Albanians vs. Sicilians: Who is whiter?

[Dombra]

Who is whiter of Albanians or Sicilians? A question requested by Guapo

Albanians are whiter :coffee:

[armenianbodyhair]

Neither

[Linebacker]

They both seem to be equally strong carriers of dat dere E1b.

[Bloodnigger]

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[alfieb]

Albanians are whiter than Sicilians. Alba is Latin for white.

[Bloodnigger]

Albanians are whiter than Sicilians. Alba is Latin for white.

Mount Alba was a battlefield between romans and picts.

Picts confirmed for ancient gheg highlanders?

[dralos]

Albanians are whiter than Sicilians. Alba is Latin for white.
as long both are southeuropeans and not degenerated and radiated slavs,i'm happy :)

[SKYNET]

albozzzzZZzzz

[Tooting Carmen]

What intelligence and imagination Dombra has with his threads.

[Guapo]

Neither

das raciss

[armenianbodyhair]

das raciss

reality is racist

[alfieb]

If Yugoserbia is the epitome of whiteness, then I would rather be green or whatever the fuck else we are. :coffee:

[Cristiano viejo]

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[Piccolo]

I do not really favor the term "white" because it is rather misleading. However, if we define "more white" as "more Northern European" I would guess the Sicilians because of the input of Normans and Lombards (North Italians) during the Middle Ages. Both Sicilians and Albanians are strongly Southern European though.

[crimethink]

Sicilian girls are often cute. Albanian females? LOL

Sicilians are part of White Christian European civilization. Albania is part of Islam.

[dralos]

Sicilian girls are often cute. Albanian females? LOL

Sicilians are part of White Christian European civilization. Albania is part of Islam.
now i see why you're retarded,you're 25%slavic oh

[Ianus]

This thread should be moved in the troll section.

[crimethink]

now i see why you're retarded,you're 25%slavic oh

LOL - Albania was, is, and always will be a land of retards. Was, is, and will remain the most backward region of Europe.

That 25% Slavic is Ukrainian. Ukraine has contributed countless scientists, scholars and artists to the world. Albania? HA HA HA HA

[dralos]

LOL - Albania was, is, and always will be a land of retards. Was, is, and will remain the most backward region of Europe.

That 25% Slavic is Ukrainian. Ukraine has contributed countless scientists, scholars and artists to the world. Albania? HA HA HA HA
jews are not ukranians btw you did contribute to make albanian mafia stronger with your bitchez,good thing your ukranian bitchez runs away to the states or else i would be selling your ass to some gypsy

[crimethink]

jews are not ukranians btw you did contribute to make albanian mafia stronger with your bitchez,good thing your ukranian bitchez runs away to the states or else i would be selling your ass to some gypsy

Why exactly is the Albanian name for Albania Shitqiperi? LOL

I was not referring to Jews but ethnic Ukrainians. For example, Oleg Antonov and Igor Sikorsky were no Jews.

Name an Albanian engineer who made a significant contribution.

[dralos]

Why exactly is the Albanian name for Albania Shitqiperi? LOL

I was not referring to Jews but ethnic Ukrainians. For example, Oleg Antonov and Igor Sikorsky were no Jews.

Name an Albanian engineer who made a significant contribution.
i wont even bother to play these games since i'm disappointed you escaped from my greedy hands

[Tobi]

Neither. North africans wins both!:rolleyes:

[special]

albanians aren't white for stormfront

[Sideritis]

albanians aren't white for stormfront

Lol.

[special]

Lol.

it's because of the religion I think. They also made fun of a apricity user who thought to be Illryan, I dont know if it's you.

[Sideritis]

Hmm. Is very strange, I see a lot of energy being spilled around this forum with manipulative picture, videos, articles, stupid question, distorted information and everything to show any kind of bs about Albanians. What's this fixation?
This thread is obviously a troll. Meanwhile I almost felt for the trick when I saw alboz itself voting for Sicilians being whiter. lol.

[Atvend]

albanians aren't white for stormfront

Stormfront isn't white enough for Albanians.

[Sideritis]

it's because of the religion I think. They also made fun of a apricity user who thought to be Illryan, I dont know if it's you.

Wait, until I care. Albanian is a multireligious country. We really live harmonically despite religious differences. Never heard any religious crime in Albania. But I see that in the west this kind of thing is not understandable and they try to project to us their intolerances. That is why they push hard to mention that we are All muslims. pff

[Sideritis]

Why exactly is the Albanian name for Albania Shitqiperi? LOL

I was not referring to Jews but ethnic Ukrainians. For example, Oleg Antonov and Igor Sikorsky were no Jews.

Name an Albanian engineer who made a significant contribution.

You are comparing two different kind of populations. For the amount of people we are, we have enough of scientis and well-known people in every corner. One of the most famous cosmologist nowadays is Albanian, Laura Mersini-Houghton.
There are Albanian in Ukraine, as you may know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Ukraine

[Sideritis]

You are comparing two different kind of populations. For the amount of people we are, we have enough of scientis and well-known people in every corner. One of the most famous cosmologist nowadays is Albanian, Laura Mersini-Houghton.
There are Albanians in Ukraine, as you may know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Ukraine

[Mens-Sarda]

Who is whiter of Albanians or Sicilians? A question requested by Guapo

Albanians are whiter :coffee:

always the same stupid posts from the same stupid persons :picard2:


you should really go to a good specialist, or there is something not working with you, or you have a troubling obsession for Mr. Clean :laugh: :laugh:

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[Drawing-slim]

Who is whiter of Albanians or Sicilians? A question requested by Guapo

Albanians are whiter :coffee:
Albanians are whiter than Sicilians, sicilians are whiter than greeks, greeks are whiter than serbs, or more European looking but equally dark niggers.

[glicine max]

albanians aren't white for stormfront
wtf?st are nothing more then a bunch of retards nothing scientific in them

[MINARDOWICZ]

Obviously Albanians.

[Alchemysta]

Both swarthy

[dawson]

albanians are muslims, sicilians not

[dawson]

today i learned that islam changes pigmentation


ok fustan..

