Would you support a Pan-European Union other than the current 'EU'?

[Arsenium DeLight]

Would you support a Pan-European Union other than the current 'EU'?

[Obscene]

No.

[Linebacker]

The EU is good enough.In the near future the rest of the outsiders that are out for now will join up too,and join up with NATO.

[Arsenium DeLight]

Pan-European identity refers to the sense of personal identification with Europe. The most concrete examples of pan-Europeanism are the European Union (EU) and the older Council of Europe. 'Europe' is widely used as a synonym for the EU, as 500 million Europeans are EU citizens, however many nations that are not part of the EU may have large portions of their populations who identify themselves as European as well as their own nationality. The prefix pan implies that the identity applies throughout Europe, and especially in an EU context, 'pan-European' is often contrasted with national.

The related term Europeanism refers to the assertion that the people of Europe have a distinctive set of political, economic and social norms and values that are slowly diminishing and replacing existing national or state-based norms and values.

Historically, European culture has not led to a geopolitical unit. As with the constructed nation, it might well be the case that a political or state entity will have to prefigure the creation of a broad, collective identity. At present, European integration co-exists with national loyalties and national patriotism.

A development of European identity is regarded as a vital objective in pursuing the establishment of a politically, economically and militarily influential united Europe in the world. It equally importantly supports the foundations of common European values, such as of fundamental human rights and spread of welfare. It also inherently strengthens the supra-national democratic and social institutions of the European Union. The concept of common European identity is viewed as rather a by-product than the main goal of the European integration process

[baws]

Why not , probably in the near 100 years it will happen .
Economicaly that would be great

[Empecinado]

No. Anyone who supports its country to dissolve into a pan-European union (be EU or other) is either a self-hater or a retard.

[Arsenium DeLight]

http://www.epaneurope.eu/

Otto von Habsburg (Otto the Great)

It is historically undeniable that the influence of Otto von Habsburg`s on US-President Franklin D. Roosevelt and on the British Prime Minister Winston Churchill made a major contribution that Austria resurrected as a state and that it did not disappear behind the Iron Curtain. The Republic was not grateful at all: returned to Tyrol in 1945, he had to leave the country again under the urging of the Soviet occupying force and the marionette Karl Renner. After a disclaimer in 1961 he had to fight for five years for his right to enter his home country Austria as an Austrian citizen. The panic of the left-wing parties that Habsburg might endanger the Republic was too immense.

Unjustified worries: In American exile, Otto von Habsburg, a European due to his origin and his experience, he also matured to a European driven by conviction. His aims were not the crowns of the ancestors, but the freeing of Europe from Communism and the unification of the continent in peace and freedom. More than half a century ago, the German newspaper ”Tagesspiegel” explained to its readers why the political class of the Republic of Austria has so many difficulties with Otto von Habsburg: ”An according to regulations slightly degenerated son of the Emperor might ideally be used as a staffage for balls and opera premieres, for boosting tourism and promoting spas. But with this Otto von Habsburg who, contrary to regulations, is intelligent and objective our well-catalogued world, that likes so much measuring in one measuring unit, is apparently confused.”

As a statesman without a state the spoken and written word had been his weapon for many decades. A sharp weapon, apparently, as it is illustrated by the number and vehemence of his opponents. In 1978, he, the descendant of a great number of German Kings and Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire, took out German citizenship in order to run for the elections of the first directly elected European Parliament. He, who in at young age became a victim of world policy began, after a career as a columnist and writer of non-fiction, at the age of 66, a parliamentary work. He was a Bavarian Member of Parliament in n Straßbourg and Brussels, but also was the first representative of Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, yes, of all peoples, which were refused the participation in the Project Europe by the Iron Fist of Communism.

While statesmen like Charles de Gaulle, Robert Schuman, Konrad Adenauer or Franz Josef had already attached to importance to his advice before, he rapidly became an authority beyond national borders and beyond parliamentary groups in European Parliament. For two decades he worked here as Lawyer for the peoples suffering from Communist yoke, as champion of a Christian Europe, but also as a trustee of thousands of so-called minor requests of citizens. His diligence and his manifold competencies commanded the respect even of ideological opponents.

With his increasing age, the extent of appreciation grew: In the 1970s he was abused as a ”cold warrior”, his vision, however, began to come true in 1989. The prisons of nations of the 20th century – the Soviet Union with its Eastern bloc and Yugoslavia – collapsed, as Otto von Habsburg had predicted. With the great eastward enlargement of the European the ”illusion” for which Otto von Habsburg had been laughed at for a long time began to come true. ”I always set my targets beyond the scope of my bullets”, he liked to say. For this reason, he had never been backward-looking or insisting, but courageously and in a target-oriented way going ahead.

