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silver_surfer
09-10-2014, 01:33 PM
Atheist must swear to God -- or leave US Air Force

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Washington (AFP) - The US Air Force has told a sergeant he will have to leave the military unless he agrees to take an oath with the phrase "so help me God," officials said Tuesday.

In the latest religious controversy to roil the air force, the atheist airman last month was denied his request to re-enlist because of his refusal to swear to God -- and he is now poised to take the military to court, his lawyer said.

"We have not received word from the Air Force regarding our letter. It has not indicated a willingness to settle out of court," said Monica Miller, an attorney for the American Humanist Association, which has taken up the service member's case.

With the deadline for re-enlisting expiring in November, the technical sergeant at Creech Air Force base in Nevada -- whose name has not been released -- will be forced to sue the government in a federal court, Miller told AFP.

In the past, an airman could opt for an alternative phrase and omit the words "so help me God," but the US Air Force changed its policy in October 2013.

The other branches of the American military do not require the reference to God and make the phrase optional.

"This is the only branch to my knowledge that's actually requiring everyone in all instances to use the religious language," Miller said.

The requirement violates the US Constitution, which bars religious tests to hold office or other positions, Miller said of the case, which was first reported by the Air Force Times.

"The government cannot compel a nonbeliever to take an oath that affirms the existence of a supreme being," she said.

The sergeant's service expires in November and he has until then to re-enlist and take the oath, said US Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek.

In the meantime, "a written legal opinion is being requested" from the Pentagon's top lawyer, she said.

The air force has been plagued by controversy for years over religion and the role of Christian evangelists.

The US Air Force Academy in Colorado faced accusations several years ago that evangelical Christians exerted a dominating influence over the institution.

But attempts to counter the perceived bias in the service have sparked criticism from Christian activist groups, who allege a new rule stifles the religious expression of troops.

The disputed rule bars commanders from promoting their religious convictions to their subordinates.

Advocates of the policy say it protects troops who worry their careers could be jeopardized if they do not take part in their superior's Christian activities.

Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-must-swear-god-leave-us-air-force-232153866.html)

curupira
09-15-2014, 08:43 PM
Unbelievable!


The US Air Force has told a sergeant he will have to leave the military unless he agrees to take an oath with the phrase "so help me God," officials said Tuesday.

Gustave H
09-15-2014, 09:05 PM
Screw that, I'd leave.

Seraph of the End
09-15-2014, 09:15 PM
Like it's a big deal. You don't have to believe in what you say :p. They're making a big deal out of it.

Minesweeper
09-15-2014, 09:17 PM
Like it's a big deal. You don't have to believe in what you say :p. They're making a big deal out of it.

Because most of the atheists are intolerant of religion.

Hubal
09-15-2014, 09:18 PM
The military sucks anyway

Seraph of the End
09-15-2014, 09:22 PM
Because most of the atheists are intolerant of religion.

I noticed. But it's not like they're asking them to pray or believe in God.
Atheists can be really troublesome >.<

Sakis
09-15-2014, 09:24 PM
God bless America.

Sakis
09-15-2014, 09:26 PM
I noticed. But it's not like they're asking them to pray or believe in God.
Atheists can be really troublesome >.<

What matters is that they don't respect his ideas.

Minesweeper
09-15-2014, 09:27 PM
I noticed. But it's not like they're asking them to pray or believe in God.
Atheists can be really troublesome >.<

It only shows how intolerant they are when it comes to religion even if we speak about religion as part of tradition, as something you don't have to accept, just to say the damn four words and they can't do even that much.

Styrian Mujo
09-15-2014, 09:27 PM
Because most of the atheists are intolerant of religion.
I consider myself an atheist but I would say the words in a heartbeat if I had too.

Minesweeper
09-15-2014, 09:32 PM
I consider myself an atheist but I would say the words in a heartbeat if I had too.

Exactly, like that is some sort of problem. It doesn't mean you accept God.

Sakis
09-15-2014, 09:35 PM
Exactly, like that is some sort of problem. It doesn't mean you accept God.

It is against his beliefs though.

Linebacker
09-15-2014, 09:36 PM
Kastrioti should go teach them how to swear to god.

Instinct
09-15-2014, 09:37 PM
Because most of the atheists are intolerant of religion.

Are you sure?

mikhail
09-15-2014, 09:40 PM
They don't have to believe what they say, what's the big deal?

Sakis
09-15-2014, 09:42 PM
They don't have to believe what they say, what's the big deal?

That they don't respect his beliefs.Would you pray to Allah?It's not a big deal.

Minesweeper
09-15-2014, 09:42 PM
It is against his beliefs though.

Yes but we have to swallow our pride sometimes and formally saying four words is not such a heavy price to pay if you decided to enlist.


Are you sure?

Pretty much.

mikhail
09-15-2014, 09:46 PM
That they don't respect his beliefs.Would you pray to Allah?It's not a big deal.

He lives in a predominantly Christian society. It is one of the norms of the very society he lives in, it's no big deal.

Sakis
09-15-2014, 09:50 PM
He lives in a predominantly Christian society. It is one of the norms of the very society he lives in, it's no big deal.

It seems that it is a big deal for him,it goes against the freedom of religion.

JoeyGee8688
09-15-2014, 09:58 PM
You don't join the military to express your individuality; the very opposite is true, in fact.

turkojew
09-15-2014, 10:03 PM
I noticed. But it's not like they're asking them to pray or believe in God.
Atheists can be really troublesome >.<

we do not behead people, muslims do. we did not persecute scientists, christians did. we do not live for gold, jews do. we are not the troublesome ones. you believers are.