Iron Age Thracians results

[HellLander87]

I don't know if you guys have already seen this but anyway here is their admixture analysis at genetiker's blog.
http://genetiker.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/analyses-of-iron-and-bronze-age-bulgarian-genomes/
I will post only their Dodecad k7b k12b and dv3 results.Much more results at the blog.The results(especially T2G2 and v2) are very noisy because of few snps tested.The negroid and mongoloid admixture you see isn't real.
Most valuable are the p192-1 and k8 samples.
P192-1 pit thracian (800–500 BC) Svilengrad

K7b

75.63% Atlantic_Baltic
16.32% Southern
4.11% African
3.94% West_Asian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
K12b

45.82% Caucasus
26.87% Atlantic_Med
21.68% North_European
2.36% Sub_Saharan
2.01% Northwest_African
1.26% Siberian
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Gedrosia
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
dv3

42.86% Mediterranean
19.81% West_European
19.50% West_Asian
9.70% East_European
7.77% Northeast_Asian
0.36% Northwest_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% Neo_African
0.00% Palaeo_African
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian


K8 Yakimova Mogila Tumulus,(450–400 BC) Krushare, Bulgaria noble Thracian

K7b

46.44% Atlantic_Baltic
36.25% West_Asian
17.30% Southern
0.00% African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian

K12b

32.79% Atlantic_Med
29.27% Gedrosia
17.54% North_European
17.50% Caucasus
2.90% Northwest_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Sub_Saharan
dv3

39.88% West_European
24.25% East_European
14.34% West_Asian
12.79% Mediterranean
5.86% South_Asian
2.87% Palaeo_African
0.01% Northwest_African
0.00% East_African
0.00% Neo_African
0.00% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian

t2g2 Burial mound near Stambolovo
K7b
60.48% West_Asian
23.69% African
14.49% South_Asian
1.33% Atlantic_Baltic
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Southern

K12b

54.44% Gedrosia
19.46% Sub_Saharan
13.43% Atlantic_Med
11.30% South_Asian
1.34% Caucasus
0.03% East_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.00% North_European
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian


dv3

51.27% West_Asian
33.26% West_European
7.63% Neo_African
6.95% Southeast_Asian
0.89% Palaeo_African
0.01% South_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_European
0.00% Mediterranean
0.00% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% Southwest_Asian


V2 (1500–1100 BC) Vratitsa flat cemetary
K7b

44.14% West_Asian
28.34% Atlantic_Baltic
18.46% African
5.72% East_Asian
3.34% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Southern

K12b

44.15% North_European
20.14% Sub_Saharan
15.06% Gedrosia
9.62% Siberian
7.67% Caucasus
3.35% Southeast_Asian
0.01% East_Asian
0.00% Atlantic_Med
0.00% East_African
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
dv3

42.02% West_Asian
37.17% West_European
11.74% Neo_African
5.15% Southeast_Asian
3.93% East_European
0.00% East_African
0.00% Mediterranean
0.00% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% Palaeo_African
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian


Here is the original paper: http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1004353

The admixture analysis of K8 and p192-1.

http://s13.postimg.org/f2ufvcmp3/journal_pgen_1004353_g001.png

[Kale]

They should combine what SNPs are available into one composite 'individual', I think that would give us a clearer picture of what is going on.

[Insuperable]

Damaged dna and inadequate number of SNP's. Useless for blogger calculators. We went over this already.

[Trun]

Wtf 20% African :lol:

Anyway, the first undamaged shows big similarities to Greek_D in k12b.

[HellLander87]

Polako just posted V2's k15 and k13

K15

North_Sea 1.32
Atlantic 32.69
Baltic 0
Eastern_Euro 7.14
West_Med 14.99
West_Asian 43.45
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0.41
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

K13

North_Atlantic 20.53
Baltic 0.01
West_Med 33.77
West_Asian 45.7
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 0
East_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian+French_Basque @ 22.347175
2 French_Basque+North_Ossetian @ 23.642883
3 French_Basque+Ossetian @ 23.82611
4 French_Basque+Georgian @ 24.05525
5 Adygei+French_Basque @ 24.610584
6 Balkar+French_Basque @ 24.949477
7 Chechen+French_Basque @ 25.034196
8 French_Basque+Kabardin @ 25.357741
9 Abhkasian+Southwest_French @ 26.142271
10 Abhkasian+Spanish_Aragon @ 26.31415
11 Abhkasian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 26.487806
12 North_Ossetian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 26.660102
13 North_Ossetian+Spanish_Aragon @ 26.67293
14 Abhkasian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 26.789523
15 North_Ossetian+Southwest_French @ 26.902472
16 Ossetian+Spanish_Aragon @ 26.933518
17 Ossetian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 26.940056
18 Ossetian+Southwest_French @ 27.0166
19 North_Ossetian+Spanish_Andalucia @ 27.017468
20 Abhkasian+Spanish_Andalucia @ 27.07639

