Evidence that Armenians are White

[alextkd369]

Before anything: I spelled Evidence wrong, my apologies, it won't let me edit the title.

anyways:


"When the Nazis came to power in 1933, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, various cultural minorities were targeted for persecution and harassment. One of these minorities was the Armenian minority of Europe.


The Turkish government of that time took an opportunity to launch a major propaganda campaign against the Armenians living in Germany and the rest of Europe, where they claimed that Armenians were Semite and no different from gypsies. They encouraged the persecution of Armenians by planting falsified information on Armenian history, culture and its origins.

The times were severe for the Armenians of Europe, and particularly of Germany, where a second Genocide seemed to be on the horizon. To counter the anti-Armenian propaganda in Germany, the Armenian community in Potsdam, Germany published an academic book on Armenian studies called Armeniertum-Arivertum, meaning Armenism-Aryanism. Three thousand copies were printed under the leadership of Artashes Abeghyan in cooperation with German Armenologists Yohannes Lepsus and Paul Rohrbakh.

Many German Orientologists like Hans Haynrikh Sheder, Yohannes Fon Lears, Karl Rot, Rev. Gerhard Klinge, and Evar Shteer, took part in this project by submitting their academic findings about the Indo-European origins of Armenians and their Aryan linguistic identity in this book.

The book was republished in 1942-1943 in Shtugart, when the Turkish propaganda reemerged in the German press. Around the same time, Armenologist Hyek Asatrian, in cooperation with Armenian military General Garegin Njdeh, published another book called Armenia-the Cradle of Aryans in Asia.

After those publications, the German Interior Ministry issued a document recognizing Armenians as an Aryan nation. Thanks to the German academics and active participation of Armenian community of Germany, the threat of yet another Armenian genocide, this time in Europe, was eliminated. "

Source: Armenism-Aryanism, Armenian reprint by Uri Xachatryan, Aram Aleksanyan and Alina Sonoyan, Yerevan, 2001.

[Dictator]

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[Gustave H]

Yeah, I know. That's what I've been saying all along
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[alextkd369]

Yeah, I know. That's what I've been saying all along
.

Apparently, a some people here don't agree :/

[Gustave H]

Apparently, a some people here don't agree :/

Who cares. Don't live to please other people and don't live for the opinions of others.

[randomguy1235]

So, you're using an incredibly antiquated and fallacious conception of the term? Why do you care so much? Do people consider you non-white?

[Mortimer]

armenians are white in every country. to me they are no different then greeks or christian lebanese, they are white.

[randomguy1235]

armenians are white in every country. to me they are no different then greeks or christian lebanese, they are white.

No difference between them and their Muslim counterparts except when sampling outlier Muslims (since there are substantially more Muslims per Christian).

[Mortimer]

No difference between them and their Muslim counterparts except when sampling outlier Muslims (since there are substantially more Muslims per Christian).

ok, but christians are generally more accepted in western constructs then muslims because of culture. but i view all mideasterners and northafricans as white.

[Andrei the 2nd]

Wekl, whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[randomguy1235]

ok, but christians are generally more accepted in western constructs then muslims because of culture. but i view all mideasterners and northafricans as white.

Trust me, the vast majority are not "white" in the slightest, and that largely depends on the region too.

[zhaoyun]

Armenians are as White as essentially any other Middle Eastern group who adhere to Christianity.

[randomguy1235]

Armenians are as White as essentially any other Middle Eastern group who adhere to Christianity.

Palestinian Muslim>>>Coptic Egyptian in terms of "whiteness"

[Instinct]

Can you speak Armenian?

[SKYNET]

Nobody gives a fuck how Christian you are, be yourself for fuck's sake. Abrahamic religions don't make you a European, neither white nor ubermensch

[Bloodnigger]

Nobody gives a fuck how Christian you are, be yourself for fuck's sake. Abrahamic religions don't make you a European, neither white nor ubermensch

And this is how mainstream WN was hacked by half-white half-maybe white Eliot Rodgers who get mad because a blue eyed blonde won't fuck them.

"Muh white pride, I'm only 1/8th amazonian so totally within da white spectrum, where muh white bitches at"

[SKYNET]

And this is how mainstream WN was hacked by half-white half-maybe white Eliot Rodgers who get mad because a blue eyed blonde won't fuck them.

"Muh white pride, I'm only 1/8th amazonian so totally within da white spectrum, where muh white bitches at"



I don't even believe in such dumb bullshit as Indo-European family. Those non Indo-Euro pale Japanese are much more closest to me than Indo-Euro swarthy Indians

[Bloodnigger]

I don't even believe in such dumb bullshit as Indo-European family. Those non Indo-Euro pale Japanese are much more closest to me than Indo-Euro swarthy Indians

Me neither but people will always associate with those who look like them. It's basic evolution, acting preferential to those of your race means that there is a higher chance for your/their genes to pass on.

