Classify two darker-than-average Greek footballers and where can they pass?

[Tooting Carmen]

Stefanos Athanasiadis
http://mediadb.kicker.de/2012/fussball/spieler/xl/65755_1306_2012515162129362.jpghttp://ethnikiomada.vodafone.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/30-Athanasiadis.jpg

Nikos Karelis
http://prasinanea.gr/football/article2362473.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/karelis.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/1909193.jpg

[Sakis]

The last photo is not Karelis

[Sikeliot]

Turkey for both .

[Sikeliot]

First one is Pontian btw. -iadis means Pontian on a surname.

[Tooting Carmen]

The last photo is not Karelis

I changed it

[Sikeliot]

Second one also looks kind of mixed Latin American. Like Peruvian.

[Tooting Carmen]

Second one also looks kind of mixed Latin American. Like Peruvian.

:confused:

[Sikeliot]

:confused:

He doesn't look fully Caucasoid.

[Hadouken]

Turkey for both .

first one yes

second one doesnt fit unless atypical southeastern kurd who are sometimes mixed with arabs

he fits in Iraq I would say

[cally]

Darker than average ???

[tEhSaint]

First one could be Turkish. 2nd looks gypsy, honestly.

[Tooting Carmen]

Darker than average ???

When untanned, most of the Greek footballers are actually not that swarthy.

[Sikeliot]

I can tan as much as the first one, not the second though.

[Sakis]

Karelis is Cretan,there was a Cretan guy in my high school dark like him.

[Hadouken]

Karelis is Cretan,there was a Cretan guy in my high school dark like him.

just googled him

he is born in IRAKlio xD

I said he fits in Irak :D

[Sikeliot]

He doesn't look Iraqi at all.

[Tooting Carmen]

He doesn't look Iraqi at all.

But Jenaro Talens does?

[Hadouken]

He doesn't look Iraqi at all.

he does

and he doesnt fit in turkey

[Sikeliot]

But Jenaro Talens does?

Yes.

This guy looks not fully Caucasoid. More like a Turk or some kind of Latin American with Amerindian.

[Hadouken]

Yes.

This guy looks not fully Caucasoid. More like a Turk or some kind of Latin American with Amerindian.

he doesnt look turkish

for the 3rd time

[Sikeliot]

he doesnt look turkish

for the 3rd time

Well he also doesn't fit in Iraq either.

[Hadouken]

Well he also doesn't fit in Iraq either.

he actually does

or Egypt (as a more cacasoüd one)

[Sikeliot]

he actually does

or Egypt (as a more cacasoüd one)

There is clearly MONGOLOID influence.

[Hadouken]

There is clearly MONGOLOID influence.

I know what you mean I could see him being an Amerindian admixed Latino but I wouldnt say that he has mongoloid tbh.

[Tooting Carmen]

Typical. I post two Greek footballers and we run into several pages. By contrast, I post two Welsh footballers and no one posts anything.:rolleyes:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?142721-Classify-two-Welsh-footballers-called-Owain

[Sikeliot]

I know what you mean I could see him being an Amerindian admixed Latino but I wouldnt say that he has mongoloid tbh.

If you didn't say his ethnicity everyone would say at least 35% Native, and would place him in Mexico.

[Hadouken]

If you didn't say his ethnicity everyone would say at least 35% Native, and would place him in Mexico.

yes I think if he was put up for classification without people knowing what he is he would be placed in Latin America by many

but I think places like (southern) Iraq Egypt Jordan etc. would be mentioned aswell

[Hadouken]

Typical. I post two Greek footballers and we run into several pages. By contrast, I post two Welsh footballers and no one posts anything.:rolleyes:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?142721-Classify-two-Welsh-footballers-called-Owain

they just look like boring vanilla snowmonkey northerners thats why :p :biggrin: jk

the places where they fit is limited :D

[Armand_Duval]

The first one looks eastmed/gracile.

Second one looks really ambigoust, I could swear he' is mexican.

