What % of Iberian/French Females Have Black Hair?

[Acrylic]

I've noticed it's not too uncommon for Iberian/French men (especially Southern French men) to have black hair -- but what about the women? I've noticed it seems more rare amongst them.

How common is black hair amongst the women?

[Tooting Carmen]

In most if not all ethnic groups and nationalities, women are usually lighter-pigmented than men on average. I'd say 5-10% of Frenchwomen have black hair and 15-20% of Iberian women do.

[Acrylic]

In most if not all ethnic groups and nationalities, women are usually lighter-pigmented than men on average. I'd say 5-10% of Frenchwomen have black hair and 15-20% of Iberian women do.

Yes, I'm completely aware of this, but I've noticed amongst Iberian Men it's quite common for black hair, but not Iberian women. I was just a bit curious about the French too.

[Empecinado]

True black hair is rare, but dark brown hair is common.

[Tooting Carmen]

True black hair is rare, but dark brown hair is common.

I agree that true black hair is a minority, but not that uncommon. Furthermore, dark brown hair is the most common hair colour for both sexes in Iberia and Southern France (Northern France would have more light brown hair, as in Britain).

[Empecinado]

I agree that true black hair is a minority, but not that uncommon. Furthermore, dark brown hair is the most common hair colour for both sexes in Iberia and Southern France (Northern France would have more light brown hair, as in Britain).

Black hair is very uncommon among Spaniards, don't mistake very dark brown with black. I know Spaniards with true black hair and it's characteristical they start to grow the first white hairs very soon, at their 20s.

[Tooting Carmen]

Black hair is very uncommon among Spaniards, don't mistake very dark brown with black. I know Spaniards with true black hair and it's characteristical they start to grow the first white hairs very soon, at their 20s.

Well OK, but do you agree with me that a plurality, if not an outright majority of Spaniards have dark brown hair?

[Dictator]

True black hair has a blueish tint. I've never seen someone with true black hair.

[Empecinado]

Well OK, but do you agree with me that a plurality, if not an outright majority of Spaniards have dark brown hair?

Yes, probably around 60% have it. The other is mostly medium brown, followed by light brown and dirty blond. But black hair is very rare.

[Acrylic]

True black hair has a blueish tint. I've never seen someone with true black hair.

Okay, not necessarily "true black hair" but black hair, even in a lighter shade.

[Brighton]

Even in Chile brown hair is more common than black hair

In Scandinavia/Britain dark brown hair is referred to as black hair though.. since they haven't got true black hair

[Dictator]

Okay, not necessarily "true black hair" but black hair, even in a lighter shade.

If it's not true black hair then it's not black.

[The Bridge]

Why are Iberians and French even grouped in the same thread? The statistics obviously differ.

[Lábaru]

Why are Iberians and French even grouped in the same thread? The statistics obviously differ.

And what an American know about this?

[Acrylic]

Why are Iberians and French even grouped in the same thread? The statistics obviously differ.

So? The question is still the same.

[Acrylic]

If it's not true black hair then it's not black.

Even lighter black is still black, you don't need dark black hair to be considered having 'black hair' or 'true black hair'.

So take in consideration various shades of black.

[The Bridge]

http://unsafeharbour.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/map-europefair-carletoncoon.jpg

I'm not an American but even they seem to know this ^

[Acrylic]

http://unsafeharbour.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/map-europefair-carletoncoon.jpg

I'm not an American but even they seem to know this ^

Yeah but who knows what "dark" necessarily means in that map, it could mean everything besides blonde/red hair.

[Lábaru]

these threads are never consistent because each individual has an idea of ​​what should be a hair color as "brown", some people on these forums also tends to exaggerate the tone of depigmentation needed to be brown or blond hair, because on this way they transmit the idea that they are exigent whites.

[Lábaru]

http://unsafeharbour.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/map-europefair-carletoncoon.jpg

I'm not an American but even they seem to know this ^

Another map of similar age
http://eatrio.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/7.-Pangea_continents_and_oceans.jpg

http://eatrio.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/8.-pangea_07sep2007.jpg

Puto sueño, una isla desconectados de todos.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah but who knows what "dark" necessarily means in that map, it could mean everything besides blonde/red hair.

Dark brown hair mainly, such as this:
http://www.sabc.co.za/wps/wcm/connect/887b50004bc0e270a27da75d3fa648ac/iker-casillas(R).jpg?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=887b50004bc0e270a27da75d3fa648achttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2010/324x324/98953.jpghttp://www.footballzz.com/img/geral/79787_ori_.jpghttp://cdn.controlinveste.pt/storage/DN/2011/big/ng1672669.JPGhttp://cdn.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Yoann-Gourcuff.jpghttp://www.planetepsg.com/divers/0514124558.jpg

[Acrylic]

Okay, so for females, let me show you my perception on hair color...

Dark brown:

http://i.imgur.com/SqKHgXB.jpg

Light black:

http://img004.lazygirls.info/people/antoinette_kalaj/antoinette_kalaj_1130764_3_cGdyAJf.sized.jpg

Dark black:

http://www.latesttrendsz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Hairstyles-14.jpg

What % of Iberian/French females fall into the light black/dark black spectrum or just inbetween.

[Not a Cop]

In most if not all ethnic groups and nationalities, women are usually lighter-pigmented than men on average. I'd say 5-10% of Frenchwomen have black hair and 15-20% of Iberian women do.

You are actually completely wrong in all statistics i've seen so far wemen are darker than men,

Here is for emaple statistic on Swedes.

http://s019.radikal.ru/i621/1206/2f/0b073d242194.jpg

[The Bridge]

The fact it's an old map makes it even more trustworthy if anything.

[Tooting Carmen]

Do these Colombian footballers have dark brown hair or black hair? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?142852-Classify-Colombian-footballers-from-Bogota

[aimar]

I have 3 out of 16 female cousins with very dark brown/almost black hair.
The overall percentage I would guees around 10/15%

[aimar]

Okay, so for females, let me show you my perception on hair color...

Dark brown:

http://i.imgur.com/SqKHgXB.jpg

Light black:

http://img004.lazygirls.info/people/antoinette_kalaj/antoinette_kalaj_1130764_3_cGdyAJf.sized.jpg

Dark black:

http://www.latesttrendsz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Hairstyles-14.jpg

What % of Iberian/French females fall into the light black/dark black spectrum or just inbetween.

20/25% for the first
probably less than 1% for the others.

[Acrylic]

20/25% for the first
probably less than 1% for the others.

Yet black hair is more common for the males?

Here's a group of Spaniards:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q0yxRgvp8so/TxNB5Anhr9I/AAAAAAAAAnA/T7v-mTCcyVA/s1600/Equipo1.jpg

Some of those guys fall into light/dark black spectrum.

[Bloody]

I agree that true black hair is a minority, but not that uncommon. Furthermore, dark brown hair is the most common hair colour for both sexes in Iberia and Southern France (Northern France would have more light brown hair, as in Britain).

Britain and Ireland are packed with darkbrown/blackish hair, bot the majority but a huge % of the population. Heck Id go as far to claim in most of Ireland, wales, southern england and norther scotland darkbrown hair could be the most common.

[Anthropologique]

Black hair is very uncommon among Spaniards, don't mistake very dark brown with black. I know Spaniards with true black hair and it's characteristical they start to grow the first white hairs very soon, at their 20s.

I totally agree. What people see as "black" is really an espresso brown. In sunlight, it shows reddish highlights. Black hair does not have such. True black hair is
rare anywhere in Western Europe. It's more frequent in the East Med.

