The state of the modern Family.

[Revenant]

I was wondering what the other posters around here think about the state of the family unit in their respective nations.

The traditional family unit what I would describe as Mum, Dad (married) and kids.

Is the family unit broken in your country?

Is your nation one where the traditional family is thriving and resisting the current social trend of family breakdown that is obviously endemic in most "Western" countries.

What do you think of the social repercussions' of the absence of a traditional, normal family unit?.

Are you happy with the state of the modern family, the single parent, blended or fag family doesn't bother you at all and you think it's a good thing for society/your country as a whole that these types of so-called family are currently mainstreaming?.

Perhaps you have a different take or point of view on this altogether?.

[TheGreatest]

I think the change started with the nuclear family. I think with two parents, if both of them end up being weak and pathetic, than the child does not get proper upbringing and support.
In contrast to an extended family, you would in theory have at least one sane Uncle/Aunt or a Grandparent.



Italians are commonly noted as a nationalistic people. They live in traditional families. Grandma Brusscolini will beat the **** out of the younglings if they brought an Ape home :)


I imagined if Americans had kept the extended family, I think the rate of interracial marriage would be a lot less than today.

[Oresai]

Generally, yes, the traditional family unit is broken in the UK. :(
I see many single parent families, but recognise that not every marriage can work out and since I don`t know the personal circumstances behind each one, I reserve judgement.
However, what I don`t like are the huge and growing number of very young girls with a brood of children and no fathers.
Britain is shamefully, among the highest provider of teen pregnancies in Europe.
When I was younger (I`m 47 now) a friend at school, only 14, got pregnant, and the scandal was shocking! It was hushed up and she wasn`t allowed to keep the child. This, I don`t particularly agree with, believing that if you birth a child, you should bloody well raise it!
But now it`s almost a mark of `honour` for girls to get pregnant, get the state housing and benefits, and somehow, they manage to pay for childminders so they can continue to go out clubbing, getting caught again.
I raised my children within my marriage..it was an abusive one and I only left, after 14 years, when he threatened to kill me (and not joking) and then the children, so had no choice. I`m a realist who KNOWS that often the traditional family simply does not work. But I stuck it out as long as was safe and reasonable.
I do, though, believe folks enter marriage too lightly. Far from being a lifetime commitment, it`s seen as `an event`, splurging obscene amounts of money on weddings that are as high profile as they can make them, even getting into debt for it. All for show.
And divorce is too easy. Growing up, and in my parents generation, folks didn`t divorce at the first hurdle, but struggled hard to make it work, and there was shame attached to failed marriages.
Now, with celebrities as a youth role model, they marry, sometimes even for a few days (Britney nobrain Spears anyone?) divorce, marry, divorce, and so on...accruing settlements and engagement rings like investment bankers.
As for same sex families..I do NOT believe they should be allowed to adopt, foster or otherwise have children. This is a personal opinion based on my view that children thrive best when raised with two stable gender role models.
Repercussions? Well, and this has nothing to do with religious morals, I think the country`s moral and values have gone the way of the dodo, sadly. :(
At the core of any society should be the family unit, that which keeps us safe and allows us to grow, to learn, to know how to be, in society at large. I realise that is idealistic but for every failed family, there are plenty that worked just fine. :)
I think society has essentially become a free for all, dysfunctional, and is on a self destruct course. Maybe that isnt a bad thing, because afterwards, we can begin to rebuild.

[HawkR]

My parents are divorced, and I can say I have had any problems because of it, but it's truly sad. A family consist of a mother, father and children, not father, father adoptove children or anything like that. I hate gays, dykes and so on, it ain't natural to like someone of the same sex.

I for an example, ain't gonna marry someone I can't truly see a long future with, and I ain't gonna have some kids before I marry(somehow many people say this but it doesn't allways goes according to plan:p). And I'll marry ONCE! If a marrige ends, a marrige ends.

[TheGreatest]

Myself I don't like how the idea of romance has been totally hijacked and twisted. I can't compete with those men in the movies.


Both sexes have unreasonable expectations. Men want their women to be porn stars. And women want me to be some kind of character ripped straight from a romance novel. Reminds me of a cousin of mine who felt that way about man, and once the biological alarm was ringing full blast, she married the nearest slob because she wanted children before it was ''too late''.
If she only had settled for a man much sooner.


Sometimes I get the feeling that I was born a century too late

[HawkR]

I was born a millenia to late:p But yeah, he expectations are way to high, when will people understand that is is the inside which count:)

[Oresai]

Both sexes have unreasonable expectations. Men want their women to be porn stars. And women want me to be some kind of character ripped straight from a romance novel.