[alextkd369]

Can you speak Armenian?

No, I know words but other than that, I don't

[Gaston]

Armenians are brown.

[alextkd369]

Armenians are brown.

Not brown but they can range from pale to dark olive skin. My dad always had a nice tan on his arms and legs, face and my brothers and sister came out pale skinned. My sisters even blonde. If they were mixed mid east scum, we'd all be quite dark and exotic looking.

[Mortimer]

Not brown but they can range from pale to dark olive skin. My dad always had a nice tan on his arms and legs, face and my brothers and sister came out pale skinned. My sisters even blonde. If they were mixed mid east scum, we'd all be quite dark and exotic looking.

why do you call mid east people scum, figure of speech or it is your opinion, tell me you are not another guy who hates brown people or such

[Mortimer]

Not brown but they can range from pale to dark olive skin. My dad always had a nice tan on his arms and legs, face and my brothers and sister came out pale skinned. My sisters even blonde. If they were mixed mid east scum, we'd all be quite dark and exotic looking.

you look exotic for north of the alps and for your mums ancestry, and your dad is dark skinned or brown. i said you are white and still think it. but dont be racist.

[aimar]

I read everything

[Musso]

You are white if you are white skinned. I'm Armenian, and I'm definitely white skinned and so are most Armenians I would say. If the question is, are Armenians European or not, well, I would not say we are Europeans like Germans, French, and Italians are.

For example, Are these Armenians white skinned or not?

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/726/big_58be01aa7.JPG

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/722/big_3d2c3ec9b.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/716/big_3b405123e.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/705/big_c8c9131c2.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/704/big_cfb758d1c.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/691/big_33aaa7974.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/691/big_288c977b3.jpg

[Mortimer]

they are not white skinned, or it is diverse. many are white skinned but many have a mideastern skin colour, look at the students in the second picture etc. they are light brown.

[Mortimer]

sorry i mean the army officers, and many others in the various pictures. i think some armenians are white skinned but some are not, maybe if you extend white skinned to mideastern light brown then yes.

[Hadouken]

pigmentation is not what is crucial in this discussion though

[Mortimer]

pigmentation is not what is crucial in this discussion though

what is crucial? he said you are white if you are white skinned well many werent. or if you count mideastern dark olive or light brown as white maybe. armenians are in the european soccer championships and turkey too or in eurovision etc. so they are europe, extended europe. i count them as white. and european. turks too.

[Hadouken]

what is crucial? he said you are white if you are white skinned well many werent. or if you count mideastern dark olive or light brown as white maybe. armenians are in the european soccer championships and turkey too or in eurovision etc. so they are europe, extended europe. i count them as white. and european. turks too.

well I know people who are 100% european and have naturally olive-light brown skin and north africans with very light skin but very non european (some even partly non caucasoid) facial features

pigmentation is a part of race yes but not the most important factor when it comes to determine race at all

btw. this is a guy I know from my town where I live (we were somewhat buddies for a while because I know him from other friends)

he is 100% european (I wont mention his ethnicity but I know that he is fully european and I also know how his family looks )

he is tanned here too but I also know how he looks without tan and he is dark ....I have known some other people like him too and even though they are atypical for europeans it still is an evidence that pigmentation is secondary

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[Mortimer]

well I know people who are 100% european and have naturally olive-light brown skin and north africans with very light skin but very non european (some even partly non caucasoid) facial features

pigmentation is a part of race yes but not the most important factor when it comes to determine race at all

btw. this is a guy I know from my town where I live (we were somewhat buddies for a while because I know him from other friends)

he is 100% european (I wont mention his ethnicity but I know that he is fully european and I also know how his family looks )

he is tanned here too but I also know how he looks without tan and he is dark



true be-real. but many of the armenians in the pictures didnt looked european from features either and i corrected that they are all white skinned like he claimed. i think armenians have lot of people who look like europeans but also lot of people who look westasian. maybe westasian is white too im not sure. but you are right pigmentation is not the only factor determining race.

[Hadouken]

true be-real. but many of the armenians in the pictures didnt looked european from features either and i corrected that they are all white skinned like he claimed. i think armenians have lot of people who look like europeans but also lot of people who look westasian. maybe westasian is white too im not sure. but you are right pigmentation is not the only factor determining race.

does a man like Raul Gonzales (who is spanish) have a (typical) european face ?

