23andme result for Greek from Thessaloniki!

[Sikeliot]

He plots on Global Similarity just a tiny bit north from me, right near where I plot.

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[Sikeliot]

Why is he plotting north of me I wonder? I am like 2 spaces down.

[Vojnik]

He has less Balkan and more eastern European then me. Hahaha.

[Casandrinos]

He has less Balkan and more eastern European then me. Hahaha.

Do you plot right there too?

[cally]

Why 11% Italian?

[Stefan_Dusan]

Why 11% Italian?

I think Italian is error by their calculator, essentially Balkan component is really slavicized Italian.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Do you plot right there too?

Similar north/south but Vojnik is much more west.

[Casandrinos]

Similar north/south but Vojnik is much more west.

Is this common for Macedonian Slavs?

I though they were more northern and eastern.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Is this common for Macedonian Slavs?

I though they were more northern and eastern.

Vojnik is atypically west and south for the Macedonian slavs I have on my 23andMe. However there are Macedonian slavs even south of him. I haven't seen a Macedonian slav more west than him so far though.

[Casandrinos]

Vojnik is atypically west and south for the Macedonian slavs I have on my 23andMe. However there are Macedonian slavs even south of him. I haven't seen a Macedonian slav more west than him so far though.

So an atypically northern plotting Greek matches with an atypically southern S.Macedonian/Bulgarian.

Makes sense to me.

[Vojnik]

Vojnik is atypically west and south for the Macedonian slavs I have on my 23andMe. However there are Macedonian slavs even south of him. I haven't seen a Macedonian slav more west than him so far though.

Same here. I wonder what it means to be west of other Macedonians and other Balkanites in general......:confused:

[Stefan_Dusan]

Same here. I wonder what it means to be west of other Macedonians and other Balkanites in general......:confused:

Join the club my west plotting bro :D

It means our SNPs have shorter distance to those of western europeans than are other Balkan cousins. Why this is is another story.

[Casandrinos]

Same here. I wonder what it means to be west of other Macedonians and other Balkanites in general......:confused:

It means you are a Roman offspring xD

[HellLander87]

Same here. I wonder what it means to be west of other Macedonians and other Balkanites in general......:confused:
it means that you are part of the macedono-gothic orthodox race.:D

[Sikeliot]

A lot of northern Greeks plot in the area around me, so I am not surprised by this one.

[Stefan_Dusan]

A lot of northern Greeks plot in the area around me, so I am not surprised by this one.

You have other components that non European like your Canarian as well as very northern Polish. A half Pole, half Black will plot more south than any european, but that doesn't mean he has least slavic blood xD

[Casandrinos]

A lot of northern Greeks plot in the area around me, so I am not surprised by this one.

But you are a mixture of various ethnicities

[Sikeliot]

You have other components that non European like your Canarian as well as very northern Polish. A half Pole, half Black will plot more south than any european, but that doesn't mean he has least slavic blood xD

I am not Canarian at all. You mean Cape Verdean, which is 1/8 of me and I am only 2% African.

The point of what I was saying is, my admixture places me close to mainland Greeks. Iberian, Sicilian and Slav.

[poiuytrewq0987]

I think Italian is error by their calculator, essentially Balkan component is really slavicized Italian.

Not likely. Lots of Albanians score 90-100% Balkan which suggests ... it's not Slavicized anything.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Not likely. Lots of Albanians score 90-100% Balkan which suggests ... it's not Slavicized anything.

Just embrace ur a Slav and not a paleo balkanic and u will be much happier self hater

[Casandrinos]

Not likely. Lots of Albanians score 90-100% Balkan which suggests ... it's not Slavicized anything.

23andme is not to be trusted

especially the Balkan-Italian-Mena variables

[poiuytrewq0987]

Just embrace ur a Slav and not a paleo balkanic and u will be much happier self hater

Fuck off. You're just butthurt that you're not as Slavic as a Russian so you try to explain it away by claiming Balkan scores = Slavic.

[Scholarios]

Why do you think it is strange? A person from Greek Macedonia plots near a guy who is quarter Polish and half South Italian. Sounds about right. Also, look into Greek and Vlach men taking Bulgarian/Slav wives since 18th Century even in rural Macedonia as well as Serbian migration into Macedonian hinterland up until the 19th Century (they were escaping their constant dispossession from Albanian Muslims in Kosovo). Obvious observation is obvious.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Why do you think it is strange? A person from Greek Macedonia plots near a guy who is quarter Polish and half South Italian. Sounds about right. Also, look into Greek and Vlach men taking Bulgarian/Slav wives since 18th Century even in rural Macedonia as well as Serbian migration into Macedonian hinterland up until the 19th Century. Obvious observation is obvious.