Well said! Gods, I did despair with the advent of eighties `new man`, lauded because he could change a nappy and cry at the drop of a hat!
There`s no disputing men are emotional creatures too, but I have to be honest, I`m a traditionalist..prefer strong men, and traditional role models.
I do often feel sorry for men...if they behave with chivalry towards women they are often mislabelled sexist, but if they expect women to be left to be just as they are, they are castigated for not caring or wanting `ballbreakers`...
you just can`t win.
And women...we are either raging feminists or doormat homebodies. Folks don`t realise we can be damn fine home makers without being doormats, or we can hold down a job without wanting to castrate every available man. ;)
I`m independant, work for myself, and am considered strong and decent. But I`m also feminine, traditional, and want my man to be the one in control.
I think most decent women just want their men to be real, and reliable. ;)

[HawkR]

I think most decent women just want their men to be real, and reliable. ;)

Hopefully yes, but unfortunally it seems that this is realised way to late, by both sexes...

[Lady L]

The traditional family unit is definitely suffering over here. There are though, at the same time, people who are dedicated parents and family. I would like to consider my parents and me and my husband some of those.

There are to many teenage pregnancies, which to me is very bad for the next generation and then if the spiral continues what happens to traditional families..? I don't think they will ever become extinct but I would rather them be on the more than the less.

I was recently arguing over some of these issues over on another forum...me being kinda traditional...I said No to gay marriage and No to polygamy. Why..? because it isn't traditional. Yet everyone who disagreed with me always said the same ol' crap...! " What right do I have to take away their happiness " bla bla etc...Now, my question to that is...What right do they have to take away our traditional society..? Which to me functions at a better rate and provides more positive for my country.

[Absinthe]

I was wondering what the other posters around here think about the state of the family unit in their respective nations.

The traditional family unit what I would describe as Mum, Dad (married) and kids.

Is the family unit broken in your country?

The traditional family model in my country:

Mum, Dad (married) and kids.

Living in the top floor of the parents' building. Mother-in-law in the house all day because she 'helps' with the kids and the household (actually she sits on the couch and snoops around, destroying all sense of marital privacy). She intervenes in everything and tells bride how to do things. And it's not advice, it's an order.

Grandparents live on the ground floor of the same building and guess at whose house they spend the day because they 'need company' ;)

Grandmother cooks exclusively meat-based plates soaked in oil and grease because that she went through years of hunger and meat deprivation during the german occupation (WWII).
She insists that you eat them because she is afraid that you don't get enough nutrients from your vegetarian diet.

Your kids must by playing with other relatives' kids regardless of whether they like them or not. Usually the relatives kids are obese and obnoxious and bully your own kids but you're supposed to look the other way because they're 'family'.

Aunt Voula (name randomly picked) that lives at a distant village calls you up to announce that she is moving into your house for an indefinite period of time because she has arthritis and needs to be closer to the Hospital.

Every Sunday you're supposed to cook for 30 because aunts, ucles, cousins, nephews, and other relatives shall come to the house for a family gathering. Of course they will all critisize the way you dress, the way you run your home and the new furniture that you bought, because they 'care about you' and they're 'family'. Even if you're 50 years old with grown children they will still treat you like a child and have the last say in everything you want to do.

When you're all old and grown up, they shall start fighting with you over property issues, and they'll end up snatching your inheritance through blackmail and not speak to you for the rest of their lives.

So what do you think? Is the family model suffering? :D

[Treffie]

Both sexes have unreasonable expectations.


Very wise words!

[Psychonaut]

I think people in my ethnic group are much closer to traditional families than many Americans. I grew up regularly seeing all of my aunts, uncles and grandparents; even those who lived out of state. It's also common, in my family at least, for elders to be cared for by their children, rather than being placed in a nursing home.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Yeah, not to keen on the extended family myself.

I think a household should consist of mother, father, and minor children (up to and including college age). This model is certainly imperiled, many more single parent households and mixed/stepchildren, also more 'adult' children continuing to live with their parents.




Both sexes have unreasonable expectations. Men want their women to be porn stars. And women want me to be some kind of character ripped straight from a romance novel. Reminds me of a cousin of mine who felt that way about man, and once the biological alarm was ringing full blast, she married the nearest slob because she wanted children before it was ''too late''.
If she only had settled for a man much sooner.

