Of these two ethnic French footballers named 'Clement', who has the more common phenotype for France

[Tooting Carmen]

(1) Clement Chantome
https://leblogdegroupix.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/2774661.jpghttp://www.lyonmag.com/medias/images/clement-chantome211.jpg

(2) Clement Grenier
http://medias.mensquare.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/04/ol-clement-grenier-sanction-lfp-680x452.jpghttp://www.leparisien.fr/images/2014/06/06/3902427_qesthumb-jsp_640x280.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Any votes and suggestions please?

[Rædwald]

Both can fit in France.

[Tooting Carmen]

Both can fit in France.

Well yes, but which is the more common face of the two?

[Trun]

Grenier, but maybe because I stereotype French to be more southern looking.

[Aleida]

Grenier

[Ouistreham]

There has been speculation on internet fora about Grenier's untypical look:
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-20-24378971-1-0-1-0-clement-grenier-est-de-quel-origine.htm

Most people think that he must be from the Réunion Island, where Asian/Indian + some SSA genes are frequent (makes sense IMHO)

Grenier's personal site says "he is proud of his origins"... but doesn't say anything about those origins:
http://www.clementgrenier.com/valeurs-et-passions/

[Belenos]

I bet that 95% will say : "Grenier ! French are swarthy europeans!"... I'm somewhat tired of the amount of stupidity of a great part of the members... (that's why I rarely post there now).

[Petalpusher]

They are good example of french phenotypes. Chantome is from Sens in Bourgogne (a bit south compare to Paris) and Grenier is born close to Lyon. If we except very peculiar population like south med or Bretons for example, they are probably the most common in France.

[Tooting Carmen]

There has been speculation on internet fora about Grenier's untypical look:
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-20-24378971-1-0-1-0-clement-grenier-est-de-quel-origine.htm

Most people think that he must be from the Réunion Island, where Asian/Indian + some SSA genes are frequent (makes sense IMHO)

Grenier's personal site says "he is proud of his origins"... but doesn't say anything about those origins:
http://www.clementgrenier.com/valeurs-et-passions/

He's just one of those darker types that can be found from time to time. After all if Mats Hummels and Ulf Kirsten are German...

[turkojew]

none of them, vincent is

http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/9/32/32/9/@/222820-vincent-cassel-1999-637x0-2.jpg

[mikeyup]

I would guess "equal measure".

[Tooting Carmen]

none of them, vincent is

http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/9/32/32/9/@/222820-vincent-cassel-1999-637x0-2.jpg

Yes, but the question is more common, not most common.

[turkojew]

Yes, but the question is more common, not most common.

yeah i know there is no rule that forbids me to add a third wheel?

[Sikeliot]

Neither/equal.

First guy looks German to me, second guy looks Balkan.

[Tooting Carmen]

Don't forget to vote please...

[Smeagol]

Chantome. I doubt the other guy is even ethnically French. I don't know why the French are stereotyped as southern looking.

[MINARDOWICZ]

You guys are delusional. CLEARLY this guy is not fully ethnic french. He seems to fit nowhere in ALL of Europe, actually... It's not just the darkness... just look at that face of his! He looks part S Asian and E Asian even... CLEARLY he is not even white!

JUST LOOK! He is about as white as many mixed latin Americans.

http://cdn2-public.ladmedia.fr/var/public/storage/images/news/photos/photos-clement-grenier-pierrick-cros-francis-coquelin-retrouvez-les-joueurs-du-mondial-de-football-des-moins-de-20-ans-97125/photos-clement-grenier-20-ans-97155/814187-1-fre-FR/Photos-Clement-Grenier-20-ans_portrait_w674.jpg

[MINARDOWICZ]

Neither/equal.

First guy looks German to me, second guy looks Balkan.

No, he does not. Seriously? Balkan Gypsy maybe? He is mixed... I am 100% sure!

He looks half Napalese!! IF the first looks German, that is close to the average, but not quite. The second guy doesn't even look European.

The pictures used of this guy are not good ones... This shows he is clearly mixed.

http://cdn2-public.ladmedia.fr/var/public/storage/images/news/photos/photos-clement-grenier-pierrick-cros-francis-coquelin-retrouvez-les-joueurs-du-mondial-de-football-des-moins-de-20-ans-97125/photos-clement-grenier-20-ans-97155/814187-1-fre-FR/Photos-Clement-Grenier-20-ans_portrait_w674.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Ok in that photo he looks Gypsy.

[Tooting Carmen]

Ok in that photo he looks Gypsy.

Much less than that 'Greek' girl Trun posted who you think can pass in Sicily.:rolleyes2:

[MINARDOWICZ]

Ok in that photo he looks Gypsy.

IDK if he's even that... IMO, he could easily be half Nepalese.

[Alessio]

I'd say both would fit just well, only Chantome would fit better in the North and center of France and Grenier more in the South/Southeast.

[Sikeliot]

Much less than that 'Greek' girl Trun posted who you think can pass in Sicily.:rolleyes2:

In one photo she passed, in the others she looked Gypsy to me too.

[Petalpusher]

Grenier Gypsy or SSA :picard2:

Here is his family, watching the world cup that he missed for injury, they are mostly a mix of sub-nordic, Alpine and whatever, nothing exotic..

http://www.radioespace.com/media/infos//famille-grenier.jpg

When he talks about origins, he is referring to his region which has a strong identity around Lyon.

