Where else as a group can these Greek women pass?

[Sikeliot]

From Chios, an Aegean island.

http://archive.alithia.gr/images/image/athlitika/2013/NOX_NEES_GYNAIKES_POLO_2013.jpg

[Bloodnigger]

Add a couple of blonds and they are practically a typical greek class from the mainland.

But I would recon Apulia from what I've seen there.

[Sikeliot]

Other thoughts?

[Tooting Carmen]

Southern Italy, Western Turkey and Cyprus.

[Hadouken]

Turkey , Armenia , Georgia

btw. Kylie ...a lot of them can pass in most of turkey ....we arent negroids in the east xD

[Sikeliot]

Turkey , Armenia , Georgia


Based on my understanding of Armenian phenotypes, I'd disagree.

[Tooting Carmen]

Turkey , Armenia , Georgia

btw. Kylie ...a lot of them can pass in most of turkey ....we arent negroids in the east xD

I know you're not Negroids, but Eastern Turks resemble Iranians and even some Arab groups considerably more than they do Greeks.

[Hadouken]

Based on my understanding of Armenian phenotypes, I'd disagree.

3-4

not as a group

as a group they wouldnt fit in turkey either :)

[Hadouken]

I know you're not Negroids, but Eastern Turks resemble Iranians and even some Arab groups considerably more than they do Greeks.

northwest iranians (Azeris) yes

what do you mean with Arab groups ?

[Tooting Carmen]

northwest iranians (Azeris) yes

what do you mean with Arab groups ?

Levantines, Iraqis and even some Saudis.

[Sikeliot]

To me eastern Turks look more like Armenians and Iranians, western Turks more like Greeks and other Mediterranean people. I have seen pictures of people from eastern Turkey and the difference is visible.

[Hadouken]

Levantines, Iraqis and even some Saudis.

:picard1:

okay

I think I know better how Anatolians look since I am one but believe what you want

[Sikeliot]

Saudi might be a stretch, but eastern Anatolians definitely don't look Greek. They look closer to Persians by far.

[Tooting Carmen]

:picard1:

okay

I think I know better how Anatolians look since I am one but believe what you want

From what I gather, some Northern Saudis look little different to Iraqis and even some Syrians. But I agree most of Arabia is a lot darker.

[Hadouken]

From what I gather, some Northern Saudis look little different to Iraqis and even some Syrians. But I agree most of Arabia is a lot darker.

not only darker (pigmentation is secondary) but they are very "Arab" looking ...ask Alberta how Saudis look

they dont even look like most Syrians ...and we are in the North of Syria and arent even Arab(ized) ...lmao

eastern Anatolians(turks and kurds both included) lookwise overlap the most with the following : Armenians , northwest Iranians, Azeris , (to a certain extent) Georgians , Syrians

btw. I dont want to be misundersood ...I just want to tell you how it is ....nothing against Saudi looking people

I also dont want to hijack this thread ...sorry Sikeliot

this is what Saudis look like

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/4324584415_96cc6866c5_z_zpscac56f40.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/4989459506_87f2c6ea4b_b_zps0d4715ab.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/4288722720_0c63ea7dac_z_zps42b92b43.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/385807774_c63a2e0614_o_zps6969fd69.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/5094367131_7ee5382bf8_b_zps74fb9fb0.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/2859927428_a142d7fcc9_b_zps68cb8737.jpg


http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/3475234529_0ebafdd2bb_b_zpsa58b4949.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/4351273116_fb33554e1d_z_zpsc962ab14.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/1133120380_fc4e9dffa0_o_zpsfb5939dc.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/6340158491_520808c5b0_b_zpsaa92b8fc.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/1436543020_1cfb6be56d_o_zps328351a9.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/5695599909_0dc898368d_b_zps9e91bc0b.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/385844262_bf4091109f_z_zps4e4bdda6.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6136/5966803346_cc3d66818d_z.jpg

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/246515499_7a6b9a7ab6_b_zpsf041b09d.jpg


http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1200795!/image/1304573307.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_475/1304573307.jpg

http://earabgirls.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Rabiya-580x725.jpg

http://www.bankerinthesun.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Saudi-Girl-in-Riyadh.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/84/232573339_d3b1f27b2b.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Saudi-Arabias-first-woman-film-maker-Haifaa-Al-Mansour-via-AFP.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

OK point taken. Btw, these ones are surely East African or South Asian immigrants though. http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/5554622630_7275abde11_b_zps37677645.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway returning to topic, the OP women look more exotic than the Greeks who Sikeliot usually posts.