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/1909193.jpg

He doesnt look too far from Carlos Salcido's looking.

http://media-cdn.incondicionales.com.mx/media/galeria/1185/5/0/9/9/n_seleccion_mexicana_carlos_salcido-3159905.jpg

[Smeagol]

Second guy is not Mongoloid influenced, and he doesn't look like a Turk. I agree he can pass in Egypt though. Atypical for Greeks.

[Smeagol]

Darker than average ???

Lol, how do you imagine the average Greek?

[Armand_Duval]

I would say he looks tunisian, I have seen tunisians that overlap with mexicans in an interesting extent and look like that dude.

[Faklon]

Second one may be Saharid?

He bares resemblance to this Albanian rapper,Noizy/Rigels Rajku.

http://s13.postimg.org/63fkgf0nr/download_1.jpg

[mourtsouflos]

Karelis is Cretan,there was a Cretan guy in my high school dark like him.

Actually, he looks atypical for a Cretan and his last name is not Cretan at all:

http://apps.vrisko.gr/apo-pou-krataei-i-skoufia-sou/%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%82

Όπως και να 'χει, θα έλεγα να αφήσετε ορισμένοι τη στρατηγική "Ναι, είναι πιο μελαχρινός ο τάδε, αλλά είναι Πόντιος, Κύπριος, Κρητικός, Δωδεκανήσιος κλπ." Δεδομένου και ότι κάτι καλλονούς σαν τον Γκέκα και τον Καραγκούνη τους έχει γεννήσει η ηπειρωτική Ελλάς.

[Faklon]

Actually, he looks atypical for a Cretan and his last name is not Cretan at all:

http://apps.vrisko.gr/apo-pou-krataei-i-skoufia-sou/%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%82

Όπως και να 'χει, θα έλεγα να αφήσετε ορισμένοι τη στρατηγική "Ναι, είναι πιο μελαχρινός ο τάδε, αλλά είναι Πόντιος, Κύπριος, Κρητικός, Δωδεκανήσιος κλπ." Δεδομένου και ότι κάτι καλλονούς σαν τον Γκέκα και τον Καραγκούνη τους έχει γεννήσει η ηπειρωτική Ελλάς.


Δεν το είπε από το τίποτα,γεννημένος στο Ηράκλειο είναι,εσύ που ξέρεις ότι Γκέκας και Καραγκούνης δεν έχουν από τρεις Κρητικούς Παππούδες?:lol:
Τελοσπάντων,εδώ κατάφεραν να βγαίνουν σε κουκλάκια.xD

Καλό σάιτ πάντως.

[Porpolita]

They fit in Mexico. Yes, seriously.

[Casandrinos]

Temeteron Athanasiadis is very common face for Pontians.

[Faklon]

Absolutely no influxes with Euboea btw.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/ekgn0i.jpg

One of my family names.^

[Porpolita]

Typical. I post two Greek footballers and we run into several pages. By contrast, I post two Welsh footballers and no one posts anything.:rolleyes:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?142721-Classify-two-Welsh-footballers-called-Owain

When you post "classify generic North/Central European":
http://i57.tinypic.com/295qtjl.jpg

When you post "classify swarthy Southern European" (works very well if they have a big nose too):
http://i62.tinypic.com/2zptycl.jpg

[The Bridge]

I don't think this is always true Porpolita the people here seemed quite shy to classify some swarthy Southern Europeans I posted.

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[Bloodsport]

Athanasiadis looks like he is from the South Caucasus. Karelis looks very weird and very atypical but I've seen quite a few exotic people from Heraklion before.

[Faklon]

Second one is Cretan, first one has a Cretan surname.

All-Cretan Blacks.

First one has a Pontic or Politan surname.

[Sikeliot]

You can find every extreme of the spectrum in Crete.

Another reason Crete is the Greek equivalent to Sicily.

[Pjeter Pan]

Darker than average ???

Your right they are typical

[Hadouken]

Your right they are typical

I still doubt that the second guy is even fully Greek

[Pjeter Pan]

I still doubt that the second guy is even fully Greek

Greeks are like Italians

You have white looking ones and then you have ones that look like gypsies but they're still Greek.

