View Full Version : Classify seven female French politicians of North African origin
Tooting Carmen
09-25-2014, 10:20 PM
I've posted them before in different contexts, but even so.
Rachida Dati
https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/1/16/1389896009875/Rachida-Dati-014.jpg
Nora Berra
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Nora_Berra_MEP_1.jpg
Karima Delli
http://blog.slate.fr/europe-27etc/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Karima-Delli-eurodeputee-cout.jpg
Tokia Saifi
http://elections2007.lavoixdunord.fr/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/saifi_lefebvre.jpg
Yamina Benguigui
http://oumma.com/sites/default/files/yamina-benguigui-10-reporters.jpg
Najat Vallaud-Belkacem
http://www.planetecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Najat-Vallaud-Belkacem-014.jpg
Myriam El-Khomri
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/image/750kgf4kp-0146/578/325/4627179.jpg
Kamal900
09-25-2014, 10:44 PM
Its difficult to say, but i would say that half of them can pass in the levant, and the other half pass in south asia(north-west indians or Pakistanis).
Tooting Carmen
09-25-2014, 10:45 PM
Its difficult to say, but i would say that half of them can pass in the levant, and the other half pass in south asia(north-west indians or Pakistanis).
Which ones do which?
Kamal900
09-25-2014, 10:51 PM
Which ones do which?
Pictures 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 can pass in the levant, while the rest in north-west india. However, i can say that most of the pictures can pass in India as well, and vice versa.
Kemalisté
09-25-2014, 10:55 PM
Karima Delli is cute. Sorry I'm bad at classifying.
Tooting Carmen
09-26-2014, 12:58 AM
bump
Hadouken
09-26-2014, 12:59 AM
Najat Vallaud-Belkacem is a cutie :o
Tooting Carmen
09-26-2014, 01:03 AM
Sorry, but may we have some classifications please instead of turning this into a beauty contest?:picard1:
randomguy1235
09-26-2014, 01:09 AM
Pictures 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 can pass in the levant, while the rest in north-west india. However, i can say that most of the pictures can pass in India as well, and vice versa.
Not number 3
Tooting Carmen
09-26-2014, 01:15 AM
Not number 3
Why not? And how'd you classify her and the others?
armenianbodyhair
09-26-2014, 01:20 AM
Delli? Damnit now I want a sandwich
Tooting Carmen
09-26-2014, 01:21 AM
Has the IQ of this forum really dropped today or what??? May we please have some classifications of the seven women?
Sikeliot
09-26-2014, 03:30 AM
I listed next to them what I'd guess.
Gracile Med-- Iberian
Med-Taurid -- Sicilian
South Med -- Puerto Rican
Med-Semitic -- Levantine or Cypriot (could be an exotic Sicilian)
South Med-Berid -- Iberian
Berid quadroon -- Puerto Rican
Gracile Med-Berberid -- Canarian
Tooting Carmen
09-26-2014, 03:42 AM
I listed next to them what I'd guess.
Gracile Med-- Iberian
Med-Taurid -- Sicilian
South Med -- Puerto Rican
Med-Semitic -- Levantine or Cypriot (could be an exotic Sicilian)
South Med-Berid -- Iberian
Berid quadroon -- Puerto Rican
Gracile Med-Berberid -- Canarian
Finally, an intelligent and useful contribution to the thread. Thank you ever so much.:thumb001:
Sikeliot
09-26-2014, 03:59 AM
Finally, an intelligent and useful contribution to the thread. Thank you ever so much.:thumb001:
I'd even go so far as to say the first woman looks stereotypically or even uniquely Iberian.
Tooting Carmen
09-26-2014, 04:55 AM
I'd even go so far as to say the first woman looks stereotypically or even uniquely Iberian.
Really? She surely looks at least equally Italian as she does Iberian.
Sikeliot
09-26-2014, 05:06 AM
Not to me. The second one fits better in Italy.
Petalpusher
09-26-2014, 11:02 AM
Dati could pass as Iberian ?§ I don't think so. Her brother looks like that
http://www.lexpress.fr/pictures/507/259635_jamal-dati-frere-de-l-eurodeputee-et-ex-garde-des-sceaux-rachida-dati-a-paris-le-1er-octobre-2009.jpg
In my opinion, only Berra could pass as Italian or Spanish/Portugal but barely.
Tooting Carmen
09-26-2014, 11:04 AM
Dati could pass as Iberian ?§ I don't think so. Her brother looks like that
http://www.lexpress.fr/pictures/507/259635_jamal-dati-frere-de-l-eurodeputee-et-ex-garde-des-sceaux-rachida-dati-a-paris-le-1er-octobre-2009.jpg
In my opinion, only Berra could pass as Italian or Spanish/Portugal but barely.
Actually, imo her brother looks even more non-European than her. While some of the examples in the OP are light-skinned, I don't think any of them really have European facial features (Iberian, Italian or otherwise, except as you say for Nora Berra).
Petalpusher
09-26-2014, 11:12 AM
As far as i know, none of them have french parents so there s no surprise they just look North African as expected, and would have hard time passing as European anywhere. Dati is Algerian-Moroccan, Berra, only Algerian, not sure about the others, but i would guess not.