[DRUM]

today i learned that islam changes pigmentation

does this mean I'm whiter than my muslim albanian friends

[Dun93]

Southern Albanians ( tosks ) are the same pigmentation and similar phenotypes with sicilians
Northern Albanians ( Ghegs ) are whiter

[Ianus]

Both swarthy

Why i'm not surprised that you resurrected a similar thread?

[Alchemysta]

What's wrong with that?

[Tiberio]

Stupid threads.

[Sikeliot]

Southern Albanians ( tosks ) are the same pigmentation and similar phenotypes with sicilians

No. Albanians look like (if not slightly lighter than) mainland Greeks, which is not true of Sicilians. I don't think Albanians look like Sicilians.

Albanians would be closer to the Adriatic coast of Italy -- Abruzzo and Apulia.

[Sikeliot]

Well if you don't look like Greeks you definitely aren't going to look Sicilian, since Albanians look more like Greeks than like Sicilians.

[Tiberio]

No. Albanians look like (if not slightly lighter than) mainland Greeks, which is not true of Sicilians. I don't think Albanians look like Sicilians.

Albanians would be closer to the Adriatic coast of Italy -- Abruzzo and Apulia.

You should to use words like: in my opinion, i think, to me etc.

[Sikeliot]

Well of course if I am saying it, it's my opinion, what else would it be?

IN MY OPINION Albanians and Sicilians look very little alike. Albanians look more like mainland Greeks than like Sicilians, by far. Sicilians are closer to (but not identical to) Cretans. Albanians have a unique look that is not shared with Sicily.

[alfieb]

There are plenty of Southern Albanians who can pass in Southern Italy, and vice-versa, including Tosks in Sicily.

For example, the most famous Tosk-American was John Belushi. You can't honestly say he wouldn't pass in Sicily as well as Greece.

[Sikeliot]

that is true though, but i've noticed quite a handful of sicilians could pass as well (especially in palermo, for obvious reasons)

you should consider forum-searching "classify albanian" and you'll get quite some results here, judge for yourself if they pass in greece or sicily to you, I'd honestly be very interested in your thoughts

Well if they pass in Sicily, they'd have to also pass in Greece because Albanians look more like Greeks than like Sicilians. It's only common sense. You are genetically much closer. The Greeks who overlap more with Sicily, like Cretans, do not look Albanian either.

[Tiberio]

Well if you don't look like Greeks you definitely aren't going to look Sicilian, since Albanians look more like Greeks than like Sicilians.

I know loads of Albanians and i don't think that. Northern Albanians can also looks like Edgar Cani if you want an example.

[alfieb]

No. Albanians look like (if not slightly lighter than) mainland Greeks, which is not true of Sicilians. I don't think Albanians look like Sicilians.

Albanians would be closer to the Adriatic coast of Italy -- Abruzzo and Apulia.
The bold part is the only part of your post which was not stated as fact, when it was all opinion.

And not one expressed by someone who has ever been to Sicily or Albania.

[Sikeliot]

I know loads of Albanians and i don't think that. Northern Albanians can also looks like Edgar Cani if you want an example.

You think Albanians fit in Sicily better than in Greece??

[Sikeliot]

The bold part is the only part of your post which was not stated as fact, when it was all opinion.

And not one expressed by someone who has ever been to Sicily or Albania.

I also don't consider them to be related to us, except indirectly through Greece.

[Sikeliot]

they probably do though?

Don't you always go on about how Albanians look nothing like Greeks? If not, how the hell do you expect them to look Sicilian and not like your own neighbor?

[Tiberio]

You think Albanians fit in Sicily better than in Greece??

Both population can easily pass, excluding some Albanians whohave their own real Balkan look. Certainly I don't think Albanians and Greeks look alike because I know many Albanians and some Greeks and I do noticed some differences.

[alfieb]

I also don't consider them to be related to us, except indirectly through Greece.
This is not the case in Palermo.

[Tiberio]

I also don't consider them to be related to us, except indirectly through Greece.

Albanians are by the first cousins of Southern Italians and Sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

Both population can easily pass, excluding some Albanians whohave their own real Balkan look. Certainly I don't think Albanians and Greeks look alike because I know many Albanians and some Greeks and I do noticed some differences.

You missed what I meant. You think Albanians look more like Sicilians than they look like Greeks? Meaning you think Albanians fit in Sicily more than in Greece??

[alfieb]

Albanians are by the first cousins of Southern Italians and Sicilians.

I would say Maltese first, and then either Greeks + other Italians, and then Albanians... but all of them before anyone else.

Sorry, Lebanese.

[Sikeliot]

Ok then. Show me Albanians who look Sicilian. Albanians to me look like a highland mountain people, if anything closer to Chechens and Georgians than to Sicilians.

[Tiberio]

Replace Calabrian and Salentini for me first than Maltese, second the latter, followed by other Italians, Greeks and Albanians. Not the rest.

[Highlands]

I don't care if some don't feel close to us
BUT
personally (not speaking for other albanians)
Sicilian/southern italian phenotypes look very familar to me and i don't feel racially different compared to when i see croats or bosniaks

[Tiberio]

Ok then. Show me Albanians who look Sicilian. Albanians to me look like a highland mountain people, if anything closer to Chechens and Georgians than to Sicilians.

Lorik Cana is one, but a lot (quite all) of my Albo friends can easily pass for native in Sicily and Italy. Same also the Greeks.

[Tiberio]

You missed what I meant. You think Albanians look more like Sicilians than they look like Greeks? Meaning you think Albanians fit in Sicily more than in Greece??

Nope, but Albanians and Mainlander Greeks don't really look exactly identical as you think except probably the Epirotans.

[alfieb]

Replace Calabrian and Salentini for me first than Maltese, second the latter, followed by other Italians, Greeks and Albanians. Not the rest.

You included Sicilians with Southern Italians, so I did as well.

Of course Sicilian-speakers in Calabria and Salento are the closest if you separate Sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

I consider Calabrese to basically be Sicilians.