[Hadouken]

OK point taken. Btw, these ones are surely East African or South Asian immigrants though. http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/5554622630_7275abde11_b_zps37677645.jpg

well Saudi Arabia is big so not sure about them

btw. the people I am showing you were posted in another forum by a person who knows a lot about Arabs (part Arab himself)

here more saudis (who are said to be typical)

they cant pass in eastern Anatolia at all ....not even atypical

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/4304475890_eb5dc00919_z_zps94e7058d.jpg
http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/5695560353_a9b9e58024_b_zps322996ab.jpg
http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/5600050906_90449c7f3a_b_zps59a9a197.jpg
http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/5633334939_614095893a_b_zps6cca98cc.jpg
http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/Aizadara/7060770801_b659b6b3f6_k_zps48fe49b7.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Date_City_in_Buraidah_5.JPG

[Sakis]

Anyway returning to topic, the OP women look more exotic than the Greeks who Sikeliot usually posts.

What is exotic about them?

[Tooting Carmen]

What is exotic about them?

Their facial features, the lack of light hair/eyes considering it is a large group of European women...

[Sakis]

Their facial features, the lack of light hair/eyes considering it is a large group of European women...

Do these girls look non European to you?And why do you connect light hair and eyes with looking European like every European has light hair and eyes?

[RandoBloom]

Do these girls look non European to you?And why do you connect light hair and eyes with looking European like every European has light hair and eyes?

Because Europeans away from places which had contact with non-Europeans have such features?

[Tooting Carmen]

Do these girls look non European to you?And why do you connect light hair and eyes with looking European like every European has light hair and eyes?

1 or 2 look non-European. Also, I meant that, among such a large gathering of Europeans, one would expect to see more people with light hair and eyes than in the OP photo.

[Sakis]

Because Europeans away from places which had contact with non-Europeans have such features?

Explain.

[Sakis]

1 or 2 look non-European. Also, I meant that, among such a large gathering of Europeans, one would expect to see more people with light hair and eyes than in the OP photo.

First of all you can't see their eye color and secondly the majority has medium brown hair.Don't tell that the average European is blonde.

[RandoBloom]

Explain.

Why is it that people from isolated places, Iceland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden have very light features.
And the closer we move to the middle east and africa the darker the features become, culminating with Spaniards, Greeks, Bulgarians and Sicilians.

[Sakis]

Why is it that people from isolated places, Iceland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden have very light features.
And the closer we move to the middle east and africa the darker the features become, culminating with Spaniards, Greeks, Bulgarians and Sicilians.

Isn't it obvious that the climate has something to do about it?Was there any chance for the Northern European to be black haired and olive skinned?

[Hadouken]

Why is it that people from isolated places, Iceland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden have very light features.
And the closer we move to the middle east and africa the darker the features become, culminating with Spaniards, Greeks, Bulgarians and Sicilians.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/gl%25C3%25BCckliche-sonne-24547897.jpg

[RandoBloom]

Isn't it obvious that the climate has something to do about it?Was there any chance for the Northern European to be black haired and olive skinned?

And are you sure mixing with Levantines didnt influence Greek coloration? You know how common population transfers were in Byzantine times and before?
Are you sure Arab and jewish population of Sicily had no influence on color of its todays inhabitants?
Are you sure Moors had nothing to do with Spanish darkness?

[RandoBloom]

Greeks, Sicilians and Spaniards are naturaly dark and born dark.
Sun has nothing with it.

[Nolo]

Greeks, Sicilians and Spaniards are naturaly dark and born dark.
Sun has nothing with it.

That's funny coming from a dark swarthy Bosnian Balkanite. Why don't you add Bosnian to your list?

[RandoBloom]

That's funny coming from a dark swarthy Bosnian Balkanite. Why don't you add Bosnian to your list?

Check my classification thread.
Stop being butthurt over the facts

[Tooting Carmen]

First of all you can't see their eye color and secondly the majority has medium brown hair.Don't tell that the average European is blonde.

I'm not saying at all that the average European is blonde. What I am saying is that, in most other countries in Europe - including Spain and Italy - an equivalent random gathering would display a greater variety of (natural) hair colours than in the OP photo, where most of them have dark brown (never mind medium brown) hair.

[Hadouken]

Greeks, Sicilians and Spaniards are naturaly dark and born dark.
Sun has nothing with it.

people adapt to the climate over many years

so of course there will be a natural difference between an Icelander and a southern Euro pigmentation wise (but not as much as you make out to be either) ....this applies for all humans

[Sakis]

And are you sure mixing with Levantines didnt influence Greek coloration? You know how common population transfers were in Byzantine times and before?
Are you sure Arab and jewish population of Sicily had no influence on color of its todays inhabitants?
Are you sure Moors had nothing to do with Spanish darkness?