I could post many of such examples

most armenians look "whiter" than people like him lol

http://media.sinematurk.com/person/7/c3/dc8da8519b96/ikercasillasvrafaelnada.jpg

[Gaston]

Not brown but they can range from pale to dark olive skin. My dad always had a nice tan on his arms and legs, face and my brothers and sister came out pale skinned. My sisters even blonde. If they were mixed mid east scum, we'd all be quite dark and exotic looking.

Armenians are "mid east scum".

[Sarmatian]

Out of all Armenians I met in my life the only ones care about being considered as white were those who grew up in US and have some minor percentage of Armenian blood. The Armenian folk that live at Caucasus don't give a flying fcuk about their whiteness. They'll laugh at your pathetic lack of manliness and sense of self-respect.

[Sarmatian]

does a man like Raul Gonzales (who is spanish) have a (typical) european face ?

I could post many of such examples

most armenians look "whiter" than people like him lol

http://media.sinematurk.com/person/7/c3/dc8da8519b96/ikercasillasvrafaelnada.jpg

Oh really???

http://www.leninakan.com/Foto/frunzik/frunzik_mkrtchjan20.jpg

[Gaston]

Here is where your "white" Armenians are (based on Eurogenes K15):

http://s28.postimg.org/uznbxb8il/pca12.png


I can't imagine an island of whiteness surrounded by "mid east scum" like Georgian Jews, Assyrians, Kurdish Jews etc...

[Hadouken]

Oh really???

http://www.leninakan.com/Foto/frunzik/frunzik_mkrtchjan20.jpg

seems we agree :)

[Wadaad]

Before anything: I spelled Evidence wrong, my apologies, it won't let me edit the title.

anyways:


"When the Nazis came to power in 1933, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, various cultural minorities were targeted for persecution and harassment. One of these minorities was the Armenian minority of Europe.


The Turkish government of that time took an opportunity to launch a major propaganda campaign against the Armenians living in Germany and the rest of Europe, where they claimed that Armenians were Semite and no different from gypsies. They encouraged the persecution of Armenians by planting falsified information on Armenian history, culture and its origins. .

Do you have any evidence of this?

[Musso]

In the end of the day, really no one cares about "whiteness" except some people in such forums. Armenians honestly don't care if they are white, brown, or black. We are Armenian. We are have more things to worry about than our whiteness.



sorry i mean the army officers, and many others in the various pictures. i think some armenians are white skinned but some are not, maybe if you extend white skinned to mideastern light brown then yes.

Well remember, those are army recruits. They spend all day outside under the sun training, so obviously they will be more tanned than the average Armenian. During the winter my skin tone is lighter, while if I spend a week under the sun, my skin tone becomes rather tan.

[EyeOfTheTiger]

Here is where your "white" Armenians are (based on Eurogenes K15):

http://s28.postimg.org/uznbxb8il/pca12.png


I can't imagine an island of whiteness surrounded by "mid east scum" like Georgian Jews, Assyrians, Kurdish Jews etc...
georgian jews are quite white..

[Gaston]

georgian jews are quite white..

I don't care. I showed him Armenians cluster with 'mid east scum'.

[Musso]

Maybe you are scum, Gaston.

[Gaston]

Maybe you are scum, Gaston.

Maybe you don't know how to read?

I'm using the expression used by this self-hating half-Armenian: he said middle easterners are scum and I showed him Armenians are genetically middle easterners which means by his own logic that Armenians are "mid east scum".

[Leto]

In Russia Armenians aren't usually considered white. They are called "black", that is darker-skinned/haired. It's because most ethnic Russians are considerably lighter than Armenians, Caucasian Muslims and Central Asians. But the standard of whiteness is kinda twisted here. It makes little sense outside Russia. Many people are ignorant and don't know what Caucasoid means.

[Hubal]

Armenians aren't white, they're west-Asian Caucasoids and they should be proud of it.

[Kamal900]

I've seen and met a lot of armenians back in Lebanon, Bourj Hamoud, and believe me, they dont look even remotely european, and i have a lot of european friends here(esp serbs, italians and russians). Armenians cluster very close to the Assyrian people, a SEMITIC people native of northern iraq, and they also cluster with other west asians, not with europeans. Honestly, i think most europeans would rather associate themselves with the Japanese than with other caucasians in west asia and NA.

[Alessio]

Do you think this Armenian looks 'typical' Armenian ?

http://s20.postimg.org/js9mqh2x5/Gionto.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/js9mqh2x5/)


I've seen and met a lot of armenians back in Lebanon, Bourj Hamoud, and believe me, they dont look even remotely european, and i have a lot of european friends here(esp serbs, italians and russians). Armenians cluster very close to the Assyrian people, a SEMITIC people native of northern iraq, and they also cluster with other west asians, not with europeans. Honestly, i think most europeans would rather associate themselves with the Japanese than with other caucasians in west asia and NA.