[HellLander87]

Iron age Hungarian from 900BC

K15

North_Sea 23.36
Atlantic 23.4
Baltic 11.44
Eastern_Euro 19.14
West_Med 6.29
West_Asian 15.76
East_Med 0.04
Red_Sea 0.1
South_Asian 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0.15
Amerindian 0.31
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

1 North_German+Tatar @ 13.318327
2 Southeast_English+Tatar @ 13.423963
3 Southwest_English+Tatar @ 13.444056
4 Irish+Tatar @ 13.521992
5 Tatar+West_Scottish @ 13.576526
6 South_Dutch+Tatar @ 13.611477
7 Danish+Tatar @ 13.748404
8 Orcadian+Tatar @ 13.86497
9 North_Dutch+Tatar @ 13.956747
10 Icelandic+Tatar @ 14.114097
11 Icelandic+Tabassaran @ 14.317105
12 Moldavian+North_German @ 14.328221
13 Icelandic+Lezgin @ 14.575859
14 Icelandic+Nogay @ 14.616609
15 South_Dutch+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 14.66502
16 Danish+Moldavian @ 14.694764
17 Croatian+North_German @ 14.701263
18 French+Tatar @ 14.753489
19 Moldavian+West_Scottish @ 14.832948
20 Southwest_English+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 14.867906

[quediustu]

All of these are indo-european right?

[HellLander87]

All of these are indo-european right?
V2 is from 1500-1100 period which is late bronze age.IR1 the hungarian is from 900BC which iron age.They is a good chance they spoke indo european languages I think.It seems that early indoeuropeans were a more northern shifted Nogai(north caucasus) like group.Earlier samples from hungary lack this west asian influence.
Check this plot to see how ancient "hungarian" genomes were shifted through time.
http://s3.postimg.org/jrs7xy48z/Gamba_Fig2.png

[quediustu]

V2 is from 1500-1100 period which is late bronze age.IR1 the hungarian is from 900BC which iron age.They is a good chance they spoke indo european languages I think.It seems that early indoeuropeans were a more northern shifted Nogai(north caucasus) like group.Earlier samples from hungary lack this west asian influence.
Check this plot to see how ancient "hungarian" genomes were shifted through time.
http://s3.postimg.org/jrs7xy48z/Gamba_Fig2.png

Very interesting. The metal ages populations seems to be the closest to modern european ones, except some outliers like sardinians.
They also score high on west asian/caucasus/gedrosia, which is absent among mesolithic and neolithic samples. Even though these components are much lower in today's populations.
It would be nice to know their haplogroups. For ydna I'm pretty sure they'd be R1b and R1a.

[Black Wolf]

Polako just posted V2's k15 and k13

K15

North_Sea 1.32
Atlantic 32.69
Baltic 0
Eastern_Euro 7.14
West_Med 14.99
West_Asian 43.45
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0.41
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

K13

North_Atlantic 20.53
Baltic 0.01
West_Med 33.77
West_Asian 45.7
East_Med 0
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 0
East_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian+French_Basque @ 22.347175
2 French_Basque+North_Ossetian @ 23.642883
3 French_Basque+Ossetian @ 23.82611
4 French_Basque+Georgian @ 24.05525
5 Adygei+French_Basque @ 24.610584
6 Balkar+French_Basque @ 24.949477
7 Chechen+French_Basque @ 25.034196
8 French_Basque+Kabardin @ 25.357741
9 Abhkasian+Southwest_French @ 26.142271
10 Abhkasian+Spanish_Aragon @ 26.31415
11 Abhkasian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 26.487806
12 North_Ossetian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 26.660102
13 North_Ossetian+Spanish_Aragon @ 26.67293
14 Abhkasian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 26.789523
15 North_Ossetian+Southwest_French @ 26.902472
16 Ossetian+Spanish_Aragon @ 26.933518
17 Ossetian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 26.940056
18 Ossetian+Southwest_French @ 27.0166
19 North_Ossetian+Spanish_Andalucia @ 27.017468
20 Abhkasian+Spanish_Andalucia @ 27.07639

Who is V2? Do you mean BR2? The Y-DNA J2a1 late bronze age sample?

[HellLander87]

Who is V2? Do you mean BR2? The Y-DNA J2a1 late bronze age sample?
Nope V2 is from Vratitsa Bulgaria 1500-1100 BC.

[Black Wolf]

Nope V2 is from Vratitsa Bulgaria 1500-1100 BC.

Ohhh okay thanks.

[Black Wolf]

Nope V2 is from Vratitsa Bulgaria 1500-1100 BC.

Ohhh okay thanks.

[cally]

Strange to say the least. No east med? dafuq?

[quediustu]

Strange to say the least. No east med? dafuq?

Makes sense if you place their origins in the Pontic-Caspian steppe.

[wvwvw]

What were Iron Age Thracians doing in Hungary? ;)