Dude you have a nordocentric way of thinking.Paleolithic Europeans were much darker than today's northern Europeans.There are depictions of Ancient Greeks with brownish skin it has nothing to do with non European admixture.The sunlight activates melanin don't tell anyone it's a secret.

[Nolo]

Check my classification thread.
Stop being butthurt over the facts

It doesn't matter about your classification thread swarthy Ottoman Bosnian. When people think of white and European Bosnian isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind

[Sakis]

I'm not saying at all that the average European is blonde. What I am saying is that, in most other countries in Europe - including Spain and Italy - an equivalent random gathering would display a greater variety of (natural) hair colours than in the OP photo, where most of them have dark brown (never mind medium brown) hair.

Hair and eye color has nothing to do with looking European or not.

[RandoBloom]

people adapt to the climate over many years

so of course there will be a natural difference between an Icelander and a southern Euro pigmentation wise (but not as much as you make out to be either) ....this applies for all humans

Then I should be dark as an Arab since its 40+ degrees here



Dude you have a nordocentric way of thinking.Paleolithic Europeans were much darker than today's northern Europeans.There are depictions of Ancient Greeks with brownish skin it has nothing to do with non European admixture.The sunlight activates melanin don't tell anyone it's a secret.

And there are depictions of greeks with charcoal black skin
When Alexander conquered Persia what did he do?
Ordered all of his soldiers to marry Persian women.
When there was a risk of revolt in Greek provinces what did Greeks do?
Transfer and move the population somewhere else.
Brought Syrians or Lebanese to Greece or Bulgaria, and took Greeks and moved them there, to calm revolts
Its a common and recorded practice and events

[RandoBloom]

It doesn't matter about your classification thread swarthy Ottoman Bosnian. When people think of white and European Bosnian isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind

And when I think of Morroccan, a spaniard is a first thing that comes to mind.
Now stop derailing the thread

[Sakis]

Then I should be dark as an Arab since its 40+ degrees here




And there are depictions of greeks with charcoal black skin
When Alexander conquered Persia what did he do?
Ordered all of his soldiers to marry Persian women.
When there was a risk of revolt in Greek provinces what did Greeks do?
Transfer and move the population somewhere else.
Brought Syrians or Lebanese to Greece or Bulgaria, and took Greeks and moved them there, to calm revolts
Its a common and recorded practice and events

:rotfl:Where do you get these things from?And why do you changed the subject?Was there any chance for northern European to be brown skinned?And if not why?

[Hadouken]

Then I should be dark as an Arab since its 40+ degrees here






it is so hot where you are because you are writing with me

no homo

[Nolo]

And when I think of Morroccan, a spaniard is a first thing that comes to mind.
Now stop derailing the thread

You derailed the thread with your retarded list of Europeans that don't supposedly look white while suspiciously leaving out SWARTHY OTTOMAN bosnians

[RandoBloom]

:rotfl:Where do you get these things from?And why do you changed the subject?Was there any chance for northern European to be brown skinned?And if not why?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/12/08/books/review/08COATES/08COATES-articleInline.jpg

http://www.library.eiu.edu/exhibits/Greece/images/vase-exekias-ARTstor2.jpg

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_14.130.12.jpg

As I said vases and art pieces are not places to find historical looks of a people.

No there wasnt any chance, due to isolation.

[RandoBloom]

You derailed the thread with your retarded list of Europeans that don't supposedly look white while suspiciously leaving out SWARTHY OTTOMAN bosnians

I derailed the thread by telling the truth?
The only rason you are upset right now is because you know its true.
You walk out and see all the brown Spaniards and ask yourself: "Is this Europe"
Your definition of palenes or swathiness due to religion doesnt interest me in the least

[Nolo]

I derailed the thread by telling the truth?
The only rason you are upset right now is because you know its true.
You walk out and see all the brown Spaniards and ask yourself: "Is this Europe"
Your definition of palenes or swathiness due to religion doesnt interest me in the least

It has nothing to do with religion. I don't care about any religion unlike you fundamental radical muslim Bosnians who of course got it from your middle eastern ancestors

[RandoBloom]

It has nothing to do with religion. I don't care about any religion unlike you fundamental radical muslim Bosnians who of course got it from your middle eastern ancestors

You dont care about religion.
Then when told to check out what Bosniaks look like you refuse, stating religion.
Why am I not amazed.

[Queen B]

Τhere is nothing exotic about these girls.
They are just average looking teenagers.
Dark to light brown hair, and a 2 or 3 light eyed ones.

