Classify ancient european.

[Not a Cop]

http://ivmk.net/_mglkmus05_03.jpg
http://antropogenez.ru/uploads/tx_antropedia/Sungir-1.jpg
http://www.dazzle.ru/spec/pic-100.jpg


Reconstruction:

http://mtdata.ru/u24/photoF9B9/20153064587-0/huge.jpeg
http://mtdata.ru/u24/photoCDE5/20822283134-0/huge.jpeg
http://scisne.net/ax/d1/1/a1365/image094.jpg

[Linebacker]

Is it just me or does the morphology of the skull kind of not fit the reconstruction?

[Linebacker]

Bumb he needs to be classified.

Lets see how good you are at guessing facial features without pigmentation.

[Bloodnigger]

Bumb he needs to be classified.

Lets see how good you are at guessing facial features without pigmentation.

Looks like you actually.

[Linebacker]

Looks like you actually.

Except my eyebrows are not that thin and not arched.

http://postimg.org/image/fspao6x23/

[Lábaru]

Is it just me or does the morphology of the skull kind of not fit the reconstruction?

They are trying of make a negro.

[cally]

Looks a bit North African.

[Sakis]

CM type.

[Linebacker]

They are trying of make a negro.

The reconstruction looks like a Cro Magnon man.

[Styrian Mujo]

CM ofcourse. I wonder if he was depigmented.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Strange jaw (prognathism and a receding chin). Didn't Sungirs had weddoid/negroid like features !?

[Xanthias]

Negro subhuman.

[blogen]

They are trying of make a negro.

Since this is the situation here. The Sungir peoples were intermediate race between the Europid and Weddoid/Negroid features. Maybe proto-Cromagnoids with massive archaic traits from the common Europid and Australoid ancestors as the Grimaldi and Kostenki peoples or an Europo-Weddoid admixture.

Anyway, this racial character survive until the neolithic age. Their last remains attached to the Aryan population of the Samara culture in the middle Volga valley.

[Not a Cop]

Strange jaw (prognathism and a receding chin). Didn't Sungirs had weddoid/negroid like features !?

What about this one? http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0/39/861/39861382_1234963927_lincolnarnie15_by_ma_zaika.jpg

[Zmey Gorynych]

What about this one? http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0/39/861/39861382_1234963927_lincolnarnie15_by_ma_zaika.jpg
Who's the guy on the left, Lincoln !? Looks like a strong, very long chin. Arnold has the same type of jaw as the Sungir man, he's not called Swarzenegger for nothing :D

[Rædwald]

The reconstruction looks too way too short and wide compared to the skull. Take the skull and tilt it back and say "look at that prognatism! look! do you see it?"

[Faklon]

http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0/39/861/39861382_1234963927_lincolnarnie15_by_ma_zaika.jpg

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[Anglojew]

Is it just me or does the morphology of the skull kind of not fit the reconstruction?

Yeah the jaw front view is completely wrong. The jaw is much thinner than than in the rendering

[Gaston]

That mandibular prognatism probably made it harder to eat and speak. If he was alive nowadays, he'd get a surgery.


He's got an unusual looks, not caucasoid but even less negroid or mongoloid.

[Linebacker]

Yeah the jaw front view is completely wrong. The jaw is much thinner than than in the rendering

Not just the jaw,the cheekbones are also not broad enough and the eye sockets are too big for the reconstruction.

The reconstruction it self looks Cro magnon/Cromagnoid or Oberkassel/Oberkasseloid.

[isthisreallife]

Sudanid

[Cern]

...and this?

(under)

http://antropogenez.ru/uploads/tx_antropedia/Sungir-1_01.jpg

http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/7.4177.1335458642!/image/sungir.jpg

[aherne]

Archaic features, but looks WAY more human than Australoids. Even in reconstructions, one can recognize the blueprint of a sort of pre-Slavic Central Russian face, still very common in Great Russians, which may indeed (as poster Bloggen argued in another post) come from a non-Uralic population that Slavs completely absorbed. Example:
http://lifeinlegacy.com/2002/0503/lebedaleksandr.jpg
^ This is a face incompatible with Slavs, but also incompatible with Finns, Hungarians. To me, this speaks well in favor of a different ethnic group living there.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Archaic features, but looks WAY more human than Australoids. Even in reconstructions, one can recognize the blueprint of a sort of pre-Slavic Central Russian face, still very common in Great Russians, which may indeed (as poster Bloggen argued in another post) come from a non-Uralic population that Slavs completely absorbed. Example:
http://lifeinlegacy.com/2002/0503/lebedaleksandr.jpg
^ This is a face incompatible with Slavs, but also incompatible with Finns, Hungarians. To me, this speaks well in favor of a different ethnic group living there.
He had serious mongoloid admix on a Cromagnoid base, freakish cranial proportions.