Lorik Cana can pass but he also doesn't look like the look that Albanians post as typical.

[Sikeliot]

Sicilian/southern italian phenotypes look very familar to me and i don't feel racially different compared to when i see croats or bosniaks

But surely you'd look more like Greeks than like Sicilians no?

[Sikeliot]

Btw, let me add. I am not saying Albanians and Sicilians look nothing alike.. I think Sicilians look more like Albanians than like most other Europeans.. but I think Albanians look more like mainland Greeks than Sicilians, that's all I am saying, let me just clarify that now.

[alfieb]

I don't think Albanians look like Sicilians.
Don't look alike


Albanians and Sicilians look very little alike. Albanians have a unique look that is not shared with Sicily.
Look very little alike


Btw, let me add. I am not saying Albanians and Sicilians look nothing alike.. I think Sicilians look more like Albanians than like most other Europeans.. but I think Albanians look more like mainland Greeks than Sicilians, that's all I am saying, let me just clarify that now.
Look alike, but not as much as Greeks

We are witnessing human evolution in progress, all within a half an hour.

[Tiberio]

I don't care if some don't feel close to us
BUT
personally (not speaking for other albanians)
Sicilian/southern italian phenotypes look very familar to me and i don't feel racially different compared to when i see croats or bosniaks

The same for us. Sikeliot is a mixed american and don't represent the real southern Italian and Sicilian identity.

[Alchemysta]

The same for us. Sikeliot is a mixed american and don't represent the real southern Italian and Sicilian identity.

Why?

[alfieb]

Why?

Why would he represent Sicilians? He has never been to Sicily, doesn't speak Sicilian, and doesn't even have a relationship with his Sicilian-American father.

He represents himself. Which is not a bad thing. It is a lot easier and has less responsibilities than having to represent an entire people.

[Sikeliot]

We are witnessing human evolution in progress, all within a half an hour.

Well I think Sicilians look more like Albanians than like most Europeans, but it is because I think Sicilians have a unique set of looks not shared with most Europeans, nor most West Asians either. Albanians come closer than most but I don't think the overlap is that great. Compared to that between Albania and Greece, also.

[Sikeliot]

Why would he represent Sicilians? He has never been to Sicily, doesn't speak Sicilian, and doesn't even have a relationship with his Sicilian-American father.

He represents himself. Which is not a bad thing. It is a lot easier and has less responsibilities than having to represent an entire people.

I never claimed to represent anyone but me, either. Whenever I say something it is my own opinion, based on my own research and fact-finding, not anyone else's. :)

[alfieb]

I never claimed to represent anyone but me, either. Whenever I say something it is my own opinion, based on my own research and fact-finding, not anyone else's. :)

Then preface your opinion with "I think" or "In my opinion" so that people don't interpret it as a statement of fact.

[Alchemysta]

Sikeliot still have sicilian blood and feel like one,he is a smart guy,i think it's a gift for italian to be rapresented by him.

[Tiberio]

Can we close this stupid thread though?

[Sikeliot]

Then preface your opinion with "I think" or "In my opinion" so that people don't interpret it as a statement of fact.

Why should I? If they think that then it's their own misreading of my posts. If I am saying it, it's my opinion, otherwise I wouldn't be saying it.

[alfieb]

Why should I? If they think that then it's their own misreading of my posts. If I am saying it, it's my opinion, otherwise I wouldn't be saying it.

So if I say "There is no historical connection between Sicilians and Albanians." that is me only stating my opinion, or stating it as a fact?

Sounds pretty authoritative to me. Cut-and-dry.

There is no misreading. When someone ends a statement with a period and says something as if it is the truth, then there is no clue of "I'm only speaking of an individual opinion, and not an educated one."

[Sikeliot]

So if I say "There is no historical connection between Sicilians and Albanians." that is me only stating my opinion, or stating it as a fact?

Sounds pretty authoritative to me. Cut-and-dry.

I didn't say that. I said "I don't see why Sicilians should feel close to Albanians".

Or rather what I mean is, I don't see why Albanians should feel closer to Sicilians than they feel to Greeks. Albanian music sounds nothing like Sicilian, their food nothing alike ,etc. Greece culturally overlaps with both places though.

[Tiberio]

So if I say "There is no historical connection between Sicilians and Albanians." that is me only stating my opinion, or stating it as a fact?

Sounds pretty authoritative to me. Cut-and-dry.

There is no misreading. When someone ends a statement with a period and says something as if it is the truth, then there is no clue of "I'm only speaking of an individual opinion, and not an educated one."

Albanians aren't close to us but peoples that I've never considered in my life like Assyrians and Lebanese yes. xD

[Alchemysta]

Alfieb are you trying to be accepted by some bunch of retards?

[Tiberio]

My thread is better than this troll-born.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154403-Arbereshe-del-sud-Italia/page18

[alfieb]

i need to read more about this, the fact that you have history with skanderbeg should make others jealous of you

Of course we have historical ties to Albanians. The indigenous Sicans may have been Illyrian; Sicilians founded Alessio/Lezhe, the home of Skanderbeg; common Romano-Byzantine heritage; Skanderbeg fought with us; 500 years of Albanians in Sicily after Skanderbeg.

Like Tiberio and I have said. After other Italians, Maltese and Greeks, Albanians are the closest kin of Sicilians.

[Alchemysta]

Sikeliot is 100% right.

[Sikeliot]

Albanians aren't close to us but peoples that I've never considered in my life like Assyrians and Lebanese yes. xD

Albanian culture is in fact probably closer to Lebanese than Sicilian or Greek is. They're Muslim, their capital city looks like Baghdad transplanted in Europe, etc. If anything I think Albanians should feel closer to MENAs.

[Sikeliot]

Like Tiberio and I have said. After Greeks, Maltese, and other people from Italy, Albanians are the closest kin of Sicilians.

I agree to this, but I might put Cyprus before Albania.

Anyhow, saying this does not change, however, my view that Albanians are closer to Greeks than to Sicilians, and probably closer to Turks than Sicilians also due to culture.