[Sakis]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/12/08/books/review/08COATES/08COATES-articleInline.jpg

http://www.library.eiu.edu/exhibits/Greece/images/vase-exekias-ARTstor2.jpg

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_14.130.12.jpg

As I said vases and art pieces are not places to find historical looks of a people.

No there wasnt any chance, due to isolation.

:picard2:Hahaha,that's what happens when you lack knowledge.This was a style of painting.


The history of Ancient Greek pottery is divided stylistically into five periods:

the Protogeometric from about 1050 BC
the Geometric from about 900 BC
the Late Geometric or Archaic from about 750 BC
the Black Figure from the early 7th century BC
and the Red Figure from about 530 BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_art

What isolation dude?:picard2:Do you know how northern Europeans would look like today if they were isolated since the paleolithic age?

[Ctwentysevenj]

I say southern Italy and Spain

[Tooting Carmen]

While I still maintain that most Greeks just look like near-uniformly brunette Europeans (including those in the OP), the Middle Eastern admixture (West Asian + East Med + Red Sea) is circa 30%, one of the highest figures in Europe. It is undeniable that more Greeks can pass in the Caucasus, Turkey and the Levant than anywhere in Europe further North than Romania, Central Italy and Catalonia.

[RandoBloom]

:picard2:Hahaha,that's what happens when you lack knowledge.This was a style of painting.


The history of Ancient Greek pottery is divided stylistically into five periods:

the Protogeometric from about 1050 BC
the Geometric from about 900 BC
the Late Geometric or Archaic from about 750 BC
the Black Figure from the early 7th century BC
and the Red Figure from about 530 BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_art

What isolation dude?:picard2:Do you know how northern Europeans would look like today if they were isolated since the paleolithic age?

And that is my point. That you cant use art to show what peope looked liked.
Now you react as if I am claiming Greeks to be black due to vase paintings XD

And Paleolithic is a long period of time.
2.6 milion years ago.
They would look like apes if they were isolated all that time.
Whats your point?

[Nolo]

I say southern Italy and Spain

Why do you equate only "southern Italy" with Spain? Let me guess, your Italian?

[Nolo]

You dont care about religion.
Then when told to check out what Bosniaks look like you refuse, stating religion.
Why am I not amazed.

Sure, whatever you say. Yeah why aren't you amazed? Your retarded so you should be easily amused

[RandoBloom]

Sure, whatever you say. Yeah why aren't you amazed? Your retarded so you should be easily amused

Butthurt is real :rofl:

[Sakis]

And that is my point. That you cant use art to show what peope looked liked.
Now you react as if I am claiming Greeks to be black due to vase paintings XD

And Paleolithic is a long period of time.
2.6 milion years ago.
They would look like apes if they were isolated all that time.
Whats your point?

My point is that you just like every nordicist don't accept that the Europeans were always different and you are trying to find a reason for that.Europe wasn't and isn't like China.

[RandoBloom]

My point is that you just like every nordicist don't accept that the Europeans were always different and you are trying to find a reason for that.Europe wasn't and isn't like China.

But the darkness appears only in places having contact with non-Europeans.
Look at Asia. The Malaysia, Vietnam and other Indo-China countries look like a mixture of indonesian and chinese population
Move nortwards and reach Mongol border and people look radicaly different in China.
Is it due to climate or due to mixing that the people change looks?

[Sakis]

But the darkness appears only in places having contact with non-Europeans.
Look at Asia. The Malaysia, Vietnam and other Indo-China countries look like a mixture of indonesian and chinese population
Move nortwards and reach Mongol border and people look radicaly different in China.
Is it due to climate or due to mixing that the people change looks?

Dude just look at a world map,the southern you go the darker the people are.Was there any chance for the blacks to be blonde and white skinned?How would they have survived in such a hot climate?Isn't it obvious that the northern Europeans are linked with the cold climate there?

[Tooting Carmen]

But the darkness appears only in places having contact with non-Europeans.

Actually, that isn't 100% true. There are native dark Brits and dark Germans like Gary Lineker and Matts Hummels. Only in Scandinavia and the Baltic countries (Lapps notwithstanding) are such dark phenotypes mostly if not entirely absent.

[RandoBloom]

Dude just look at a world map,the southern you go the darker the people are.Was there any chance for the blacks to be blonde and white skinned?How would they have survived in such a hot climate?Isn't it obvious that the northern Europeans are linked with the cold climate there?

So acording to you, whites in Africa, in case they never ever EVER mix with the native population there, will eventually become black themselves?

[Sakis]

So acording to you, whites in Africa, in case they never ever EVER mix with the native population there, will eventually become black themselves?

