New study - Alans = G2*

[Strelets]

From 2 seperate sites along the Don river in Russia, Verhnesaltovsky IV burial of 10 samples (only in 7 out of 10 were found fragments of DNA) detected in four Y-dna G2 and six mtdna I
Dmitrov burial two samples, both had Y-dna G2, with no result for mtdna. Sub-clades of G2 were not tested.


3) To analyze Alanian paleo-DNA haplogroup level (laboratory work performed Iljinsky VV) were selected, 12 samples of human teeth and bone fragments from the catacomb burial. Investigation of the male line was carried out by analyzing 23 microsatellite loci (STR) Y-chromosome of man. Definition haplogroup female line was carried out the study of mtDNA hypervariable regions. The task was to identify the nucleotide sequences of the hypervariable regions HVS-1, HVS-2, HVS -3 mtDNA haplogroup, with subsequent determination of individuals and the predictions of migration routes. As a result, in the 6 samples was found haplogroup G2 and 6 samples - female haplogroup I.
Scientists note that the North Caucasus, which are connected with the territory of their origin Don Alans, G2 occur as the two branches of the Ossetians (G2a1) and the Circassians (G2a3). G2a little occurs in Karachai and Balkars, as well as the Ingush and Chechens. The researchers write, and I quote: "The issue is Alan DNA is closely associated with the study of the role of Alan and Caucasian substrate in the formation of the Ossetian people, now takes on a more distinct shape. We got a first and very promising data about Alan DNA Khazar time." It is further noted that the need for a thorough research in the field paleoDNK level subclades not only Alanian material Khazar and predhazarskogo time, but the study of paleo-DNA carriers barrows and burial rites yamnogo on the territory of the Khazar Khanate as well as simultaneous and preceding them centrally-Caucasian substratum, practiced burial in stone boxes, underground and above-ground tombs. Then it can be ascertained whether the men G2 the Don Alan Sarmatian heritage, kangyuytsev or a contribution to the Central Caucasian substratum

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[Kale]

I think the six mtdna I samples are a lot more interesting. G2 is expected in Southwest Russia.

[Black Wolf]

Interesting thank you for sharing this.

[Guapo]

scythian, Saka, Sarmatian, Massagete

[blogen]

scythian, Saka, Sarmatian, Massagete

Not neccesary, but definitely this was the origin of the G2 between the Hungarians!

[Guapo]

Not neccesary, but definitely this was the origin of the G2 between the Hungarians!

What do you mean, this is not major discovery. Brit and French geneologists say the same thing. G2 = Remnants of Roman-Sarmatian solders in western Europe.

[blogen]

What do you mean, this is not major discovery. Brit and French geneologists say the same thing. G2 = Remnants of Roman-Sarmatian solders in western Europe.

No not, the importance of the Alanian contribution into the Hungarian ethnogenesis was well-known before.

[opening]

thank you for this

[Strelets]

I would like only serious members participate in this thread.%D%A%D%AThat said, a few questions I have areL how can these be \"Alans\" if they are dated to around 800 A.D.? I thought the Hunnic and succeeding Turkic tribes scattered the Alans, and they failed to exist as an entity on the steppes in the late Roman period, that\\s what all the books I read mentioned at least. Maybe, just maybe these G2a were Caucasian Alans who repopulated the steppes, I think that should give the disappointed ar1an crowd some hope still, so don\\t give up! These Alans look to have been serving Khazar masters as the paper mentions. 800 A.D. is also during the zenith of the Khazar Khaganate.

[blogen]

I would like only serious members participate in this thread.%D%A%D%AThat said, a few questions I have areL how can these be \"Alans\" if they are dated to around 800 A.D.? I thought the Hunnic and succeeding Turkic tribes scattered the Alans, and they failed to exist as an entity on the steppes in the late Roman period, that\\s what all the books I read mentioned at least. Maybe, just maybe these G2a were Caucasian Alans who repopulated the steppes, I think that should give the disappointed ar1an crowd some hope still, so don\\t give up! These Alans look to have been serving Khazar masters as the paper mentions. 800 A.D. is also during the zenith of the Khazar Khaganate.

Yes, Caucasian Alans, more punctually Kuban steppe Alans.

[Peterski]

Alans were one of Sarmatian ethnic groups, and Sarmatians were one of Indo-Iranians. There was an Alan tribe of Jasses.

Even today there is a small ethnic group who call themselves Jasses (or the Jasz), but they now speak Hungarian (Magyar).

They live in part of Hungary now called Jaszbereny. The Jasz were 13-14th century settlers to Hungary (their first mention in documents is from the early 14th century, but archaeology indicates 13th century, post Mongol invasion settlement, together with the Turkic Cumans) and originally spoke an Alanic, Iranian language, a Jassic-Latin wordlist survived in Hungary. Their original name could be "As/Asi". their presence was not unique to Hungary, same or very similar Alan groups were also found in Bulgaria, Romania and Byzantine Empire in the same period, refugees and/or hired mercenaries who fled from the Mongol invasion. The city of Iasi in Romania is called after them. There is still a dialect of Ossetian called Jassic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jassic_dialect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people

Such a map from Polish wiki article about them:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasowie

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Jaszsag_jazygia_map.png

As for haplogroups:

Apart from G2, I would expect also R1a among the Alans, because R1a was typical among most of Indo-Iranian speakers.

Among Proto-Indo-Iranians (Andronovo Culture) R1a amounted even up to 90% of all haplogroups (9 out of a sample of 10):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture#Ancient_DNA

Of course a sample of 10 is rather small, but in this case a sample is also small (only several G2 people, who could be relatives).

[Peterski]

Some theories say that the Jasz are descendants of Iazyges, not of Jasses.

Iazyges, just like Jasses (Jassic people) were also one of Scytho-Sarmatian Alan tribes.

So in any case, they are descendants of Alans.

But the exact connection (if there was any) between Iazyges and Jasses is unknown.

[blogen]

Some theories say that the Jasz are descendants of Iazyges, not of Jasses.
Iazyges, just like Jasses (Jassic people) were also one of Scytho-Sarmatian Alan tribes.
So in any case, they are descendants of Alans.
But the exact connection (if there was any) between Iazyges and Jasses is unknown.

The Jász peoples were descendants of the European Alans. These Caucasian Alans.

[The Sun King]

We need more samples before we connect it to Alanic ancestry.