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Grumpy Cat
03-25-2010, 06:24 AM
Some claim this is how the American Indians got their revenge on the white man for introducing alcohol to their populations.

I found this interesting article:

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/reprint/165/9/1089.pdf

Anyone know more about this?

Electronic God-Man
03-25-2010, 06:29 AM
pff. Thanks for the cigs, redman. Have a swig of my firewater. :thumb001:

Grumpy Cat
03-25-2010, 06:37 AM
I remember reading a study on smoking habits by race in the US and it claimed that minorities who were smokers smoked fewer cigarettes on average than whites. I read it in a magazine. I should find try to that article online. It was interesting.

Edit here's some articles:

Waiting to Exhale: More White Teenagers Smoke Than Blacks (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-16868732.html)


Smoking Cessation Factors Among African-Americans and Whites (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-16868732.html)

Smoking Patterns in African-Americans and Whites (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/467018_3)

Radojica
03-25-2010, 08:55 AM
Cool, it would be nice to be like that. I only wonder, what kind of revenge white men from Serbia is going to have for smoking of depleted uranium :D?

Treffie
03-25-2010, 10:01 AM
As a side, scientists are starting to think that bees have a nicotine/caffeine dependency (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100210101504.htm)

Electronic God-Man
03-26-2010, 08:14 AM
Europeans seem to be more resilient to all sorts of horrible toxins.

Maybe we take in more of these things because they make us less sick than others...even though it will ultimately lead to problems.

PS. Filth and bubonic plague FTW!

Tabiti
03-26-2010, 09:16 AM
I guess smoking is not connected with race, but with culture and social status. For example, Bulgaria and Greece are around the top of most smoking nations in the world.
Gypsies smoke since kids and I guess their smoking rate is similar with ours. Turks usually don't smoke that much, because of the religion, especially those in villages.

Arne
03-26-2010, 09:21 AM
I guess smoking is not connected with race, but with culture and social status. For example, Bulgaria and Greece are around the top of most smoking nations in the world.
Gypsies smoke since kids and I guess their smoking rate is similar with ours. Turks usually don't smoke that much, because of the religion, especially those in villages.

You would wonder HOW many changed their view about that after immigrating to germany.

Tabiti
03-26-2010, 09:27 AM
You would wonder HOW many changed their view about that after immigrating to germany.
You mean turks? Even after migrating into larger city they easily become more degenerated than us. Even eat pork:p

Arne
03-26-2010, 11:15 AM
Yes,of Course.. Turks.

Don
03-26-2010, 02:43 PM
Well, this is an interesting subject, tabú since racial critic differences are involved.

In the matter are involved the enzimes, as lactasa and Deshidrogenasa (spanish).
European population have been exposed to non processed (non fermented mainly) milk in adult stages as well to exposed to alcohol in critic episodes of the vital life (read here previous copulation or previous battle).

Alcohol exposure has been a constant in europeans.

We will understand easily that the less adapted (read here: the individual with less amount of the specific enzyme to "deal" with the alcohol, for example) had less success in the sexual relation after drinking lots of alcohol in the solstice party in a celtiberian tribe (as european example) or would have his motricity enough afected in a violent confrontation that would impede of difficult the survival. (selective breed).

The same happens with the adults with tolerance to the lactose (presence in adult stages of lactase enzyme, only produced in early stages except mutations). They would have extra amount of decisive nutrients.

So, the alcoholism seems to be more common in europeans than in asiatic, for example, because the major presence of deshidrogenasa among the first, would act as a "shield" that will hide the nocive effects of alcohol until reaching critical stages of dependence.

It's quite easy see this example among southamericans, whose tolerance or "mal beber" ("bad drinking" -losing easily control and massive behaviour consequences with low amount of alcohol, related to low presence of deshidrogenasa-) can be easily related to the amerindian phenotype.

Lulletje Rozewater
03-27-2010, 11:55 AM
Some claim this is how the American Indians got their revenge on the white man for introducing alcohol to their populations.

I found this interesting article:

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/reprint/165/9/1089.pdf

Anyone know more about this?

Look at these figures in America.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Cigarette_Smoking.asp

Spiderman
03-27-2010, 12:41 PM
Europeans are not bad compared to Asians. In my travels, I have seen people [typically of the C YdNa genotype from southern asia] almost chain smoke if they can afford it. It reminded me of references in literature to the pervasiveness of "opium dens" in asian communities around the turn of the previous century.

ricko0812
04-03-2012, 12:36 PM
In the United States it also depends on the area because in my home state tobacco is very cheap compared to some parts of the country due to my state being very pro-tobacco. I have worked in tobacco fields before and it is very hard work.

Hurrem sultana
04-03-2012, 12:38 PM
pff. Thanks for the cigs, redman. Have a swig of my firewater. :thumb001:

thanks for the lung cancer


yeah..pff

arcticwolf
04-03-2012, 01:56 PM
thanks for the lung cancer


yeah..pff

Sis, are you one of the health nuts? ;) What's the point of dying healthy? :D

Damião de Góis
04-03-2012, 02:00 PM
I have this on my 23andme:

AG - In Europeans who smoke, likely to smoke one more cigarette per day on average than the typical amount.

But it's not really true.

Pallantides
04-04-2012, 04:06 PM
Me:

Smoking Behavior

AA In Europeans who smoke, likely to smoke two more cigarettes per day on average than the typical amount.


Nicotine Dependence

AA Slightly higher odds of nicotine dependence.

Mortimer
04-09-2012, 11:55 AM
im prone to nicotine abuse, even written in my 23andMe health profile "if smoker likely smokes more"....

Scrapple
04-09-2012, 01:57 PM
AG In Europeans who smoke, likely to smoke one more cigarette per day on average than the typical amount.

I used to only smoke when I drank before it was banned in bars but never otherwise.