[Sikeliot]

the thing is that greece culturally overlaps only with sicily, not albania/kosovo (talking music and food)

Then you've never heard traditional music from Epirus and northern Greece. But yes, Greece and Sicily have some cultural similarities, some forms of music being one of them.

[Tiberio]

Albanian culture is in fact probably closer to Lebanese than Sicilian or Greek is. They're Muslim, their capital city looks like Baghdad transplanted in Europe, etc. If anything I think Albanians should feel closer to MENAs.

I've been in Tirana and their city don't look nothing like a mideast city. It's just part of population who's muslim not all.

[alfieb]

Albanian culture is in fact probably closer to Lebanese than Sicilian or Greek is. They're Muslim, their capital city looks like Baghdad transplanted in Europe, etc. If anything I think Albanians should feel closer to MENAs.

:picard1:

Muslims from Albania are some of the least religious people I've met.

[Tiberio]

I agree to this, but I might put Cyprus before Albania.

Anyhow, saying this does not change, however, my view that Albanians are closer to Greeks than to Sicilians, and probably closer to Turks than Sicilians also due to culture.

Greek Cypriots are Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

My point stands. I don't see how Albanians could feel closer to Sicily than to Greece, in any way. Nor the reverse..

[Sikeliot]

Why should we feel closer to greeks rather than sicilians?

edit: didnt see last sentence

1. Neighbors
2. More genetic similarity
3. More similarities in music, food, and recent history

[alfieb]

My point stands. I don't see how Albanians could feel closer to Sicily than to Greece, in any way. Nor the reverse..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Lapide_marmorea_S_Nicolò_dei_Greci.jpg/800px-Lapide_marmorea_S_Nicolò_dei_Greci.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M_8BNeIcnaY/U66ympXd35I/AAAAAAAABhc/3Q2TPpePbGU/s1600/PALAZZO+circolo+Skanderbeg.JPG

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cVV21P4lK0w/hqdefault.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Ok, an Arbereshe town in Sicily. What about all of the Greeks, millions of them with Arvanite ancestry, the similarities in music, food, and the close genetic similarities between mainland Greeks and Albanians?

[Highlands]

Albanian culture is in fact probably closer to Lebanese than Sicilian or Greek is. They're Muslim, their capital city looks like Baghdad transplanted in Europe, etc. If anything I think Albanians should feel closer to MENAs.

Wow... I respected you before but you're a joke.

[alfieb]

Ok, an Arbereshe town in Sicily. What about all of the Greeks, millions of them with Arvanite ancestry, the similarities in music, food, and the close genetic similarities between mainland Greeks and Albanians?

The first photo was not of an Arbereshe town, but a monument in Palermo, a capital city of 600000 people.

[Highlands]

I agree to this, but I might put Cyprus before Albania.

Anyhow, saying this does not change, however, my view that Albanians are closer to Greeks than to Sicilians, and probably closer to Turks than Sicilians also due to culture.

What culture are you talking about ?:picard1:

You compare TRADITIONAL Greek culture with Sicilian culture
But you compare MINORITY/EXTREME/MODERN Albanian culture with Sicilian instead of our TRADITIONAL culture?

[Sikeliot]

Wow... I respected you before but you're a joke.

Ok I said part of it in frustration. But let's analyze it systematically before you immediately lose all respect.

1. Sicilians and Greeks are Christian. Albanians are Muslim.
2. Albanian music has a strong Turkish influence as do SOME kinds of Greek music. Sicilian music does not.
3. Albanians eat the same food as people in the Middle East, due to Ottoman rule of the Balkans and the Levant.

[Sikeliot]

What culture are you talking about ?:picard1:

You compare TRADITIONAL Greek culture with Sicilian culture
But you compare MINORITY/EXTREME/MODERN Albanian culture with Sicilian instead of our TRADITIONAL culture?

Show me cultural similarities shared with Sicily-Albania but not Greece.

[Alchemysta]

Sikeliot is killing everyone with logic,but kids trying to deny it...

[Sikeliot]

Sikeliot is killing everyone with logic,but kids trying to deny it...

I know you are trying to compliment me, but you're making me look bad.

[alfieb]

3. Albanians eat the same food as people in the Middle East, due to Ottoman rule of the Balkans and the Levant.
So do Greeks.

And I had a cirneco dell'etna and eat cuscusu, both of North African origins. That does not make me North African.

[Sikeliot]

So do Greeks.

And I had a cirneco dell'etna and eat cuscusu, both of North African origins. That does not make me North African.

Ok but it doesn't change my point. Albanians have more in common with Turks than Sicilians culturally, because the shared things between Greece-Sicily are not also shared with Albania. Greeks have shared elements with both Turkey and Sicily. Turkish and Sicilian cultures do not overlap.

I wish I could make a Venn diagram. Albania-Greece-Turkey overlap, as does Sicily-Greece, but I would not overlap Sicily with Albania or Turkey.

[Alchemysta]

I don't care :O

[Sikeliot]

I don't care :O

You are not adding anything useful to the discussion, you're just making me look bad.

[Alchemysta]

I am very happy today.

[Highlands]

Ok I said part of it in frustration. But let's analyze it systematically before you immediately lose all respect.

1. Sicilians and Greeks are Christian. Albanians are Muslim.
2. Albanian music has a strong Turkish influence as do SOME kinds of Greek music. Sicilian music does not.
3. Albanians eat the same food as people in the Middle East, due to Ottoman rule of the Balkans and the Levant.

1. There are many Christian Albanians and literally no cultural difference
2. You compare modern/shitty Turbo-Folk Music which we don't all listen to. Compare our Traditional Music (which is not similar to Sicilian music btw but NOT mena)
3. Our food is varied and our cuisine is Balkanic or coastal depending on location- weird thing is we see Greek food as "Middle eastern"

There is big cultural difference between Albanians proper and ex-Yugo Albanians for a start
I'm not trying to associate with Sicilians in a desperate way, just saying that there is no unified Albanian culture and it's not MENA
If we are closer to MENA I would accept it but why accept something that isn't true.