[Sikeliot]

Maybe it was just that one photo then.

[Gaita]

The average Frenchmen is somewhere between both those phenotypes.

[Volscian]

Both.

[Alessio]

:picard1:


Ok in that photo he looks Gypsy.

[aherne]

Chantome is typical blond French. Grenier is not typical, but looks Spanish, so he could have passed as native of Languedoc.

[Rædwald]

Typical Frenchmen according to Apricity

https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/djimon-hounsou.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Typical Frenchmen according to Apricity

https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/djimon-hounsou.jpg

In parts of Paris, Marseille, Strasbourg and Lyon (as well as the football team itself) that isn't so far from the truth.

[Trun]

Much less than that 'Greek' girl Trun posted who you think can pass in Sicily.:rolleyes2:

I don't know what problem do you have accepting that there are some Pontic Greeks looking like her.

[Rudel]

Grenier's personal site says "he is proud of his origins"... but doesn't say anything about those origins:
http://www.clementgrenier.com/valeurs-et-passions/
One can be « proud of his origins » while not being a métèque. Pas besoin de voir le mal partout.

In terms of skull shape, Grenier would be more common, but his colouration falls out of the typical spectrum.


They are good example of french phenotypes. Chantome is from Sens in Bourgogne (a bit south compare to Paris) and Grenier is born close to Lyon. If we except very peculiar population like south med or Bretons for example, they are probably the most common in France.
Bretons aren't peculiar. There's one particular Breton type I can think of that's not really present in the rest of the country, but the general population isn't any different from the rest of the Western half.


I'd say both would fit just well, only Chantome would fit better in the North and center of France and Grenier more in the South/Southeast.
Not really a Southeastern type to me at all, at least not coastal.

[Ulla]

Typical Frenchmen according to Apricity

https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/djimon-hounsou.jpg

According to non Europeans members with deep problems of identity.

[Ulla]

In one photo she passed, in the others she looked Gypsy to me too.

I don't how many Gypsies you have seen in real life. But real Gypsies in Europe can be recognized by a mile.

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't know what problem do you have accepting that there are some Pontic Greeks looking like her.

She's exotic for Syria never mind Greece. Anyway, let us not go off-topic.

[alnortedelsur]

I think that both would be equally typical. Probably Chantome would be more typical in northern France and Grenier would be more typical in southern France (without implying with it, that there cannot be some Northern French with the look of Grenier, or vice versa). Grenier would perfectly fit in Spain.

Grenier gives the impression of being "swarthy" compared to Chantome, but I don't think he is that "swarthy" as some people suggest

[alnortedelsur]

No, he does not. Seriously? Balkan Gypsy maybe? He is mixed... I am 100% sure!

He looks half Napalese!! IF the first looks German, that is close to the average, but not quite. The second guy doesn't even look European.

The pictures used of this guy are not good ones... This shows he is clearly mixed.

http://cdn2-public.ladmedia.fr/var/public/storage/images/news/photos/photos-clement-grenier-pierrick-cros-francis-coquelin-retrouvez-les-joueurs-du-mondial-de-football-des-moins-de-20-ans-97125/photos-clement-grenier-20-ans-97155/814187-1-fre-FR/Photos-Clement-Grenier-20-ans_portrait_w674.jpg

I didn't see this pic, before I posted my opinion. If that is really him, then he doesn't look that typical in France (at least in that picture), and he would also be atypical in Spain, then.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Typical Frenchmen according to Apricity

https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/djimon-hounsou.jpg

Average Spaniard, though, is an Irishman. LOL!

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[SupaThug]

I am not really used to french phenotypes but I would say both in equal measure!

[Shepherd]

the top guys looks like a Slav to me

[Leto]

The average Frenchmen is somewhere between both those phenotypes.
I think this is pretty accurate. The first one is Nordic, while the second one is woggish.

[Shepherd]

I think this is pretty accurate. The first one is Nordic, while the second one is woggish.

hey, is it just me, or does the top guy look Slavic?

[Leto]

hey, is it just me, or does the top guy look Slavic?
Yeah, in the second picture he does a bit.

[Leto]

http://cdn-lejdd.ladmedia.fr/var/lejdd/storage/images/media/images/grenier2/9228868-1-fre-FR/Grenier.jpg

[Pausanias]

1) Northern France

2) Southern France

Remember that ethnic French people have Greek, Roman, Gallic, Celtic and Germanic influences.

[Gooding]

I would guess that the first one, Chantome, would fit in as someone from the northern regions of France, while Grenier would obviously look like someone from the Midi. I don't know.. aren't the Occitans more Iberian and the people of northern France more Germanic? If so, then both are perfect exemplars for their respective regions.

[Ice]

Grenier. He can also fit in Afghanistan or northern parts of pakistan.

[Ctwentysevenj]

There as been some other sites questioning Grenier's background. I feel he has some non- European background.

[aherne]

Grenier. He can also fit in Afghanistan or northern parts of pakistan.

Indeed. He looks like a Bollywood actor...

[Smeagol]

Second guy is definitely no ethnic Frenchman...

[Smeagol]

Well actually I think he could be French, but he doesn't particularly look it. First guy is more typical.