Have you ever heard of evolution?

[RandoBloom]

Have you ever heard of evolution?

Its a simple question. 1 000 000 Blonde, blue eyed norwegians move to Angola. They never mix.
Will they become black and impossible to distinguish from native Angolans as time goes on?

Evolution is process of development due to breeding.
You claimed that southern euro's are dark due to climate.

[TheGoldenSon]

They look like Turks.

[Sakis]

Its a simple question. 1 000 000 Blonde, blue eyed norwegians move to Angola. They never mix.
Will they become black and impossible to distinguish from native Angolans as time goes on?

Evolution is process of development due to breeding.
You claimed that southern euro's are dark due to climate.

Evolution is a process due to climate adaption and i have asked you many questions that you haven't answered.Isn't it obvious that pigmentation is linked with climate?Are the black haired Brits mixes with Arabs?

[Tooting Carmen]

Evolution is a process due to climate and i have asked you many questions that you haven't answered.Isn't it obvious that pigmentation is linked with climate?

Yes, but the correlation is far from absolute. After all, Japan, Korea and even much of China have a similar climate and latitude to Europe, so why don't they have the variation of hair and eye colours that Europeans have?

[Sakis]

Yes, but the correlation is far from absolute. After all, Japan, Korea and even much of China have a similar climate and latitude to Europe, so why don't they have the variation of hair and eye colours that Europeans have?

Because these are mutations that only happened to Europeans.

[RandoBloom]

Evolution is a process due to climate adaption and i have asked you many questions that you haven't answered.Isn't it obvious that pigmentation is linked with climate?Are the black haired Brits mixes with Arabs?

Please just answer simply
Yes over time a blonde, blue eyed 1 000 000 Norwegians who never mix with anyone, will look like Angolans
Or no they will not become black.

What question did you ask?

[Sakis]

Please just answer simply
Yes over time a blonde, blue eyed 1 000 000 Norwegians who never mix with anyone, will look like Angolans
Or no they will not become black.

What question did you ask?

Their pigmentation is surely going to change after thousands of years.Now answer me,isn't it obvious that northern Europeans are linked with the cold climate that they live in?Was there any chance for the northern Europeans to have originated from Africa?Would they look like how they look today if they had originated from Africa?Haven't you ever noticed that the people that work outdoors are darker than the ones that work indoors?

[RandoBloom]

Their pigmentation is surely going to change after thousands of years.Now answer me,isn't it obvious that northern Europeans are linked with the cold climate that they live in?Was there any chance for the northern Europeans to have originated from Africa?Would they look like how they look today if they had originated from Africa?Haven't you ever noticed that the people that work outdoors are darker than the ones that work indoors?

I guess we will never find out since not only is it cold climate, but isolation from north africa and middle east.
If I had identical brother, I spent all my life in my room with curtains on, and he spent all his time outside with his shirt off, yes he would be darker.
But when we were born we would be of same color. And his darkness would be aquired.

Also, if it was climate, Greeks should look like tanned versions of north Europeans.
They dont.
So either they have different origin
Or they mixed.

[Tooting Carmen]

Because these are mutations that only happened to Europeans.

Which shows that there are lots of factors besides climate that explain human physiological variation then. Furthermore, bordering populations can often look extremely different - Russians and Chinese, Indians and Chinese, Americans and Mexicans etc. and this usually has little if anything to do with climate.

[Sakis]

I guess we will never find out since not only is it cold climate, but isolation from north africa and middle east.
If I had identical brother, I spent all my life in my room with curtains on, and he spent all his time outside with his shirt off, yes he would be darker.
But when we were born we would be of same color. And his darkness would be aquired.

Also, if it was climate, Greeks should look like tanned versions of north Europeans.
They dont.
So either they have different origin
Or they mixed.

You are completely stuck up,you are a biased nordocentric.

[RandoBloom]

You are completely stuck up,you are a biased nordocentric.

What biased thing did I say?

Is it not true?

[Sakis]

Which shows that there are lots of factors besides climate that explain human physiological variation then. Furthermore, bordering populations can often look extremely different - Russians and Chinese, Indians and Chinese, Americans and Mexicans etc. and this usually has little if anything to do with climate.

Yes but that doesn't mean that people of the same race should look the same.

[RandoBloom]

Yes but that doesn't mean that people of the same race should look the same.

There are people with extremely long noses.
There are people with small hands
But the average should be mostly the same

[Sakis]

What biased thing did I say?

Is it not true?

You are biased because you give the northern Europeans as an example of how Europeans look like.If this is not bias then what it is?Do you think that 10,000 years ago all of the Europeans looked like northern Europeans.

