White Americans non-caucasoid admixture from 23andme

[Isleño]

That is irrelevant, what matters is how many Spaniards lived there, and how many Anglos.

Of course. I was just giving a response to one of your comments: "Perhaps USA was not a British colony??" The answer is most of it was not.

[Oneeye]

Actually black slaves were imported to New England as early as the first half of the 17th century.

That said, they'd still likely be just as mixed, if not more, considering that [many] New England states were among the few never to penalise miscegenation.


The Northern states outlawed slavery a long time earlier than the rest. Black Americans throughout the country have roots from the southern states.

[Oneeye]

You're mainly of Eastern English descent, and if not Eastern English then Scottish, and as such you come with 3-6% Scandinavian blood anyway. Mystery solved.

There are Americans descended from practically all parts of the UK, probably the least from the NE, but Eastern, Southern, the midlands, Wales, the borderlands, Scotland all should have quite a bit of representation in Americans.

[Oneeye]

I would say that white Cubans are veeeery white.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112969-Cuban-23andme-Results



White Americans are less mixed than that... but we're not very white xD

[Isleño]

I would say that white Cubans are veeeery white.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112969-Cuban-23andme-Results

Yes that's very true. And Cubans are probably the country where most of the whites are of full or near full Spanish ancestry. There are some like that in Argentina and Uruguay, even in places like Venezuela and Colombia, but many of those places have large scale Italian immigration and even a smaller German immigration. Cuba's immigration was almost entirely Spanish. I think white Cubans are the best examples for Spaniards born in Latin America (their descendants in now Florida being an extension of that).

[Gauthier]

Are you arguing against that European colonists displaced the Amerindians rather than absorbing them? Nobody is arguing that the Amerindians didn't absorb some European genetics, just the other way around.

And LOL @ 30%..... Try again:

I'm 100% European going by McDonald:

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/Christopher_Hammersla_Full_20120401185638BGA1.png (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/hammer1115/media/Christopher_Hammersla_Full_20120401185638BGA1.png. html)

And I'm 99.9& European according to 23andme.

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/d57eae5b-7ab8-481b-936c-8af59fe11c77_zps496d5982.png (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/hammer1115/media/d57eae5b-7ab8-481b-936c-8af59fe11c77_zps496d5982.png.html)

The 0.1% "North African" is on my X chromosome, of which the entire rest of that chromosome is Scandinavian. It would have been inherited from my Norwegian side, which came here during the 1870s... obviously such a small mixture had to have happen a long time ago in the old country. And given the slower rate of X chromosomes in mutating, I can't help but wonder if that.... if it isn't just noise... happened
due to lecherous, kidnapping vikings.



I have these three gringos on my 23andme account, no negro or amerindian ancestry.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/bLHA6J.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eybLHA6Jj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/633/KEpUuT.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/hlKEpUuTj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/qV16xh.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/idqV16xhj)

[Isleño]

The Southerners during Reconstruction hated blacks for the most part. They were enslaved for hundreds of years, and then segregated from Whites until the 1960s. How is that living harmoniously?
The north hated blacks too. Maybe not as passionately as the south, but indeed they were not fond of them and even owned slaves. But both the south and north had people that didn't have anything against blacks. But it was rampant in all of American society since they were seen as slaves and the lowest rung of society.

[Isleño]

I have these three gringos on my 23andme account, no negro or amerindian ancestry.Aren't you a gringo too? I thought you were from the USA or am I mistaken you are from Mexico?

[Gauthier]

Aren't you a gringo too? I thought you were from the USA or am I mistaken you are from Mexico?

No. I'm proudly a native from Northern Mexico. Look at my flag brother. :cool:

[Isleño]

No. I'm proudly a native from Northern Mexico. Look at my flag brother. :cool:

Ok, sorry for the confusion. You can never tell people's real location or country they are from or live in from flags and location information, because so many people post false information and troll stuff on their profiles. I think there should be a rule against that because it's obviously being misused and abused. Notice all of my info on mine is true. I was talking to someone not long ago and thought they were from Europe because it was only flags and info relating them to Europe and turned out they were American and never even been to Europe. It's pretty deceiving.

[Longbowman]

There are Americans descended from practically all parts of the UK, probably the least from the NE, but Eastern, Southern, the midlands, Wales, the borderlands, Scotland all should have quite a bit of representation in Americans.

Yes, but mostly from the East, and either way, most Britons have a small amount of Scandinavian blood due to the Vikings and it shows on 23andme. There was also the colony of New Sweden in today's Maryland/Penn State.

[Samanta Fabris]

You do realize America was one of the only nations in history to implement anti-miscegenation laws and that they were in place from about 1660 until 1967? Although no amendments were ratified nearly every state had a plethora of such laws and many criminalized cohabitation too. And then of course racial segregation laws were imposed in 1876 at the state and local level, which I'm sure you've heard of.

The Italians and the Germans outlawed racial mixing with natives in their colonies too. The few mongrels were denied the citizenship and forced to live in the colonies.

[Stimpy]

Whites have more of our blood than they admit,,, these studies are false and made up, most whites have a lot of our blood. But they fear to admit this fact

Lol, no. The average African-American like you are on the other have an average of 15-20% European blood. There probably doesn't even exist any african-americans with zero European blood.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Lol, no. The average African-American like you are on the other have an average of 15-20% European blood. There probably doesn't even exist any african-americans with zero European blood.



* According to Ancestry.com, the average African American is 65 percent sub-Saharan African, 29 percent European and 2 percent Native American.

* According to 23andme.com, the average African American is 75 percent sub-Saharan African, 22 percent European and only 0.6 percent Native American.

* According to Family Tree DNA.com, the average African American is 72.95 percent sub-Saharan African, 22.83 percent European and 1.7 percent Native American.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/02/how_mixed_are_african_americans.2.html

[Oneeye]

Perhaps USA was not a British colony?? :rolleyes: come on, dont fuck me, Jack the Oneye.



Native American chiefs haha that you would wish. You are 500 years living in harmony with all kind of races, man.
Who do you want to deceive??


Thats an euphemism. Try it with other thing.
And yes, for me white Americans are a joke, in all respects.



Being from Latin American countries does not mean mestizo. Many of them are fully blacks and fully Natives.

But you will be, dont worry. Maybe in your dreams you think that the 70 millions of immigrants that USA has will dissapear magically.
In 2100 we speak hehe



I'm talking about nations in the Americas. Period. You want to make this entirely into Anglosphere vs. Hispanosphere? How about the Philippines?


As for "harmony" of the different races in America... White Americans DOMINATED the US. This "harmony" was European Americans' victories in wars and negotiating. Our ancestors lived by Manifest Destiny. It was thought that the land was our right to take. Let's add religion into this: Protestants were much more opposed to miscegenation than Catholics.


It's not an "euphanism"... it is a look at Americans who are identified as white. :facepalm:


But why am I arguing with you? Your bias is clear. You're here to disrupt and fling feces.... calling Cubans very white, but white Americans mixed. Nevermind that the Cuban results you linked showed the kind of mixing that you unreasonably believe white Americans to have. I've met Cubans. xD "exemplarily white" was not the first thing to cross my mind. What crossed my mind was the small stature and tanned skin.




White Americans vs. white Cubans:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Tm6lOBTOtHI/T6eMU3ykJ7I/AAAAAAAAABE/klGhhqK4q-4/s1600/suburban-family.jpg



http://www.gallardolawfirm.com/wp-content/uploads/cuban-family.jpg

[Leto]

White Americans vs. white Cubans:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Tm6lOBTOtHI/T6eMU3ykJ7I/AAAAAAAAABE/klGhhqK4q-4/s1600/suburban-family.jpg

http://www.gallardolawfirm.com/wp-content/uploads/cuban-family.jpg
White Cubans might be closer to Cristiano's people.

[Fenrir]

But why am I arguing with you? Your bias is clear.

Ignore him, Oneeye. It's clear he's commie pinko scum who hates freedom.

[LightHouse89]

White Cubans might be closer to Cristiano's people.

Well one must add that Cubans also have a Levantine mixture. Alot of Syrians, Palestinians and Lebanese people immigrated there. Most of them were christians or later became christians. Argentinians are a different story as they are mostly if not 100% European. Cubans only a small amount are White in the European meaning of the word. White in the Caucasian conclusive word which adds all Caucasians...yes the majority of Cubans are Caucasians.

[Leto]

Well one must add that Cubans also have a Levantine mixture. Alot of Syrians, Palestinians and Lebanese people immigrated there. Most of them were christians or later became christians. Argentinians are a different story as they are mostly if not 100% European. Cubans only a small amount are White in the European meaning of the word. White in the Caucasian conclusive word which adds all Caucasians...yes the majority of Cubans are Caucasians.
Not really. The Levantine migration to Argentina was much stronger. Armenians moved there as well. They were subsequently absorbed by the European majority, since those Europeans themselves were mostly of darker Southern stock.

[LightHouse89]

Yes, but mostly from the East, and either way, most Britons have a small amount of Scandinavian blood due to the Vikings and it shows on 23andme. There was also the colony of New Sweden in today's Maryland/Penn State.