[Hadouken]

^ he looks exotic southern euro to me Alessio

[Kamal900]

Do you think this Armenian looks 'typical' Armenian ?

http://s20.postimg.org/js9mqh2x5/Gionto.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/js9mqh2x5/)

Not really no, most armenians i have seen are very armenoid, and they look very similar to jews and turks than to europeans.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not really no, most armenians i have seen are very armenoid, and they look very similar to jews and turks than to europeans.

But a considerable minority could pass in Greece and/or Southern Italy, just like many Turks and Levantines can, right?

[Alessio]

He actually looks very much like an Armenian guy I know.


^ he looks exotic southern euro to me Alessio

[Kamal900]

But a considerable minority could pass in Greece and/or Southern Italy, just like many Turks and Levantines can, right?

Turkish people have much higher chance passing in europe than the armenians or levantines, because they tend to have much higher euro admixture than either of these peoples. I never seen an armenian looking like a greek or italian, and i have many italian friends too. I showed you my pictures of me and my family, and even though we are white skinned and all, we wouldnt pass in europe. To the contrary of the OP of this thread, i am very proud to be an Arab and middle eastern, and im not ashamed about it, not even one bit.

[Andrei the 2nd]

That awkward moment when I'm not white.

[Tooting Carmen]

Turkish people have much higher chance passing in europe than the armenians or levantines, because they tend to have much higher euro admixture than either of these peoples. I never seen an armenian looking like a greek or italian, and i have many italian friends too. I showed you my pictures of me and my family, and even though we are white skinned and all, we wouldnt pass in europe. To the contrary of the OP of this thread, i am very proud to be an Arab and middle eastern, and im not ashamed about it, not even one bit.

But as Sikeliot's countless threads have demonstrated, there are many Greeks and Southern Italians who look wholly or partly West Asian, so that is where most of the overlap comes from, not necessarily in that Armenians or Lebanese look like (conventional) Europeans.

[Kamal900]

That awkward moment when I'm not white.

Im not white either, but im proud of who i am, and im not going to be someone im not. Being an OWDer is such a sad case really, and really, the OP of this thread should feel ashamed about it.

[Hadouken]

Turkish people have much higher chance passing in europe than the armenians or levantines, because they tend to have much higher euro admixture than either of these peoples. I never seen an armenian looking like a greek or italian, and i have many italian friends too. I showed you my pictures of me and my family, and even though we are white skinned and all, we wouldnt pass in europe. To the contrary of the OP of this thread, i am very proud to be an Arab and middle eastern, and im not ashamed about it, not even one bit.

you would pass 100% trust me ...people here told you that after they knew that you are from filistin

but I know you dont care about it ...and you shouldnt :D Levantines (and other west asians) look awesome :cool:

[Andrei the 2nd]

Im not white either, but im proud of who i am, and im not going to be someone im not. Being an OWDer is such a sad case really, and really, the OP of this thread should feel ashamed about it.

Even though everyone miskakens me a blonde haired white kid, but I agree.

[Dengizik]

http://i.imgur.com/BBa1b4e.png

[Instinct]

Well, I don't think there is an objective claim to say somebody is "white or not"

According to accepted thesis in the USA, all the Middle Easterns are White race. So, no need to discuss about Turks, Bulgarians or Armenians. They are considered white on the paper.

I think there are pale skinned Armenians and darker skinned Armenians as usual in Georgia, Turkey etc.

Be yourself, I don't like to see wannabe whites doesn't matter what ethnicity you have.

[Instinct]

Even though everyone miskakens me a blonde haired white kid, but I agree.

Be proud of being non-white Andrew Grigorian.

[Andrei the 2nd]

Be proud of being non-white Andrew Grigorian.

I'm not upset and baffabled. I still meet the the terms of a white person in looks, but I guess I'm still not white judging my blood. I'll never be as white as those swarthy Iberians who everyone considers to be white looking because they're European.

[Instinct]

I'm not upset and baffabled. I still meet the the terms of a white person in looks, but I guess I'm still not white judging my blood. I'll never be as white as those swarthy Iberians who everyone considers to be white looking because they're European.

Yes, I think you should accept your roots and watch this video and dance! ahahah :D davul zurnaaa tey tey aheey aheey lorke lorke

[Leto]

Why? Andrew passes as white without a problem.