[Bloody]

Yet black hair is more common for the males?

Here's a group of Spaniards:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q0yxRgvp8so/TxNB5Anhr9I/AAAAAAAAAnA/T7v-mTCcyVA/s1600/Equipo1.jpg

Some of those guys fall into light/dark black spectrum.
I see only black or very darkbrown in every single person of that picture.

[Anthropologique]

http://unsafeharbour.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/map-europefair-carletoncoon.jpg

I'm not an American but even they seem to know this ^

Maps like these are garbage and based mainly on poor anecdotal evidence. Don't you know that
people like Coon were long ago exposed as charlatans and racists?

[Tooting Carmen]

Britain and Ireland are packed with darkbrown/blackish hair, bot the majority but a huge % of the population. Heck Id go as far to claim in most of Ireland, wales, southern england and norther scotland darkbrown hair could be the most common.

As usual you are exaggerating. I'd say 40-50% of Welsh and Irish people, and circa 30-40% of English and Scottish people, have either dark brown or very occasionally black hair. However, I would agree that, unlike elsewhere in Northern Europe, dark brown hair is more common in the British Isles than is blonde hair, but even so the most common hair colour is still light brown overall. Anyway, this thread asks about Iberian and French women, so let us not digress.

[Anthropologique]

The fact it's an old map makes it even more trustworthy if anything.


Err, more trustworthy? You can't be serious.

[Anthropologique]

Why are Iberians and French even grouped in the same thread? The statistics obviously differ.

What's the problem? I'm part French and Iberian and certainly see some similarities.

[aimar]

I too think you shouldn't group Iberians and French.
Specially regarding pigmentation there will be big differences.

[The Bridge]

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[The Bridge]

Err, more trustworthy? You can't be serious.
A 100 year old map would be more trustworthy than a map illustrating the current phenotypical mess that is France, also thanks to the Iberian immigration, that's for sure. Today they would probably be sampling also Iberian-French mixed people like you.


I'm part French and Iberian and certainly see some similarities.
Not enough to make the relationship special, no. I don't mean to offend anyone, it's just the way it is.

[Tobi]

I see only black or very darkbrown in every single person of that picture.

Without sunlight all medium-brown or dark-brown hair looks black.

[Anthropologique]

A 100 year old map would be more trustworthy than a map illustrating the current phenotypical mess that is France, also thanks to the Iberian immigration, that's for sure. Today they would probably be sampling also Iberian-French mixed people like you.


Not enough to make the relationship special, no. I don't mean to offend anyone, it's just the way it is.

Who says it's special? There are clear similarities and genetic clustering shows that. I think for some strange reason you are the one that is offended, seriously.

BTW, pigmentation studies for Europe include ONLY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE (see Candille et al. 2012-2013, for example). The map you referenced isn't worth the paper its printed on.

[The Bridge]

You seem very hurt. Sorry.

[Tooting Carmen]

I too think you shouldn't group Iberians and French.
Specially regarding pigmentation there will be big differences.

Iberians and Southern French overlap significantly, but people from Normandy, Alsace-Lorraine, Burgundy, Picardy etc. are very different to Iberians.

[Anthropologique]

Iberians and Southern French overlap significantly, but people from Normandy, Alsace-Lorraine, Burgundy, Picardy etc. are very different to Iberians.

No one said otherwise.

[Anthropologique]

You seem very hurt. Sorry.

Don't know what you are talking about. Hurt about what? I just pointed out some facts to you, that's all.
You seem to have issues.

[Tooting Carmen]

Contrary to what some people think, the majority of Spanish women look more-or-less like this:
http://medias.unifrance.org/medias/111/253/64879/format_page/carmen-maura.jpghttp://www.charadaimagenpersonal.es/images/Blog/soraya_saenz_santamaria/pelo/Pelo%204.jpg

Moreover, the proportion who look like this:
http://www.elsingular.cat/cat/img2/2014/07/alvarez_de_toledo_faes_470x350.jpghttp://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Marisa+Paredes+HnFDHu0ggN-m.jpg

Is almost if not actually the same as the proportion who look like this:
http://www.hoipoi.net/webs/nuet/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ALMUDENA.jpghttp://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2008/hhm/040108_cruz_400x400.jpg

[Empecinado]

http://www.hoipoi.net/webs/nuet/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ALMUDENA.jpghttp://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2008/hhm/040108_cruz_400x400.jpg

Why do you always post photos of Penelope Cruz full of makeup?

http://www.offcoolmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/penelope-cruz-sin-maquillaje-sonrisa.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_TfronHsd9w/TjjiSWgp8tI/AAAAAAAAAhs/7JBt6Sqd1Mg/s1600/10_penelope_galeria_landscape.jpg

[Empecinado]

..........................

[Tooting Carmen]

Why do you always post photos of Penelope Cruz full of makeup?

That's actually one of the less tanned photos I've seen her in. Hollywood makes her often look more exotic than that.
http://media1.onsugar.com/files/2013/12/17/694/n/1922398/93dda4ad080f6e15_thumb_temp_image33037408138729444 5.jpg.preview_tall/i/Penelope-Cruz-Interview-Allure-Magazine-January-2014.jpghttp://promfih.com/data_images/main/penelope-cruz/penelope-cruz-08.jpghttp://promfih.com/data_images/main/penelope-cruz/penelope-cruz-04.jpghttp://www.urbansplatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Penelope-Cruz-Pictures-1-1.jpg
Etc. etc.

Anyway, you missed my point that, contrary to what some people believe, people like her and Almudena Grandes are NOT what the majority of Spaniards look like.

[Lábaru]

I've noticed it's not too uncommon for Iberian/French men (especially Southern French men) to have black hair -- but what about the women? I've noticed it seems more rare amongst them.

How common is black hair amongst the women?

Ask a Spanish, Portuguese or someone from southern France, the other opinions are worthless

[Anthropologique]

Anyway isn't Penelope's father part Gypsy? If so, she is not indigenous Iberian, even though she doesn't really stand out as radically different in Spain.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway isn't Penelope's father part Gypsy? If so, she is not indigenous Iberian, even though she doesn't really stand out as radically different in Spain.

Well either way, my point is that a lot of people think that women like her and Almudena Grandes are what average Spanish women look like, when in fact the first two women I posted - actress Carmen Maura and Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz - are roughly the average.

[Empecinado]

That's actually one of the less tanned photos I've seen her in. Hollywood makes her often look more exotic than that.

Anyway, you missed my point that, contrary to what some people believe, people like her and Almudena Grandes are NOT what the majority of Spaniards look like.

Because Hollywood wants her to fit with the stereotype there is in USA about Spaniards being pseudo-mestizos. In USA many even don't know Pau Gasol is Spaniard only because he does not fits with such stereotype.

[Anthropologique]

Well either way, my point is that a lot of people think that women like her and Almudena Grandes are what average Spanish women look like, when in fact the first two women I posted - actress Carmen Maura and Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz - are roughly the average.

I agree. There are some VERY twisted perceptions out there when it comes to Spaniards and Portuguese. Stupidity and insecurities are in great supply in today's world.

[Tooting Carmen]

Because Hollywood wants her to fit with the stereotype there is in USA about Spaniards being pseudo-mestizos. In USA many even don't know Pau Gasol is Spaniard only because he does not fits with such stereotype.

So where do they assume he is from then? It is not even as if he looks particularly Nordic or anything. If Americans really think that Spaniards look like Mestizos then that is their problem, not anyone else's.