Scandinavians immigrated all over the North East/South and even mid west. Look at my one ancestors from Finland.....they settled in a town and created a wood working shop and were excellent lumber jacks....they still have this trade three towns from here and still exist XD....Gardner MA.... It was known as Little Finland although most inter married with people from other towns here. Most people who immigrated to New England from Europe came here, lasted pure about a decade maybe and began inter marrying with other Euro-New Englanders be them immigrants or native [as in euro-american]. Almost everyone in New England even those with southern european ancestry can claim they have New England ancestry. The same in the South with Euro-Immigrants who went there. It would seem today many identify with the regional culture very easily as they have the ancestry to do so. Many like the Irish contributed to our regional identity with things such as music....Irish music is the most popular music in New England. Pubs are very popular here because they are apart of Irish and English culture. Friday night here = Pub night with loud Irish music and fish and chips.....then the Italians and French brought cuisine here which we all regularly eat.

The South is very similar just a bit more Protestant and probably less Secular than the North East.

[LightHouse89]

Not really. The Levantine migration to Argentina was much stronger. Armenians moved there as well. They were subsequently absorbed by the European majority, since those Europeans themselves were mostly of darker Southern stock.

Cubans have alot of Middle Eastern ancestry......shockingly they are very right wing people here on the east coast.

[LightHouse89]

The Northern states outlawed slavery a long time earlier than the rest. Black Americans throughout the country have roots from the southern states.

http://slavenorth.com/massachusetts.htm

New England slave trade which disproves everyone here who thinks we mixed with them or many of them came here..... LOL the Puritans were not the liberal modern day New Englanders. http://slavenorth.com/massemancip.htm

Slavery was not very popular here. So much that it was feared because of revolt and what would have happened so most blacks were sold to slavers or fled to the North or South. There were never alot of slaves that came here and many people were distrustful of it because of the financial competition here between land owners....so the local government banned slavery, did not allow blacks to own property or to be considered citizens or have the right to vote. So if we were such liberal hippies why is it that we were this paleoconservative about the subject?

The reason we disliked slavery was not due to the fact of religious reasons but due to the fact of what could happen if slaves lived here and would eventually revolt? Also what would happen when future liberals allowed them to own land and live here? That was how we thought then where as the south back then were more liberal about it where as the North was strongly against slavery because of what would eventually happen......Liberals would grant them freedom an let them become citizens. Southerners reject this logic and say well segregation is the answer....if that were the answer then why are we here now dealing with the repercussions of what liberals from the South had caused?

I do not mean to go off topic sorry. Its just an interesting argument. Slavery though became a major source of income for the southerners where as in the North it was not popular to own slaves due to distrust of the slave.....in the Pequot Wars we sold the captives as slaves and they were sent to the East Indies. This is why we do not see alot of Metis here today because many of them [natives] were sold as serfs to work elsewhere in the world after the wars with them in New England....they were not trusted as slaves here either. The original Abolitionists were more racist than the slave owners LOL

[Cristiano viejo]

Of course. I was just giving a response to one of your comments: "Perhaps USA was not a British colony??" The answer is most of it was not.
I meant the Thirteen Colonies obviously. I dont think that these things need to be explained.


White Americans are less mixed than that... but we're not very white xD
15 million of "White" Americans have black blood, I insist.
Add these of Native blood.


http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/02/how_mixed_are_african_americans.2.html
And people here talking about miscegenation in the Spanish colonies hohohoho
Now you could post the same results but about the "White" Americans :thumb001:


I'm talking about nations in the Americas. Period. You want to make this entirely into Anglosphere vs. Hispanosphere? How about the Philippines?
But man of God, do you know how many Spaniards arrived to Filipinas??



Let's add religion into this: Protestants were much more opposed to miscegenation than Catholics.
Yeah, in USA Irish or Italians are famous for their racial mix :rolleyes:
Yeah, USA is the best example that Protestants oppose to miscegenation :laugh: come on, mate, that is good :laugh2:




It's not an "euphanism"... it is a look at Americans who are identified as white. :facepalm:
Yes, an euphemism. In my book non Caucasoid admixture means mixed.



But why am I arguing with you?
Because your butthurt, it´s evident.



Your bias is clear. You're here to disrupt and fling feces.... calling WHITE Cubans very white, but white Americans mixed.
Fixed.


Nevermind that the Cuban results you linked showed the kind of mixing that you unreasonably believe white Americans to have.
Not if we compare, and that is what I am telling, White Cubans with "White Americans, whom 15 millions present black blood in the best of your scenaries (and again, add the Native element and you have other few millions else).


I've met Cubans. xD "exemplarily white" was not the first thing to cross my mind.
What crossed my mind was the small stature and tanned skin.
What cross your mind is your problem. Americans are not famous around the world because their geography knowledges. Spain is in Southern Mexico, remember?


White Americans vs. white Cubans:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Tm6lOBTOtHI/T6eMU3ykJ7I/AAAAAAAAABE/klGhhqK4q-4/s1600/suburban-family.jpg



http://www.gallardolawfirm.com/wp-content/uploads/cuban-family.jpg
Nice cherrypicking. If these are White Cubans I am Edward Scissorhands.

True White Cubans
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4eNCH2s4mmNxhyAH7OrWOR86zZC7ek vyVd0ACcDBedYQSw7J_

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/Gabriel673/Cuban%20people/418145_376501845696605_100000103796943_1579715_156 691565_n.jpg

Some more White Cubans http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?p=201212

Damn, 1eye, if you are dark haired and dark (1) eyed..here in Apricity we have the user Marina who is White Cuban and she is blonde and blue eyed, what are you talking... :picard1:


Ignore him, Oneeye. It's clear he's commie pinko scum who hates freedom.
What freedom you talk, Jeffersonian ignorant? that freedem that allows you to have a black President? :laugh:
I shit in your freedom.

[Also]

You totally used race in a social construct relying on appearance when you said "white=blonde". If that's not relying on appearance, then I don't know what is.

I never said "white=blonde". I said dark-haired people are not white, which is not the same statement. Just like if you see a red insect you know it is not a grasshopper. Although not every green insect is a grasshopper, but if it is not green it is not a grasshopper.

[LightHouse89]

Racial laws were followed in New England however in the 1970s the left wing hippy culture brought all this black pride and powah crap here. Before that we found more constructive ways of getting rid of the black problem here in the 1860s.... but no matter what this idiot criestiano wont talk sense and will just call us mulattoos....if he came to new england he wouldnt notice a difference between us [as in the actual ethnic group not immigrants] and the British Islands. The same in French Canada....not much of a difference between them and France in terms of phenotypes and racial. But yeah we all mated with the slaves LOL XD....he really doesnt realize the type of protestantism we followed back then that preached mixing with a black or slave was equivalent to sleeping with the Devil himself as blacks were seen as products of the devil.

[LightHouse89]

I never said "white=blonde". I said dark-haired people are not white, which is not the same statement. Just like if you see a red insect you know it is not a grasshopper. Although not every green insect is a grasshopper, but if it is not green it is not a grasshopper.

I agree that white does not = blonde hair and blue eyed.

[Also]

I agree that white does not = blonde hair and blue eyed.

Yes, there are millions of people with blond hair and blue eyes who are not white. What I mean is that blond or red hair, or at least light brown is not a sufficient condition for whiteness, but it is a necessary condition. If your hair is dark brown or black == not white.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes, there are millions of people with blond hair and blue eyes who are not white. What I mean is that blond or red hair, or at least light brown is not a sufficient condition for whiteness, but it is a necessary condition. If your hair is dark brown or black == not white.

So based on your retarded logic, most Iberians, Italians and Balkanites, around half of French people and a good portion of Brits, Dutch, Germans, Poles, Czechs etc. aren't White?

[LightHouse89]

Yes, there are millions of people with blond hair and blue eyes who are not white. What I mean is that blond or red hair, or at least light brown is not a sufficient condition for whiteness, but it is a necessary condition. If your hair is dark brown or black == not white.

what is white or European has more to do with genetics than eye color or hair color.

[Also]

So based on your retarded logic, most Iberians, Italians and Balkanites, around half of French people and a good portion of Brits, Dutch, Germans, Poles, Czechs etc. aren't White?

What's retarded about it? The fact you don't like it? Guess what, you don't have to. I've posted an image with a flowchart that makes it clear who is white and who isn't, but someone deleted it.

[Tooting Carmen]

What's retarded about it? The fact you don't like it? Guess what, you don't have to. I've posted an image with a flowchart that makes it clear who is white and who isn't, but someone deleted it.

No, because people with darker features very often are still 100% European genetically (or close, at any rate).

[Also]

No, because people with darker features very often are still 100% European genetically (or close, at any rate).

Not all europeans are white. Many are not. We chose the word 'white' because it makes reference to a color.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not all europeans are white. Many are not. We chose the word 'white' because it makes reference to a color.

I'd be interested in your responses to these threads:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?142648-Which-of-these-two-sets-of-phenotypes-do-you-associate-more-with-France
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?142649-Which-of-these-two-sets-of-phenotypes-do-you-associate-more-with-Italy
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?142660-Which-of-these-two-sets-of-phenotypes-do-you-associate-more-with-Portugal

[Leto]

Not all europeans are white. Many are not. We chose the word 'white' because it makes reference to a color.
Oh yeah, you consider a 1/16 Amerindian person non-white. I think this term is simply useless for you, because your eyes CANNOT tell you the "truth".

[Also]

Oh yeah, you consider a 1/16 Amerindian person non-white. I think this term is simply useless for you, because your eyes CANNOT tell you the "truth".

