Occupy Central protests in Hong Kong: what do you think?

[Loki]

My personal opinion is that these hippies should go home. The disease of 'democracy' should not gain a foothold in China. Hong Kong residents should be content with Beijing-approved candidates. China's one-party system works very well. I hope China nips this thing in the bud.

[Apis]

The grass is always greener on the other side. I wonder if Libya's rebels have realised how royally they fucked up.

[Loki]

The grass is always greener on the other side. I wonder if Libya's rebels have realised how royally they fucked up.

It's the West that fucked up Libya.

[Wadaad]

This will fizzle out because unlike the color revolutions/Arab spring, etc...Hong Kong does not share grievances with mainland Chinese.

[Wadaad]

btw I made a post on this about a month back http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?138368-Seems-like-Arab-spring-is-coming-to-China-(democracy-protests-in-Hong-Kong)

I thought it was going to follow the same pattern as tunisia egypt etc...but the hong kong hipsters havent rallied the mainland peasants the same way the Tahreer hipsters rallied the Egyptian peasants.

[Minesweeper]

I think it's funny to believe any sort of revolution similar to Arab Spring can occur in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China.

[Wadaad]

I think it's funny to believe any sort of revolution similar to Arab Spring can occur in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China.

Yeah, I was mistaken to think such a thing could happen...The Arab Spring and Ukrainian revolutions have more in common with one another than either does with the news out of Hong Kong.

[Virtuous]

What I would like to see is the Japs rebelling to the U.S. grip messing in their affairs.

[田所浩二]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abn45CHDmP8

[Wadaad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abn45CHDmP8

will this (gay porn) get the thread blocked in china? I heard chinese have their version of JIDF

[Immortal Technique]

Some good beef

[Kawaiine]

loki have u ever been to hk?

[portusaus]

The government of China could not get any worse, so whatever. Populist sentiment there is a good thing.

Ultimately, the only solution for China is its dissolution as a united state into several manageable and unthreatening cultural chunks.

[Kawaiine]

in hk, we have freedom of speech, but unfortunately it's much worser after hk handover

democracy is the thing that we often fight for, we still don't have a real democracy - our chief executive wasn't chosen by hk citizens

i don't believe democracy' wouldn't gain a foothold in China - yes hk is a part of china, but hk has a different system from china - one-child policy isn't available in hong kong, and we have different education system.

[Kawaiine]

@Plissken y is japanese and us?

[Loki]

loki have u ever been to hk?

No, I haven't been to Asia yet.

[Alenka]

What I would like to see is the Japs rebelling to the U.S. grip messing in their affairs.
What I would like to see is the whole world rebelling to the U.S. grip messing in their affairs.

[zhaoyun]

HK is ready for democracy, China is not. That's the problem. Anyways, China's government wont budge an inch, they can't afford to. Otherwise it will dismantle the whole system.

China is no way ready for democracy.

[Loki]

China is no way ready for democracy.

True. But democracy may never be suitable in China. It is a Western system which has many flaws. China will be better off without it.

[Kamal900]

HK is ready for democracy, China is not. That's the problem. Anyways, China's government wont budge an inch, they can't afford to. Otherwise it will dismantle the whole system.

China is no way ready for democracy.

And you think that democracy is a good thing? Im not sure if you heard the man, but here is Mark Weber's talks about Chinese economic and political progress over america:

"China’s economy is now the world’s second largest, and China is set to soon replace the US as the foremost economic and industrial nation. Over the past 30 years, real per capita income in China has grown by more than 1,300 percent. Over the last decade alone, China quadrupled its industrial output. It now produces more automobiles than the US and Japan combined. Each year many more people graduate with science and engineering degrees in China than in the USA. China — along with Hong Kong, Singapore, and, to a lesser extent, Taiwan and South Korea – has achieved dramatic economic growth with a social-political system that combines free enterprise and “state socialism.” What those countries have accomplished over the past half century proves that economic growth, technological progress and prosperity are possible without US-style democracy and capitalism. In the years ahead China will play an ever more important role in world affairs, and will increasingly challenge America’s “leadership” position."

His radio podcast:
http://www.ihr.org/mwreport/2012-06-06

[Kamal900]

True. But democracy may never be suitable in China. It is a Western system which has many flaws. China will be better off without it.