[Anthropologique]

Because Hollywood wants her to fit with the stereotype there is in USA about Spaniards being pseudo-mestizos. In USA many even don't know Pau Gasol is Spaniard only because he does not fits with such stereotype.

Sad but true. Tourists are sometimes shocked when they see real Iberians for the first time ... "err, you don't look Mexican ... maybe French, or something."

[Anthropologique]

So where do they assume he is from then? It is not even as if he looks particularly Nordic or anything. If Americans really think that Spaniards look like Mestizos then that is their problem, not anyone else's.

Well, certainly some of the poorly educated ones - there are many - see things that way.

[Lábaru]

Arturo Vidal is a banned user, a clon.

[Anthropologique]

Nah. That's how Penelope Cruz appears in the film Volver.

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36500000/Pen-lope-Cruz-image-penelope-cruz-36520677-1280-1024.jpg

Her daughter in the film, Yohana Cobo, 100% Spanish

http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/yohana_cobo/fotos/2560/yohana_cobo.jpg

https://www.wodumedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Left-Lola-Duenas-as-Sole-Middle-Yohana-Cobo-as-Paula-Right-Penelope-Cruz-as-Raimunda.-Photo-by-Emilio-Pereda-and-Paola-Ardizzoni-Emilio-Pereda-and-Paola-Ardizzoni-El-Deseo-courtesy-of-Sony-Pictures-Classics-all-rights-re-18.jpg

If the father is part Gypsy then she is not an indigenous Spaniard. Seriously ...

[Tooting Carmen]

If the father is part Gypsy then she is not an indigenous Spaniard. Seriously ...

You misunderstood. She is the daughter in the film, not in real life.

[Anthropologique]

Arturo Vidal is a banned user, a clon.

This is the S. Italian / Argentine clown pretending to be Anglo / Germanic. What a moron.

[Empecinado]

So where do they assume he is from then? It is not even as if he looks particularly Nordic or anything. If Americans really think that Spaniards look like Mestizos then that is their problem, not anyone else's.

I'm just telling you why Penelope Cruz put the makeup in order to look pseudo-mestiza or Middle Eastern, because that's the stereotype US Americans have about Spanish people so they expect from a Spanish character to look like that.

[Anthropologique]

You misunderstood. She is the daughter in the film, not in real life.

Well, the person playing the daughter hardly looks native Spaniard / Iberian.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyhow, we seem to be diverging from the main topic. While dark brown hair is the majority hair colour in all of Iberia, in France it is probably circa half the population that has it (once all regions are taken into account).

[Lábaru]

This is the S. Italian / Argentine clown pretending to be Anglo / Germanic. What a moron.

These threads are only useful for hunt new accounts of previously banned users.

[Leto]

You are actually completely wrong in all statistics i've seen so far wemen are darker than men,

Here is for emaple statistic on Swedes.

http://s019.radikal.ru/i621/1206/2f/0b073d242194.jpg
Women seem a bit lighter. Just look at non-European caucasoids. Female ones are oftentimes paler than men who are more brownish.

[Anthropologique]

So far this pathetic thread has attracted one racially insecure Argentine troll and a somewhat confused and defensive French person.
I can just imagine what is coming next.

[Lábaru]

So far this pathetic thread has attracted one racially insecure Argentine troll and a somewhat confused and defensive French person.
I can just imagine what is coming next.

He is not French.

[Anthropologique]

Oh, another pretender? Claims to be a woman from "Gaul." LOL!

[Smeagol]

True Black hair doesn't exist in European populations. (Or at least it's close to nonexistent.) majority of Iberians are dark brown haired. French are more often medium brown haired I think.

[Acrylic]

Anyhow, we seem to be diverging from the main topic. While dark brown hair is the majority hair colour in all of Iberia, in France it is probably circa half the population that has it (once all regions are taken into account).

So you would say about 15-20% Iberian women and about 10% of French women fall into the spectrum of light black/dark black hair like I posted? As I've said in the OP it seems more common amongst the men to have black hair instead of the females.

[B01AB20]

True Black hair doesn't exist in European populations. (Or at least it's close to nonexistent.) majority of Iberians are dark brown haired. French are more often medium brown haired I think.

Full nonsense...

My father has (or had before the white hair) a pure black hair, he has bright blue eyes too.
My father has 2 sisters, one with black hair and the other blonde, both with blue eyes.
My mother the same, she has black hair, (not bown, black).

I was light blonde as a tender child (there's a picture here somewhere) and now I'm medium brown or light brown, my brother has black hair, and we both have blue eyes...

Don't know, maybe iberians are too complicated for some people.

[Stimpy]

In most if not all ethnic groups and nationalities, women are usually lighter-pigmented than men on average. I'd say 5-10% of Frenchwomen have black hair and 15-20% of Iberian women do.

Men actually have a very slightly higher amount of natural blonde hair than women in most European countries for some reason.

[Bahaman]

Women are not lighter than men in complexion. Women nowadays tend to lighten their hair to appear whiter. That's all.

[Dictator]

Even lighter black is still black, you don't need dark black hair to be considered having 'black hair' or 'true black hair'.

So take in consideration various shades of black.

Lighter black is grey, not black.

[Leo Iscariot]

Black hair is very uncommon among Spaniards, don't mistake very dark brown with black. I know Spaniards with true black hair and it's characteristical they start to grow the first white hairs very soon, at their 20s.

Interesting, mine came out when I was about 14-15. Good to know it's normal.

[FeederOfRavens]

Is say 30-40% for both.

[Lusos]

I too think you shouldn't group Iberians and French.
Specially regarding pigmentation there will be big differences.

Do all Iberians look the same.
Do all French look the same.

What's the "Big" differences ? It seems you too group us with NA's

For some time that I have my doubts you are Portuguese.

[Bahaman]

French are not even that dark. Northern French are mostly light-brown haired.

[Gaita]

Not sure, I'm going to start counting.... Be right back

[Acrylic]

Bump.

[Acrylic]

Ask a Spanish, Portuguese or someone from southern France, the other opinions are worthless

So how common is it?

[Acrylic]

Would you say these women are average for Espana/Southern France?

http://s7.postimg.org/j0amwabi3/385843.jpg

[caviezel]

most of brits look ash dark brown to me, I wouldn't call them light brown.

[Comte Arnau]

The only area covering Iberia and France where I've seen real native black hair is in the Bascon/Gascon area. Ironically enough, those who exhibit real black hair tended to look rather pale in their skin tone.

[Ouistreham]

Would you say these women are average for Espana/Southern France?

http://s7.postimg.org/j0amwabi3/385843.jpg
Cadiz, Granada, Malaga, Sevilla...
Actually it seems they're all from the South of Spain.

Women sport teams from South-Western France (Toulouse, the capital of Gascony):
Gymnastics:
http://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2011/05/28/201105281575.jpg

Handball (with the unavoidable Black and Arab):
http://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2013/04/11/201304111997-full.jpg

Rugby (caution, muscular chicks!), a university club, somewhat more upper class:
http://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2010/01/14/201001141403.jpg

[ Back to topic ] I don't know how black is dark brown, but I am under the impression that there is a specific sexual dimorphism in Spain as for hair and skin colour (even leaving aside that a large share of Spanish girls have chemically modified hair, and that longer hair tends to bleach naturally under exposure to sunlight). Women have frequently an auburn shade that men don't have, and a significantly paler skin, more so than in Italy for instance.