I am not worried about finding out who is white or not.

[Leto]

what is white or European has more to do with genetics than eye color or hair color.
Even you said 90% European = white in New England (and elsewhere), but that dude thinks that a 1/32 non-European person is "mixed". :picard1:

[Leto]

I am not worried about finding out who is white or not.
And why the fuck do you stick to that extremely stupid notion? It simply doesn't make sense.

[Also]

And why the fuck do you stick to that extremely stupid notion? It simply doesn't make sense.

I opened my eyes to the racial reality that white people are very very few.

[Leto]

I opened my eyes to the racial reality that white people are very very few.
Let's say there are NO white people. It would be better to think so.:)

[Also]

Let's say there are NO white people. It would be better to think so.:)

There won't be soon, you are just wrong by a matter of time. A lot of these people who look white are part mong or had a brown eyed parent.

[Leto]

There won't be soon, you are just wrong by a matter of time. A lot of these people who look white are part mong or had a brown eyed parent.
You're just a troll.:thumb001:

[Cristiano viejo]

You're just a troll.:thumb001:

Welcome to Apricity.

[Anthropologique]

TA, land of racially self hating trolls. The list is endless ...

[Oneeye]

15 million of "White" Americans have black blood, I insist.
Add these of Native blood.

15 million "white" Americans have slivers of black and/or native blood just like your beloved "white" Cubans.



And people here talking about miscegenation in the Spanish colonies hohohoho
Now you could post the same results but about the "White" Americans :thumb001:


We don't really care about race mixing in Latin American countries. But it is clearly a sore subject for you, so we keep bringing it up. I've been posting about results of white Americans. The original post was about American results. Everyone who has paid attention to them finds your posts amusing.




But man of God, do you know how many Spaniards arrived to Filipinas??


Irrelevant.




Yeah, in USA Irish or Italians are famous for their racial mix :rolleyes:
Yeah, USA is the best example that Protestants oppose to miscegenation :laugh: come on, mate, that is good :laugh2:



Yeah, them pure Irish and Italian Americans...




Yes, an euphemism. In my book non Caucasoid admixture in everyone but Hispanics means mixed.


Fixed ;)



Because your butthurt, it´s evident.


Projection.



Not if we compare, and that is what I am telling, White Cubans with "White Americans, whom 15 millions present black blood in the best of your scenaries (and again, add the Native element and you have other few millions else).


Check this thread out... Out of a hundred DNA results, every single Cuban had some black and Native American ancestry:http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112969-Cuban-23andme-Results






























Oh wait, it is the same thread you posted earlier? And you are commenting in it how they are whiter than so many Europeans? BAahahahahahahahahahaha!!





What cross your mind is your problem. Americans are not famous around the world because their geography knowledges. Spain is in Southern Mexico, remember?



Of course it is. :rolleyes:




Nice cherrypicking. If these are White Cubans I am Edward Scissorhands.



I did an image search for "white Cuban family" and that was the first picture I found that didn't have mulattos.



True White Cubans
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4eNCH2s4mmNxhyAH7OrWOR86zZC7ek vyVd0ACcDBedYQSw7J_

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa376/Gabriel673/Cuban%20people/418145_376501845696605_100000103796943_1579715_156 691565_n.jpg

Some more White Cubans http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?p=201212


Sharing your private fetish collection? Well this is awkward....




Damn, 1eye, if you are dark haired and dark (1) eyed..here in Apricity we have the user Marina who is White Cuban and she is blonde and blue eyed, what are you talking... :picard1:



Blonde hair and blue eyes aren't anything special. The majority of my family and many of my friends have it. xD If Cubans are "very white", then Odin is my father.

[Mortimer]

Seriously, with all this time them living together, I would have thought them to have much more, especially in the south. Well, the one drop rule really did work.

also because of constant new immigration from europe, there are so many waves of european immigration to united states, only a few are really old colonials etc. and they probably do have some native blood at least, or the old colonials did etc.

[Cristiano viejo]

15 million "white" Americans have slivers of black and/or native blood just like your beloved "white" Cubans.
Who are not considered whites...


We don't really care about race mixing in Latin American countries. But it is clearly a sore subject for you, so we keep bringing it up. I've been posting about results of white Americans. The original post was about American results. Everyone who has paid attention to them finds your posts amusing.

Results about White Americans, you say? take a look again the OP, hell.




Irrelevant.
Only for blind and deaf. How can you ask for Filipinas to talk about miscegenation in the Spanish colonies, and when I say you that the number of Spaniards there was ridicolous, saying that it is an irrelevant thing? it´s ridicolous :lightbul:




Yeah, them pure Irish and Italian Americans...
According you they should be more prone to miscegenation because they are Catholics. Well, pure bullshit, overall in the Italo case :coffee:





Check this thread out... Out of a hundred DNA results, every single Cuban had some black and Native American ancestry:http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112969-Cuban-23andme-Results


Oh wait, it is the same thread you posted earlier? And you are commenting in it how they are whiter than so many Europeans? BAahahahahahahahahahaha!!
That thread is not only about White Cubans but if yo take account 0,1% or 0,2% which is noise, then consider yourself Northern African :thumb001:
They are whiter than White" Americans. I have to mention again that American Neonazi that became famous last year because he wanted to build a village only for whites... and after a dna test he scored 14% negro hahaha what joke, man xD A very good White American, I certainly agree!





Blonde hair and blue eyes aren't anything special. The majority of my family and many of my friends have it. xD If Cubans are "very white", then Odin is my father.
ok but you are his illigitimate son.

[Samanta Fabris]

Bro give it up.

White Cuban are as rule swarthy/exotic and can be "white" only among blacks and latinos in Miami.

[Isleño]

Bro give it up.

White Cuban are as rule swarthy/exotic and can be "white" only among blacks and latinos in Miami.
That's not true. White Cubans are white people. They are just of Southern European ancestry and are not very pale, but some are. They are more like the Italian-Americans and many French-Americans than the Anglo-Americans. White people can be swarthy. Look at Europe how many swarthy whites there are.

[LightHouse89]

Even you said 90% European = white in New England (and elsewhere), but that dude thinks that a 1/32 non-European person is "mixed". :picard1:

that is with some native american admixture...people with negro blood are automatically Negroes by the old laws :cool:

[LightHouse89]

I opened my eyes to the racial reality that white people are very very few.

:rolleyes: first you were a dictator and now you are a liberal :picard1:

[Samanta Fabris]

That's not true. White Cubans are white people. They are just of Southern European ancestry and are not very pale, but some are. They are more like the Italian-Americans and many French-Americans than the Anglo-Americans. White people can be swarthy. Look at Europe how many swarthy whites there are.

99% of Italian-Americans and French-Americans are mixed with Puerto Ricans, Afro Americans, Mexicans, Jews...

I mean fresh boat White Cubans are as rule jet black haired/eyed and many have dark skin and pseudo MENA/Amerindian facial feautures. They are nowhere comparable to White Americans of NW Euro stock. White Cubans can be white only among Jews in New York and Jamal and Janiqua in Miami.

[Samanta Fabris]

Arabo Vjejo is in denial of reality. A dirty dog is more intelligent than him for sure.

The average white Cuban scores 10% Amerindian +SSA admixture. Their European ancestry is almost all Iberian, and especially Canarian. Nearly 10% of their West Eurasian Y-dna haplotypes are of North African origin.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubans

[TheForeigner]

Everyone ignored the second study I posted, which is also from 23andme and posted at Dienekes' blog and show higher incidence and higher average level of admixture. Although it seems dubious to me and I'm begining to think many such studies are agenda driven.

[Tooting Carmen]

99% of Italian-Americans and French-Americans are mixed with Puerto Ricans, Afro Americans, Mexicans, Jews...

Nonsense.


I mean fresh boat White Cubans are as rule jet black haired/eyed and many have dark skin and pseudo MENA/Amerindian facial feautures. They are nowhere comparable to White Americans of NW Euro stock. White Cubans can be white only among Jews in New York and Jamal and Janiqua in Miami.

Although you embellish, that is certainly largely true.

[Isleño]

99% of Italian-Americans and French-Americans are mixed with Puerto Ricans, Afro Americans, Mexicans, Jews...

I mean fresh boat White Cubans are as rule jet black haired/eyed and many have dark skin and pseudo MENA/Amerindian facial feautures. They are nowhere comparable to White Americans of NW Euro stock. White Cubans can be white only among Jews in New York and Jamal and Janiqua in Miami.

That's not true. I don't know any Italian-Americans or French-Americans in my state that are mixed with Puerto Ricans, blacks, Mexicans or Jews. I don't even think even in the entire U.S. that is the situation. I think if they are mixed with anything (there are still pure ones too) it would be some other white ancestry. One of the most popular mixes are Irish-Italian. As for white Cubans they came in two waves. The exile wave and the marielito wave. Among the exile wave they were usually well off Cubans and were very white. We can see many of the 23andme results where they score similar to white Americans. In the marielito wave, there both the very white kind and also some that were a little more admixed, but not by much, they still can be seen as whites, but just with a tad bit of admixture. I've lived in Florida in an actual Cuban neighborhood for 2 years, so I think that gives me some sorta validation in what I say. I've seen them close up, talked to them, worked with them, ate with them, etc. I have some Cuban cousins in Florida that are from a branch of my family that settled Cuba although me not being Cuban, so I know the white Cubans well. Plus we have scores of 23andme test results to show that white Cubans are whites and score very European.