[Faklon]

Confused for -akis. He does look like an Irakliotes though, like bloodsport said.

You can find every extreme of the spectrum in Crete.

You can find "extremes" almost everywhere but he isn't Cretan.

[Sikeliot]

Greeks are like Italians

You have white looking ones and then you have ones that look like gypsies but they're still Greek.

But I mean Crete has some of the wider diversity, like Sicily. From very light to very dark.

[Hadouken]

Greeks are like Italians

You have white looking ones and then you have ones that look like gypsies but they're still Greek.

people you are talking about dont look Gypsy inlcuding this footballer ..Gypsies look different

[Pjeter Pan]

people you are talking about dont look Gypsy inlcuding this footballer ..Gypsies look different

You know what I mean, just dark ME influenced looking

[NSXD60]

Karelis looks like Denzel Washington
http://i61.tinypic.com/fx579u.jpg

[Hadouken]

You know what I mean, just dark ME influenced looking

then use a different word

[wvwvw]

The last person is not "darker than average" but a pure gypsy. Stop posting gypsies!!

[wvwvw]

I expect you also to post Spaniards, Serbs, Bulgarians and Albanians who are "darker than average" and pure gypsies

[Mortimer]

The last person is not "darker than average" but a pure gypsy. Stop posting gypsies!!

the first guy looks less white then the second to me, look at that unibrow he looks kurdish, the second guy could be dark greek he is taller and more european looking facially and doesnt look gypsy but both dont look white to be honest

[Mortimer]

http://ethnikiomada.vodafone.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/30-Athanasiadis.jpg

[Hadouken]

The last person is not "darker than average" but a pure gypsy. Stop posting gypsies!!

he might be gypsy

[wvwvw]

He is not a darker Greek retarded gypsy, he is a gypsy just like you.

[Hadouken]

the first guy looks less white then the second to me, look at that unibrow he looks kurdish, the second guy could be dark greek he is taller and more european looking facially and doesnt look gypsy but both dont look white to be honest

unibrow is not a Kurdish trait ....dont believe in bullshit that some idiots say

and he doesnt look Kurdish either

and lol at "less white" looking than the second guy

[Mortimer]

He is not a darker Greek retarded gypsy, he is a gypsy just like you.

you retarded whore. he doesnt look gypsy but he might be i dont know but not typical, he looks northafrican to be honest, but like a berber or something like that. i dont think he is non-caucasoid the first guy is much more non-white look at him

http://ethnikiomada.vodafone.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/30-Athanasiadis.jpg

[Sikeliot]

First guy doesn't look that exotic to me, the second one could pass as Latin American mestizo.

[Pjeter Pan]

he might be gypsy

Nigga you just said they don't look gyspy xD

[Hadouken]

Nigga you just said they don't look gyspy xD

yes but since he is ambigious looking maybe he is ? you never know

Gypsies are also Diverse as you know

[Mortimer]

unibrow is not a Kurdish trait ....dont believe in bullshit that some idiots say

and he doesnt look Kurdish either

and lol at "less white" looking than the second guy

unibrow is a kurdish trait as kurds are dark and hairy but arabs are too and iranians, the first guy looks kurdish to me and he looks non-white, the second guy is a bit odd facially but i think he could be rather greek, i dont think he looks gypsy at all, he is not even that dark dark hair and eyes but not skin. he could be anything though, gypsy mestizo northafrican etc. but he is not white

[Mortimer]

yes but since he is ambigious looking maybe he is ? you never know

Gypsies are also Diverse as you know

so gypsies are ambigous and diverse but kurds are a pure race and not hairy or have unibrow lol

[Hadouken]

unibrow is a kurdish trait as kurds are dark and hairy but arabs are too and iranians, the first guy looks kurdish to me and he looks non-white, the second guy is a bit odd facially but i think he could be rather greek, i dont think he looks gypsy at all, he is not even that dark dark hair and eyes but not skin. he could be anything though, gypsy mestizo northafrican etc. but he is not white

cool story bro

I have a hairy chest

[Hadouken]

so gypsies are ambigous and diverse but kurds are a pure race and not hairy or have unibrow lol

wtf are you talking about ?

what exactly did offend you AGAIN ?

