Are Hungarians Finno-Ugric or Germanic?

[poiuytrewq0987]

They cluster pretty close to Germans and other West Europeans.
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Suomi - Finland
Kainuu - Kainuu
Varsinais-Suomi - Southwest Finland
Suomenruotsalaiset - Finland-Swedes

Venäjä - Russia
Latvia - Latvia
Tanska - Denmark
Hollanti - Netherlands
Britannia - UK
Italia - Italy
Ruotsi - Sweden
Viro - Estonia
Unkari - Hungary

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Stu.../1135254757770 (http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Study+Isolated+Finns+have+unique+genes/1135254757770)
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The study shows that nations who speak languages that are related to each other are not necessarily close genetically. Finnish genes are closer to those of the Dutch than they are to those of the Hungarians, whose language is related to Finnish.
Looks like you're neither Finno-Ugric or Huns.

Discuss.

[Arrow Cross]

Neither.

[The Khagan]

No such thing as being "Germanic" genetically. It's a linguistic term, so they are not Germanic.

Linguistically speaking, they are Finno-Ugric. But that doesn't necessarily define them at all. Hungarians are Hungarians, they are their own distinct people.

[Tabiti]

Neither.
Indeed.
You create great threads, btw:rolleyes:

[poiuytrewq0987]

Indeed.
You create great threads, btw:rolleyes:

Pallantides brought up the issue so I opened a thread to discuss it further. :thumb001:

[RoyBatty]

Finno-Ugric

[esaima]

Linguistically Uralic> Finno-Ugric> Ugric.

[Arrow Cross]

Truth to be told, it's an extremely complicated topic veiled heavily in the mists of history, and multiple theories are circulating regarding both our tribal and linguistical origins. The Finno-Ugric thesis only appeared in the XIXth Century Habsburg era, when it served a political purpose of loosening the national spirit (at least in the intellectual circles) that started to ascend into dangerously rebellous heights again.

How did it do that? Beforehand, through all those centuries, it was common knowledge for Hungarians that they're the brother nation, the successors to Attila and his Huns, and that our ancestors were merely following in his footsteps. Medieval historians also exclusively followed this theory. That gave the people an identity of uniqueness, reinforced by the many new cultural imports the Magyar tribes brought into Europe like certain eating utensils, the use of trousers as we know them today, and many techniques related to the nomadic horseback lifestyle, both military and cultural (e.g. saddle-softened meat).

This site does a pretty decent job at considering the many alternatives, although somewhat curiously, it lists Huns as a Germanic people. Nevertheless, the overview is worth reading for those intrested in this topic.

http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2009/04/origin-of-hungarians.html

Also, this thread would be better off here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=58).

[Pallantides]

I don't think they are Germanic, what I meant is that they are closer to West and Central Europeans(including Germans) then they are to Finnic people.

[Svanhild]

Hungarians are nice people, we happen to be on the same side in our mutual history a lot of times. I've visited Budapest and the Balaton with some friends a good while ago. Their language is rather unique and not slavic.

The only Hungarian word I know is "Reti pipitär. I don't know how to write it properly but it means daisy. Gänseblümchen. :wink

[hereward]

That study surely just represents the populations as they are today, it does not take into account any demographic/historical changes. The Hungarians today maybe are not representive of the Hungarians of yesteryear, could say the same for most of Europe.

[Arrow Cross]

The only Hungarian word I know is "Reti pipitär. I don't know how to write it properly but it means daisy. Gänseblümchen. :wink
Réti pipitér... although what you wrote is the exact same if you pronounce it in German. :)

http://www.kepeslap.com/images/15369/pipiter.jpg

Sigh... it brings back memories.

[Absinthe]

The question is kind of silly, but anyway. I consider Hungarians to be Finno-Ugric but they have also assimilated a lot of cultural aspects from Germanics.

A friend of mine once said "Hungarians are today's (Nazi) Germans" and he meant it in the best possible sense :p

[Svanhild]

Réti pipitér... although what you wrote is the exact same if you pronounce it in German. :)
Sigh... it brings back memories.
A friend of mine acquired a cassette of a rather old Hungarian band on a peddlars market. He lost it in the meantime but we both liked that crazy Hungarian music. It was a mix of pop and rock and I reckon it was a band of the 70ies or 80ies. Before the Iron Curtain fell. On the cover of the cassette was a drawn scene with military units, helicopters and a soldier with big black sunglasses. You could do us a great favour if you can name us the name of the band. But don't ask me for any tracks on the cassette. Hungarian language is a complete mysterium to me. :embarrassed

[Arrow Cross]

The question is kind of silly, but anyway. I consider Hungarians to be Finno-Ugric but they have also assimilated a lot of cultural aspects from Germanics.
That's true. Mind the fact that this country has been under Habsburg rule (except the Turk occupation zone and independent Transylvania) from 1526 to 1918, with all its upsides and downsides.


A friend of mine once said "Hungarians are today's (Nazi) Germans" and he meant it in the best possible sense :p
It is true Hungary has a powerful nationalist sentiment, nearly unparalleled in contemporary Europe. The "far-right" party is expected to score second with around 15-20% of the upcoming votes, while the moderately patriotic centre-right party will win with the hugest margin in the history of Europeon democrazy, possibly around 55% of the votes (and its voters are nowhere near western "conservatives").
The neocons and "socialists" are written down while the judeo-liberal gang is destroyed, it's below 1% popularity despite all its huge funds and media proxies.


A friend of mine acquired a cassette of a rather old Hungarian band on a peddlars market. He lost it in the meantime but we both liked that crazy Hungarian music. It was a mix of pop and rock and I reckon it was a band of the 70ies or 80ies. Before the Iron Curtain fell. On the cover of the cassette was a drawn scene with military units, helicopters and a soldier with big black sunglasses. You could do us a great favour if you can name us the name of the band. But don't ask me for any tracks on the cassette. Hungarian language is a complete mysterium to me. :embarrassed
And a mysterium it's supposed to be. ;)

Absolutely no idea, sorry, I'm not much into post-'45 music of any kind, but I'll ask my old man about it. In the meantime... something of a similar variety.

DE3JzyDDHBw

Song to the Stars... what a lyric!

"Our souls are fae-forest
Blooming and growing up
Giving birth to a better world
In our fair Magyar homeland"

[RussiaPrussia]

lol huyangarians closer to Danes than to uralics

[Szegedist]

What kind of stupid thread is this?

[Den Pobedy]

When the first Magyars came to today's Hungary they mixed and assimilated much of the populations that was already living there. But then with the huge losses of population suffered during the Mongol invasions and the even worse losses from the Turkish occupation and wars.Vast numbers of people from other lands settled in Hungary and over the centuries since,most of them were assimilated into Hungarian culture.Many of them fully Magyarizing themselves,and their descendants today are just considered Hungarian.Large numbers of these people were from Germanic countries.So I'm not surprised that Hungary would show Germanic traces.

[Neon Knight]

According to genetic maps modern Hungarians are closest to Czechs and Slovaks.

[Ianus]

Linguistically they spoke an Ugro Finnic Language, phentypically and culturally they are Central European.