[Isleño]

Arabo Vjejo is in denial of reality. A dirty dog is more intelligent than him for sure.

The average white Cuban scores 10% Amerindian +SSA admixture. Their European ancestry is almost all Iberian, and especially Canarian. Nearly 10% of their West Eurasian Y-dna haplotypes are of North African origin.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CubansThere are tons of 23andme results where white Cubans score hardly any Amerind or SSA.

[Isleño]

Although you embellish, that is certainly largely true.That's not true at all. I live here, I know better.

[Also]

:rolleyes: first you were a dictator and now you are a liberal :picard1:

I swear I don't know what you are talking about. When was I a dictator? I don't feel exactly like a liberal either.

[Also]

23andme results can't be generalized to the whole american population because of how sampling methods work. For a sample to be generalized to the whole population with confidence it needs to follow some algorithm where any individual of the population has the same probability of being picked to be part of the sample (probability sampling (http://www.socialresearchmethods.net/kb/sampprob.php)), picking 23andme results is clearly not the case where every american or white american has the same probability of ending in the sample, this is considered a convenience sampling (https://explorable.com/convenience-sampling) and it is a non-probability sampling method. It is like doing a census election in only one magazine and expect its results to generalize to the whole population.

My guess is that white americans are more mixed than people expect, speacially in the south. Many of them had mexican or native ancestors, they had been closely interacting with each other for hundreds of years.

[Samanta Fabris]

That's not true. I don't know any Italian-Americans or French-Americans in my state that are mixed with Puerto Ricans, blacks, Mexicans or Jews. I don't even think even in the entire U.S. that is the situation. I think if they are mixed with anything (there are still pure ones too) it would be some other white ancestry. One of the most popular mixes are Irish-Italian.

This according to your personal experience of course. My experience tells me otherwise. So just let's agree that we disagree.


As for white Cubans they came in two waves. The exile wave and the marielito wave. Among the exile wave they were usually well off Cubans and were very white. We can see many of the 23andme results where they score similar to white Americans. In the marielito wave, there both the very white kind and also some that were a little more admixed, but not by much, they still can be seen as whites, but just with a tad bit of admixture. I've lived in Florida in an actual Cuban neighborhood for 2 years, so I think that gives me some sorta validation in what I say. I've seen them close up, talked to them, worked with them, ate with them, etc. I have some Cuban cousins in Florida that are from a branch of my family that settled Cuba although me not being Cuban, so I know the white Cubans well. Plus we have scores of 23andme test results to show that white Cubans are whites and score very European.

I've seen the 23andme test results posted by that user, and plenty of them had both Amerindian and SSA admixture. Some have it in the double digit. And that assuming that he has not hidden the most admixed ones.

[LightHouse89]

23andme results can't be generalized to the whole american population because of how sampling methods work. For a sample to be generalized to the whole population with confidence it needs to follow some algorithm where any individual of the population has the same probability of being picked to be part of the sample (probability sampling (http://www.socialresearchmethods.net/kb/sampprob.php)), picking 23andme results is clearly not the case where every american or white american has the same probability of ending in the sample, this is considered a convenience sampling (https://explorable.com/convenience-sampling) and it is a non-probability sampling method. It is like doing a census election in only one magazine and expect its results to generalize to the whole population.

My guess is that white americans are more mixed than people expect, speacially in the south. Many of them had mexican or native ancestors, they had been closely interacting with each other for hundreds of years.

Not true at all. It is the truth that racial laws prevented mixing with others. But believe what you will. Puerto Rico is the example of a country without mixing laws and look at them they are mostly an Afro-Mestizo country of Tri-Racials. Most people there have a two digit IQ.

[Also]

Not true at all. It is the truth that racial laws prevented mixing with others. But believe what you will. Puerto Rico is the example of a country without mixing laws and look at them they are mostly an Afro-Mestizo country of Tri-Racials. Most people there have a two digit IQ.

People get horny and do stuff, and those mestizos passed as white inserting their amerindian genes into the white american population.

[Leto]

Most people there have a two digit IQ.
A two digit IQ is not bad. Almost all European countries, including Russia, range between 93 and 99. But of course it's not 75-85 as in Africa and some other regions.

[Leto]

People get horny and do stuff, and those mestizos passed as white inserting their amerindian genes into the white american population.
They must be castizos (80-90% European). It's not a problem at all.

[Also]

A two digit IQ is not bad. Almost all European countries, including Russia, range between 93 and 99. But of course it's not 75-85 as in Africa and some other regions.

USA's average IQ is itself 98. :lol:

[Anthropologique]

There won't be soon, you are just wrong by a matter of time. A lot of these people who look white are part mong or had a brown eyed parent.

Brown eyes doesn't mean you're not white. The majority of Europeans have brown or dark hazel eyes.

[Leto]

Brown eyes doesn't mean your not white. The majority of Europeans have brown or dark hazel eyes.
The guy's just trollin' everyone here.;)

[Porpolita]

Brown eyes doesn't mean your not white. The majority of Europeans have brown or dark hazel eyes.

I think for Europe overall its half and half light and dark eyes.

According to eye colour stats:

80%+ Light eyes: Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Ireland, Scotland
70%+ Light eyes: England, Germany, Netherlands, Belarus, Lithuania
60%+ Light eyes: Wales, Belgium, Poland, Russia, Czech Republic, Slovakia
50%+ Light eyes: France, Switzerland, Austria, Ukraine, Slovenia
40%+ Light eyes: Hungary, Croatia
30%+ Light eyes: Italy, Romania, Bosnia & Herzegovina
20%+ Light eyes: Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania, Georgia*
10%+ Light eyes: Greece, Turkey*, Armenia*

*technically considered West Asian countries
Note than some smaller countries were missing

I don't know how accurate the source is but here it is: http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4581457/1/

[Leto]

40%+ Light eyes: Hungary, Croatia
30%+ Light eyes: Italy, Romania, Bosnia & Herzegovina
20%+ Light eyes: Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania, Georgia*

Do they really differ this significantly?

[LightHouse89]

A two digit IQ is not bad. Almost all European countries, including Russia, range between 93 and 99. But of course it's not 75-85 as in Africa and some other regions.

Fine I mean negative double digit.

[LightHouse89]

They must be castizos (80-90% European). It's not a problem at all.

If you consider black to dark brown skin with afros to be white then I am st. Nicholas.

[Leto]

If you consider black to dark brown skin with afros to be white then I am st. Nicholas.
No, I don't. You may have misunderstood the point of that discussion.

[LightHouse89]

No, I don't. You may have misunderstood the point of that discussion.

Literally 90% of them are brown with afros. LOL

[Leto]

Literally 90% of them are brown with afros. LOL
I wasn't talking about Puerto Ricans. Those you are referring to don't pass as white.

[LightHouse89]

I wasn't talking about Puerto Ricans. Those you are referring to don't pass as white.

Oh well thats what puerto ricans are. Brazilians are the same with the exception of the minority of Euro-Brazilians.

[Anthropologique]

Do they really differ this significantly?

Many of these figures are based on old crude estimates. The figure that is closer to reality is
the top series.

[Tooting Carmen]

Oh well thats what puerto ricans are. Brazilians are the same with the exception of the minority of Euro-Brazilians.

Cuba was and to some extent still is Whiter than Puerto Rico. (Brazil on the other hand has pockets that are very European, especially in the South and Southeast). Some White Cuban-American celebrities:

Andy Garcia
http://www.picpicx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/2bacfe8e550639af22f5f01858633c6b.jpg

Gloria and Emilio Estefan (she's my favourite singer)
http://www.impactony.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Gloria-y-Emilio.jpg

Cristina Saralegui
http://www.thecubanhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cristina-saralegui.jpg

Cameron Diaz (Cuban father)
http://intouch.wunderweib.de/media/redaktionell/wunderweib/intouch_2/beauty_1/beautyspecial/2012_47/camerondiaz/cameron-diaz-2010-b.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Bro give it up.

White Cuban are as rule swarthy/exotic and can be "white" only among blacks and latinos in Miami.

Maybe in your mongrel brain. Italo-Americans are not less swarthy than white Cubans, nor even in your best wet dreams.

[Tooting Carmen]

Italo-Americans are not less swarthy than white Cubans, nor even in your best wet dreams.

Yes that's true, but keep in mind that most Italo-Americans came from the far South of Italy though.

[Leto]

Dave Lombardo from the heavy metal band Slayer. White Cuban American
http://www.music-photocalypse.net/logos/lombardo2.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes that's true, but keep in mind that most Italo-Americans came from the far South of Italy though.

Enough argument for me.

@Jim Crow, do a favor yourself, stop to behave like a naughty child with the thumbs down, so you only get me laugh from your butthurt.

[Tooting Carmen]

Dave Lombardo from the heavy metal band Slayer. White Cuban American
http://www.music-photocalypse.net/logos/lombardo2.jpg

Interesting that he has that surname - he looks more Italian than Spanish to me.

[Cristiano viejo]

Dave Lombardo from the heavy metal band Slayer. White Cuban American
http://www.music-photocalypse.net/logos/lombardo2.jpg

Lombardo... very Spanish surname :rolleyes:

[Leto]

Yes that's true, but keep in mind that most Italo-Americans came from the far South of Italy though.
I think Portuguese Americans in Massachusetts aren't blond and blue-eyed either.