Stefan Dusan forgets that the whole idea of Slavic-ness as a racial concept never existed. It has always been a linguistic group. One created, ironically enough, by us BULGARIANS aka Tartar sauce from teh Volga through our literary schools. If we score any "Slavic" as in Russian/Polack then that would show up as Eastern European on ancestry tests. Stefan Dusan is just expressing his insecurity for scoring high Balkan. It's understandable as most Serbs are obsessed with "Slavdom" because of an intense Russian fetishism that's present in Serbia.

[Sikeliot]

It's not that surprising to me now since I have seen one or two even plotting north of me, or directly overlapping with me.

[Scholarios]

Stefan Dusan forgets that the whole idea of Slavic-ness as a racial concept never existed. It has always been a linguistic group. One created, ironically enough, by us BULGARIANS aka Tartar sauce from teh Volga through our literary schools. If we score any "Slavic" as in Russian/Polack then that would show up as Eastern European on ancestry tests. Stefan Dusan is just expressing his insecurity for scoring high Balkan. It's understandable as most Serbs are obsessed with "Slavdom" because of an intense Russian fetishism that's present in Serbia.

I have no problem with either point of view. I know that Florin Curta claimed the Slavic ethnogenesis only took place when the "barbarians" crossed the Danube in the 6th Century, but there does seem to be some component that isn't "native" Balkan-- it's just figuring out exactly what that is. In addition, Balkan Slavs have a lot of stuff that has been around in South Balkans since antiquity...especially those from Macedonia, Rhodope and Black Sea Bulgaria, and Croatian Coast. I usually find the moderate answer is closest to the truth.

[Sikeliot]

Also it is not a coincidence that I pass better as Greek than do my relatives on any one side. :lol:

[poiuytrewq0987]

I have no problem with either point of view. I know that Florin Curta claimed the Slavic ethnogenesis only took place when the "barbarians" crossed the Danube in the 6th Century, but there does seem to be some component that isn't "native" Balkan-- it's just figuring out exactly what that is. In addition, Balkan Slavs have a lot of stuff that has been around in South Balkans since antiquity...especially those from Macedonia, Rhodope and Black Sea Bulgaria, and Croatian Coast. I usually find the moderate answer is closest to the truth.

One thing that's apparent is the Eastern European Slavs were a minority in the Balkans. I'm not dismissing Eastern European influence on the Balkan populations but countries like Macedonia or Bulgaria? Those countries can be seen as an extension of Greece because we look very Southern European and that means what it means - not Slavic/Russian/Polack. A lot of Serbs look Southern European/Balkan too. Their only real contribution was language which most of the Balkans adopted save for the Albanians and Greeks.

[Highlands]

I don't think I've seen any Greeks or Albanians scoring more med than me. :)

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I don't think I've seen any Greeks or Albanians scoring more med than me. :)

Because you're one of us babe. ;)

Use your Medship wisely.

[Sikeliot]

One thing that's apparent is the Eastern European Slavs were a minority in the Balkans. I'm not dismissing Eastern European influence on the Balkan populations but countries like Macedonia or Bulgaria? Those countries can be seen as an extension of Greece because we look very Southern European and that means what it means - not Slavic/Russian/Polack.

It's present in all of them (Greeks too but to a smaller extent than Slavic Balkan countries) but not the dominant component. Still, it shows to some degree.

[Casandrinos]

I don't think I've seen any Greeks or Albanians scoring more med than me. :)

Aren't you Hellanderoid + North Italian in these calcs? xD

[Highlands]

Aren't you Hellanderoid + North Italian in these calcs? xD

I have Hellanderoid northern components but also higher med components -- idk why. lol

[Black Wolf]

23andme is not to be trusted

especially the Balkan-Italian-Mena variables

Indeed the results of Ancestry Composition are not very refined. I have seen French and Dutch people score around 30% British and Irish while none of them have any known British or Irish ancestry.

[Casandrinos]

I have Hellanderoid northern components but also higher med components -- idk why. lol

You have everything at its finest <3

Seriously I don't think they can be accurate

[poiuytrewq0987]

It's present in all of them (Greeks too but to a smaller extent than Slavic Balkan countries) but not the dominant component. Still, it shows to some degree.

Maybe but my travels in the Balkans has informed me of only one thing and that's the Slavic/Eastern European component is NOT dominant in the region at all. We just look Balkan but that's not to say you won't find peoples of all types in the region. I've been to Belarus before and I saw a bunch of types from light Slavs to woggy Slavs (black hair, brown eyes) but you could still tell they were from the area. We don't look anything like East Slavs at all and West Slavs? Even less unless you're from Slovenia since West-Europid influence is extremely strong there and could lead to a pseudo-West Slavic look.

[solaris]

He has less Balkan and more eastern European then me. Hahaha.

can you show me your results? just curious.