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/t/o/to_associate/Hloponin_-Putin-i-Lebed-dlya-ZHZH.jpg
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq241/greicatt/LebedChechen3_zps6dbf6f47.jpg
http://www.sovsekretno.ru/public/userfiles/images/1998/08/1/030128113657b.jpg

No matter next to whom he stood he always had the biggest noggin ... had a gentle looking slavic wife, the beauty and the beast indeed

http://www.specnaz.ru/img/images/7edab657c89badda.jpg

[Sharkeatpeople]

East CM with Neanderthal mix.

[blogen]

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2002/04/28-lebed.jpg

Lebed is a Balto-Turanid admixture with strong Baltid character. Here is a Hungarian Balto-Turanid sample:

http://s27.postimg.org/4bgebwx0f/balto_turanid.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/4bgebwx0f/)

[aherne]

Their last remains attached to the Aryan population of the Samara culture in the middle Volga valley.

There was indeed a rugged-face component among Aryans (especially during their earliest stage), but this individual would have been as foreigner, since big narrow-ish nose, deep set eyes, relatively narrow build (for that age) were pretty much universal. Interesting is that this essentially Central Russian type which you identified as pre-Aryan, pre-Uralid is generally short, brunet (in both eyes and hair) and super-ugly, far from the general tendencies of other European CMs (incl. people with Uralid or Aryan phenotypes).

[Bloodnigger]

There was indeed a rugged-face component among Aryans (especially during their earliest stage), but this individual would have been as foreigner, since big narrow-ish nose, deep set eyes, relatively narrow build (for that age) were pretty much universal. Interesting is that this essentially Central Russian type which you identified as pre-Aryan, pre-Uralid is generally short, brunet (in both eyes and hair) and super-ugly, far from the general tendencies of other European CMs (incl. people with Uralid or Aryan phenotypes).

Narrow build? The man seems monstrous, face and shoulder-wise from the reconstruction.

Looks like a violent deity straight out of a comic book.

[Not a Cop]

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2002/04/28-lebed.jpg

Lebed is a Balto-Turanid admixture with strong Baltid character. Here is a Hungarian Balto-Turanid sample:

http://s27.postimg.org/4bgebwx0f/balto_turanid.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/4bgebwx0f/)

Lebed' looked more like Uraloid-baltid to me, why do you think of him as of Turano-baltid?

[Black Wolf]

It would be nice if they could get reliable DNA results from this ancient individual.

[Black Wolf]

The reconstruction looks like a Cro Magnon man.

He is essentially a Cro-Magnon man.

[Shah-Jehan]

Cro-magnid type but, seems as if he is Central Asian like a CM Hazara or something.

[Not a Cop]

It would be nice if they could get reliable DNA results from this ancient individual.

That's man from /Sungir site (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungir), they made a carbon analysis, but i found no info about DNA testing, maybe it's impossible due to old age.

[Black Wolf]

That's man from /Sungir site (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungir), they made a carbon analysis, but i found no info about DNA testing, maybe it's impossible due to old age.

Some remains from Sungir were tested a number of years ago but the results are unreliable due to likely contamination. I do not know if this particular sample was tested or not though.

[blogen]

Lebed' looked more like Uraloid-baltid to me, why do you think of him as of Turano-baltid?

Lebed's head very rounded and wide. An Uralic admixture would be more angular and narrower maybe. Maybe, since the Baltid is clear for me, but I am open onto other ideas in the case of his Europo-Mongoloid element. His parents:

http://telegrafua.com/photos/bank_14892_83146.jpg

His mother was a clear Europid Baltid and his father's character is similar to his. Maybe he is a very Baltid with some unknown, maybe Uralid Europo-Mongoloid amixture.

[aherne]

Narrow build? The man seems monstrous, face and shoulder-wise from the reconstruction.

Looks like a violent deity straight out of a comic book.

NO... Narrow build of Aryans I meant: even the earliest CroMagnids that can be safely ascribed to Aryan ethnos (based on cultural evidence) are already narrower (than average) and generally with manifest "Nordid" tendencies.

[Cern]

That's man from /Sungir site (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungir), they made a carbon analysis, but i found no info about DNA testing, maybe it's impossible due to old age.

Both child mtDNA H17, this haplogoup found in northern Europe.



http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25546-25-000-year-old-Russian-Cro-Magnons-might-have-been-hg-H17