[Leto]

Lombardo... very Spanish surname :rolleyes:
White Cuban ≠ Spanish.

[Cristiano viejo]

White Cuban ≠ Spanish.

Very very very true. I can not be more agree with you, 0,00000726347624% of white Cubans are not from Spanish ancestry.

[Samanta Fabris]

Maybe in your mongrel brain. Italo-Americans are not less swarthy than white Cubans, nor even in your best wet dreams.

Say the subhuman mongrel from Iberiafrica.

I agree that they are on par with "Italian Americans" from New Jersey. Al-Fieb and Jersey Shore guidos are good examples of that.

[Longbowman]

Say the subhuman mongrel from Iberiafrica.

I agree that they are on par with "Italian Americans" from New Jersey. Al-Fieb and Jersey Shore guidos are good examples of that.

...you're from Argentina. What are you if not Spanish-Italian? Breakdown of your ancestry, please.

[LightHouse89]

Enough argument for me.

@Jim Crow, do a favor yourself, stop to behave like a naughty child with the thumbs down, so you only get me laugh from your butthurt.
How about you white wash your Puerto Ricans a bit more to give everyone a good laugh.

[LightHouse89]

I think Portuguese Americans in Massachusetts aren't blond and blue-eyed either.

Also less than 3% of the population of the entire region too :rolleyes: 3% is representative of the whole lot of us :rolleyes:

[Samanta Fabris]

...you're from Argentina. What are you if not Spanish-Italian? Breakdown of your ancestry, please.

"Spanish" is an umbrella term for lighter skinned mongrels in the New World.

[Longbowman]

"Spanish" is an umbrella term for lighter skinned mongrels in the New World.

Of which you are one?

[Cristiano viejo]

...you're from Argentina. What are you if not Spanish-Italian? Breakdown of your ancestry, please.

This mongrel is not Argentinian but Italian.

[Cristiano viejo]

How about you white wash your Puerto Ricans a bit more to give everyone a good laugh.

I hate P Ricans, Jimmy.

[Porpolita]

Do they really differ this significantly?

No the difference is quite small, its just the way I layed out the categories.

Croatia is 40%, Bosnia Herzegovina is 38% and Serbia is 28%. So only 12% difference between Serbia and Croatia, which is the same as the difference between Scotland and Wales.

[Tooting Carmen]

I hate P Ricans, Jimmy.

What have they done to upset you? There are hardly any PRs in Spain.

[LightHouse89]

I hate P Ricans, Jimmy.

Good but you fail to understand that the majority of Euro immigration to the Americas came here to the US. So this would explain why there are so many 'white' people here now wouldnt it. However due to recent immigration trends this is starting to change and most likely will become a mongrel nation soon enough. God bless freedom of choice and liberalism!

[Cristiano viejo]

I think for Europe overall its half and half light and dark eyes.

According to eye colour stats:

80%+ Light eyes: Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Ireland, Scotland
70%+ Light eyes: England, Germany, Netherlands, Belarus, Lithuania
60%+ Light eyes: Wales, Belgium, Poland, Russia, Czech Republic, Slovakia
50%+ Light eyes: France, Switzerland, Austria, Ukraine, Slovenia
40%+ Light eyes: Hungary, Croatia
30%+ Light eyes: Italy, Romania, Bosnia & Herzegovina
20%+ Light eyes: Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania, Georgia*
10%+ Light eyes: Greece, Turkey*, Armenia*

*technically considered West Asian countries
Note than some smaller countries were missing

I don't know how accurate the source is but here it is: http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4581457/1/
Romania is not higher than Spain. I dont care these studies, I have been there and I have seen it with my own and beautiful eyes.
And better I keep quiet...

[LightHouse89]

What have they done to upset you? There are hardly any PRs in Spain.

they are a trashy people and bottom of the barrel in terms of humanity. this is what happens when a government encourages interracialism it produces tri-racials who are a dumb race.

[RMuller]

My guess is that white americans are more mixed than people expect, speacially in the south. Many of them had mexican or native ancestors, they had been closely interacting with each other for hundreds of years.

Yeah like California,Texas,Arizona,Colorado and New Mexico their is some of whites who have Mexican ancestors 4-6 generations ago. Alot of old money FAMILIES in California and Texas have Mexican ancestors in the past.

[RMuller]

There are tons of 23andme results where white Cubans score hardly any Amerind or SSA.

They posted on the Latino section that white Cubans on the island were like 14.5% non-white on average on a new study.

The average European, African and Native American ancestry in those self-reporting to be “blanco” were 86%, 6.7% and 7.8%


http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1004488#pgen-1004488-g001

[Oneeye]

Who are not considered whites...



Results about White Americans, you say? take a look again the OP, hell.




Only for blind and deaf. How can you ask for Filipinas to talk about miscegenation in the Spanish colonies, and when I say you that the number of Spaniards there was ridicolous, saying that it is an irrelevant thing? it´s ridicolous :lightbul:




According you they should be more prone to miscegenation because they are Catholics. Well, pure bullshit, overall in the Italo case :coffee:





That thread is not only about White Cubans but if yo take account 0,1% or 0,2% which is noise, then consider yourself Northern African :thumb001:
They are whiter than White" Americans. I have to mention again that American Neonazi that became famous last year because he wanted to build a village only for whites... and after a dna test he scored 14% negro hahaha what joke, man xD A very good White American, I certainly agree!





ok but you are his illigitimate son.


I've read the OP... Have you? About 96% of white Americans have under 1% of black ancestry. (Most of the 4% that are higher than 1% are just a little bit above that, btw... You seem to be under the impression that the 4% are quadroons or something. xD)


And where do you get this idea that Italian Americans are purer or whatever? xD Because they claim to be? Italians live in the most diverse immigrant hubs of the nation and like to hold on to their identity. Are you really that gullible?


I'm more genetically homogenous than every Cuban in that thread. I just went through the list of Americans that I share with at 23andme. xD 99.9% or 100% Euro were the most common result, and nearly all were at least 99%... leaning towards 99.7 or 99.6%.

[LightHouse89]

I've read the OP... Have you? About 96% of white Americans have under 1% of black ancestry. (Most of the 4% that are higher than 1% are just a little bit above that, btw... You seem to be under the impression that the 4% are quadroons or something. xD)


And where do you get this idea that Italian Americans are purer or whatever? xD Because they claim to be? Italians live in the most diverse immigrant hubs of the nation and like to hold on to their identity. Are you really that gullible?


I'm more genetically homogenous than every Cuban in that thread. I just went through the list of Americans that I share with at 23andme. xD 99.9% or 100% Euro were the most common result, and nearly all were at least 99%... leaning towards 99.7 or 99.6%.

My mother's side can be rest assured zero Negrid ancestry as she came from Germany [Northern], Ireland and Finland. My father's side is literally 75% British and 25% French. Now only one ancestor of mine could have owned slaves. However he would have lost them due to the confiscation of land and property in the late 1700s when Imperial British loyalists lost all property and were kicked out into Ontario Canada. My ancestors from Northern New York owned alot of land and a large estate......the name of them is still there. The Eamer family or Von Eamers. They were prominent in the community they came from and were the only possible ancestors here that I had. However none of them were ever recorded as being black or mongrel so I can rest assure that I do not have that evil DNA running in my veins.

[Isleño]

They posted on the Latino section that white Cubans on the island were like 14.5% non-white on average on a new study.

The average European, African and Native American ancestry in those self-reporting to be “blanco” were 86%, 6.7% and 7.8%


http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1004488#pgen-1004488-g001Yes, but two things wrong with that.

1.) It's no secret that Cuba is now majority non-white now since the great white flight of the island, and that mixing happened more after Castro came to power and many whites left. But even that 14.5% is not a true representative of white population segments as a whole in Cuba, surely because it's just a mean average total, meaning it's just a total of all the results added up. So for example if you had some 97% Euro white Cubans that tested but you had some that said they were white and actually had high admixture test, and those results were added to the total coming out to 14.5%. That doesn't show you that there are many white Cubans in Cuba today that are in the 90%+ range. Mean averages are not true representations of certain segments of the population.

2.) Whites that left Cuba for the U.S. are not adding people with large non-white admixtures in the way of what is starting to happen in Cuba today. Surely there are many whites still in Cuba, but their numbers are shrinking and will shrink since after Castro and the exile, more whites in Cuba have been mixing with significantly admixed people. But again 14.5% is only a mean average and doesn't represent white Cubans in Cuba today that are in the 90%+ Euro range. If you count 10 whites in the 90%+ range, but then all of a sudden you have a few that said they are white and are quadroons or something, surely that will lower the average mean. So it's not truly representative of the white Cuban population segments.

We can see from the 23andme results of Cubans/Cuban-Americans, a great majority of them are whites.

[LightHouse89]

Yes, but two things wrong with that.

1.) It's no secret that Cuba is now majority non-white now since the great white flight of the island, and that mixing happened more after Castro came to power and many whites left. But even that 14.5% is not a true representative of white population segments as a whole in Cuba, surely because it's just a mean average total, meaning it's just a total of all the results added up. So for example if you had some 97% Euro white Cubans that tested but you had some that said they were white and actually had high admixture test, and those results were added to the total coming out to 14.5%. That doesn't show you that there are many white Cubans in Cuba today that are in the 90%+ range. Mean averages are not true representations of certain segments of the population.