He did not intend to restore the shattered and broken shapes of old Empire, but he intended to save the most valuable and precious contents in a modern form: the Holy Roman Empire and, lateron, Austria-Hungary had been supranational und plural, tolerant and, however, organised communities. Otto von Habsburg had the wish of a supranational and plural, tolerant and, however, organised European Union. ”Europe has to grow like a tree, it does not have to be put up like skyscraper”, he often said. The united Europe was no new invention or construction form him, but a rediscovery: The multilingual and far-travelled man, whose family has its roots in many nations of Europe, knew from learned, experienced and suffered history that the poison of nationalism had destroyed the Empire of his Fathers and the whole continent.

He regarded the European Union as an area of justice and a sanctuary, as the roof for the free development of the peoples and ethnic groups, as a peace power. Otto von Habsburg intended to bring about the commitment of his admirers and supporters to this vision which definitely is not congruent with ideas of the current high-ranking EU politicians. Otto`s true heirs are not the nostalgists who, to the annoyance of the imperial family, are promoting bizarre candidatures in front of the Capuchin Crypt, but the visionaries of the Paneuropean Movement.

His weapon was his word.

http://www.epaneurope.eu/news-details/items/otto-the-great.htm

[Arsenium DeLight]

A sense of European identity traditionally derives from the idea of a common European historical narrative. In turn, that is assumed to be the source of the most fundamental European values. Typically the 'common history' includes a combination of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, the feudalism of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Age of Enlightenment, 19th century liberalism, Christianity, secularism, colonialism and the World Wars.

Nowadays, European identity is promoted by, among others, the European Commission, and especially their Directorate-General for Education and Culture. They promote this identity and ideology through funding of educational exchange programmes, the renovation of key historical sites, the promulgation of a progressive linear history of Europe terminating in European integration, and through the promotion and encouragement of political integration.

[Jehan]

No, i don't support the destruction of the national identity. Each country should keep the autority on his national field. But i beleive in some kind of "European brotherhood". Have economics relation in priority with european country. If a country need immigrants make them come from other european country who have hight level of unemployment...

[Jehan]

I don't agree. European Commission and European Union don't promotate an European identity, they destroy national identity and promotate world identity.

[Damião de Góis]

People don't care about "Europe", they care about their countries. Non-voters from the last european elections:

http://network23.org/outforbeyond/files/2014/06/Voter-turnout_eu_elections_2014.jpg

The numbers are pretty clear on how much people care.

[Arsenium DeLight]

The idea that Europe should be united politically has been present in European culture since the Middle Ages, and inspired several proposals for some form of confederation. With the growth of nationalism in the 19th century, several pan-national ideas of Europe developed, some of them based on Aryanism and other race theories.

Within the larger current of pan-European thought, there are those who explicitly support the idea that Europe is a single nation, or that it should seek to become one. In French, this concept is known as Nation-Europe or Europe-Nation.

The term European Nationalism is sometimes used in English which may be shortened to Euronationalism

[Norman]

Who can address the needs of a people better than one of their own?
Band? yes, unity? no.
It makes it a lot easier for bad guys to implement bad ideas.

[Arsenium DeLight]

Support for Pan-European Ethnic Nationalism is urgent in this time of great peril for the European People. Paradoxically - since a single nation-Europe implies the disappearance of existing nations - it is found mostly on the fringes of nationalist parties and it is these same parties that should evolve from their primitive individualistic nationalism and start defending Pan-European Nationalism.

Some of the 19th-century nationalists were supporters of a form of European unity. The Italian nationalist Giuseppe Mazzini, the founder of Young Italy and an inspiration for Young Ireland, also founded an association called Young Europe in 1834. (Mazzini sought no European state: he saw Europe as inherently composed of nations). The International Paneuropean Union or 'Paneuropean Movement' was founded in 1923 by Richard Nikolaus Graf Coudenhove-Kalergi. It survived the Second World War, and had some influence on the formation of the European Economic Community. (Coudenhove-Kalergi first proposed An die Freude as European anthem). Unfortunately nowadays it is clear that The International Paneuropean Union has betrayed the People of Europe alongside the Marxist/Liberal European Union, which has a clear agenda to sell Europe and it’s people to the savage capitalist interests. In the meantime, Europeans are daily being brainwashed into accepting the sick and twisted project for our future that the Marxist/Liberal traitors have cooked up for us.