[Sakis]

There are people with extremely long noses.
There are people with small hands
But the average should be mostly the same

Pure arabs are also fully caucasoid but the look nothing like Europeans.

[Queen B]

Please just answer simply
Yes over time a blonde, blue eyed 1 000 000 Norwegians who never mix with anyone, will look like Angolans
Or no they will not become black.
What question did you ask?
We are not talking about changing race, but pigmentation

Yes, but the correlation is far from absolute. After all, Japan, Korea and even much of China have a similar climate and latitude to Europe, so why don't they have the variation of hair and eye colours that Europeans have?

Koreans and Japanese are closer to (pigmentation wise) Kazakstani than they are to Cambodians or Maldivian.
The more san exposure, the more tanned.
And no, Seoul and Athens have NOT similar climate.


Also, if it was climate, Greeks should look like tanned versions of north Europeans.
They dont.
So either they have different origin
Or they mixed.
North Europeans themselves are different versions.

[RandoBloom]

You are biased because you give the northern Europeans as an example of how Europeans look like.If this is not bias then what it is?Do you think that 10,000 years ago all of the Europeans looked like northern Europeans.

Because they are far from migration paths and non-white peoples.
Who should I take as an example? Turks?


Pure arabs are also fully caucasoid but the look nothing like Europeans.

I dont think there exists a single pure arab

[Queen B]

You are biased because you give the northern Europeans as an example of how Europeans look like.If this is not bias then what it is?Do you think that 10,000 years ago all of the Europeans looked like northern Europeans.
Many Apricians confuse Aryan with European.

[Hithaeglir]

Bullshit as always.

They look generic southern euro.So southern europe,Balkans,West Turkey.

[RandoBloom]

We are not talking about changing race, but pigmentation


Koreans and Japanese are closer to (pigmentation wise) Kazakstani than they are to Cambodians or Maldivian.
The more san exposure, the more tanned.
And no, Seoul and Athens have NOT similar climate.

North Europeans themselves are different versions.

And?
If they will change pigmentation to addapt to climate, then they should be of the same color as the natives who are perfectly adapted to the climate - pitch black

Same if we move Blacks to Sweden and they dont mix, they should be as pale as Swedes acording to you.

What different versions?

[Sakis]

Because they are far from migration paths and non-white peoples.
Who should I take as an example? Turks?



I dont think there exists a single pure arab

Ok another example.Armenians are fully caucasoid,do they look like Scandinavians?Do you really believe that all of the Europeans looked the same some time ago?

[RandoBloom]

Ok another example.Armenians are fully caucasoid,do they look like Scandinavians?Do you really believe that all of the Europeans looked the same some time ago?

If Armenians are muslim they wouldnt be considered white.
They are cultural whites.
To me that doesnt matter at all

I guess we have different definitions of what is European

[Sakis]

If Armenians are muslim they wouldnt be considered white.
They are cultural whites.
To me that doesnt matter at all

I guess we have different definitions of what is European


Who spoke about culture and religion?We are talking about people of the same race and you said that the average people of the same race should be similar.Why Armenians don't look like Scandinavians?

[RandoBloom]

Who spoke about culture and religion?We are talking about people of the same race and you said that the average people of the same race should be similar.Why Armenians don't look like Scandinavians?

¸Because they arent European.
As I said, due to Armenian history and religion it is viewed as part of European population when objectively it is not.

[Queen B]

And?
If they will change pigmentation to addapt to climate, then they should be of the same color as the natives who are perfectly adapted to the climate - pitch black
Same if we move Blacks to Sweden and they dont mix, they should be as pale as Swedes acording to you.
What different versions?
Blacks are a different race you Einstein. And not a race that you can seek out pigmentation.
Look at Koreans and the Japanese, and look the people from Cambodia,Laos or Thailand. Is their skin color the same? Are both Asians or not?

If you want to say that Northern Europeans are more Aryan than Greeks or generally Southern Europeans, then, obviously, of course they are. But learn the difference between Aryan, European and Caucasian.

[Casandrinos]

Neolithics are more European than ''Aryans'' anyway

Northern Europe is around 15% White acording to my estimates.

Mad?

[Trun]

Chios is an island which geographically is located in Western Asia. It is considered Europe because it belongs to Greece.

Thus, considering its location it is normal that some people there look a bit oriental and the absence of light hair.

Here it is what a normal group from the southern part of the Europe (the continent, not periphery) should be like pigmentation wise. A few blondes among the brunettes.

http://uspeh.mon.bg/galeria2013/200237/38501.jpg

By the way, Hrulj, either post evidence of Syrians and Lebanese deported to Bulgaria or go to fuck your goats.