2.) Whites that left Cuba for the U.S. are not adding people with large non-white admixtures in the way of what is starting to happen in Cuba today. Surely there are many whites still in Cuba, but their numbers are shrinking and will shrink since after Castro and the exile, more whites in Cuba have been mixing with significantly admixed people. But again 14.5% is only a mean average and doesn't represent white Cubans in Cuba today that are in the 90%+ Euro range. If you count 10 whites in the 90%+ range, but then all of a sudden you have a few that said they are white and are quadroons or something, surely that will lower the average mean. So it's not truly representative of the white Cuban population segments.

We can see from the 23andme results of Cubans/Cuban-Americans, a great majority of them are whites.

I need to sign up to this site so I can compare my results.

[Isleño]

I need to sign up to this site so I can compare my results.What kind of DNA results do you get?

[LightHouse89]

What kind of DNA results do you get?

Dont know I have yet to take the test LOL. I doubt it is that accurate if it is not a direct blood sample which I would prefer such a test that was dead accurate.

[Isleño]

I've read the OP... Have you? About 96% of white Americans have under 1% of black ancestry. (Most of the 4% that are higher than 1% are just a little bit above that, btw... You seem to be under the impression that the 4% are quadroons or something. xD)


And where do you get this idea that Italian Americans are purer or whatever? xD Because they claim to be? Italians live in the most diverse immigrant hubs of the nation and like to hold on to their identity. Are you really that gullible?


I'm more genetically homogenous than every Cuban in that thread. I just went through the list of Americans that I share with at 23andme. xD 99.9% or 100% Euro were the most common result, and nearly all were at least 99%... leaning towards 99.7 or 99.6%.

Are you from a very white area with a very white history? I know that although white Cubans are very white, I've probably seen more white Americans in the highest Euro range than Cubans (although there are a great number of Cubans that are too), but I do admit, I've seen quite a few results of WhAm's with scores that are lower than 99%/100% and were in the 95% range. I've seen a few in Louisiana that were in the 90%-92% range. So maybe it's regional?

[Isleño]

Dont know I have yet to take the test LOL. I doubt it is that accurate if it is not a direct blood sample which I would prefer such a test that was dead accurate.

You have not tested yet? Lol, what would you do if your results said like 5% SSA? Lol, I know being you, you would die, lol

[LightHouse89]

You have not tested yet? Lol, what would you do if your results said like 5% SSA? Lol, I know being you, you would die, lol

I know they wont. Because I have family records going back to the earliest period here. My entire mother's side comes from an isolated area of europe....no slavery existed there and my father's side is 75% british/irish so that leaves the 25% part of his ancestry from northern france.....it just seems highly unlikely I have negrid ancestry of any percent.

[Gauthier]

Yes, but two things wrong with that.

1.) It's no secret that Cuba is now majority non-white now since the great white flight of the island, and that mixing happened more after Castro came to power and many whites left. But even that 14.5% is not a true representative of white population segments as a whole in Cuba, surely because it's just a mean average total, meaning it's just a total of all the results added up. So for example if you had some 97% Euro white Cubans that tested but you had some that said they were white and actually had high admixture test, and those results were added to the total coming out to 14.5%. That doesn't show you that there are many white Cubans in Cuba today that are in the 90%+ range. Mean averages are not true representations of certain segments of the population.

2.) Whites that left Cuba for the U.S. are not adding people with large non-white admixtures in the way of what is starting to happen in Cuba today. Surely there are many whites still in Cuba, but their numbers are shrinking and will shrink since after Castro and the exile, more whites in Cuba have been mixing with significantly admixed people. But again 14.5% is only a mean average and doesn't represent white Cubans in Cuba today that are in the 90%+ Euro range. If you count 10 whites in the 90%+ range, but then all of a sudden you have a few that said they are white and are quadroons or something, surely that will lower the average mean. So it's not truly representative of the white Cuban population segments.

We can see from the 23andme results of Cubans/Cuban-Americans, a great majority of them are whites.


It will be interesting to see how these other Cubans score. They always show up on Mexican coasts and use our country as a trampoline to get into the US.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/rN5J7d.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/iqrN5J7dj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/MYMeBp.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/iqMYMeBpj)
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[Isleño]

I know they wont. Because I have family records going back to the earliest period here. My entire mother's side comes from an isolated area of europe....no slavery existed there and my father's side is 75% british/irish so that leaves the 25% part of his ancestry from northern france.....it just seems highly unlikely I have negrid ancestry of any percent.

I'm not saying you do, but you never know. In order to know you don't accurately, you'd have to have a paper trail on every ancestor in your tree that was born in the USA. If you descend from colonials, that's a lot of paper trail to track on each and every ancestor born in the USA. I suggest you take a DNA test to find out. I know a few white Americans that tested and have seen their results, some of them did not have SSA and some did, but at low levels like 0.3% or 0.7%. I have however saw a couple of white American results from the deep south that did have like 1.3% for example. But most of the WhAm's that I saw, didn't have it or barely existent. I have seen a few with a few percent Native American though.

[Isleño]

It will be interesting to see how these other Cubans score. They always show up on Mexican coasts and use our country as a trampoline to get into the US.

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Those look like mixed Cubans, not like the ones I saw when I lived in Florida. I lived in Florida for 2 years and I have some Cuban cousins from a branch of my family that settled Cuba, although me not being Cuban at all.

Oh, and I should have mentioned that I meant Cubans in the U.S. when I mentioned a great majority of their results were very Euro.

[Argentano]

I know they wont. Because I have family records going back to the earliest period here. My entire mother's side comes from an isolated area of europe....no slavery existed there and my father's side is 75% british/irish so that leaves the 25% part of his ancestry from northern france.....it just seems highly unlikely I have negrid ancestry of any percent.

would you even care if you were 1-4% african? would you feel it affects you in anyway?

[Isleño]

would you even care if you were 1-4% african? would you feel it affects you in anyway?

I think some people it would bother, others it wouldn't.

[Samanta Fabris]

They posted on the Latino section that white Cubans on the island were like 14.5% non-white on average on a new study.

The average European, African and Native American ancestry in those self-reporting to be “blanco” were 86%, 6.7% and 7.8%


http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1004488#pgen-1004488-g001

So the average white Cuban scores 15% of SSA and Amerindian admixture, doesn't he?

Don't tell that to the swarty skinned Moro Vjejo. He will claim that those results are part of an anti Hispanic consiparcy by the Reptilians of Alpha Centauri.

Iberians are famous for mixing with everything that breathes. Jews, Moors, Phoenicians, Black Slaves.... it make no difference for them.

Only Mongrel Vjejo and few other lunatics could dream of a glorious past of racial purity and inquisition. LOL.

[LightHouse89]

I'm not saying you do, but you never know. In order to know you don't accurately, you'd have to have a paper trail on every ancestor in your tree that was born in the USA. If you descend from colonials, that's a lot of paper trail to track on each and every ancestor born in the USA. I suggest you take a DNA test to find out. I know a few white Americans that tested and have seen their results, some of them did not have SSA and some did, but at low levels like 0.3% or 0.7%. I have however saw a couple of white American results from the deep south that did have like 1.3% for example. But most of the WhAm's that I saw, didn't have it or barely existent. I have seen a few with a few percent Native American though.

Native America or Mestizo would be odd for me if it showed up but on the french side not a shocker. Black? I doubt it. No buddy mixed with them up here.

[LightHouse89]

would you even care if you were 1-4% african? would you feel it affects you in anyway?

Yes......being in any way related to those animals would be depressing.

[LightHouse89]

Those look like mixed Cubans, not like the ones I saw when I lived in Florida. I lived in Florida for 2 years and I have some Cuban cousins from a branch of my family that settled Cuba, although me not being Cuban at all.

Oh, and I should have mentioned that I meant Cubans in the U.S. when I mentioned a great majority of their results were very Euro.

the east coast here has mostly white cubans and some mestizo cubans thats it. we get afro-mestizos though from puerto rico.

[Styrian Mujo]

the east coast here has mostly white cubans and some mestizo cubans thats it. we get afro-mestizos though from puerto rico.
Not sure about this but I think I read somewhere that some Cubans have Sephardic Jewish ancestry.

[LightHouse89]

Not sure about this but I think I read somewhere that some Cubans have Sephardic Jewish ancestry.

Only a minority do. Jews were wide spread throughout the colonies of Spain. You wont be shocked that anti-semitism is high in south america compared to where I live.

[Balmung]

Interesting. Still, White Americans are much more genuinely European genetically than most 'Whites' on the other side of the Rio Grande.

You could say in some cases we're even whiter than some European countries same for Australians. You don't really catch many Aussie/American whites with those off north african or asiatic features. Like Anglojew said sometimes the difference between Aussies and actual English people can be like night and day. We were a bottlenecked lot from specific regions from countries of Europe who mostly mixed with each other. So your typical anglo aussies might just be more English than a lot of actual English people. European nations are small, compact and not so spaced out so ofcourse there would be more mixing between neighbours than a country of whites isolated from other whites of varying phenotypes.

[RMuller]

So the average white Cuban scores 15% of SSA and Amerindian admixture, doesn't he?

Yeah that's what the test results are. It was a wide study on the island based on race- Whites,mulatos and Afro-Cubans and it was done on every province. I think it's the best DNA study done on Cuba so far. I was surprised that Cubans average between 6-15% Amerindian.

