Classify Munir El-Haddadi, Spanish footballer of Moroccan descent

[Tooting Carmen]

A recent call-up
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[Bahaman]

Berber.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyone else?

[Hubal]

saharid/Berid i think, looks berber.

[Sidi Atlas]

He has an interesting look. There is a visible strain of SSA influence ... to me he looks like a new world mix.

[Willem]

His sloped forehead is a bit unusual for a Moroccan. Most of them usually have roundish foreheads.

[Wadaad]

skinny Nabatea

[Smeagol]

Capoid admixture? I'm not sure.

[Cristiano viejo]

He is not Spanish, retarded Sudaca, his parents are Moroccans :picard1:

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

He is not Spanish, retarded Sudaca, his parents are Moroccans :picard1:

This.

[Tooting Carmen]

He is not Spanish, retarded Sudaca, his parents are Moroccans :picard1:

As the title of my thread says, he is Spanish (by nationality, and plays for Spain) and is of Moroccan descent (by ethnicity), just like Zinedine Zidane and Samir Nasri are French nationals of North African descent who used to play for France. Or is the distinction between ethnicity and nationality a concept too complex for you to grasp?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

As the title of my thread says, he is Spanish (by nationality, and plays for Spain) and is of Moroccan descent (by ethnicity), just like Zinedine Zidane and Samir Nasri are French nationals of North African descent who used to play for France. Or is the distinction between ethnicity and nationality a concept too complex for you to grasp?

You name the title as it says on porpose and don't tell me no because I'm sure you did ya prick, lol.

[Tooting Carmen]

You name the title as it says on porpose and don't tell me no because I'm sure you did ya prick, lol.

The title explicitly says of Moroccan descent. Based on your reasoning, a good number of Mexico's actors shouldn't really be considered Mexican at all, what with the proliferation of German, French, Italian, Lebanese etc. surnames.

[Leo Iscariot]

Berberid, but there's something else there that I can't quite figure out.

[Wadaad]

You name the title as it says on porpose and don't tell me no because I'm sure you did ya prick, lol.

Why are you barking out of nowhere like a pitbull over this? Wont make the Spaniards respect you more (only reason to point something like that out...a bitch looking for Spaniard respect). So what is wrong with the title of the thread? Marcos Senna was also a Spanish footballer

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Spain+v+England+International+Friendly+j1mSDJomRiL l.jpg

[Wadaad]

The title explicitly says of Moroccan descent. Based on your reasoning, a good number of Mexico's actors shouldn't really be considered Mexican at all, what with the proliferation of German, French, Italian, Lebanese etc. surnames.
He is only motivated by kissing up to Spaniard nationalists like Cristiano Viejo...not by logic, consistency, or an interest in anthropology or anything like tht

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, some more classifications and useful and intelligent contributions would be much appreciated.

[Cristiano viejo]

Why are you barking out of nowhere like a pitbull over this? Wont make the Spaniards respect you more (only reason to point something like that out...a bitch looking for Spaniard respect). So what is wrong with the title of the thread? Marcos Senna was also a Spanish footballer

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Spain+v+England+International+Friendly+j1mSDJomRiL l.jpg
In your dreams Marcos Senna is Spanish :lol:
He even was born in Brazil.
Spaniard = ethnic Spaniard. It´s very easy.

[Sidi Atlas]

In your dreams Marcos Senna is Spanish :lol:
He even was born in Brazil.
Spaniard = ethnic Spaniard. It´s very easy.
Spanish law says that people born in Spain are Spanish (or people who got naturalized). Moroccan law says that Moroccans that are born to Moroccan parents are Moroccan. So technically he's both Spanish and Moroccan.

The title is very clear, only insecure Spaniards or Uncle Tom type Latinos take offense. I've never seen this reaction from Belgian, British, Dutch, ... posters when similar topics are made concerning minorities in their country.

[Empecinado]

He's not Spanish but a Moroccan with Spanish citizenship, if he is Spanish then Gerard Depardieu is Russian.

[Tooting Carmen]

He's not Spanish but a Moroccan with Spanish citizenship, if he is Spanish then Gerard Depardieu is Russian.

Sidi Atlas and Wadaad are right. For instance, not even the most fanatical French users have pounced upon me for making this thread. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?141026-Classify-seven-female-French-politicians-of-North-African-origin

So what's with all the anger?