Yes, it is better off without it:
http://www.ihr.org/mwreport/2012-06-06

[Wadaad]

Democracy, Free Speech, etc...all are found in India, and yet they cannot compete with the Chinese in most socioeconomic parameters.

[zhaoyun]

Democracy, Free Speech, etc...all are found in India, and yet they cannot compete with the Chinese in most socioeconomic parameters.

Much of it is due to their democracy.

[zhaoyun]

And you think that democracy is a good thing? Im not sure if you heard the man, but here is Mark Weber's talks about Chinese economic and political progress over america:

"China’s economy is now the world’s second largest, and China is set to soon replace the US as the foremost economic and industrial nation. Over the past 30 years, real per capita income in China has grown by more than 1,300 percent. Over the last decade alone, China quadrupled its industrial output. It now produces more automobiles than the US and Japan combined. Each year many more people graduate with science and engineering degrees in China than in the USA. China — along with Hong Kong, Singapore, and, to a lesser extent, Taiwan and South Korea – has achieved dramatic economic growth with a social-political system that combines free enterprise and “state socialism.” What those countries have accomplished over the past half century proves that economic growth, technological progress and prosperity are possible without US-style democracy and capitalism. In the years ahead China will play an ever more important role in world affairs, and will increasingly challenge America’s “leadership” position."

His radio podcast:
http://www.ihr.org/mwreport/2012-06-06

I agree that a Western style democracy will never be suitable for China. But China's current system needs to change to, to one that affords more justice and protection of rights than it currently has. That doesn't necessarily come from democracy, but rather from the rule of law. The Communist Party's iron grip on politics is a major impediment to the progress of this, though it has also brought the stability that has fueled China's economic growth. So as most things, its a mixed hat.

[Mortimer]

I agree that a Western style democracy will never be suitable for China. But China's current system needs to change to, to one that affords more justice and protection of rights than it currently has. That doesn't necessarily come from democracy, but rather from the rule of law. The Communist Party's iron grip on politics is a major impediment to the progress of this, though it has also brought the stability that has fueled China's economic growth. So as most things, its a mixed hat.

i agree.

[Apis]

It's the West that fucked up Libya.

That's a given, but the popularity of the revolt is what irritated me. The fools actually thought they'd be better off without Gaddafi.

[armenianbodyhair]

The Chinese political system seems to be basically in line with Chinese cultural values so what they are doing is pointless. If they want to change their approach is wrong.

[Incal]

If China's the way to go why are there zillions of chinese scattered all over the world? And why so many fled to the doomed HK back in the days? I want to know that.

[Hexachordia]

British colonialism proved beneficial to both mainland and HK chinese people. People should learn from history themself and decide, fight for themself nothing woring with it! Chinese government lacks self-reflection no people can criticize them and the public media can only hail to whatever the act the government takes. I am not speaking against chinese regime or ignoring the american conspiratorial threats, but I do think HK people and chinese would do better if HK was under britsh rule rather than buying the chinese communist nationalism crap. The best thing to fight communism is not to gather it, but to split it, can the best democracy can be realized on HK.

[FeederOfRavens]

China will balkanize

[Kawaiine]

i know democracy is western thing, it won't be suitable in china, but don't forget, hk used to be a britsh colony over 150 years - most of hk chinese speak english, and hk's culture is a mixture of traditional chinese culture and western culture, and hk ppl are much open-minded to accept variety. Even though hk returned to china, many hk ppl considered themselves as "hongkonger" or "hong kong chinese" to distinguish themselves from the Chinese in mainland China.

[Vlach]

My personal opinion is that these hippies should go home. The disease of 'democracy' should not gain a foothold in China. Hong Kong residents should be content with Beijing-approved candidates. China's one-party system works very well. I hope China nips this thing in the bud.

Is easy to say this when you are in a democratic country. You dont wanna to see how is in a communist country. And Hong-Kong is different from rest of China.

[Lurker]

I'm pro-protester in this case. Hong Kong needs more democracy and the protestors are right. The current model (and the previous ones) were incredibly unfair, giving too much power to business and not enough for the people. It's ironic that the Communist Party of China is defending big business in this case.