What's the problem? I'm part French and Iberian and certainly see some similarities.
MENTEUR!
The god dam liar at it again.

[Lábaru]

So how common is it?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?8008-Spanish-Schools-human-variety

Or

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?37555-Cantabrian-Iberian-phenotypes/page7&highlight=cantabrians

[Tooting Carmen]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?8008-Spanish-Schools-human-variety

Or

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?37555-Cantabrian-Iberian-phenotypes/page7&highlight=cantabrians

The first thread is plastered here and on other anthrofora all the time. I do wish that newer and more imaginative photos of Spanish crowds could be shown.

[Empecinado]

In my signature there is a shitload of photos of Spaniards by region...

[Acrylic]

In my signature there is a shitload of photos of Spaniards by region...

Yeah but they're mostly men -- the woman pictures are usually basketball teams or other sporting teams and lanky Nordic types usually dominate those.

The men look how I except them to look, but I can cherrypick images of Spaniard females too.

See:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h260/sjaradona/zzzspaingirls.jpg

I'm familiar with Iberian male phenotypes -- not women.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah but they're mostly men -- the woman pictures are usually basketball teams or other sporting teams and lanky Nordic types usually dominate those.

The men look how I except them to look, but I can cherrypick images of Spaniard females too.

See:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h260/sjaradona/zzzspaingirls.jpg

I'm familiar with Iberian male phenotypes -- not women.

Try these then:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119121-Female-MPs-from-Catalonia-versus-female-MPs-from-Lombardy-compare-and-contrast
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119121-Female-MPs-from-Catalonia-versus-female-MPs-from-Lombardy-compare-and-contrast
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?122934-Sicilian-female-MPs-and-Andalusian-female-MPs-compare-and-contrast

[King Claus]

:pop2:

[Guapo]

:pop2:

lol what a thread

[Lábaru]

The first thread is plastered here and on other anthrofora all the time. I do wish that newer and more imaginative photos of Spanish crowds could be shown.

I know you prefer to penelope cruz full of makeup, Colombian.

[Tooting Carmen]

I know you prefer to penelope cruz, Colombian.

Actually, if you read what I said earlier, I made a point of saying she is NOT average, and that better examples of more-or-less average Spanish women would be Carmen Maura and Soraya Saenz. Anyway, some Portuguese female MPs too: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?105318-Female-MPs-from-Lisbon-versus-female-MPs-from-Athens-compare-and-contrast

[Lábaru]

Actually, if you read what I said earlier, I made a point of saying she is NOT average, and that better examples of more-or-less average Spanish women would be Carmen Maura and Soraya Saenz. Anyway, some Portuguese female MPs too: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?105318-Female-MPs-from-Lisbon-versus-female-MPs-from-Athens-compare-and-contrast


I do not need your opinion, I live in Spain. I find it funny that you say that about my photos, beause you always post to Penelope Cruz and old politicians.

[Acrylic]

Try these then:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119121-Female-MPs-from-Catalonia-versus-female-MPs-from-Lombardy-compare-and-contrast
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119121-Female-MPs-from-Catalonia-versus-female-MPs-from-Lombardy-compare-and-contrast
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?122934-Sicilian-female-MPs-and-Andalusian-female-MPs-compare-and-contrast

I don't really think females in their 50's are a good representation of the average Spanish female as they could be cherry-picked too. I'm a bit curious about Iberian phenotypes cause I've seen so many differences in them.

I've seen cherry-picking on anthropology forums before and I could cherry-pick images of White Americans. Do you have any pictures of Spaniards from regular high school classrooms?

[Acrylic]

Some Spanish dude on another forum said Inma Cuesta looks like a typical Spanish female.

So who's bullshitting who here?

:D

[Lábaru]

Some Spanish dude on another forum said Inma Cuesta looks like a typical Spanish female.

So who's bullshitting who here?

:D


you are not very smart, are you?

[Guapo]

Some Spanish dude on another forum said Inma Cuesta looks like a typical Spanish female.

So who's bullshitting who here?

:D
Would fuck

http://static.cinemagia.ro/img/db/actor/11/92/75/inma-cuesta-370345l.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

On this old thread, I posted some staff and students from the University of Zaragoza, where I studied for a year as part of my Hispanic Studies degree: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?124042-Northern-and-Central-Spanish-(Galicia-Asturias-Aragon-etc-)-Where-do-they-pass-Vote-please!/page2

[Acrylic]

you are not very smart, are you?

What cause I don't believe a basketball team from Spain represents the average girl? Fuck no. That's like saying the average NBA team represents the average American male. I've seen way too many Iberian women in other pictures who look different than those women. On other sites, celebrities, etc.

How common is Rebecca Linares in Spain?

https://www.withfriendship.com/images/h/39513/natasha-nice-rebeca-linares.jpg

[Lábaru]

What cause I don't believe a basketball team from Spain represents the average girl? Fuck no. That's like saying the average NBA team represents the average American male. I've seen way too many Iberian women in other pictures who look different than those women. On other sites, celebrities, etc.

How common is Rebecca Linares in Spain?



I repeat, you are not very smart, right? because you quoted me with a question
and I answered you:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?8008-Spanish-Schools-human-variety

Or

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?37555-Cantabrian-Iberian-phenotypes/page7&highlight=cantabrians

so if you are interested lose a few minutes looking at the pictures of these two threads and stop asking stupid questions.

[Acrylic]

I repeat, you are not very smart, right? because you quoted me with a question
and I answered you:


so if you are interested lose a few minutes looking at the pictures of these two threads and stop asking stupid questions.

Damn son the Cantabrians thread is individually cherry-picked with images. I've seen way too many cherry-picking tactics on anthropology forums before tbh.

Even Estefan already said those links you're giving me are "plastered here and on other anthrofora all the time" -- I can cherry-pick White Americans.

I'm gonna have to go to Spain myself and see you guys truly -- or maybe I'll just ask AngloJew what you really look like, he'll tell me.

http://gallery.fanserviceftw.com/_images/fd828ac3ecf9961aad489258a9218e29/11514%20-%20animated_gif%20charlton_heston%20laughing%20pla net_of_the_apes%20reaction_image.gif

[Tooting Carmen]

Some group photos of (mostly) women from the Universidad Complutense de Madrid, where a friend of mine works:
http://www.madridsalud.es/noticias/img/foto_noticia_331_2.jpghttp://biblioteca.ucm.es/revcul/tribunacomplutense/adi1178.jpghttp://www.infocoponline.es/im/041111ucm.jpghttp://www.redheracles.net/media/upload/research/img/cache/researchgroupUCM1280143631700.jpghttp://pendientedemigracion.ucm.es/info/otri/cult_cient/infocientifica/imagenes/noti_sep_2010_03_02.jpghttp://estaticos04.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2013/06/02/madrid/1370171729_0.jpghttp://enfermeria.ucm.es/data/cont/media/www/pag-38843/_MG_0769.JPGhttp://historico.medicosypacientes.com/files/prensa/img/jornada_periodistas_informativa_g.jpghttps://www.ucm.es/data/cont/media/www/pag-56117/IMG_8737_2%20-%20copia.jpg

[Lábaru]

Damn son the Cantabrians thread is individually cherry-picked with images. I've seen way too many cherry-picking tactics on anthropology forums before tbh.

There are pictures of all the phisical variations of Spaniards, are normal people here, dressed with Celtic costumes, but I understand that you are not interested in this, your interest is Inma Cuesta or Rebeca Linares, therefore you or a troll or a stupid, what are you?