[Empecinado]

Sidi Atlas and Wadaad are right. For instance, not even the most fanatical French users have pounced upon me for making this thread. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?141026-Classify-seven-female-French-politicians-of-North-African-origin

So what's with all the anger?

Fortunately we are not as used to multiculturalism as the French.

[Tooting Carmen]

Fortunately we are not as used to multiculturalism as the French.

Not that I wish to discuss this much further, but (1) don't confuse 'multiculturalism' with 'multiracialism'. Spain, like most countries, is itself a composite of different cultures, regions and even languages. (2) Even based on your misuse of the term 'multiculturalism', what you say isn't 100% true either. For starters, Spain has for centuries had what is probably the largest Gypsy population outside the Balkans. (3) Are you and Cristiano Viejo angry for pointing out that there are people in Spain of immigrant or non-European descent, just as is the case all across Europe?

[Empecinado]

Not that I wish to discuss this much further, but (1) don't confuse 'multiculturalism' with 'multiracialism'. Spain, like most countries, is itself a composite of different cultures, regions and even languages. (2) Even based on your misuse of the term 'multiculturalism', what you say isn't 100% true either. For starters, Spain has for centuries had what is probably the largest Gypsy population outside the Balkans. (3) Are you and Cristiano Viejo angry for pointing out that there are people in Spain of immigrant or non-European descent, just as is the case all across Europe?

Gypsies were (and are) considered an ethnicity apart from Spaniards, and until the 60s and especially 80s, over 90% of Gypsies lived only in Andalusia. We all know there are foreigner people in Spain, what we don't like is that some of you call them Spaniards, this is not the New World.

[Gaston]

Despite his non-dark pigmentation, I see slight SSA admix in the nose and mouth.

On the other hand, his slopped forehead is not the most common although not inexistant either: most North Africans have straight foreheads.

[Cristiano viejo]

Spanish law says that people born in Spain are Spanish (or people who got naturalized).
WOW you must be the first Moor that respects the laws of Spain and worry for them :lightbul: A pity that your countrymen living here dont behave in same way :rolleyes:

But sorry, the laws of Spain care a shit. Spanish laws say that stealing is a crime, and however these laws are not sacred from the moment in which there are people who dont respect it. But here you are, talking about Spanish laws :laugh:



Moroccan law says that Moroccans that are born to Moroccan parents are Moroccan. So technically he's both Spanish and Moroccan.
I care double shit the Moroccan laws.


The title is very clear, only insecure Spaniards or Uncle Tom type Latinos take offense. I've never seen this reaction from Belgian, British, Dutch, ... posters when similar topics are made concerning minorities in their country.
ABSOLUTELY THE OPPOSITE. Belgian, British, Dutch say nothing because they accept immigrants as native people. Spaniards dont. And are we these insecure? :lol:
We never accept you as true Spaniards, we dont care what pathetic bureaucracy says. You Moors or Sudacas like the OP will be foreigners here and we will always treat as such.

MUNIR EL HADDADI... true Spanish name, yes :laugh2:
what pathetic...

[Bloodnigger]

Spanish law says that people born in Spain are Spanish (or people who got naturalized). Moroccan law says that Moroccans that are born to Moroccan parents are Moroccan. So technically he's both Spanish and Moroccan.

The title is very clear, only insecure Spaniards or Uncle Tom type Latinos take offense. I've never seen this reaction from Belgian, British, Dutch, ... posters when similar topics are made concerning minorities in their country.

citizenship=/=ethnicity

/thread

[Tooting Carmen]

Based on the poor logic and reasoning of the Spanish users here, Spanish immigrants Manuel Valls and Anne Hidalgo should not have the political positions they currently enjoy in France, given that they are not ethnically French in the slightest (nor, in Hidalgo's case, does she even come close to passing as ethnic French).

[Empecinado]

Based on the poor logic and reasoning of the Spanish users here, Spanish immigrants Manuel Valls and Anne Hidalgo should not have the political positions they currently enjoy in France, given that they are not ethnically French in the slightest (nor, in Hidalgo's case, does she even come close to passing as ethnic French).

That's a French issue, not a Spanish one. Me and most of Spaniards don't consider Munir to be one of us and I'm glad about this.

[Tooting Carmen]

That's a French issue, not a Spanish one. Me and most of Spaniards don't consider Munir to be one of us and I'm glad about this.