[RandoBloom]

Blacks are a different race you Einstein. And not a race that you can seek out pigmentation.
Look at Koreans and the Japanese, and look the people from Cambodia,Laos or Thailand. Is their skin color the same? Are both Asians or not?

If you want to say that Northern Europeans are more Aryan than Greeks or generally Southern Europeans, then, obviously, of course they are. But learn the difference between Aryan, European and Caucasian.

Is it just the skin color difference between southern asia (philipines, Malaysia, Indonesia) and Korea/Japan?
They dont look differently, just darkly/lightly colored depending on where they are

[Sakis]

¸Because they arent European.
As I said, due to Armenian history and religion it is viewed as part of European population when objectively it is not.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RACE NOT EUROPEAN HISTORY.ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

[Casandrinos]

Chios is an island which geographically is located in Western Asia. It is considered Europe because it belongs to Greece.

Thus, considering its location it is normal that some people there look a bit oriental and the absence of light hair.

Here it is what a normal group from the southern part of the Europe (the continent, not periphery) should be like pigmentation wise. A few blondes among the brunettes.

http://uspeh.mon.bg/galeria2013/200237/38501.jpg

By the way, Hrulj, either post evidence of Syrians and Lebanese deported to Bulgaria or go to fuck your goats.


Islanders are like pure Neolithics with little North Euro and MENA admixtrue overall.

If we assume the predominance of Neolithic genes define Southern Euros then you can't get more Southern Euro than that.

Ofc your girls look Southern European too just mixed with evil barbarian.

[Trun]

If we assume the predominance of Neolithic genes define Southern Euros then you can't get more Southern Euro than that.

I define Southern Europe as the mainland.

Islands like Sicily, Rhodes, Chios, Crete are more transcontinental.

And Pontics West Asian.

[Queen B]

Is it just the skin color difference between southern asia (philipines, Malaysia, Indonesia) and Korea/Japan?
They dont look differently, just darkly/lightly colored depending on where they are
They do look differently, a lot actually, and even Korean Japanese and Chinese look different
It is us, who think that they all look the same because of their chinky eyes.
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldlww1Jvp11qc4rvro1_500.jpg

Let me give an example as well.
Here is Michelle Phan and Bebexo (famous youtubers) . One is from Laos, or from Cambodia
http://celebsplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Michelle-Phan-plastic-surgery-before-and-after.jpg
https://yt3.ggpht.com/-XCv07u4cWbo/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/ebdvoGVjmRg/s900-c-k-no/photo.jpg

And this is Song Kye Hyo and Ueno Jury, a Korean and a Japanese actress.
http://tong.visitkorea.or.kr/cms/resource_etc/31/919831_image2_1.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img803/1307/20130305uenojuri.jpg

Their feautures are way different, yet, they are all Asians.

[Hadouken]

I define Southern Europe as the mainland.

Islands like Sicily, Rhodes, Chios, Crete are more transcontinental.

And Pontics West Asian.

Iceland is transcontinental to America :p

[Sakis]

http://tong.visitkorea.or.kr/cms/resource_etc/31/919831_image2_1.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img803/1307/20130305uenojuri.jpg

Their feautures are way different, yet, they are all Asians.

The only difference between these two is the hairstyle :laugh:

[Casandrinos]

I define Southern Europe as the mainland.

Islands like Sicily, Rhodes, Chios, Crete are more transcontinental.

And Pontics West Asian.

I define it by Neolithic genes since it's the European genes i associate with civilization

The more you have them the less barbarian you are.

So Pontics are more European than you and Bosniaks for sure. :laugh:

[Queen B]

The only difference between these two is the hairstyle :laugh:
Hahha, I disagree, but it proves my point.
Koreans and Japanese look closer to each other, and so are Cambodians and the Lao-whatever.
However, they all look Asian, all of them, even though they have different skin tone and different facial feautures.

[Instinct]

Southern Italy, Western Turkey and Cyprus.

There are many people who has pale skin from East Anatolia. I think people have to know that there isn't a serious skin color difference in regions of Turkey. Actually most of Eastern Anatolians are lighter than the people of Mediterrian coast and Central Anatolia.

(Eastern Anatolia is a highland/ mountanious area and known by its cold and long winters)

[Trun]

I define it by Neolithic genes since it's the European genes i associate with civilization

The more you have them the less barbarian you are.

So Pontics are more European than you and Bosniaks for sure. :laugh:

So Georgians, Armenians, Turks and Kurds are the tr00 Europeans? Because Pontics cluster near them.

