Where do Papuans plot on a PCA Plot? Anyone know?

[Sikeliot]

They look African, but are probably more related to Indians.

[Black Wolf]

They probably plot in Oceania and most likely would be close to Australian Aborigines.

[Sikeliot]

They probably plot in Oceania and most likely would be close to Australian Aborigines.

But where do people from Oceania plot? Near Dravidians? Or near SE Asians? Mongoloids? Or are they, as their appearance suggests, African shifted?

[Trun]

Or are they, as their appearance suggests, African shifted?

Certainly no, they have completely different origin.

[Black Wolf]

But where do people from Oceania plot? Near Dravidians? Or near SE Asians? Mongoloids? Or are they, as their appearance suggests, African shifted?

I think they are actually quite distant to Africans genetically but do not hold me to that 100%.

[Comte Arnau]

They don't look African.

They're one of the eight major races to me, the closest probably being the other Sahulians: Australians.

[Black Wolf]

They don't look African.

They're one of the eight major races to me, the closest probably being the other Sahulians: Australians.

Well their hair texture and skin colour is quite similar to that of Africans and so are some of their facial and head features. But they definitely are not SSA genetically.

[Sakis]

I don't know where they plot but they are not very different from sub saharans.

[Smeagol]

They don't look African, and anyway, "African" is not a good way to describe phenotype. Not all Africans are negroid.

[zarzian]

Papuans look absolutely similar to Africans phenotypically. I remember seeing somewhere that they cluster with Asian Negritos, and plot in the bottom of a mongoloid super-cluster. They most likely resemble the Homo Sapiens of the first OOA migration past the Indian subcontinent. I think it can be safe to assume that Mongoloids evolved from a species which looked alot like modern Papuans.

[Kale]

Well on a basic PCA you have three points,

1) San/Pygmy/Other seriously indigenous African
2) European
3) East Asian

Now hypothetically, if three populations were to separate from the first group of humans at the exact same time, and walk off in their own directions, never to meet again...all three populations would be
1) Equally distant from the first human
2) Equally distant from each other
This can easily be graphed.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51118
Points A, B, and C, are all 300 pixels from the center (the first human) and 520 pixels from each other. Everything works out fine.

But what if we through in a fourth major human group?
Well, if four populations were to separate from the first group of humans at the exact same time, and walk off in their own directions, never to meet again...all four populations would be
1) Equally distant from the first human
2) Equally distant from each other
So let's try and plot that.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51119
Hmmm, something's not right. Points A, B, C, and D are all 300 pixels away from the center...points A and C are separated by 600 pixels, points B and D are separated by 600 pixels...but any other combination is only separated by 422 pixels. This graph doesn't work.

Basically we need a three dimensional graph to plot a fourth population accurately.

[Sikeliot]

Found a plot. They are near South Asians and East Asians, kind of off to the side but near both.

http://oi51.tinypic.com/29l1b8z.jpg

[Ctwentysevenj]

They do more look like Australian Abos. The Papua new Guineans are called Melanesians

Handsome chap:
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/developing-world-stories/css/Papua%20New%20Guinea%20tribesman%20in%20native%20h ead-dress.jpg

[Kale]

Found a plot. They are near South Asians and East Asians, kind of off to the side but near both.

http://oi51.tinypic.com/29l1b8z.jpg

That doesn't make any sense. 50% Asian, 35% Caucasian, 15% African? So Papuans are half Chinese half Sudanese? Australoids are clearly their own divergent group. You need a 3rd dimension to accurately plot them.

[Comte Arnau]

Well their hair texture and skin colour is quite similar to that of Africans and so are some of their facial and head features. But they definitely are not SSA genetically.

First of all, as someone said, what is being meant by 'African'? Because the Mande, the Bantus, the San, the Nilotes, the Ethiopians, to name the extremes, look really different.

I don't find the hair texture and skin colour of the Papuans that similar. It rather looks like a 'wilder' type of Afro, and the skintone is a more 'bluish' black one, so to speak, like intermediate between that of Australians and southern Indians. And all in all, it's much about the whole picture of their features, shape and distances, that look distinct, as usual more clearly seen when in a group. I'm quite convinced that if an African said here that he thinks Koreans look like Greeks because of skin and hair texture, everyone here would laugh at the statement.

[Alessio]

Papuans look absolutely similar to Africans phenotypically. I remember seeing somewhere that they cluster with Asian Negritos, and plot in the bottom of a mongoloid super-cluster. They most likely resemble the Homo Sapiens of the first OOA migration past the Indian subcontinent. I think it can be safe to assume that Mongoloids evolved from a species which looked alot like modern Papuans.

Do you have any sources for this ''I think it can be safe to assume that Mongoloids evolved from a species which looked a lot like modern Papuans'' argument ?