For the umpteenth time, the thread title very clearly says of Moroccan descent. The thread does not try to claim he is a plain Spaniard.:picard2:

[Hubal]

You guys are pathetic, nobody said he's ethnic Spanish.

[Cristiano viejo]

You guys are pathetic, nobody said he's ethnic Spanish.
No, defensors of the multiculturalism are these pathetic. If he is not ethnic Spaniard, the title of the thread is bullshit. Why do the OP include the word Spanish in the title?

[Tooting Carmen]

No, defensors of the multiculturalism are these pathetic. If he is not ethnic Spaniard, the title of the thread is bullshit. Why do the OP include the word Spanish in the title?

He was born and raised in Spain, has Spanish nationality and plays for Spain...

[Cristiano viejo]

He was born and raised in Spain, has Spanish nationality and plays for Spain...
Insuficient. He still has 0 Spanish blood.
A true Spaniard has 100% Spanish blood. If not, he is not Spaniard.

[Lábaru]

He's not Spanish but a Moroccan with Spanish citizenship, if he is Spanish then Gerard Depardieu is Russian.

Of course.

[Yuffayur]

Med + CM + SSA look very unique to me.

[Tooting Carmen]

Med + CM + SSA look very unique to me.

Isn't he commonplace for a Berber then?

[Yuffayur]

Isn't he commonplace for a Berber then?

I think his look is not too common.

[Tooting Carmen]

I think his look is not too common.

Would you kindly show us what you'd consider to be an 'average' Berber look then?

[Yuffayur]

Would you kindly show us what you'd consider to be an 'average' Berber look then?

There is no such an average Berber since we have a lot of phenotypes, that's like if you ask for an average Indian or European.


Anyway Munir reminds me a bit of the new reconstruction of Tut "the pharaoh".

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10505282_10152451563122984_3109112137106660861_n.j pg?oh=a3b3c3c7dc111a3f2364be51bdf91a00&oe=54E50918

[Tobi]

Berberid + SSA (?)

[Tobi]

Insuficient. He still has 0 Spanish blood.
A true Spaniard has 100% Spanish blood. If not, he is not Spaniard.

All real families has foreign blood. The king and queen of Spain aren't spanish?

[madridi4verrr]

South Med/ Berberid + SSA (Probably a southern/northern mixed ) .

[Kagawa]

South Med/ Berberid + SSA (Probably a southern/northern mixed ) .

He's Riffian.

[Cristiano viejo]

All real families has foreign blood. The king and queen of Spain aren't spanish?

Of course not.

[Tooting Carmen]

Of course not.

Former Queen Sofia is Greek.

[Anthropologique]

He's a mixed Berber. There are very few pure original Berbers left in N. Africa.

[Anthropologique]

Former Queen Sofia is Greek.

Royal families are all blended in Europe. No one is purely indigenous.

[Leto]

Royal families are all blended in Europe. No one is purely indigenous.
Russian emperors after Peter I were like 50-75% Germanic.

[Tobi]

Of course not.

So, are you saying the nobles spaniards was governed there's centuries by non-spaniards? :eek:

[D´Sanglard]

So, are you saying the nobles spaniards was governed there's centuries by non-spaniards? :eek:

You know nothing about history. The rspanish dynasty is Bourbon, wich is also the french dynasty. In 1700, Philippe, Duc D´anjou, and grandson of Louis XIV of France,became King of Spain

[Tobi]

You know nothing about history. The rspanish dynasty is Bourbon, wich is also the french dynasty. In 1700, Philippe, Duc D´anjou becanme King of Spain

Did you read the others posts? If not, do it, because you are just talking shit about me.

[Cristiano viejo]

So, are you saying the nobles spaniards was governed there's centuries by non-spaniards? :eek:
Borbons are Spaniards in part. Absolutely all European Royal Houses have Spanish ancestry as well.
Your try of trolling is stupid, and absolutely childish.

[Tobi]

Borbons are Spaniards in part. Absolutely all European Royal Houses have Spanish ancestry as well.
Your try of trolling is stupid, and absolutely childish.

I'm not trolling, you said this: "A true Spaniard has 100% Spanish blood. If not, he is not Spaniard."

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm not trolling, you said this: "A true Spaniard has 100% Spanish blood. If not, he is not Spaniard."