By the way Northeners are carriers of civilization today, we are the barbarians.

[Tooting Carmen]

Looking at Trun's Bulgarian photo (along with many others), it is quite evident that, while far from being Nordic Gods themselves, there is a palpable difference even between Bulgarians and Greeks, despite being neighbouring European countries.

[Sakis]

So Georgians, Armenians, Turks and Kurds are the tr00 Europeans? Because Pontics cluster near them.

By the way Northeners are carriers of civilization today, we are the barbarians.

Italy has made much more technological contributions than all of the Scandinavian countries combined.

[Casandrinos]

So Georgians, Armenians, Turks and Kurds are the tr00 Europeans? Because Pontics cluster near them.

According to which official study?


By the way Northeners are carriers of civilization today, we are the barbarians.


Depends on what you consider civilized

[Trun]

According to which official study?

Is there any official study that isn't financially supported by a government? Not that I trust Dodecad and Eurogenes.

But I don't think someone looking like Count von Count is more European than Bulgarians.

What is more European anyway? If it is richer, with more achievements, Greeks are in the bottom half, Bulgarians in the bottom.

[Governor]

West Asia.Probably, Western Turkey, Mainland Greece also could be Levantine.I clearly see Alpinized face features.

[Sikeliot]

Funny thing is they all look totally European to me. Who cares if there is light hair or not? You also don't find much light hair in Andalusia or Calabria either.

[Trun]

Funny thing is they all look totally European to me. Who cares if there is light hair or not? You also don't find much light hair in Andalusia or Calabria either.

Because your idea of European is based on Sicilians.

[HellLander87]

They could pass at gypsy camps allover europe.

[Casandrinos]

Because your idea of European is based on Sicilians.

Come on, the girls look homogeneously woggy for European standards but have South.Euro features. (except 1-2)

Add some Slavovlachs and you get Bulgaria and VlachLander's village.

[Sikeliot]

They are homogenously pigmented, but I don't see how their facial traits are exotic at all.

[Bloodnigger]

And that is my point. That you cant use art to show what peope looked liked.
Now you react as if I am claiming Greeks to be black due to vase paintings XD

And Paleolithic is a long period of time.
2.6 milion years ago.
They would look like apes if they were isolated all that time.
Whats your point?


We have frescoes though.

http://puu.sh/bJkgd.jpg
http://puu.sh/bJkgH.jpg
http://puu.sh/bJkhv.jpg

We also have a bunch of quotes, like from Plato's Republic The dark/swarthy are valorous but the pale/white are beautiful which goes to point out that as far as pigmentation is concerned greece was always between northern europe and the middle east. Aka mediterannean. It's not rocket science my turkobosniac friend.

As for uv radiation:
http://puu.sh/bJkul.jpg

South italy, let alone Bosnia, couldn't hold a candle to the greek islands in terms of scorching sun.

[HellLander87]

Come on, the girls look homogeneously woggy for European standards but have South.Euro features. (except 1-2)

Add some Slavovlachs and you get Bulgaria and VlachLander's village.
i can show you pics from Vilanakis tsantir mahala.They look very similar.
In any case they look plain anatolian and they are very homogenous like cloned,probably they are all related.

[Trun]

Come on, the girls look homogeneously woggy for European standards but have South.Euro features. (except 1-2)

Add some Slavovlachs and you get Bulgaria and VlachLander's village.

But a lot more than a few Slavovlachs is needed for them to be the epitome of Europeaness in the eyes of 90% of world's population.

Which is more like Britain and Germany and even Scandinavia than Bulgaria or Greece.

Not that Bulgarians and Greeks don't look European on average but most people don't imagine a wog when asked of "European look".

I thought we speak of stereotypes here.

[LightHouse89]

Turkey? :p

[aimar]

Portugal easily, all of them.

[pelikarski]

Chios is an island which geographically is located in Western Asia. It is considered Europe because it belongs to Greece.

Thus, considering its location it is normal that some people there look a bit oriental and the absence of light hair.

Here it is what a normal group from the southern part of the Europe (the continent, not periphery) should be like pigmentation wise. A few blondes among the brunettes.

http://uspeh.mon.bg/galeria2013/200237/38501.jpg

By the way, Hrulj, either post evidence of Syrians and Lebanese deported to Bulgaria or go to fuck your goats.

This is one of the weirdest and unrepresentive groups I have seen. The contrast amazes me.

Hrulji, son of a Turkish cock loving arab raped whore, dont speak BS about the Bulgarians otherwise I am gonna expose how Nordic Boshitnaks are, swarthy triangle headed mongrel.


The grls in OP around 50% can fit indiviually in Bulgaria.