Towards the end of the Second World War, Nazi-German propaganda emphasized the 'European' nature of the struggle against the Soviet Union. However, no concrete proposals for a pan-European structure replaced the earlier ideas of German hegemony in its Lebensraum. Hitler and his Nazi regime are one more of the great catastrophes of History that have struck the European People. The crimes the Nazi regime committed against Europeans can and will never be forgotten, for this reason, any European that supports Nazism and at the same time calls himself a Pan-European Nationalist cannot be accepted into any true Euronationalist movement, for the simple reason that Nazism is a German Nationalist Movement and not an Euronationalist Movement. Any Nazi is therefore a traitor to Europe and is of no use for the European Pan-Nationalists.

After the war, the Swede Per Engdahl created a European Social Movement (with the same name as a small French collaborationist party, founded in 1942 by Pierre Costantini) alongside Maurice Bardèche. A more extremist splinter group, the New European Order, would also emerge under Switzerland's Gaston Armand Amaudruz
Shortly afterwards Francis Parker Yockey created the European Liberation Front which only had a brief existence. Much the same fate awaited the European Popular Movement created at the end of 1950s by Otto Strasser.

In 1960, parallel to the foundation of Jeune Europe by Jean Thiriart, the latter, with Otto Strasser and Oswald Mosley, briefly created the National Party of Europe. Mosley promoted European Nationalism with his Europe a Nation campaign, and through his (British) Union Movement. Jeune Europe disappeared in 1969. It was succeeded by several pan-European movements of less importance, such as Comité de liaison des européens révolutionnaires and the European Liberation Front (the second organisation with this name).

[Ars Moriendi]

Pipedream concocted by Americans and Wold Government lovers.

[Hithaeglir]

Pan-european definitely not.The EU as it is now is enough.

[Raikaswinþs]

It depends what we consider as Europe, there are too many definitions:Geographical, Political, Cultural, Economic, Civilizational... There are many Europes and therefore There are many concepts of Pan-European.

I understand Europe mostly as the old borders of the Roman Empire. But since the fall of the Western Empire in the V century to our days and through the fall of the Eastern Empire in the XV century and the subsequent centuries, many parts of the old Roman civilization have gone their own way or been conquered by other Civilisations which have changed the Roman substrate for a different one (The Middle East and North Africa come to mind) Whereas other parts of the world have become very attatched to Europe when not directly off-shots of European Culture (In the Roman sense)

Also during all this time Europeanness has received important cultural influz from non Imperial (in the old Roman sense) cultures such as Germanic or Slavic, which in turn have also been influenced to a huge extent by European civilisation (mainly in the form of Religion, Political alliances and Dinastic unions).

So the Largest Pan-European concept that comes to mind includes the Entire Western Civilisation while the smallest Pan-european concept (and the one I see more feasible for geopolitical and economic collaboration) is more or less restricted to the territories of the Western Roman Empire plus Greece) that remain in the Western Part of the Eurasian continent in the form of the modern states of Greece, Italy,Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal and perhaps Great Britain and Swizterland , though for different reasons, these last two are perhaps less keen to get too involved in a geopolitical confederation.

I would set the capital in various cities. There could be an Atlantic Capital (Lisbon), a Mediterranean Capital (Perhaps Barcelona, Rome or Athens) and a Continental Capital (Most likely Paris ). It would consist mostly in a Strong Trade Agreement much like the original EC along with a geopolitical and military alliance (Perhaps Joint Security Forces) and perhaps even the establishing of a series of minimum standards that would guarantee that poverty, explotation and social exclusion doesn't happen anywhere in the confederation. For everything else, the members would function independently and have the freedom to pursue what's best for their own regions/states/kingdoms...etc.

[Arsenium DeLight]

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National Europeanism (and the concept of a Biological European Union) is a worldview within which proponents advocate Europe being united racially and politically as a form of Pan-European nationalism. This view has been present in European culture since at least the Middle Ages (the Roman Empire was possibly an ancestor of the view), and inspired several proposals for some form of confederation. Within the larger current of pan-European thought, there are those who explicitly support the idea that Europe is a single race, and therefore should present a united front.

[Arsenium DeLight]

Is Europe becoming increasingly more Anti-American? If so, are the differences in their political systems to blame for this?

Pan-Europeanism is the new state of Europe, and this is hidden from no one. European countries have come together, economically and politically, to tilt the balance-of-power on their side through cooperation and collaboration. It cannot be denied that Pan-Europeanism is more than just a political union; it is also a cultural union. With this growing Pan-Europeanism, many notice the birth of strong Anti-Americanism.

Political theorists such as Mark Leonard and T.R. Reid believe that differences between Europe and the US outweigh their similarities, and that these differences fuel a transatlantic rift, or in many cases, a growing European anti-Americanism. This thesis raises many questions: Is Europe bound by their similarities or do they stand united only to reject the US? What are these similarities and differences in the political systems? And to what extent are these political differences the cause of the growing anti-Americanism?