[7eleven]

Just accept you arent white and stop being a little faggot

[Linet]

I think we confuse 2 things.....
I mean, yes Armenians are white http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/girls/s1215.gif, but no, Armenians arent Europeans http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Flags/europe-flag-35.gif....the latter doesnt exclude them from the white race.....

[Leto]

Andrew, just write "Caucasian" instead of "white" and everything's gonna be alright. No one would ever deny you being Caucasian. And many even think the two words are full synonyms.

[Blackfyre]

White, in a biological sense, referes to the caucasoid race, which includes both europoids and hamites and semites. Thus there is no way Armenians are not white.
The question rather would be if they are europoid, which I really have no true answer to.
In conclusion, Armenians are clearly white, and I believe that they are, more or less, europoid. Even if not, ethnicity is trivial, crucial is culture, progress and having an identity.

[Andrei the 2nd]

Andrew, just write "Caucasian" instead of "white" and everything's gonna be alright. No one would ever deny you being Caucasian. And many even think the two words are full synonyms.

Look, I'm not upset. Even though I may be a middle easterner as a white man I'm disguise, I still accept my roots aren't white.

[Instinct]

Look, I'm not upset. Even though I may be a middle easterner as a white man I'm disguise, I still accept my roots aren't white.

That's good then, you're not European because Armenian Culture (music, language, etc.) is closer to Kurdish, Turkish people (Eastern Anatolians). [Almost the same]

[Leto]

That's good then, you're not European because Armenian Culture (music, language, etc.) is closer to Kurdish, Turkish people (Eastern Anatolians). [Almost the same]

No, the Armenian language is Indo-European, not Semitic, nor Turkic.

[Instinct]

No, the Armenian language is Indo-European, not Semitic, nor Turkic.

Yes, but that's not a reason to consider Armenians as European.

[alextkd369]

you look exotic for north of the alps and for your mums ancestry, and your dad is dark skinned or brown. i said you are white and still think it. but dont be racist.

My apologies, I didn't mean to use the term "scum". They are good people. I just got worked up in the moment and just typed.

BTW, my father is dark on his arms, legs and face but his torso and thighs are as fair skinned as my mother.The farmers tan is intense ;)

[alextkd369]

Maybe you don't know how to read?

I'm using the expression used by this self-hating half-Armenian: he said middle easterners are scum and I showed him Armenians are genetically middle easterners which means by his own logic that Armenians are "mid east scum".

Firstly, i'm not a self hater, i'm pround of beeing an Armenian (or half, whatever). I apologize for calling the middle easterners 'scum'. I was typing and it just came out. No, I don't think they're scum, in fact they I admire them greatly as they basically created civilization. All my argument is on this thread is that Armenians are not middle eastern but 'white' or genetically European. Not geographically.

[Black Wolf]

And? Who gives a damn really?

[alextkd369]

Look, I'm not upset. Even though I may be a middle easterner as a white man I'm disguise, I still accept my roots aren't white.

Bro, in this situation, it's all a matter of opinion. Theres a sh*t load of people on this thread who view them as white and theres a sh*t load that don't. In this rare case, it's up to you whether you consider yourself genetically European or not. I personally think there should be a study conducted with DNA testings and what-not to see what Armenians are truly composed of racially.

[randomguy1235]

You are white if you are white skinned. I'm Armenian, and I'm definitely white skinned and so are most Armenians I would say. If the question is, are Armenians European or not, well, I would not say we are Europeans like Germans, French, and Italians are.

For example, Are these Armenians white skinned or not?

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/726/big_58be01aa7.JPG

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/722/big_3d2c3ec9b.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/716/big_3b405123e.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/705/big_c8c9131c2.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/704/big_cfb758d1c.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/691/big_33aaa7974.jpg

http://media.pn.am/media/set/6/691/big_288c977b3.jpg
If that's considered white skin, we can lump the majority of Levs into that category too. That's why pigmentation isn't the defining factor of "whiteness"

[alextkd369]

Yes, but that's not a reason to consider Armenians as European.

If anything, Armenians are much more European than the Turks. Turks originate from the Seljuk Turks which were nomadic horse-riding warriors from the central plains of Asia. They were Mongolian and aside from the fact that they stole Byzantium from Europeans, many of the people originally living in the Anatolian peninsula were already mixed. If any Turks do possess such gene expression similar to Europeans, it's either derived from gene variants not European in origin, or they aren't actually ethnically Turkish. They both hated each other and rape+ intermarriage wasn'y a huge cause to mixing. If anything, Turks slaughtered Armenians way more than they did mixing with them.