[Leto]

the east coast here has mostly white cubans and some mestizo cubans thats it. we get afro-mestizos though from puerto rico.
Could someone tell me fucking WHY 75% of PR's population are counted as WHITE if they are mostly "afro-mestizos"?!

[LightHouse89]

Could someone tell me fucking WHY 75% of PR's population are counted as WHITE if they are mostly "afro-mestizos"?!

they probably report themselves as that. there are some 'white or euro' puerto ricans but they are not all that common.
they hardly ever immigrate here.

[Tobi]

Why these mixed americans and also afrikaners can be "white" and a mixed latin american not?

If you post a brazilian, argentinian or Cuban here with this results this person will probably considered a brown or whatever, but mixed americans are mixed and still white. Funny!

[Samanta Fabris]

I don't if someone has already posted this.

Anti-miscegenation laws in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States

In gray states who had no anti racemix laws.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/US_miscegenation.svg/500px-US_miscegenation.svg.png

[LightHouse89]

Why these mixed americans and also afrikaners can be "white" and a mixed latin american not?

If you post a brazilian, argentinian or Cuban here with this results this person will probably considered a brown or whatever, but mixed americans are mixed and still white. Funny!

White =European. Mestizo=Half white and half native american. That is the difference okay.

The majority of south americans who come here are not the european south americans but afro-mestizos where I live, full natives or mestizos [mostly only in the south west]. Okay!?

[Tobi]

White =European. Mestizo=Half white and half native american. That is the difference okay.

The majority of south americans who come here are not the european south americans but afro-mestizos where I live, full natives or mestizos [mostly only in the south west]. Okay!?

The whites latin americans usually are middle class, upper middle class or upper class, they usually don't need migrate to have a job or better quality of life.

The brazilian tourists in USA are mostly whites, for example.

Edt:

One drop rule: whites are 100% european persons, so these americans aren't whites by your racial laws

[LightHouse89]

The whites latin americans usually are middle class, upper middle class or upper class, they usually don't need migrate to have a job or better quality of life.

The brazilian tourists in USA are mostly whites, for example.

Edt:

One drop rule: whites are 100% european persons, so these americans aren't whites by your racial laws

One drop rule meant black DNA.....black DNA makes you black if it is like 10% of your background you were considered black. People in many places with 5% native american were considered still white.

[Cristiano viejo]

So the average white Cuban scores 15% of SSA and Amerindian admixture, doesn't he?
No, mongrel, no. Read:


Yes, but two things wrong with that.

1.) It's no secret that Cuba is now majority non-white now since the great white flight of the island, and that mixing happened more after Castro came to power and many whites left. But even that 14.5% is not a true representative of white population segments as a whole in Cuba, surely because it's just a mean average total, meaning it's just a total of all the results added up. So for example if you had some 97% Euro white Cubans that tested but you had some that said they were white and actually had high admixture test, and those results were added to the total coming out to 14.5%. That doesn't show you that there are many white Cubans in Cuba today that are in the 90%+ range. Mean averages are not true representations of certain segments of the population.

2.) Whites that left Cuba for the U.S. are not adding people with large non-white admixtures in the way of what is starting to happen in Cuba today. Surely there are many whites still in Cuba, but their numbers are shrinking and will shrink since after Castro and the exile, more whites in Cuba have been mixing with significantly admixed people. But again 14.5% is only a mean average and doesn't represent white Cubans in Cuba today that are in the 90%+ Euro range. If you count 10 whites in the 90%+ range, but then all of a sudden you have a few that said they are white and are quadroons or something, surely that will lower the average mean. So it's not truly representative of the white Cuban population segments.

We can see from the 23andme results of Cubans/Cuban-Americans, a great majority of them are whites.

And here you have the results of some Cubans (nor even only White Cubans). You would kille your mother for having these results. Where do you see 15% SSA (1*), mongrel brain? http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112969-Cuban-23andme-Results



Don't tell that to the swarty skinned Moro Vjejo. He will claim that those results are part of an anti Hispanic consiparcy by the Reptilians of Alpha Centauri.

Iberians are famous for mixing with everything that breathes. Jews, Moors, Phoenicians, Black Slaves.... it make no difference for them.

Only Mongrel Vjejo and few other lunatics could dream of a glorious past of racial purity and inquisition. LOL.
An Italian talking about Arabs, black slaves or Phoenicians is very funny :lol:


Why these mixed americans and also afrikaners can be "white" and a mixed latin american not?

If you post a brazilian, argentinian or Cuban here with this results this person will probably considered a brown or whatever, but mixed americans are mixed and still white. Funny!
Anglo things :rolleyes:
Good point btw, that is what I am telling since I start to post in this thread.


I don't if someone has already posted this.

Anti-miscegenation laws in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States

In gray states who had no anti racemix laws.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/US_miscegenation.svg/500px-US_miscegenation.svg.png

These laws mean nothing, miscegenation in US happened since the first times of the colonization. Melungeons are a good proof.
You are retarded and dont understand it, but however you talk about Spanish Inquisition hehe, at least they expelled scum like you, unlike Americans.

[Tooting Carmen]

The whites latin americans usually are middle class, upper middle class or upper class, they usually don't need migrate to have a job or better quality of life.

The brazilian tourists in USA are mostly whites, for example.

The link between race and social class in Latin American countries is overrated. You can find blondes in the slums and (much more commonly) plenty of dark-skinned people among the middle-classes and to some extent even the upper-classes. In my town in Britain there are lots of Brazilian university students, who we can safely assume are mainly middle and upper-class, and while some are White, the majority resemble Saudis or Moroccans if anything. Furthermore, even White Latin Americans don't usually look like White Americans anyway - they have very low levels of light hair/eyes for a start. Here are some upper-class children from Bogota (I visited the city last month - it is where my Mum comes from). While it is certainly true that they are Whiter than the average, darker-skinned Mestizos are still in abundance too. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?140727-Classify-some-children-from-a-private-school-in-Bogota-Colombia

[Tobi]

The link between race and social class in Latin American countries is overrated. You can find blondes in the slums and (much more commonly) plenty of dark-skinned people among the middle-classes and to some extent even the upper-classes. In my town there are lots of Brazilian university students, who we can safely assume are mainly middle and upper-class, and while some are White, the majority resemble Saudis or Moroccans if anything. Furthermore, even White Latin Americans don't usually look like White Americans anyway - they have very low levels of light hair/eyes for a start. Here are some upper-class children from Bogota (I visited the city last month - it is where my Mum comes from). While it is certainly true that they are Whiter than the average, darker-skinned Mestizos are still in abundance too. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?140727-Classify-some-children-from-a-private-school-in-Bogota-Colombia


I see just only one difference between these latin americans and americans (both mixed): the americans usually are blue eyed pardos and the latino americans not. The rest are the same thing.

We have in Brazil an ascension since 90's of poor to middle class, upper middle class and upper class. That's why there's rich pardos today.

[Tooting Carmen]

I see just only one difference between these latin americans and americans (both mixed): the americans usually are blue eyed pardos and the latino americans not. The rest are the same thing.

We have in Brazil an ascension since 90's of poor to middle class, upper middle class and upper class. That's why there's rich pardos today.

But regardless of which social class they belong to, either way I seriously doubt more than 40% (perhaps 30% even) of Brazilians are White, as the majority I've seen, while they certainly don't look Black as such, are darker-skinned than even the swarthiest Southern Europeans.

[Tobi]

But regardless of which social class they belong to, either way I seriously doubt more than 40% (perhaps 30% even) of Brazilians are White, as the majority I've seen, while they certainly don't look Black as such, are darker-skinned than even the swarthiest Southern Europeans.

You say this because you never been to south of Brazil or São Paulo. Santa Catarina is easily 75% white. And when I say white, I don't say mixed people like these "white" americans.

[Tooting Carmen]

You say this because you never been to south of Brazil or São Paulo. Santa Catarina is easily 75% white. And when I say white, I don't say mixed people like these "white" americans.

Not entirely true - I've visited Parana in fact (Foz do Iguacu more specifically). While there were certainly lots of Whites and light Pardos compared to what I saw in Rio, even it was still clearly less White than anything I saw in neighbouring Argentina.

[Tobi]

Not entirely true - I've visited Parana in fact (Foz do Iguacu more specifically). While there were certainly lots of Whites and light Pardos compared to what I saw in Rio, even it was still clearly less White than anything I saw in neighbouring Argentina.

Foz do Iguaçu is the one of the most mixed cities of Paraná. I can tell it for sure, because I'm from Paraná.

The city has received much migrants from other regions of the country when Itaipu was built.

[Samanta Fabris]

This brown skin is still trying to deny science or what? Genetically Melungeons are probably less admixed than many Iberians. Keep on dreaming Mongrel Vjejo.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon_DNA_Project

[Cristiano viejo]

This brown skin is still trying to deny science or what? Genetically Melungeons are probably less admixed than many Iberians. Keep on dreaming Mongrel Vjejo.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon_DNA_Project
Do you talk about science and automatically after you say "probably"? :lol:
you are a joke, mongrel Italian.
Melungeons are the proof that your previous post is like your brain: crap.

[LightHouse89]

Not entirely true - I've visited Parana in fact (Foz do Iguacu more specifically). While there were certainly lots of Whites and light Pardos compared to what I saw in Rio, even it was still clearly less White than anything I saw in neighbouring Argentina.