Even Estefan already said those links you're giving me are "plastered here and on other anthrofora all the time" -- I can cherry-pick White Americans.

Yes, I know, he is very useful helping trolls or stupid guys, right?




I'm gonna have to go to Spain myself and you guys truly -- or maybe I'll just ask AngloJew what you really look like, he'll tell me.



That will not help at all if you come to Spain, if you are a troll will be all a lie, if you're a stupid will not have enough intelligence to arrive here.

[Ouistreham]

if you are interested lose a few minutes looking at the pictures of these two threads

Thanks, that's interesting.
Those photos illustrate my point: young women with their hair naturally lighter than their eyes (and even eyebrows).
Like I said, I think that's a specifically Spanish (and feminine) phenomenon (at any rate more widespread there than anywhere else):

https://scontent-b-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/527228_487340154618013_1230564921_n.jpg?oh=06ef178 98d393d0bf4e571dd79f9d136&oe=548BFCFC
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10620092_10152648529116427_649733350016984407_o.jp g
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10517370_10152648529946427_2587425148788613677_o.j pg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10665120_10204788154486135_4138142144433109928_n.j pg?oh=5847d876a2722d38bfe8d77d62b2f076&oe=548FBDD7&__gda__=1418569274_6329a8f5da95c98b6de938db04e6583 5

[Lábaru]

Thanks, that's interesting.
Those photos illustrate my point: young women with their hair naturally lighter than their eyes (and even eyebrows).
Like I said, I think that's a specifically Spanish (and feminine) phenomenon (at any rate more widespread there than anywhere else):

https://scontent-b-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/527228_487340154618013_1230564921_n.jpg?oh=06ef178 98d393d0bf4e571dd79f9d136&oe=548BFCFC
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10620092_10152648529116427_649733350016984407_o.jp g
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10517370_10152648529946427_2587425148788613677_o.j pg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10665120_10204788154486135_4138142144433109928_n.j pg?oh=5847d876a2722d38bfe8d77d62b2f076&oe=548FBDD7&__gda__=1418569274_6329a8f5da95c98b6de938db04e6583 5


Is because the sun radiation, in Spain solar radiation is very high, the Cantabrian wars are held the last days of August when the sun is strongest, hair bleaching effect of the sun is more visible on women because the long hair.

[guyinsf]

Ask a Spanish, Portuguese or someone from southern France, the other opinions are worthless

You need to get off your high horse!
No one needs to be from any region to be an expert of that region, you just need to be fairly educated and have significant exposure to that region.
If anything lots of natives can overlook things where they live but a foreigner or traveler might be more perceptive when they're in that region because they are there to learn and soak things in.

[Lábaru]

You need to get off your high horse!
No one needs to be from any region to be an expert of that region, you just need to be fairly educated and have significant exposure to that region.
If anything lots of natives can overlook things where they live but a foreigner or traveler might be more perceptive when they're in that region because they are there to learn and soak things in.

you Americans have a reputation for being very ignorant about the rest of the world, some of you certainly fit the stereotype, if you one day travel to Spain, buy a shirt and a couple of souvenirs, but do not pretend to know the country like me.

[Bloody]

Dark brown hair mainly, such as this:
http://www.sabc.co.za/wps/wcm/connect/887b50004bc0e270a27da75d3fa648ac/iker-casillas(R).jpg?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=887b50004bc0e270a27da75d3fa648achttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2010/324x324/98953.jpghttp://www.footballzz.com/img/geral/79787_ori_.jpghttp://cdn.controlinveste.pt/storage/DN/2011/big/ng1672669.JPGhttp://cdn.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Yoann-Gourcuff.jpghttp://www.planetepsg.com/divers/0514124558.jpg

All those hairs are black there is nothing brown about those hair colors. Perhaps not blue bleack or jet black but definitely standard black hair for caucasians.


dark brown hair is more like this (in indoors lighting)

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/10900000/Fernando-alonso-_-fernando-alonso-10962098-1024-737.jpg

Which looks like this in outdoors:
http://www.articulosweb.net/blog/wp-content/gallery/fernando-alonso_2/fernando-alonso-9.jpg
And looks like this in direct sunlight:
http://img01.lavanguardia.com/2012/09/09/GP-de-Italia-Fernando-Alonso-p_54347478360_54028874188_960_639.jpg

[Bloody]

Okay, so for females, let me show you my perception on hair color...

Black

http://i.imgur.com/SqKHgXB.jpg

Jet black

http://img004.lazygirls.info/people/antoinette_kalaj/antoinette_kalaj_1130764_3_cGdyAJf.sized.jpg

Blueish Jet black

http://www.latesttrendsz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Hairstyles-14.jpg

What % of Iberian/French females fall into the light black/dark black spectrum or just inbetween.

Fixed..... there is no way the first woman has dark brown hair, Its just as black as it get.

[Anthropologique]

What a moronic thread. True black hair is rare in Iberia or anywhere else in Western Europe. Really, who cares?

[Lábaru]

All those hairs are black there is nothing brown about those hair colors. Perhaps not blue bleack or jet black but definitely standard black hair for caucasians.


dark brown hair is more like this (in indoors lighting)

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/10900000/Fernando-alonso-_-fernando-alonso-10962098-1024-737.jpg

Which looks like this in outdoors:
http://www.articulosweb.net/blog/wp-content/gallery/fernando-alonso_2/fernando-alonso-9.jpg
And looks like this in direct sunlight:
http://img01.lavanguardia.com/2012/09/09/GP-de-Italia-Fernando-Alonso-p_54347478360_54028874188_960_639.jpg

I agree but then Iker Casillas is dark brown for you, not black.
http://www.hola.com/imagenes/noticias-de-actualidad/2010/09/13/iker-casillas.jpg
http://www.periodistadigital.com/imagenes/2014/05/06/iker-casillas.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-deapFYhY7-U/Tzr2xAz417I/AAAAAAAAETU/K94GwpLbKSs/s1600/Iker%20Casillas%202012.png

[Bloody]

I agree but then Iker Casillas is dark brown for you, not black.
http://www.hola.com/imagenes/noticias-de-actualidad/2010/09/13/iker-casillas.jpg
http://www.periodistadigital.com/imagenes/2014/05/06/iker-casillas.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-deapFYhY7-U/Tzr2xAz417I/AAAAAAAAETU/K94GwpLbKSs/s1600/Iker%20Casillas%202012.png

I was about to write the same Casillas has dark brown hair definitely, he only was using gel or had his hair wet in the picture.

Darkbrown hair: Iker Casillas, Fernando Alonso, Roger Federer.

Black hair: dime a dozen in europe especially in Portugal, spain, italy, greece, france, Ireland, UK, Bulgaria, Serbia, croatia, Bosnia, Albania,Montenegro, Romania.

British golf player rory Mcilroy has very black hair


http://www.golfdigest.com/images/golfworld/2012-09/gwar_rory_mcilroy_0904.jpg

[Anthropologique]

Damn son the Cantabrians thread is individually cherry-picked with images. I've seen way too many cherry-picking tactics on anthropology forums before tbh.

Even Estefan already said those links you're giving me are "plastered here and on other anthrofora all the time" -- I can cherry-pick White Americans.