Tooting Carmen
09-28-2014, 03:01 AM
bump
aherne
09-28-2014, 05:33 AM
Rachida Dati: Alpine + Med (passes as Euro)
Nora Berra: Afalou + Berberid (passes as Euro)
the rest: typical berbers (mix of East Med and Alpine)
Both Rachida Dati and Najat Vallaud-Belkacem are very attractive. They both pass with ease as Italian.
Yuffayur
10-22-2014, 11:57 AM
Mostly Med + CM, passes in NW Africa, and some in Southern Europe. as a bunch they look very NorthWestern African(Berbers).
Both Rachida Dati and Najat Vallaud-Belkacem are very attractive. They both pass with ease as Italian.
Not really.
Tooting Carmen
10-22-2014, 12:04 PM
Not really.
I'm inclined to agree with you, but please explain why not even so.
Ouistreham
10-22-2014, 12:10 PM
As far as i know, none of them have french parents so there s no surprise they just look North African as expected, and would have hard time passing as European anywhere. Dati is Algerian-Moroccan, Berra, only Algerian, not sure about the others, but i would guess not.
The only one with some European ancestry is Najat Belkacem who has a Spanish grand-mother.
http://www.planetecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Najat-Vallaud-Belkacem-014.jpg
I'm inclined to agree with you, but please explain why not even so.
Surely they both can't pass with ease as Italian. Even if Rachida and Najat are not average North African, they are still too much exotic to an average Italian look. That kind of exotism you can only found in a very low percentage of south Italians.
The mouth of Rachida Dati and other details make her surely more North African than an average South European.
http://s.tf1.fr/mmdia/i/96/8/rachida-dati-4512968yvgoj_1713.jpg
Tooting Carmen
10-22-2014, 12:39 PM
Surely they both can't pass with ease as Italian. Because they are too much exotic to an average Italian look, that kind of exotism you can only found in a very low percentage of south Italians.
The mouth of Rachida Dati and other details make her surely more North African than an average South European.
http://s.tf1.fr/mmdia/i/96/8/rachida-dati-4512968yvgoj_1713.jpg
And what about Nora Berra?
And what about Nora Berra?
She looks to me more an exotic Spanish than an exotic Italian.
Is really Berra a North African surname?
D´Sanglard
10-22-2014, 02:32 PM
She looks to me more an exotic Spanish than an exotic Italian.
Is really Berra a North African surname?
I thought about that too. I have a friend, français de souche and his surname is Berra. There is also an ice hockey player, Swiss, called Reto Berra and he is totally European
I thought about that too. I have a friend, français de souche and his surname is Berra. There is also an ice hockey player, Swiss, called Reto Berra and he is totally European
I found this
"Nom italien fréquent en Lombardie et dans le Piémont, où on trouve aussi la forme Bera. On peut y voir un nom de personne germanique (Bera, racine "ber" = ours), assez courant au haut Moyen-Âge, mais la forme avec double r, de loin la plus fréquente, laisse envisager d'autres possibilités. Ainsi, le mot "berra" désigne la brebis dans divers dialectes du nord de l'Italie. On pensera aussi à un toponyme, avec le sens de plateau ou plaine inculte (sens attesté en Savoie pour "berre")."
http://www.geneanet.org/genealogie/fr/berra.html
Currently, Berra is a common surname in Piedmont and Lombardy. Reto Berra could be related to this.
http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/BERRA
The most ancient French examples on geneanet.
BERRA Sermérieu (Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France) 1665 - 1736
BERRA Villers Pol (Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France) 1589 - 1706
BERRA Nice Ste Rép (Alpes Maritimes, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France) 1568 - 1673
According to French sources Nora est la fille d'un tirailleur algérien, qui fut prisonnier pendant cinq ans durant la seconde guerre mondiale. But Berra as a surname was surely spread in Europe before the XVII century.
Tooting Carmen
01-28-2015, 03:03 AM
bump
Shah-Jehan
01-28-2015, 03:04 AM
Its difficult to say, but i would say that half of them can pass in the levant, and the other half pass in south asia(north-west indians or Pakistanis).
I think only the first one passes in South Asia.
Tooting Carmen
01-28-2015, 03:06 AM
I think only the first one passes in South Asia.
I'd say that Karima Delli looks more South Asian than does Rachida Dati actually.
Ctwentysevenj
01-28-2015, 05:06 AM
No.2 could pass in Europe, the rest in the levant.
Berberids and South-Meds.
Tooting Carmen
03-02-2019, 01:21 AM
Missing photos:
Karima Delli
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Karima_Delli%2C_Delhi%2C_India.jpg
Tokia Saifi
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Tokia_Sa%C3%AFfi_02.JPG/220px-Tokia_Sa%C3%AFfi_02.JPG
Tooting Carmen
10-21-2019, 04:59 PM
Yamina Benguigui
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Yamina_Benguigui_Cannes_2010.jpg
Tooting Carmen
05-05-2020, 03:50 AM
bump
Tooting Carmen
08-14-2022, 12:06 PM
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