[Sikeliot]

Why do you even bring Turkey in this conversation?

Because Albanians do not feel culturally close to Turkey, yet the cultural elements shared with Turkey are greater than those with Sicily.

Here is a Venn diagram capturing my view of how this all works, just so people understand.

http://i59.tinypic.com/6g93z5.jpg

[Tiberio]

1. There are many Christian Albanians and literally no cultural difference
2. You compare modern/shitty Turbo-Folk Music which we don't all listen to. Compare our Traditional Music (which is not similar to Sicilian music btw but NOT mena)
3. Our food is varied and our cuisine is Balkanic or coastal depending on location- weird thing is we see Greek food as "Middle eastern"

There is big cultural difference between Albanians proper and ex-Yugo Albanians for a start
I'm not trying to associate with Sicilians in a desperate way, just saying that there is no unified Albanian culture and it's not MENA
If we are closer to MENA I would accept it but why accept something that isn't true.

Sikeliot has a MENA fetish and he wants to create a brotherhood-connection between them and South Eastern Europeans.

[Sikeliot]

1. There are many Christian Albanians and literally no cultural difference
2. You compare modern/shitty Turbo-Folk Music which we don't all listen to. Compare our Traditional Music (which is not similar to Sicilian music btw but NOT mena)
3. Our food is varied and our cuisine is Balkanic or coastal depending on location- weird thing is we see Greek food as "Middle eastern"

There is big cultural difference between Albanians proper and ex-Yugo Albanians for a start
I'm not trying to associate with Sicilians in a desperate way, just saying that there is no unified Albanian culture and it's not MENA
If we are closer to MENA I would accept it but why accept something that isn't true.


I understand, I am just tired of seeing Albanians on here say they are closer to Sicilians than to Greeks, when really Greeks are closer to both groups than they are to one another. Not that I would mind being close to Albanian culture but I just do not see it or feel a connection except that I see Albanians as a Greek-like people and I feel close to Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

Sikeliot has a MENA fetish and he wants to create a brotherhood-connection between them and South Eastern Europeans.

If I had a MENA fetish I'd want to be culturally closer to Albanians since their culture is more MENA than that of Sicilians.

[alfieb]

Because Albanians do not feel culturally close to Turkey, yet the cultural elements shared with Turkey are greater than those with Sicily.

Here is a Venn diagram capturing my view of how this all works, just so people understand.

http://i59.tinypic.com/6g93z5.jpg

Disagree.

[Sikeliot]

Disagree.

Redo it then? I'm curious how you'd do it.

Hey, at least I linked Sicily and Iberia. I may not be the biggest fan of Spain but I admit the cultural similarities -- both Roman and North African in origin.

[Highlands]

Ok our culture is MENA :rolleyes:

[Tiberio]

The culturally similarities between us and Spain have a different origins. You know?Aragonese remained here for more than 500 years.

[Sikeliot]

The culturally similarities between us and Spain have a different origins. You know?Aragonese remained here for more than 500 years.

I assumed it was Roman influences and common Moorish rule.

[Pjeter Pan]

Sikeliot your really pissing me the fuck off. Your don't know shit about albania, yet you keep running your mouth. Stop talking about things you have absolutely no clue about. Albanian don't have MENA culture you moron, our music isn't fucking Turkish. Only similarities we share with the MENA is fucking islam.

Please don't speak again.

[Sikeliot]

Ok our culture is MENA :rolleyes:

I don't see what issue you took with what I said. Sicilian-Greek culture overlaps, but Greek-Albanian-Turkish cultures also overlap, and Sicilian-Turkish not. Sicilian culture also has shared elements with Iberia and North Africa that do not exist in Albania or Greece.

[StonyArabia]

Albanian culture is in fact probably closer to Lebanese than Sicilian or Greek is. They're Muslim, their capital city looks like Baghdad transplanted in Europe, etc. If anything I think Albanians should feel closer to MENAs.

No Albanian culture is just that Albanian. Their capital looks like Baghdad, well I don't think so. Despite Albanians being Muslims their basic culture is still European. You can ask any MENA they wi tell you they don't find much commonalities with Albanians culturally.

[Sikeliot]

No Albanian culture is just that Albanian. Their capital looks like Baghdad, well I don't think so. Despite Albanians being Muslims their basic culture is still European. You can ask any MENA they wi tell you they don't find much commonalities with Albanians culturally.

Ok but people missed my point. From my understanding of Sicilian culture, Albanian culture has an eastern-ness that is foreign to Sicily. That's all.

[safinator]

Ok I said part of it in frustration. But let's analyze it systematically before you immediately lose all respect.

1. Sicilians and Greeks are Christian. Albanians are Muslim.
2. Albanian music has a strong Turkish influence as do SOME kinds of Greek music. Sicilian music does not.
3. Albanians eat the same food as people in the Middle East, due to Ottoman rule of the Balkans and the Levant.

You should get a more useful hobby instead of talking about places you have never been too cause you're literally spewing bullshit left and right.

[Sikeliot]

Ok can someone then SHOW ME cultural similarities between Sicily and Albania. Anything. Common architecture, common ways of life, music styles, food, etc.

Here is Sicilian music. Some of it sounds uniquely southern Italian, some has stylistic elements shared with Greece. I have yet to hear anything from Albania like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0MTe_s0bOM

[glicine max]

My point stands. I don't see how Albanians could feel closer to Sicily than to Greece, in any way. Nor the reverse..
maybe because albanians and greeks can't stand each other? ;)

[Journeyman26]

Ok but people missed my point. From my understanding of Sicilian culture, Albanian culture has an eastern-ness that is foreign to Sicily. That's all.

Absolutely! Albanian culture is a mix of illyrio-hellenic culture with Turkish elements. Turks were in direct control of Albania since 1385 after the Battle of Savra. It is ludicrous to think that aspects of Albanian/Greek culture were not influenced by the Turko-Ottoman occupation. The music, the clothing, the food etc. For example, I love Greek coffee, but it is clearly Turkish coffee! Sicily on the other hand was never a Turkish possession, and as such the Greek influence on Sicily came from the Byzantines and classical Greece (syracuse), which had not been influenced by the Turks yet.