I'm gonna have to go to Spain myself and see you guys truly -- or maybe I'll just ask AngloJew what you really look like, he'll tell me.

http://gallery.fanserviceftw.com/_images/fd828ac3ecf9961aad489258a9218e29/11514%20-%20animated_gif%20charlton_heston%20laughing%20pla net_of_the_apes%20reaction_image.gif

I can assure you average Spaniards - all Iberians - clearly fit comfortably in the range of Labaru's pics. No cherry picking to speak of. I could post literally
thousands of group and crowd frames from Spain and Portugal and the people will look virtually the same as those on this thread. Amateur "anthro" fora are pathetic, filled with uninformed types, sociopaths and overall delusional thinking.

[caviezel]

burakku hairu!

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmg1aqEksE1qkfbu1o1_500.jpg

[caviezel]

thumbs up if you like women with bowl cuts

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/ba/b2/a1bab2b00b038d6645ff0c21210cdaf9.jpg

[guyinsf]

you Americans have a reputation for being very ignorant about the rest of the world, some of you certainly fit the stereotype, if you one day travel to Spain, buy a shirt and a couple of souvenirs, but do not pretend to know the country like me.

Whenever you disagree with an american you bring that "americans are arrogant and ignorant" crap up. I think you are full of BS just like those Americans you criticize. If we were talking bout temperament of the people then I would completely agree with you, only a Spaniard can truly know what other Spaniards are like in the head but we are not talking about that, we are merely discussing phenotypes which is a visual thing that anyone can pick up. A British couple who live in southern france for a while can tell you what French people look like as much as any french person and this is not any different anywhere else so your notion that only a Spaniard from a certain region can tell what you other spaniards from that region look like and everyone else's opinion is completely worthless is a bunch of BS to me.

[Ianus]

Spanish: 20-30%

French:10-15%

[Lábaru]

Whenever you disagree with an american you bring that "americans are arrogant and ignorant" crap up. I think you are full of BS just like those Americans you criticize. If we were talking bout temperament of the people then I would completely agree with you, only a Spaniard can truly know what other Spaniards are like in the head but we are not talking about that, we are merely discussing phenotypes which is a visual thing that anyone can pick up. A British couple who live in southern france for a while can tell you what French people look like as much as any french person and this is not any different anywhere else so your notion that only a Spaniard from a certain region can tell what you other spaniards from that region look like and everyone else's opinion is completely worthless is a bunch of BS to me.


Only a colonial, with the mind confused, with a lack of ethnic and racial identity, can argue that a couple of tourists can know so well the phenotypes of a foreign country as the autochthonous people of that country, I know a thousand of faces that you never will see in your life and that are specific to Iberia.

Look my thread--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?37555-Cantabrian-Iberian-phenotypes&p=3047240#post3047240 as an American you are, probably you have not seen in your life many of those faces, and probably if you saw them walking on your street you would not think they are Spanish.

Know your limitations, American, I am not trying to know as well as you the thousands of phenotypic variations that exist in your American state.

[Brighton]

Even lighter black is still black, you don't need dark black hair to be considered having 'black hair' or 'true black hair'.

So take in consideration various shades of black.

Shades of Black? I thought Black was the absolute absence of light??

[guyinsf]

Only a colonial, with the mind confused, with a lack of ethnic and racial identity, can argue that a couple of tourists can know so well the phenotypes of a foreign country as the autochthonous people of that country, I know a thousand of faces that you never will see in your life and that are specific to Iberia.

Look my thread--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?37555-Cantabrian-Iberian-phenotypes&p=3047240#post3047240 as an American you are, probably you have not seen in your life many of those faces, and probably if you saw them walking on your street you would not think they are Spanish.

Know your limitations, American, I am not trying to know as well as you the thousands of phenotypic variations that exist in your American state.

Maybe you're talking about fleeting tourists but I wasn't. The example I gave was a British couple who actually live in the region, not tourists who spend 7 days there. I talking about foreigners who live in a certain region for while who have cultural and anthropological interest in that region and can certainly come up with educated, thoughtful, accurate analysis of the natives of that region. If we go by what you said about only natives of a certain region count when it comes to classifying people then any thread on this forum should only be limited to people of that region, so in this case only Spaniards and french people can chime in and fuck everyone else.

[borNomir]

Maybe you're talking about fleeting tourists but I wasn't. The example I gave was a British couple who actually live in the region, not tourists who spend 7 days there. I talking about foreigners who live in a certain region for while who have cultural and anthropological interest in that region and can certainly come up with educated, thoughtful, accurate analysis of the natives of that region. If we go by what you said about only natives of a certain region count when it comes to classifying people then any thread on this forum should only be limited to people of that region, so in this case only Spaniards and french people can chime in and fuck everyone else.


The average Iberian faces (from all regions) is a misture Of Miguel Angel munoz and Pepe Reina or David Villa for the males and Manuela Velasco and Soraya Saenz de santamaria for the females (google this names if you don’t already know them)…. anyway If somebody wanna know the truth is necessary to get away from internet forums mate, they are all filled with a bunch of self-hating fool with an inferiority complex towards other mediterranean people and celtic wannabes who try to show with cherrypicked photo that the Spanish/Portuguese are different from what they really are (a berid- mesolithic western mediterraneans population with a light nordic superstratum imported by celts), and not an Atlantic (??? who are they lol) population with few mediterranean infiltration. Don’t believe this people man, their only task is to proselytize.

We can believe all the serious and worldwide knowed anthropologist like Grant, Coon, Riplay and many others that to the unanimity included Iberians as mediterranean-southern Europid race, and no one admitted the existence of an Atlantic sub-race in the first place, but only a nordic, alpinid and mediterranean one with some variations obviously….. or we can believe some internet lunatics with a political-ideological agenda like anthropatologique with biased fake studies that nobody know.
Keep your mind free from this fraud people and their lies, really, Iberians aren’t an atlantic population because an Atlantic brotherhood doesn’t exist!!! They are an isolated west mediterranean population and the only foreigners they resembles are sardinians and central-north Italians. Forget some random light individuals that can be found everywhere in south Europe
If you go on Italic roots, which is obviously a reply-born troll forum but anyway you can see a more realistic spectrum of their phenotypes that here, they are not so homogeneously white as they wanna try to show here…. Easy to say: the nordic looking minorities are full spaniards and the mestizos looking minorities are immigrants LOOL, Immigrants my ass !!!

[Anthropologique]

The average Iberian faces (from all regions) is a misture Of Miguel Angel munoz and Pepe Reina or David Villa for the males and Manuela Velasco and Soraya Saenz de santamaria for the females (google this names if you don’t already know them)…. anyway If somebody wanna know the truth is necessary to get away from internet forums mate, they are all filled with a bunch of self-hating fool with an inferiority complex towards other mediterranean people and celtic wannabes who try to show with cherrypicked photo that the Spanish/Portuguese are different from what they really are (a berid- mesolithic western mediterraneans population with a light nordic superstratum imported by celts), and not an Atlantic (??? who are they lol) population with few mediterranean infiltration. Don’t believe this people man, their only task is to proselytize.

We can believe all the serious and worldwide knowed anthropologist like Grant, Coon, Riplay and many others that to the unanimity included Iberians as mediterranean-southern Europid race, and no one admitted the existence of an Atlantic sub-race in the first place, but only a nordic, alpinid and mediterranean one with some variations obviously….. or we can believe some internet lunatics with a political-ideological agenda like anthropatologique with biased fake studies that nobody know.
Keep your mind free from this fraud people and their lies, really, Iberians aren’t an atlantic population because an Atlantic brotherhood doesn’t exist!!! They are an isolated west mediterranean population and the only foreigners they resembles are sardinians and central-north Italians. Forget some random light individuals that can be found everywhere in south Europe
If you go on Italic roots, which is obviously a reply-born troll forum but anyway you can see a more realistic spectrum of their phenotypes that here, they are not so homogeneously white as they wanna try to show here…. Easy to say: the nordic looking minorities are full spaniards and the mestizos looking minorities are immigrants LOOL, Immigrants my ass !!!

