighters/soldiers/warriors in any given period of European history had straight nasal profiles.

[Grab the Gauge]

The natives called the conquistadors banana noses because of their aquiline convex noses.

Which makes no sense, since they themselves had convex noses and had never seen a banana before. LMFAO.

[FeederOfRavens]

Skull of Francisco Pizzaro

https://fgcu.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/fgcu:26866/datastream/JPG/view

http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/fall2000/maxey/pizzaroskull.jpg

Looks absolutely nothing like his postmortem portraits.

In the 16th and 17th century it must of been in fashion to be portrayed with an aquiline nose(it was considered a noble trait or something).

[Grab the Gauge]

Yeah and not just that, the facial proportions were all wrong.

http://totallyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Francisco-Pizarro.jpg

Look how narrow they made his face and jaw. His skull has a wide jaw, wide face. This motherfucker was a Cro Magnon. The people who made these paintings must have never even seen Pizarro.

[RMuller]

Then Straight Noses must be even more masculine and even more of a warrior trait because the vast majority of fighters/soldiers/warriors in any given period of European history had straight nasal profiles.

Europeans now and days have very low testeterone levels. You are way below replacement levels .

[Anglojew]

all of this is wrong

Incorrect.

[Longbowman]

Incorrect.

Let's see:

List of contentions:

Roman noses are Jewish - obviously not. Besides you have statues of Europeans with Roman noses from before the first century
Roman noses were introduced to Europe by Jews - obviously not, see above plus the fact the 'Jewish nobility' didn't randomly move en masse to France. One of Herod's kids was expelled there but nobody liked him.
Most European aristocrats descend from the Merovingians - well, partially, I assume so, but most of their blood is from other sources
The Jews vowed to take Jerusalem in a millennium's time - retarded nonsense without any back up, as if they sang 'ha'millenium haba'ah b'yerushalayim'
The Crusades were done for this reason - you haven't read anything about the Crusades
'Then again, they might just be Roman' - I doubt they pertain to any one ethnic group.

So you're zero for six.

[Teja]

Skull of Francisco Pizzaro

https://fgcu.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/fgcu:26866/datastream/JPG/view

http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/fall2000/maxey/pizzaroskull.jpg

Looks absolutely nothing like his postmortem portraits.
That guy was cro magnon as fuck.

[Grab the Gauge]

He was a mother fucking cro nigga magnon. A CRO-NIGGA-MAG-NON.

[Peter Nirsch]

Pretty much the only feature I wish I had. A Roman nose confers authority.

It depends, to women it confers a transexual look IMHO.

http://www.drvasisht.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/nose-surgery.jpg

[Anglojew]

Let's see:

List of contentions:

Roman noses are Jewish - obviously not. Besides you have statues of Europeans with Roman noses from before the first century
Roman noses were introduced to Europe by Jews - obviously not, see above plus the fact the 'Jewish nobility' didn't randomly move en masse to France. One of Herod's kids was expelled there but nobody liked him.
Most European aristocrats descend from the Merovingians - well, partially, I assume so, but most of their blood is from other sources
The Jews vowed to take Jerusalem in a millennium's time - retarded nonsense without any back up, as if they sang 'ha'millenium haba'ah b'yerushalayim'
The Crusades were done for this reason - you haven't read anything about the Crusades
'Then again, they might just be Roman' - I doubt they pertain to any one ethnic group.

So you're zero for six.

Conjecture.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Are Keltid-Nordid/Dinarid noses considered Aquiline or are they just long but straight(usually don't see the bump of the Roman nose on 'em)?

[Mosquitozzz]

Are you sure that's an african skull?

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https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=68608&d=1507897650
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=68607&d=1507897620

[Anglojew]

Human Male African-American Skull
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This human skull has a combination of features that suggests the individual was a male of African ancestry. Some of the features consistent with African ancestry are a projecting profile, a depressed nasal root, an obtuse nasal angle, a short anterior nasal spine, a bilateral gutter at the lower part of the nasal aperture, a somewhat rectangular-shaped palate, and blade-like incisors in the upper jaw. Features of this skull suggestive of male are a square chin, a broad ascending mandibular ramus, somewhat rough nasion, rounded supraorbital margins, and moderate prominence of the cranial sites for musculofascial attachment. An osteological evaluation report detailing the assessment of sex, ancestry and other aspects of the skull is available (BC-203-Report) and will be sent with the purchase of the product. 2-part skull (separate cranium & jaw).
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https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=68608&d=1507897650
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=68607&d=1507897620

This is lower-face Prognathism typical of Negrids, Monkeys & other primates, nothing to do with mid-face projection.

[Finnish Swede]

Really? Not the most attractive feature, though.

Exactly. I have to agree.

[LostSoul]

I have an aquiline nose, my mother was surprised, because she has a quite straight nose. I apparently received that nose after my father.

[Übermensch]

Aquiline nose is both long and narrow,on the other hand neanderthal noses were both long and broad.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101564&d=1597066817

Is this aquiline?
Got this bumpy nose, from both sides of the family.

[PaleoEuropean]

Most likely just a leftover from I.E's mixing with Iranians.