[Era]

Ok but people missed my point. From my understanding of Sicilian culture, Albanian culture has an eastern-ness that is foreign to Sicily. That's all.

It doesn't. It's way more culturally "western" than sicilians, it has big cities literary and scientific tradition that Sicily lack. Just to give an example, a century ago around 1915 until 1944 it was created an intelligentsia in huge numbers that was educated in the West, mainly Austria, Germany, France and Northern Italy. It was state sponsored. Sicily was an illiterate village in comparison.

[Sikeliot]

Absolutely! Albanian culture is a mix of illyrio-hellenic culture with Turkish elements. Turks were in direct control of Albania since 1385 after the Battle of Savra. It is ludicrous to think that aspects of Albanian/Greek culture were not influenced by the Turko-Ottoman occupation. The music, the clothing, the food etc. For example, I love Greek coffee, but it is clearly Turkish coffee! Sicily on the other hand was never a Turkish possession, and as such the Greek influence on Sicily came from the Byzantines and classical Greece (syracuse), which had not been influenced by the Turks yet.

Correct. Sicilian culture has Byzantine influence, and you see this in some of the music styles, architecture and so on. Albanian culture shares elements with Greece that are legacy of Ottoman rule, which is not shared with Sicily, so as such I can see Greece overlapping with both Sicily and Albania culturally, but not Albanian and Sicilian.

"Native" Albanian culture, as people are pointing out that lacks Turkish influence, I am unaware of but I cannot imagine it is similar to Sicilian either.

[Ballist]

They are usually on par, this is a hard one. I'd say Albanians.

[Sikeliot]

It doesn't. It's way more culturally "western" than sicilians, it has big cities literary and scientific tradition that Sicily lack. Just to give an example, a century ago around 1915 until 1944 it was created an intelligentsia in huge numbers that was educated in the West, mainly Austria, Germany, France and Northern Italy. It was state sponsored. Sicily was an illiterate village in comparison.

I'm talking about music styles and food items. This is Albanian music and to me it sounds eastern, a lot like Turkish and some kinds of Greek music from the mainland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNd8CRa48Uk

[Highlands]

Sikeliot, what do you think of this Albanian art which captures Albanian traditional culture? (none of the modern Balkanic gypo crap).
Link (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?85029-Albanian-Art)

[Sikeliot]

Sikeliot, what do you think of this Albanian art which captures Albanian traditional culture? (none of the modern Balkanic gypo crap).
Link (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?85029-Albanian-Art)

Not like Turkish at all but I still do not see any link to Sicily which was my point from the get go. Greek culture without the Ottoman influences is similar to Sicilian in many ways and I do not see this in Albanian.

[Sikeliot]

thats litteraly epirotian music you malaka, it sounds identical to greek music, doesn't even fucking exist in turkey

Whatever it is, it's stereotype Albanian music and is not shared with Sicily.

In this I hear some similarities to music that I am familiar with from southern Italy, however:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNruCj6nFcI

[Era]

I'm talking about music styles and food items. This is Albanian music and to me it sounds eastern, a lot like Turkish and some kinds of Greek music from the mainland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNd8CRa48Uk

Nope it doesn't sound turkish at all. It's just tosk folk music.

[Sikeliot]

Nope it doesn't sound turkish at all. It's just tosk folk music.

But you can surely see how to my ears it sounds "eastern", right? Compared to this, which I guess you could say has some sort of MENA influence in some styles but not anything like Ottoman or Turkish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_l80t5KQ0

[Era]

But you can surely see how to my ears it sounds "eastern", right? Compared to this, which I guess you could say has some sort of MENA influence in some styles but not anything like Ottoman or Turkish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_l80t5KQ0

Yeah that sounds more like spanish. But because Albanian doesn't sound like that doesn't make it turkish. It's not one or the other. I can bring you now some german folk music and say it sounds like turkish because it doesn't sound sicilian.

[Tiberio]

just lock the fucking thread lol

Every threads for trolling Sicilians can't be lock.

[alfieb]

Redo it then? I'm curious how you'd do it.

Hey, at least I linked Sicily and Iberia. I may not be the biggest fan of Spain but I admit the cultural similarities -- both Roman and North African in origin.

http://************.com/uploads/venn.png

[pelikarski]

But you can surely see how to my ears it sounds "eastern", right? Compared to this, which I guess you could say has some sort of MENA influence in some styles but not anything like Ottoman or Turkish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_l80t5KQ0

The Ottoman influence in the Balkans is mostly in the sphere of cuisine and some words borrowed from the Turks, for everyday life.
Pure Bulgarian folklore has no Ottoman influence
Sounds Ottoman to your ears?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDA7L53tD2s

[Sikeliot]

Yeah that sounds more like spanish.

It doesn't sound Spanish either.

[Tiberio]

albanians can sympathize with this, happens to us all the time m8

True but anyway we're the most stalkered and trolled ethnicity in this forum.

[Era]

It doesn't sound Spanish either.

I beg to differ.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWXNSlZU0Us

[ChocolateFace]

Dismissing the Ottoman cultural influence of the Balkans is silly.

[Highlands]

I'm talking about music styles and food items. This is Albanian music and to me it sounds eastern, a lot like Turkish and some kinds of Greek music from the mainland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNd8CRa48Uk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoJKHmkb0g4

you can hear this identical type of music in this greek olympics video go to 7:40
it is not mena/turkish they don't listen to anything like this
it's balkan epirotic folk music found in Epirus/Southern Albania

[alfieb]

http://************.com/uploads/venn.png

Since my venn diagram was ignored, I'll repeat it, to further educate Sikeliot. :lol:

[Sikeliot]

I beg to differ.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWXNSlZU0Us

The language but not the style or the instruments.

What about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwZE2tP9c94

[Hithaeglir]

Since my venn diagram was ignored, I'll repeat it, to further educate Sikeliot. :lol:

Erase Turkey from that diagram and it'll be accurate.