[Mortimer]

cool story bro

I have a hairy chest

you look very much like a kurd

[Mortimer]

wtf are you talking about ?

what exactly did offend you AGAIN ?

im not offended just that you talk nonsense and i need to correct it

[Hadouken]

you look very much like a kurd

how so ? I dont have a unibrow :P

[Hadouken]

im not offended just that you talk nonsense and i need to correct it

you didnt correct anything

and what do you mean by nonsense ?

[Mortimer]

how so ? I dont have a unibrow :P

you are dark hairy and your features are kurd obviously not every kurd has a unibrow, and there are other people with unibrows but the first guy looks like a kurd, typical kurd

[Hadouken]

you are dark hairy and your features are kurd obviously not every kurd has a unibrow, and there are other people with unibrows but the first guy looks like a kurd, typical kurd

I looked at him again he would pass but he doesnt look particulary kurdish tbh.

[Mortimer]

you didnt correct anything

and what do you mean by nonsense ?

well it is in the eye of the beholder i think that you talk nonsense, you think you are right though. lets agree to disagree. the second guy could be gypsy or have gypsy ancestry no doubt, but he doesnt look stereotypical or clearly gypsy he could anything from mestizo to puerto rican triracial to northafrican etc.

[Mortimer]

I looked at him again he would pass but he doesnt look particulary kurdish tbh.

he could also be something else like lebanese etc. but he is clearly not white

[Hadouken]

well it is in the eye of the beholder i think that you talk nonsense, you think you are right though. lets agree to disagree. the second guy could be gypsy or have gypsy ancestry no doubt, but he doesnt look stereotypical or clearly gypsy he could anything from mestizo to puerto rican triracial to northafrican etc.

no it is not in the eye of the beholder because I know better how kurds look

you know better how gypsies look

[Mortimer]

no it is not in the eye of the beholder because I know better how kurds look

you know better how gypsies look

ok but i know many kurds in real life, i dont say he could be only kurd but in austria i would guess him either as kurd or generally as "turk" he could also be lebanese or syrian etc. or iranian and such but he is not white and could never pass in austria as white

[Hadouken]

ok but i know many kurds in real life, i dont say he could be only kurd but in austria i would guess him either as kurd or generally as "turk" he could also be lebanese or syrian etc. or iranian and such but he is not white and could never pass in austria as white

but he is greek so european so white :P

[Sikeliot]

The first guy looks more Armenian.

[wvwvw]

Can you both get lost and go cyber sex someplace else?

[Hadouken]

Can you both get lost and go cyber sex someplace else?

no need

I just came

[Faklon]

Karelis has a strange look certainly,kind of Berberid looking but with straight hair and small forehead,don't think that he's part of the casual Cretan diversity but he doesn't look that gypsy neither.I'm wondering if his looks are explained in another way(eg mixed,adopted..)

[Ctwentysevenj]

I say Lebanon, Syria.

[Hellenas]

Stefanos Athanasiadis without the tanning.

http://www2.libero.fm/dbimg/10000/lthumbs/16823_main.jpg

http://olapaok.gr/incoming/article2154868.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/kla.jpg

http://olapaok.gr/multimedia/article704737.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/athasiadis+larisa+2.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/g3pUcEkOrCs/maxresdefault.jpg

http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/athanasiadis-eurokinissi.660.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rgmzla3DCJA/TcWGF37UP8I/AAAAAAAAAHw/pfeHlJp_e6Y/s1600/athanasiadis1.jpg

http://www.betboss.eu/filestore/images/336376800613354.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VzcEz6g01qc/UVm7dI_fKjI/AAAAAAAAoTk/U7r5oeAvJF0/s1600/1.jpg
With his girlfriend

[Hellenas]

Nikos Karelis

http://content-mcdn.sentragoal.gr/filesystem/images/20140212/low/pegasus_LARGE_t_1041_106198152.JPG

It seems he likes tanning.