Also, Hitler recognized Armenians as Aryans in 194. Even while he aligned Germany with Turkey, they weren't recognized.

[alextkd369]

hjl

[Instinct]

If anything, Armenians are much more European than the Turks. Turks originate from the Seljuk Turks which were nomadic horse-riding warriors from the central plains of Asia. Aside from the fact that they stole Byzantium from Europeans, many of the people originally living in the Anatolian peninsula were already mixed. If any Turks do possess such gene expression similar to Europeans, it's either derived from gene variants not European in origin, or they aren't actually ethnically Turkish. They both hated each other and rape+ intermarriage wasn'y a huge cause to mixing. If anything, Turks slaughtered Armenians way more than they did mixing with them.

Also, Hitler recognized Armenians as Aryans in 194. Even while he aligned Germany with Turkey, they weren't recognized.

Why are you trying to manipulate the similarity between Turks and Armenians? Do you think that Byzantium was a European empire? They're the descendants of Hellenistic Culture which is not European but like a bridge between Europe and Asia.

I am very suprised that you support Hitler. Do you really believe his theory? Haha, do you think that Hitler's Aryan theory is an accepted theory? Ask fascists government of the Germany how they helped Ottomans during Armenian Genocide and read some history.

And don't be a white superior wannabe. Your roots are from Eastern Anatolia aka Armenian Highlands. So, I don't understand what are you trying to do really.

[alextkd369]

Why are you trying to manipulate the similarity between Turks and Armenians? Do you think that Byzantium was a European empire? They're the descendants of Hellenistic Culture which is not European but like a bridge between Europe and Asia.

I am very suprised that you support Hitler. Do you really believe his theory? Haha, do you think that Hitler's Aryan theory is an accepted theory? Ask fascists government of the Germany how they helped Ottomans during Armenian Genocide and read some history.

And don't be a white superior wannabe. Your roots are from Eastern Anatolia aka Armenian Highlands. So, I don't understand what are you trying to do really.

Manipulate what? Sure there's similarities but i'm talking about the origins of these two peoples. Turks were originally mongolians and Armenians weren't-enough said.

As for Byzantium, of course it was a European empire :picard1: . It was an empire that was truly heaven on earth. It was an like, the Western Roman empire combined with the new Christian beliefs that was the official state religion. The Byzantines were indeed European genetically and culturally, they just belonged to different ethnicities and any mixing that occured whatsoever was of mediteranean or balcan people, not of actually diferent races.

I do not think that Hitler's Aryan theory is valid but hey, if he considered Armenians in the same category as other Europeans, then they gotta be. I'm not familiar with the fact that Germans helped the Ottomans during the Genocide but if they did, it would've been for political reasons. Hitler would've done anything to win.

I'm not sure what you mean by calling me a "white superior wannabe" as I don't feel superior to anyone, but just stating facts for my argument.

[Instinct]

Manipulate what? Sure there's similarities but i'm talking about the origins of these two peoples. Turks were originally mongolians and Armenians weren't-enough said.

As for Byzantium, of course it was a European empire :picard1: . It was an empire that was truly heaven on earth. It was an like, the Western Roman empire combined with the new Christian beliefs that was the official state religion. The Byzantines were indeed European genetically and culturally, they just belonged to different ethnicities and any mixing that occured whatsoever was of mediteranean or balcan people, not of actually diferent races.

I do not think that Hitler's Aryan theory is valid but hey, if he considers Armenians in the same category as European, then they gotta be. I'm not familiar with the fact that Germans helped the Ottomans during the Genocide but if they did, it would've been for political reasons. Hitler would've done anything to win.

I'm not sure what you mean by calling me a "white superior wannabe" as I don't feel superior to anyone, but just stating facts for my argument.

Do you know about the Byzantine aggression towards Armenians?

[alextkd369]

Do you know about the Byzantine aggression towards Armenians?

They weren't the only ones. They also aggressed toward Bugarians.

Did you know about the fall of Byzantinium- one of the greatest civilizations on Earth?

;)

[Instinct]

They weren't the only ones. They also aggressed toward Bugarians.

So? Have you asked your father about where are your granparents' from?

[alextkd369]

So? Have you asked your father about where are your granparents' from?

Small village/town called Alaverdi. I haven't looked on a map where that is but they said they moved to Lebanon before the genocide or during the genocide.

[Musso]

In Russia Armenians aren't usually considered white. They are called "black", that is darker-skinned/haired. It's because most ethnic Russians are considerably lighter than Armenians, Caucasian Muslims and Central Asians. But the standard of whiteness is kinda twisted here. It makes little sense outside Russia. Many people are ignorant and don't know what Caucasoid means.