More codswallop. Yeah, sure, thousands of group photos are cherry picked. Get some psychological help.

Serious anthropologists? LMAO.! Coon was a racist fraud who used dubious anecdotal sources for much of the garbage that he wrote. You're an insecure troll.

[Anthropologique]

For all the racially insecure clowns who live in the Land of the Lost when it comes to Iberians. Thousands more crowd and group photos of NATIVE Spaniards and Portuguese like those below can be easily found anywhere on the web.

Genetics and history clearly show Iberians are primarily an Atlantic Celtic people with a significant West Med minority. Anything suggesting otherwise is plain nonsense.

[alnortedelsur]

The fact it's an old map makes it even more trustworthy if anything.

LOL According to that map, all Portugal, more than half of Spain, southernmost Italy, Greece, and coastal parts of Bulgaria and Romania are on the same level, regarding hair and eye pigmentation, as North-Africa and the Middle East :lol:

And aside from that, Iberians (from any region) are NO WAY the darkest Europeans.

That map is bull shit.

[alnortedelsur]

I too think you shouldn't group Iberians and French.
Specially regarding pigmentation there will be big differences.

LOL France is NOT Scandinavia, and Spain and Portugal are NOT Morocco.

Pigmentation differences between Iberians and French/Central Europeans are NOT that big as day and night, as you claim.

Stop proclaiming that Iberians, as human group, are particularly dark and exotic, compared to the rest of Europe.

[alnortedelsur]

I know you prefer to penelope cruz full of makeup, Colombian.

Even a lot of Colombian castizo/as from the Colombian Andean highlands (where about 70 of the Colombian population lives) are lighter than Penelope Cruz with the Hollywood makeup.

Hollywood pretend this way, to portray Spaniards as even darker and more exotic than Latin American castizos. Like some kind of gypsy-looking, or dark pseudo-arabian looking people :lol:

[observo]

Dark brown hair mainly, such as this:
http://www.sabc.co.za/wps/wcm/connect/887b50004bc0e270a27da75d3fa648ac/iker-casillas(R).jpg?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=887b50004bc0e270a27da75d3fa648achttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2010/324x324/98953.jpghttp://www.footballzz.com/img/geral/79787_ori_.jpghttp://cdn.controlinveste.pt/storage/DN/2011/big/ng1672669.JPGhttp://cdn.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Yoann-Gourcuff.jpghttp://www.planetepsg.com/divers/0514124558.jpg

Pictures are tricky, you have to know a lot the person, because pictures fool

Casillas has brown reddish hair

http://telecincostatic-a.akamaihd.net/eurocopa/Iker-Casillas-Xavi-Hernandez_MDSIMA20120905_0169_4.jpg

http://img.irtve.es/v/1563103/

http://estaticos04.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/imagenes/2010/10/26/futbol/1288080644_1.jpg


For pure black hair: Xavi, Guardiola, Busquets.... Sergio Dalma, it's quite rare

http://blogs.elcorreo.com/musica-callada/files/2012/09/DALMA.jpg

[observo]

Also, there are 2 kinds of black hair. Pure black hair is common among Latin Americans, sometimes very bright

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Radamel+Falcao+FIFA+Ballon+Gala+2012+MKyo696Mi0Nx. jpg

if you are not face to face you can get confused with the shades: very dark brown (Javi Martinez), Spanish black hair (Xavi), and extreme black hair (Latin America)

[Rudel]

In the French, dark brown is common, and brown is the majority. Black hair is very rare.

[Tooting Carmen]

In the French, dark brown is common, and brown is the majority. Black hair is very rare.

Very rare???

[observo]

In the French, dark brown is common, and brown is the majority. Black hair is very rare.

I saw Yoann Gourcuff in the last page. A person post him like him having black hair. He has no way black hair. Pictures are tricky. You can't google a person and just put it. This is Gourcuff, he has brown hair, and if you see him face to face you realize

But in some pictures with wet hair and in pictures normally pictures really darken a person

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lal6q0PIMw1qcw27l.jpg
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/15600000/TOOOOOOOOOO-NICE-yoann-gourcuff-15668333-500-416.jpg
https://footbol69.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gourcuff2.jpg

you can't find pictures of Xavi Hernández looking like that because his hair is black

[Rudel]

Very rare???
Yes, actual black hair as opposed to a dark hue of brown is very rare. Not completely marginal like say blonde people in Pakistan, but still. I'd say <10%.


This is Gourcuff, he has brown hair, and if you see him face to face you realize
I have the same hair, even down to the texture. It's by far the most common among the French.

[ÁGUIA]

Black hair is rare ,a lot of people mistakes dark brown with black hair

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes, actual black hair as opposed to a dark hue of brown is very rare. Not completely marginal like say blonde people in Pakistan, but still. I'd say <10%.

How common are these phenotypes in France then? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?141203-Do-Mediterranean-phenotypes-in-France-look-more-Spanish-or-more-Italian

[observo]

How common are these phenotypes in France then? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?141203-Do-Mediterranean-phenotypes-in-France-look-more-Spanish-or-more-Italian
In those pictures there appears Gourcuff, the guy I put some pics above this post. It's a wrong picture to show there

[The Philosopher]

The black hair has very few people. It is usually brown in different shades of color...

The percentage would be Spain 75% brown/black, 20% to blond and 5% red

[Rudel]

How common are these phenotypes in France then? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?141203-Do-Mediterranean-phenotypes-in-France-look-more-Spanish-or-more-Italian
Most are very common, part of everyday normality (expect outright weirdos like Clément Grenier or out of the ordinary robust men like Chabal). There's an ancient and deep rooted Mediterranean stem in France, that's in large part Hibero-Gallic (although each country is strongly individualized by its own specific admixture and demographic history).

[observo]

I consider my hair as "black hair" and it's not that common. My shade is the last one before technically pure black hair. Technically my hair is a very dark dark brown. The next shade is pure black hair as Busquets or Nesta. My hair is a little more common in Italy

[Journeyman26]

I would consider my hair black. It is dark chestnut, but only looks brown in the light. By European standards it is essentially black, so when I refer to my hair it is black.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=56562&d=1428442058

[alnortedelsur]

The black hair has very few people. It is usually brown in different shades of color...

The percentage would be Spain 75% brown/black, 20% to blond and 5% red

If we consider some degree of redness without being totally ginger (like having reddish flashes, and things like that), I would say about 7%; but if we talk about ginger propers, I don't think that truly redhead Spaniards are as much as 5%. Maybe 3% or something like that. Nonetheless, I am sure that Iberians have more gingers, percentage wise, than other southern Europeans.

[The Philosopher]

If we consider some degree of redness without being totally ginger (like having reddish flashes, and things like that), I would say about 7%; but if we talk about ginger propers, I don't think that truly redhead Spaniards are as much as 5%. Maybe 3% or something like that. Nonetheless, I am sure that Iberians have more gingers, percentage wise, than other southern Europeans.