[alfieb]

Erase Turkey from that diagram and it'll be accurate.

I didn't overlap Greeks with Turks. I overlapped Albanians with Turks.

[Hithaeglir]

sadly cant deny their influence, those centuries were dark times

Then call their influences Persian,because this is what they are.

[Sikeliot]

Since my venn diagram was ignored, I'll repeat it, to further educate Sikeliot. :lol:

I'd remove the Albania-Sicily overlap and move Punic to overlap with Iberia, Sicily and Malta, and then I can agree.

[Hithaeglir]

I didn't overlap Greeks with Turks. I overlapped Albanians with Turks.

It's a shame for them.They're better than that.

[Tiberio]

1) How is it possible that this troll thread went to many pages????


I mean this thread is so ridiculous, that a little dwarf of 165 cm with unibrow and a mix of 4 different ethnicities who has never stepped in europe dares to talk and even becomes an expert on Albanian Culture, by determining what is ''ottoman'' and what is native and how much it is MENA etc etc..

1) Because trolling Sicilians (and Albanians i do think now) is very funny for someone.

2) Because MENA, mixed and Latrinos are a bunch of insecure who troll certain ethnicities for agenda.

3) You're my idol.

[alfieb]

I'd remove the Albania-Sicily overlap and move Punic to overlap with Iberia, Sicily and Malta, and then I can agree.

Punic does overlap with Spain, Sicily, and Malta.

And you're alone in your belief about Albania-Sicily. Whether you consider them your kin or not, they are the kin of the Sicilian people.

[Era]

The language but not the style or the instruments.

What about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwZE2tP9c94

Sounds like Korca music, a city in South Albania


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k77L0PsCpJg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_UkuxLC7_U

This is from Shkoder up north

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgk0izMVBS8

[Sikeliot]

Punic does overlap with Spain, Sicily, and Malta.

And you're alone in your belief about Albania-Sicily. Whether you consider them your kin or not, they are the kin of the Sicilian people.

I just don't see it. Sorry. I see them as kin of Greeks.

[Tiberio]

Punic does overlap with Spain, extreme western Sicily, and Malta.

Fixed bro.

[alfieb]

Fixed bro.

Fine. More cuscusu for me. ;)

[Tiberio]

Fine. More cuscusu for me. ;)

Infatti lo mangiate solo a Trapani e San Vito ma sei un Elimo-Ligure tu :P

[Sikeliot]

Elymians had nothing to do with Ligurians, not sure why you keep saying that.

Also, northern Spain has as little to do with Punic as does eastern Sicily if not less.

[Virtuous]

Col cazzo de cuscsu. Non mi e' mai piacuto.

[alfieb]

Infatti lo mangiate solo a Trapani e San Vito ma sei un Elimo-Ligure tu :P

La mia famiglia è Castellammarese. Stessa cosa come Sanvitese.

[Tiberio]

Elymians had nothing to do with Ligurians, not sure why you keep saying that.


In the Elymian area there are many Ligurian toponyms and Guido Libertini and especially Luigi Bernabò Brea claim that they were Ligurians basing on the arts.

[Tiberio]

La mia famiglia è Castellammarese. Stessa cosa come Sanvitese.

Quindi Elimo e bell beaker.

[Sikeliot]

In the Elymian area there are many Ligurian toponyms and Guido Libertini and especially Luigi Bernabò Brea claim that they were Ligurians basing on the arts.

What I have read is that the Elymian language was related to Greek. So it is like it was an Indo-European language from Anatolia. I suspect also the possibility that it was related to Armenian.

Anyway I think in this thread we all got a bit carried away. The only way my opinion differs from others is that 1) I see no relation between Sicily and Albania culturally, and 2) I see Albanian culture as more MENA than other users do. For once I am not comparing Sicilians to MENAs, you should be happy.

[alfieb]

Quindi Elimo e bell beaker.

Neolitico. E allora?

[Era]

What I have read is that the Elymian language was related to Greek. So it is like it was an Indo-European language from Anatolia. I suspect also the possibility that it was related to Armenian.

Anyway I think in this thread we all got a bit carried away. The only way my opinion differs from others is that 1) I see no relation between Sicily and Albania culturally, and 2) I see Albanian culture as more MENA than other users do. For once I am not comparing Sicilians to MENAs, you should be happy.

Yeah Sicilians and Albanians both have vendettas in common unlike all the others, just to name one important element

[Sikeliot]

Yeah Sicilians and Albanians both have vendettas in common unlike all the others, just to name one important element

That's an eastern mentality in general.

[alfieb]

That's an eastern mentality in general.

So? Sicilians and Albanians have historically been more clannish than Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

So? Sicilians and Albanians have historically been more clannish than Greeks.

I don't know what to say. I guess I'm going to leave it with this: if you want to consider Albanians your kin, go for it. I don't. That's all there is to it. Kinship is a feeling, not always based in fact, and I don't feel it.

[alfieb]

I don't know what to say. I guess I'm going to leave it with this: if you want to consider Albanians your kin, go for it. I don't. That's all there is to it. Kinship is a feeling, not always based in fact, and I don't feel it.

You're entitled to feel a kinship with whoever you want, as an individual that is your right.

But as a collective, the people of Sicily, as well as the people of Calabria and the people of Apulia feel kinship with Albanians.

[Sikeliot]

But as a collective, the people of Sicily, as well as the people of Calabria and the people of Apulia feel kinship with Albanians.

But not with Greece? Panormus told me Palermitans do not feel kinship with Greece.

[Tiberio]

Salentini as well.

[Sikeliot]

Salentini as well.

He said Apulian.

[Sikeliot]

What is unfathomable to me is Sicilians and Albanians feeling closer to one another than either one feels to Greeks.

What about music like this? This song is originally Albanian and now is also a Greek song. Nothing like it in Sicily and it's the epitome of Albanian sounding music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1VF7C8vrmc

[alfieb]

But not with Greece? Panormus told me Palermitans do not feel kinship with Greece.