All Caucasians in Russia are considered "black". Obviously Georgians, Azeris, and Armenians are much darker than Russians.


I'm not upset and baffabled. I still meet the the terms of a white person in looks, but I guess I'm still not white judging my blood. I'll never be as white as those swarthy Iberians who everyone considers to be white looking because they're European.

Come on man, you are white, you have white skin, I am white also. People confuse white = European....Armenians may not be Europeans, but most if not all Armenians are white skinned, just some Armenians are paler other have darker pigmentation.

[Linet]

The problems with the Byzantine empire are 1. that most of its lands were out of Europe http://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/alien/h0179.gif 2. that it was Orthodox and in bad relationships with the all mighty, in the rest of Europe, Catholic church :fpope: and 3. The Europeans today dont learn :stop: anything about it, although they have been deeply affected by it....so dont expect them to witness what they dont know :noidea:.



Why are you trying to manipulate the similarity between Turks and Armenians? Do you think that Byzantium was a European empire? They're the descendants of Hellenistic Culture which is not European but like a bridge between Europe and Asia.

I am very suprised that you support Hitler. Do you really believe his theory? Haha, do you think that Hitler's Aryan theory is an accepted theory? Ask fascists government of the Germany how they helped Ottomans during Armenian Genocide and read some history.

And don't be a white superior wannabe. Your roots are from Eastern Anatolia aka Armenian Highlands. So, I don't understand what are you trying to do really.

The Hellenic culture :vikingship: is the base of the European culture itself ....nothing like a bringe but the very same foundations of it....

[Instinct]

The problems with the Byzantine empire are 1. that most of its lands were out of Europe http://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/alien/h0179.gif 2. that it was Orthodox and in bad relationships with the all mighty, in the rest of Europe, Catholic church :fpope: and 3. The Europeans today dont learn :stop: anything about it, although they have been deeply affected by it....so dont expect them to witness what they dont know :noidea:.

The Hellenic culture :vikingship: is the base of the European culture itself ....nothing like a bringe but the very same foundations of it....

Yes, but we all know that Armenians especially in Armeniakon (Sebastia) had many problems with Byzantine Empire.

Well yes, I can say that the renaissance and reform movement started by the doctrins of Byzantine intelectuals.

[Alessio]

Naples was the center of the Italian renaissance.


Yes, but we all know that Armenians especially in Armeniakon (Sebastia) had many problems with Byzantine Empire.

Well yes, I can say that the renaissance and reform movement started by the doctrins of Byzantine intelectuals.

[Instinct]

Naples was the center of the Italian renaissance.

Yeah, also the intelectuals who flee from Costantinapole inspired Western Europeans for renaissance.

[Gaston]

I love how the OP insulted middle easterners (thus Armenians) and I'm getting all the negs for pointing that out. People in this forum are as usual either illiterate and/or dishonest.



Anyway, to be white, you have to be a WASP.

[Armenian Bishop]

Do you know about the Byzantine aggression towards Armenians?

I can help with that question.

For the most part, Armenia and the Byzantine Empire coexisted, as separate sovereign countries; but not always, the Byzantines set the stage for their own defeat, at Manzikert (1071), when they plotted against Armenia, early in the 11th Century. In fact, Armenia appealed to the Byzantines, early in the 11th Century, because they wanted help against the Seljuk Turks; instead, the Byzantines attacked Armenia, from the West, and forced Armenia to conduct a 2 front war, as they drove the Turks back from the very gates of their capitol, Ani, on several occasions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagratid_Armenia

Both the Turks and the Byzantines were repulsed, during a number of attempts to overrun Armenia, but by 1045, the Byzantines had successfully subverted the authority of the Armenian King, and Armenia was absorbed into the Byzantine Empire. Instead of mounting a formidable defense for the Armenian frontier, the Byzantine war effort, against the Seljuk Turks unravelled by 1064, with the fall of Ani, after a 25 day siege. Ani, City of 1,001 Churches, with a population of 200,000 was sacked by the Turks. Perhaps, 100,000 Armenians were killed and more than 50,000 enslaved, when the Byzantines let Ani slip through their fingers and fall into the hands of the enemy.