[Hithaeglir]

The first one is East-Med/Alpine.
The second is beyond my classification abilities.I sense some kind of external admixture,but i may be wrong :lol:

[Peter Nirsch]

the second one is Amerindian, he can't be European.

[Hellenas]

To me they look European(south-east), white and Greeks.

[Hellenas]

And enough with this gypsy, gypsy, gypsy...

Gypsies in Greece look like that

http://a.media.gossip-tv.gr/items/cache/c33886c51a81885026cc97d8b90b10cd_L.jpg

They have natural brown skin color and non-Greek facial features.

[Casandrinos]

To me they look European(south-east), white and Greeks.

So what we learned today is that Athanasiadis turns into Vieriniha and Karelis into Abeid when untanned xD

[special]

the first isnt "darker than average" and the 2nd maybe isnt Greek

[Tooting Carmen]

the first isnt "darker than average"

How'd you define an average Greek pigmentation then?


and the 2nd maybe isnt Greek

Sakis and even Hellenas say he is.

[Guapo]

they look like Latin Americans

[Empecinado]

The second reminds me to some Canarians.

[bozkur]

They look Turkish

[Odin]

1. East-Med. Pass in Levant.
2. Saharid. Pass in North Africa.

[Lavrentis]

The first one is Anatolian Greek, from Pontus.

[Sikeliot]

The first one is Anatolian Greek, from Pontus.


It shows. He looks Armenian or Iranian. He probably is 90% or so native Caucasian and is not genetically Greek.

[Faklon]

snap

http://www.sporfm.gr/thumbnail.php?file=231524_128948402.jpg&size=article_medium
http://thessports.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/athnasiadis-paok-larisa-2007.jpg
http://www.tovima.gr/oldPhotos/Article%20Photos/20101206/371569.jpg
http://www.epo.gr/media/STOCK_PHOTOS/ETHNIKI_ANDRON/OMADA/athanasiadis.jpg

Some sort of paedomorphic/gracile dolicocephalic form along the classic med spectrum of Angel, certainly not atypical in Cyprus and variances of Greek islands.

Central Cretan Karelis on the other hand looks truly quadroon.

[wvwvw]

Athanasiades does not look Turkish, he looks Cypriot. No Greek would confuse him for Turk.

Karelis is gypsy, assimilated cigan.

[wvwvw]

It shows. He looks Armenian or Iranian. He probably is 90% or so native Caucasian and is not genetically Greek.

Never seen an Armenian, Iranian or Turk that looks like him. On the hand I ve seen Cypriots who look like him.

[wvwvw]

How'd you define an average Greek pigmentation then?



Sakis and even Hellenas say he is.

The second one is gypsy. And the Greek on the street always assumes he's foreigner. People assume he's a gypsy (which he is and it shows) or Egyptian.

[kleenex]

Certainly not a familiar look to me.

[Kouros]

Neither is Greek

2nd guy is fully gypsy to begin with

[Spanitalian]

Last one looks mixed with Amerindian.

[Lavrentis]

Central Cretan Karelis on the other hand looks truly quadroon.

Karelis is not Cretan, his surname has nothing to do with Crete.



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[Hudayar]

First one looks like a keko
Second one looks gypsy

[Bosniensis]

They don't look Greek to me.

[Lavrentis]

2nd guy is fully gypsy to begin with

I'm not saying that you're lying, but do you have any source on that?



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[Tauromachos]

First one looks like a keko


Keko??

Wtf is that?

[Newsboy]

Athanasiadis looks pan-Med, but most typical as Cypriot or Greek Islander.

Karelis looks North African.

[Kouros]

I'm not saying that you're lying, but do you have any source on that?



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lol does he look Greek to you?

[catgeorge]

Assimilated Greeks.

It is not dissimilar to say where does the Englishman pass?

https://platform-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/premierleague/photos/players/250x250/p40755.png

The two assimilated Greeks (less than 100 years on mainland) would score some Greek but they not your mainland Greek-Greek.

[Lavrentis]

lol does he look Greek to you?

No, but we don't know if he's a gypsy.

[Kouros]

No, but we don't know if he's a gypsy.

Tru lol