This too I have noticed, though it seems to be the case more amongst women. A variant of this behavior is the many women who chase thug guys when younger, then only look for more responsible type guys after they are already in their late 20s or older, and often have a kid via one (or more) of the thug guys. With men, the pattern seems to be either chase anything & everything female (probably the majority), or to have little to no interest in women (a sizable minority), with it not uncommon for men to move directly from category A to category B without any stop in between.

[TheGreatest]

College students are no longer as independent because of high tuition and surprisingly we pay the exact same residence fees as non-Nationals. And jobs near the campus are scarce. And for the students who have their own transportation, employers often have no sympathy if their employee has three papers due in the same week and needs the time off to write them

(mainly b/c of jealousy and all. I got a lot of shit at work when everyone found out I was a student and destined to accomplish a lot more than their $15 a hour job at the steel mill. The idiots could have done the same if they weren't too busy playing ''bad boy'' in their youth and acting tough and all. Hell at least back then the tuition was actually affordable for those who didn't have a scholarship, student loan or parental financing)

[Stormraaf]

In general, Afrikaners still keep close to the traditional family unit as it is described in this thread. Where I've heard of things like homosexual parents, remarried parents, etc. around here, it was usually from or about other ethnicities.

[Revenant]

So what do you think? Is the family model suffering? :D

Apart from the property disputes it sounds okay.

I was lucky enough to grow up around some Italian, Greek and Slav traditional families and used to compare them to my own single parent and later blended 'family'. They didn't have their large extended family per your description (because they were here) but the rest is spot on. The love and stability in the household was probably the most striking difference. As a child who was rasied by the childprison (daycare) warden and fed takeaway junk because my cold careermother was too busy to cook for me. I was and still am to tell the truth, desperately envious of nearly every aspect of the 'ethnic' family, what I got to experience of it anyway.

Most people I know (the WASP's) had the same upbringing as myself. They are going about recreating dysfunctional sham families, repeating the mistakes of their Boomer parents. As usual it's the kids who suffer the most.

There was a law passed last year here that mandates kids spend 50/50 time living with Mum and Dad after parents are Divorced. Maybe it has been rolled back since by the gutter trash that runs the country now, but I think this could be positive, certainly a improvement over what happens now.

[Loyalist]

Around here the traditional family isn't a thing of the past yet, but it's certainly on its way there. Until the middle of the 20th century, North-Western Europeans, and the WASP populations of Colonial nations, served as a model for proper family life. That means a married couple, with any number of children, inside a stable home, with both parents performing their expected roles (men are the wage earners, while women maintain the household, rear children, etc.). That is not a chauvinistic or sexist view of either gender, but rather the structure of even the most ancient Germanic societies, which allowed said people to ascend to global dominance. I have excluded Southern and Eastern Europeans, both in their native continent and in the Colonies, as the frequent presence of the extended family is a largely foreign, incompatible concept to the Northern peoples who I'm specifically referring to.

It was in the 1960s, when the "counter-culture" movement gave rise to the modern scourges of feminism and liberalism, that the ago-old familial structure of Northern Europeans began to come apart. Feminists, who are nothing but Judeo-Marxist agitators seeking to undermine traditional white society, have, since this time, more or less successully indoctrinated women with the message that their role in a family unit is some form of oppression. They have conveyed the idea that unless women opt for a career, shun the prospects of marriage or children (and it's no coincidence that a disproportionate number of feminists are lesbians), and take a hostile view of their male counterparts, they are somehow enabling or encouraging some sort of fictional enslavement of others of their gender. This is, however, only one peripheral of a far more desctructive force.

Liberalism and progressivism have not only contributed to the decline of the family by way promoting feminism, but they have also brought other, and, in some cases, far more destructive, modern perversions into existence. Widespread acceptance and mainstreaming of homosexuals, probably the most obvious indicator of society's declining morals, knows no limits. Children are now being forcibly placed into the custody of these perverts; science has become so twisted that it now attacks nature by enabling them to bear offspring themselves. In every case, the children concerned will be subject to psychological damage.

There are other elements as well that, while not requiring such long-winded examination, are still worthy of mentioning. Tolerance of single mothers (that doesn't include divocees or widows), another contributor, has further still encouraged teen pregnancy (which is also a key player in increasing miscegenation). Pre-marital sex, especially among teens, is effectively standard and encouraged.

As for the consequences of the continuing destruction of the traditional family at the hands of pre-marital sex, teen and/or single mothers, homosexuals, liberals, and feminists, one needs only to turns on the news.