I agree with your comment

[observo]

I would consider my hair black. It is dark chestnut, but only looks brown in the light. By European standards it is essentially black, so when I refer to my hair it is black.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=56562&d=1428442058

I would call a shade of brown, it must be typical dark brown, my hair not even in the light would never look like that

[observo]

And I don't think that females have lighter hair than males. That is a lie!!!. Over 80% of adult women dye her hair. Many of them since childhood

In Sweden guys usually don't dye his hair (just a few % of guys, and most girls are dying her hair because they want it lighter)

[SwampThing26]

I would consider my hair black. It is dark chestnut, but only looks brown in the light. By European standards it is essentially black, so when I refer to my hair it is black.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=56562&d=1428442058

I think your hair is dark brown. essentially the same color as mine.

[Bloody]

Lots of French and specially Iberians do have black hair, however the black/very dark brown hair color is also quite common among people of balkan and British/Irish heritage.

[Bloody]

The black hair has very few people. It is usually brown in different shades of color...

The percentage would be Spain 75% brown/black, 20% to blond and 5% red

20% of blond in spain? not a chance... 20% of mainly Lightbrown/dirty blond combined.. possibly..

Blond hair in southern europe ranges between 5-10%, and Its rarely any lighter than dark blonde, unless we are talking about children.

[observo]

20% of blond in spain? not a chance... 20% of mainly Lightbrown/dirty blond combined.. possibly..

Blond hair in southern europe ranges between 5-10%, and Its rarely any lighter than dark blonde, unless we are talking about children.
well, actually we all can't agree about shades of color. What I see as medium dark brown can be seen as black for other person. Djokovic has the last shade of brown, but no way Raul Gonzalez can compete with him, he can't be considered as the typical " black hair". For me he is a medium dark brown, and Van Nistelrooy more of darker and proper dark brown. Daniel Radcliffe has brown hair, away to dark brown. But Harry Potter movies have no light. Nadal to my eyes is just plain brown hair, although other people can see him as dark brown, and the same in blondes. Seeing Pique face to face to my eyes is a shade of dark blonde, but with wet hair and for other people can be light brown. And also, girls are all dyed!!

[Bloody]

well, actually we all can't agree about shades of color. What I see as medium dark brown can be seen as black for other person. Djokovic has the last shade of brown, but no way Raul Gonzalez can compete with him, he can't be considered as the typical " black hair". For me he is a medium dark brown, and Van Nistelrooy more of darker and proper dark brown. Daniel Radcliffe has brown hair, away to dark brown. But Harry Potter movies have no light. Nadal to my eyes is just plain brown hair, although other people can see him as dark brown, and the same in blondes. Seeing Pique face to face to my eyes is a shade of dark blonde, but with wet hair and for other people can be light brown. And also, girls are all dyed!!

danniel radcliffe = dark brown(auburn) hair
raul gonzalez = black hair
Djokovic = black hair
van nistelrooy = Dark brown/black hair.
gerard pique = medium brown hair with some lighter brown highlights.
Rafael nadal = dark brown which can appears medium brown which higher light exposition.

[Damião de Góis]

It's kind of difficult to find black hair. Maybe this comes close:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZSllXV-J970/S-REE5QyvpI/AAAAAAAAAb8/rsR7aVK3JxQ/s1600/123.JPG

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

A good amount I would say.

[SupaThug]

As everyone said,true black hair is rare,but my family is full of people with pitch black hair(my dad's case) and almost black hair(my case,if I tell people my hair is a very dark shade of brown they laugh at me),but I consider it to be black!

[observo]

As everyone said,true black hair is rare,but my family is full of people with pitch black hair(my dad's case) and almost black hair(my case,if I tell people my hair is a very dark shade of brown they laugh at me),but I consider it to be black!
Yes, my dad is jet black hair and I have the last shade of brown. I have the hair like Djokovic, I consider myself "black" too. My Latin friends of pure brilliant jet black hair tell me that my hair is dark brown anyway. But pictures are difficult to guess the shade. In my pictures I appear pure black, that's why I say it.

[observo]

danniel radcliffe = dark brown(auburn) hair
raul gonzalez = black hair
Djokovic = black hair
van nistelrooy = Dark brown/black hair.
gerard pique = medium brown hair with some lighter brown highlights.
Rafael nadal = dark brown which can appears medium brown which higher light exposition.
I don't know If Raul uses some dye from time to time, and he appears like black because he normally has wet hair, but he has dark brown hair and sometimes chestnut brown tips

https://danisteb.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/rac3bal-gonzc3a1lez.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Raul_2011-08-03-2.jpg
Daniel Radcliffe uses some dye nowadays, as a kid he was darker

[Visage pâle]

Black hair has blue glint in the light, it's non european.

[Valmont]

Here are a few example of French women with black hair but their dye it. They have dark brown hair

http://www.nolwenn.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nowennushd.jpg

http://www.notrecinema.com/images/stars/cache/virginie-ledoyen-wallpaper_6496_26222.jpg (This one has Spanish ancestry)

The only women with actual black hair I can think of are French born Portuguese actress Barbara Caprita and Audrey Tautou

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/1926328/968full-barbara-cabrita.jpg

http://www.polyglotnerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Audrey-Tautou-015.jpg

[gamusino]

Raul black hair?????? :picard2:

http://media2.theranking.com/card/194458/image/597e344a8e5df09228e0ac2720c9cb6d/resize_image.jpg

[Visage pâle]

Dark brown hair in sunlight http://www.besthairstyles2013.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/4-Messi_hairstyles.jpg

Black is completely different.

[Septentrion]

Yes, I'm completely aware of this, but I've noticed amongst Iberian Men it's quite common for black hair, but not Iberian women. I was just a bit curious about the French too.

Generally women are slightly lighter-haired than men, but not lighter-eyed. Approximately 27% of Iberian women are black-haired. French people are generally not black-haired, rather brown-haired (medium to dark brown). The frequency of black hair amongst French women is definitely not more than 9%! However in Southern France, it is higher than 10%. The fact is that they are nowhere close to Spaniards, it is as the Pyrenees mountains played a role as a barrier.

[Septentrion]

Here are a few example of French women with black hair but their dye it. They have dark brown hair

http://www.nolwenn.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nowennushd.jpg

http://www.notrecinema.com/images/stars/cache/virginie-ledoyen-wallpaper_6496_26222.jpg (This one has Spanish ancestry)

The only women with actual black hair I can think of are French born Portuguese actress Barbara Caprita and Audrey Tautou

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/1926328/968full-barbara-cabrita.jpg

http://www.polyglotnerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Audrey-Tautou-015.jpg


They are so beautiful, with that pure black hair! Wow!

[Septentrion]

The black hair has very few people. It is usually brown in different shades of color...

The percentage would be Spain 75% brown/black, 20% to blond and 5% red

20% blond-haired? Are you O.K.? It is 1.5% red, 9.5% blonde, 29% black, 60% brown (light to dark).

[Septentrion]

I agree that true black hair is a minority, but not that uncommon. Furthermore, dark brown hair is the most common hair colour for both sexes in Iberia and Southern France (Northern France would have more light brown hair, as in Britain).

France is lighter-haired than Spain and Britain is lighter-haired than France. Northern France is much more similar to adjacent parts of Germany, Switzerland and Belgium than it is to Britain. Britain is an island. Insular Germanic and Celtic populations of Britain also have a much higher frequency of light eyes than France.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Black hair is very uncommon among Spaniards, don't mistake very dark brown with black. I know Spaniards with true black hair and it's characteristical they start to grow the first white hairs very soon, at their 20s.

I'm curious on that, why do Spaniards with Black hair "grey so early"?