Palermitans probably feel it less than other Sicilians do, but I think he is an extreme case, as he is an Italian nationalist and a Romanophile.

[Sikeliot]

Palermitans probably feel it less than other Sicilians do, but I think he is an extreme case, as he is an Italian nationalist and a Romanophile.

Surely most southern Italians feel closer to Greeks than to Albanians though no?

[alfieb]

Surely most southern Italians feel closer to Greeks than to Albanians though no?

You'd have to ask them.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Dialects_of_the_Albanian_Language2.PNG

If you live anywhere near the yellow, you'd probably feel more closely with Alb0z than Hellen3z.

[Sikeliot]

Those are Arbereshe though. I mean the mainstream southern Italians, do they not consider Greeks close kin?

Also listen to the song I posted. Tell me if we have anything like it because as far as I know, nope :lol:

[Cleitus]

Albanians theres no question about that, althought you cant say that all Albanians are the same Ghegs are Racially quite different from Tosks, Ghegs have much more Baltid,Nordid,Gorid,Dinarid.

[Peter Nirsch]

Albanians aren't mixed with arabs, but with turks that are a little bit whiter than North - Africans, so I vote Albanians.

[Sideritis]

What is unfathomable to me is Sicilians and Albanians feeling closer to one another than either one feels to Greeks.

What about music like this? This song is originally Albanian and now is also a Greek song. Nothing like it in Sicily and it's the epitome of Albanian sounding music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1VF7C8vrmc

You clearly have no clue about Albanians. Or you probably make up stuff just because "you feel like it"

North https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xygZpEsDBIE

South https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NpfebT_ptw
South 2( polyphonic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvVwGi5y4sE

If you don't see the difference than you probably have no ear for music.

[Sideritis]

Those are Arbereshe though. I mean the mainstream southern Italians, do they not consider Greeks close kin?

Also listen to the song I posted. Tell me if we have anything like it because as far as I know, nope :lol:

On the other side, Albanians brought polyphonic music to non-albanian places in Calabria, Sicily and Sardegna. http://research.culturalequity.org/get-radio-detailed-show.do?showId=33

[Dun93]

Albanians aren't mixed with arabs, but with turks that are a little bit whiter than North - Africans, so I vote Albanians.

Albanians aren't mixed with turks
Those who did are in turkey nowadays .

even the leaders of the ottomans in Albanian areas were Albanians or they werent ;)

[alfieb]

Albanians aren't mixed with turks
Those who did are in turkey nowadays .

even the leaders of the ottomans in Albanian areas were Albanians or they werent ;)

Muhammad Ali Dynasty in Egypt and Mustafa Kemal in Turkey were Albanians, but the leaders of Albania are not Turks.

A shame that the leader of Albanian Orthodox Church is a Greek.

[Peter Nirsch]

lol, sicilians are giving me thumbs down just because I wrote that in my opinion Albanians are whiter.

[Dun93]

Muhammad Ali Dynasty in Egypt and Mustafa Kemal in Turkey were Albanians, but the leaders of Albania are not Turks.

A shame that the leader of Albanian Orthodox Church is a Greek.

Not for so long ...

Orthodoxs are our weakest point , In the north mostly are assimilated to macedonians and serbs
in south they are heavily commanded by greece

[Sideritis]

lol, sicilians are giving me thumbs down just because I wrote that in my opinion Albanians are whiter.

I think it was the " mixed with arabs" which piss them of.

[Sideritis]

wasnt Anastasios born in greece to albanian parents

No he is greek. They say he is Cham-Albanian but I never heard him confirm this.

[Peter Nirsch]

I think it was the " mixed with arabs" which piss them of.

wasn't Sicily a Emirate ruled by arabs? Many Italians act as self haters....

[alfieb]

wasn't Sicily a Emirate ruled by arabs? Many Italians act as self haters....

10000 years of history. 200 years of Arab rule.

So when people call us Arabs, we :rolleyes:

[Sideritis]

i just think thats cool, no reason to be paranoid for

Who is paranoid? He has been around for 25 years now. Nobody has gone crazy, we just have huger( like suuuper huge) orthodox churches. Than people wonder where did the greek loan money went. :rolleyes:lol

[Peter Nirsch]

10000 years of history. 200 years of Arab rule.

So when people call us Arabs, we :rolleyes:

and...what about genetics and phenotypes?

[Tiberio]

wasn't Sicily a Emirate ruled by arabs? Many Italians act as self haters....

All the muslims were killed and deported, it's history.

[Peter Nirsch]

All the muslims were killed and deported, it's history.

rofl

and stop to give senseless thumbs down
I would report you and Fustan.

[Sikeliot]

All the muslims were killed and deported, it's history.

Most Muslims in Sicily were native converts.

[Tiberio]

Peter Gayrisch.

[Tiberio]

Most Muslims in Sicily were native converts.

And they were deported as well in Lucera and North Africa.

[Sikeliot]

And they were deported as well in Lucera and North Africa.


So it was native Sicilian converts expelled and deported then.

[allalor]

You should get a more useful hobby instead of talking about places you have never been too cause you're literally spewing bullshit left and right.

Amen bro :thumb001:

[Sikeliot]

Peter Gayrisch.

Ok now this one pisses me off because I am actually homosexual, you should apologize for your homophobia, and not be an asshole.

[Tiberio]

So it was native Sicilian converts expelled and deported then.

Yes during the kingdom of Federico II, the inhabitans of Lucera were later sold as slaves by Carlo D'angiò.

[Sikeliot]

Yes during the kingdom of Federico II, the inhabitans of Lucera were later sold as slaves by Carlo D'angiò.

Ok but it wouldn't have changed the demographics or genes. Most Sicilian Muslims were natives who converted.

So if anything, expelling them to North Africa put Sicilian genes in North Africa, not the reverse.

[Tiberio]

No i'm not homophobic, so I apologize. I will invent new words for Peter Trisch.

[Sikeliot]

Ok this is getting nasty. Lock.


No i'm not homophobic, so I apologize. I will invent new words for Peter Trisch.

Thank you.