So what with that?

[Tobi]

So what with that?

Just showing how ambiguous is this question.

[Cristiano viejo]

Just showing how ambiguous is this question.

Why ambiguous? I dont consider our Royal House as Spanish, where do you see that ambiguous?

[Tobi]

Why ambiguous? I dont consider our Royal House as Spanish, where do you see that ambiguous?

Because if the royal family isn't spanish and still has governed the Spain for centuries, what are the truly spaniards, puppets of foreigners?

I don't think so, for this I saying the royal family is spanish and one drop rule doesn't matter in Spain. Just that!

[Cristiano viejo]

Because if the royal family isn't spanish and still has governed the Spain for centuries, what are the truly spaniards, puppets of foreigners?

I don't think so, for this I saying the royal family is spanish and one drop rule doesn't matter in Spain. Just that!
Yes, I understood it but your point was super ridicolous, because any European Royal House has had Spanish blood as well, among a lot of ancestries more. Any European is puppet acording your strange logic.

[Smeagol]

He's a mixed Berber. There are very few pure original Berbers left in N. Africa.

Nonsense, most Northwest Africans are ethnically Berbers, even if they speak Arabic. There were not enough Arabs to have any kind of significant racial impact, and Semitic looks are rare in the Maghreb.

[StonyArabia]

Nonsense, most Northwest Africans are ethnically Berbers, even if they speak Arabic. There were not enough Arabs to have any kind of significant racial impact, and Semitic looks are rare in the Maghreb.

+1 well said.

[Yuffayur]

Nonsense, most Northwest Africans are ethnically Berbers, even if they speak Arabic. There were not enough Arabs to have any kind of significant racial impact, and Semitic looks are rare in the Maghreb.

Happily for us we lack of West and Southwest asian, no big noses lol.

[Cristiano viejo]

Happily for us we lack of West and Southwest asian, no big noses lol.

Are you speaking seriously?????

[Immortal Technique]

Subhuman without a doubt.

[Yuffayur]

Are you speaking seriously?????

Yes.

[Shah-Jehan]

Looks like Neymar. He's a bright prospect though, future Messi.

[Leto]

Munir looks like a quadroon to me
http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xfp1/1742353_276274055880527_80119742_n.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g73Q0TOsh_I/UrI3ejV4zwI/AAAAAAAAAYU/zXtLZTJdPnk/s1600/munir%20el%20haddadi,%20hh.jpg

[Germaniac]

Insuficient. He still has 0 Spanish blood.
A true Spaniard has 100% Spanish blood. If not, he is not Spaniard.
I agree North Africans will never be Spaniards and so on, as well as other non-Euros. However, I think you're being too radical to say anyone who isn't 100% Spanish cannot be a Spaniard. Many Spaniards are part Portuguese, part French, part Italian etc, so I think people born and raised in Spain, with Spanish culture and 100% european blood, given that most of it is Spanish, are also Spaniards, but that's just me lol

[Kagawa]

Subhuman without a doubt.

Why?

[Cristiano viejo]

I agree North Africans will never be Spaniards and so on, as well as other non-Euros. However, I think you're being too radical to say anyone who isn't 100% Spanish cannot be a Spaniard. Many Spaniards are part Portuguese, part French, part Italian etc, so I think people born and raised in Spain, with Spanish culture and 100% european blood, given that most of it is Spanish, are also Spaniards, but that's just me lol
Well, yes, more or less. I consider as Spaniards to people with former European mix. I know some Spaniards with former Italian, French, English, Irish, Portuguese origins (from 100 years ago, 200 years etc), and they are fully integrated and look absolutely Spanish.
No problem with that.

[Antimage]

Looks like Neymar. He's a bright prospect though, future Messi.

they look completely different

[Antimage]

his face is the weirdest shit I've ever seen. I'm not saying he's ugly or anything(he's good looking imo) but his face is unique

[Odin]

Saharid.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Saharid.

[Joso]

Saharid

[Axios]

You guys are pathetic, nobody said he's ethnic Spanish.

mUh Muh mUh battt he isss moooor not spanishhhh, pathetic old lowlife mongrels.

[Axios]

his face is the weirdest shit I've ever seen. I'm not saying he's ugly or anything(he's good looking imo) but his face is unique

I agree, he has a very weird facial shape.