Arab historian Sibt ibn al-Jawzi recorded an eyewitness account of the fall of Ani, in 1064: "The army entered the city, massacred its inhabitants, pillaged and burned it, leaving it in ruins and taking prisoner all those who remained alive...The dead bodies were so many that they blocked the streets; one could not go anywhere without stepping over them. And the number of prisoners was not less than 50,000 souls. I was determined to enter city and see the destruction with my own eyes. I tried to find a street in which I would not have to walk over the corpses; but that was impossible."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ani

Rather than reinforce Armenia as a buffer zone and ally against the Turkish threat from the East, the Byzantines destabilized Armenia, and absorbed it into their empire. It led to the decisive Byzantine defeat at Manzikert, in 1071. Those who complain about the treatment of the Byzantines by the Crusaders should remember that the Byzantines set the stage for the fall of Constantinople (1425), because they worked against Armenia, instead of reinforcing it against threats from the East.

[Andrei the 2nd]

I love how the OP insulted middle easterners (thus Armenians) and I'm getting all the negs for pointing that out. People in this forum are as usual either illiterate and/or dishonest.



Anyway, to be white, you have to be a WASP.

I'd guess that make Obama too a WASP. He's half Anglo white, and Protestant.

[Selurong]

I can help with that question.

For the most part, Armenia and the Byzantine Empire coexisted, as separate sovereign countries; but not always, the Byzantines set the stage for their own defeat, at Manzikert (1071), when they plotted against Armenia, early in the 11th Century. In fact, Armenia appealed to the Byzantines, early in the 11th Century, because they wanted help against the Seljuk Turks; instead, the Byzantines attacked Armenia, from the West, and forced Armenia to conduct a 2 front war, as they drove the Turks back from the very gates of their capitol, Ani, on several occasions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagratid_Armenia

Both the Turks and the Byzantines were repulsed, during a number of attempts to overrun Armenia, but by 1045, the Byzantines had successfully subverted the authority of the Armenian King, and Armenia was absorbed into the Byzantine Empire. Instead of mounting a formidable defense for the Armenian frontier of the Byzantine Empire, the Byzantine war effort, against the Seljuk Turks unravelled by 1064, with the fall of Ani, after a 25 day siege. Ani, City of 1,001 Churches, with a population of 200,000 was sacked by the Turks. Perhaps, 100,000 Armenians were killed and more than 50,000 enslaved, when the Byzantines let Ani slip through their fingers and fall into the hands of the enemy.

Arab historian Sibt ibn al-Jawzi recorded an eyewitness account of the fall of Ani, in 1064: "The army entered the city, massacred its inhabitants, pillaged and burned it, leaving it in ruins and taking prisoner all those who remained alive...The dead bodies were so many that they blocked the streets; one could not go anywhere without stepping over them. And the number of prisoners was not less than 50,000 souls. I was determined to enter city and see the destruction with my own eyes. I tried to find a street in which I would not have to walk over the corpses; but that was impossible."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ani

Rather than reinforce Armenia as a buffer zone and ally against the Turkish threat from the East, the Byzantines destabilized Armenia, and absorbed it into their empire. It led to the decisive Byzantine defeat at Manzikert, in 1071. Those who complain about the treatment of the Byzantines by the Crusaders should remember that the Byzantines set the stage for the fall of Constantinople (1425), because they worked against Armenia, instead of reinforcing it against threats from the East.

Actually, the crusaders were more favorably disposed to Armenians than Byzantines. Except for the Holy Roman Empire, an emperor of which married a Byzantine princess, most of the kings of the crsader states of t he Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Principality of Antioch were part Armenian due to dynastic unions with Armenian princes or princesses, there were hardly Byzantines in the mix, there.

[Selurong]

I'd guess that make Obama too a WASP. He's half Anglo white, and Protestant.

Obama is a crypto-muslim married to a drag-queen. There is nothing WASP about him.

Crypto-Muslim

http://youtu.be/-tKMiRxnRN4

And his drag-queen consort.

http://youtu.be/gvuulZPbfBg

Lol all hail President Osama.

[Leto]

Obama is a crypto-muslim married to a drag-queen. There is nothing WASP about him.

Sorry, dude, but it's nonsense. I don't really like him, but he's not a Muslim, nor is his wife a drag-queen. He was brought up Episcopalian Protestant.

[Bloodnigger]

Manipulate what? Sure there's similarities but i'm talking about the origins of these two peoples. Turks were originally mongolians and Armenians weren't-enough said.

As for Byzantium, of course it was a European empire :picard1: . It was an empire that was truly heaven on earth.

Stop playing Warhammer 40k and take a breather.

[Selurong]

Sorry, dude, but it's nonsense. I don't really like him, but he's not a Muslim, nor is his wife a drag-queen. He was brought up Episcopalian Protestant.

Really? then why did he spend most of his childhood in MUSLIM Indonesia. Furthermore, his father was a Muslim and he only went back to the USA as an adult.

He grew up in a Muslim country (Indonesia), he had Muslim father (That's why his middle and surname is Hussein and Obama).