I like how the average hair color in my area is blonde and reddish brown, and the eye color is blue...they are the majority for whites yet we are tri-racials and less white than puerto ricans and mulatto Brazilians. LOL.

[Tobi]

I like how the average hair color in my area is blonde and reddish brown, and the eye color is blue...they are the majority for whites yet we are tri-racials and less white than puerto ricans and mulatto Brazilians. LOL.

Why thumbs down? Are you part black or native american?

[LightHouse89]

Why thumbs down? Are you part black or native american?

Not at all nor are 98% of the people here.

[Cristiano viejo]

Why thumbs down? Are you part black or native american?
He is like crazy giving thumbs down. In the last three days he gave around 30 thumbs down to me :blink:

[Tobi]

He is like crazy giving thumbs down. In the last three days he gave around 30 thumbs down to me :blink:

We need a spanish inquisition here to burn these people :mad:
Only iberians catholics will survive.

[Cristiano viejo]

We need a spanish inquisition here to burn these people :mad:
Only iberians catholics will survive.

:lol: good idea.

[Smeagol]

Melungeons are not considered White Americans, so they are irrelevant to this thread.

[Cristiano viejo]

Melungeons are not considered White Americans, so they are irrelevant to this thread.

1) it´s relevant about racial mix in USA, something that all you are deniying.
2) are they not considered whites? humm, people like Elvis Presley are considered White Appalachian trash; the own McCauley considered himself as White even having 3% of Native blood, so I think that in some ways they do are considered whites.

[Smeagol]

1) it´s relevant about racial mix in USA, something that all you are deniying.
2) are they not considered whites? humm, people like Elvis Presley are considered White Appalachian trash; the own McCauley considered himself as White even having 3% of Native blood, so I think that in some ways they do are considered whites.

1: No, I'm not denying racial mix, I'm just pointing out that when there was mixing, the result was almost always considered non-White.

2: No, they are considered triracial, and they are just a small irrelevant people? What do Elvis, and McCauley have to do with Melungeons?

[Tooting Carmen]

Are Dean Cain and Keanu Reeves seen as 'White' in the US, despite their recent East Asian ancestry?

[Cristiano viejo]

1: No, I'm not denying racial mix, I'm just pointing out that when there was mixing, the result was almost always considered non-White.
Thats all what I want to heard.


2: No, they are considered triracial, and they are just a small irrelevant people? What do Elvis, and McCauley have to do with Melungeons?
Both had Native blood, like Melungeons do.

[Smeagol]

Are Dean Cain and Keanu Reeves seen as 'White' in the US, despite their recent East Asian ancestry?

No.

[Also]

Are Dean Cain and Keanu Reeves seen as 'White' in the US, despite their recent East Asian ancestry?

Keanu Reeves always plays white roles.

[Smeagol]

Keanu Reeves always plays white roles.

He's not seen as White by the average American.

[Cristiano viejo]

Keanu Reeves always plays white roles.
Not true 47 Ronin

[LightHouse89]

Are Dean Cain and Keanu Reeves seen as 'White' in the US, despite their recent East Asian ancestry?

no and thye do not look it either only half.

[LightHouse89]

Keanu Reeves always plays white roles.

'white roles' LOL XD I have never laughed so hard.....I dont even know what this means and I live in the biggest multicultural disaster in the word and it still doesnt make sense to me LOL.

[Immortal Technique]

Everything jim crow says is saint so..

[LightHouse89]

This topic is irrelevant if you think about it. Why? Whites will be below 30% of the population in 2 to 3 decades. So it is irrelevant over what is pure or not anymore as it will not endure either way.

[LightHouse89]

Everything jim crow says is saint so..

thanks :thumb001:

[Immortal Technique]

Pleasure bro.

[Oneeye]

Are you from a very white area with a very white history? I know that although white Cubans are very white, I've probably seen more white Americans in the highest Euro range than Cubans (although there are a great number of Cubans that are too), but I do admit, I've seen quite a few results of WhAm's with scores that are lower than 99%/100% and were in the 95% range. I've seen a few in Louisiana that were in the 90%-92% range. So maybe it's regional?


I have ancestry reaching back to the early 1600s here in America on both my mother's and father's sides. (I'm descended from Massachusetts Pilgrims and New Amsterdam Dutchmen) As a result, I have many, many relatives throughout the USA. Nonetheless, my family lives/lived in very white areas. New England, the Midwest, and then the Northwest. However, as I said, I have relatives throughout the US. Virginia is my top location for relatives, followed by England. (funny that they use US states alongside of countries xD)

The least European scoring white American I share with is at 97.4%. Most are in the 99%, with a few in the 98%. The lowest scoring white I share with is some Argentine living in Britain... who scores 93.8%. This is why I'm entertained by the idea that white Americans aren't "white". Obvious agenda is obvious of people that want white Americans to be "less white".

[KidMulat]

Thats all what I want to heard.


Both had Native blood, like Melungeons do.

Only one small family branch has native ancestry a native male line


All other are black and white

[KidMulat]

Melungeons are not considered White Americans, so they are irrelevant to this thread.

They've been white since the 1950's and 60's, even before Jim Crow ended most of the families had assimilated dude.

[Bandit Cole Younger]

All this talk of whiteness..... utterly ridiculous, and ultimately it's irrelevant. There are more important things in life.

[KidMulat]

All this talk of whiteness..... utterly ridiculous, and ultimately it's irrelevent. There are more important things in life.

New Worlders and colonials tend to get a bit tight over "muh whiteness"

Its just the reality of it.

[Leto]

No.
Everyone passing as white is seen as such.

[Samanta Fabris]

However this research doesn't look very reliable to me. After all it is based on self reported data from a commercial company.

The CEU cluster, made up of American whites from Utah, has been available for at least 6 years and it is as pure wihte as it gets.

The ethnic composition of Utah. AngloGermanic and Scandinavian ancestries predominate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Utah#Race_and_ancestry

Utah had some of the strictest Anti-miscegenation laws in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States

[LightHouse89]

However this research doesn't look very reliable to me. After all it is based on self reported data from a commercial company.

The CEU cluster, made up of American whites from Utah, has been available for at least 6 years and it is as pure wihte as it gets.

The ethnic composition of Utah. AngloGermanic and Scandinavian ancestries predominate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Utah#Race_and_ancestry

Utah had some of the strictest Anti-miscegenation laws in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States

rural new england is pretty pure.....the entire population looks either wicked British/Irish or French. Every white person here though mostly looks British/Irish though, unless they are recent immigrants or whites who live in the cities.

[Samanta Fabris]

There are very few if any French among rural White Americans. AngloTeutonic and Scando ancestries predominate.

[Cristiano viejo]

There are very few if any French among rural White Americans. AngloTeutonic and Scando ancestries predominate.

Your ignorance is infinite. Ask who are the Cajuns.

[Samanta Fabris]

Your ignorance is infinite. Ask who are the Cajuns.

Say the mongrel. There are just a 1 milion of Cajuns and they only live in Lousiana and Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajun

In green areas settled by Cajuns.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Census_Bureau_2000%2C_Cajuns_in_the_United_States. png

[Cristiano viejo]

Say the mongrel. There are just a 1 milion of Cajuns and they only live in Lousiana and Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajun

In green areas settled by Cajuns.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Census_Bureau_2000%2C_Cajuns_in_the_United_States. png

1 millionf of Cajuns is not "few French if any", hooked nose Italian. You are an ignorant and you have show it again :icon_lol:

[Samanta Fabris]

1 millionf of Cajuns is not "few French if any", hooked nose Italian. You are an ignorant and you have show it again :icon_lol:

What are you babbling about, Moro Vjejo? Compared to the total number of White Americans of NW euro stock, they are an insignificant minority. Do they even teach math in Spain Africa or is is considered as a n evil anglo science? LOL

[Leto]

The French ancestry is actually one of the biggest ones in the US.

French Americans (French: Américains français), also called Franco-Americans (French: Franco-Américains), are Americans of French or French Canadian descent. About 11.8 million U.S. residents are of French or French Canadian descent, and about 2 million speak French at home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_American

[Samanta Fabris]

The French ancestry is actually one of the biggest ones in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_American

They are numerous in Lousiana and the North East Coast states like Maine and New England. Nothing to do with rural white Americans of NW Euro stock (AngloTeutonic and Scando).

[Oneeye]

New Worlders and colonials tend to get a bit tight over "muh whiteness"

Its just the reality of it.


Offhand remarks like this, are why you don't have any friends.

[LightHouse89]

There are very few if any French among rural White Americans. AngloTeutonic and Scando ancestries predominate.

not true.....come to new england they are everywhere. Also northern new york....two actors from here Mark Wahlberg and Ben Affleck both have french ancestry.

[LightHouse89]

They are numerous in Lousiana and the North East Coast states like Maine and New England. Nothing to do with rural white Americans of NW Euro stock (AngloTeutonic and Scando).

LOL not true at all I have 1/8th french ancestry....as do many people here and I am rural....my dad comes from rural new york all farm land. the french here can be seen as red necks in the north east by the WASPs....but WASPs and Irish people are notorious here with inter marrying with them.

[LightHouse89]

The French ancestry is actually one of the biggest ones in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_American

French, German, Irish and British are the most reported ancestries nationally. All four groups can be found here or should I say they are mostly all mixed.....it is getting less common to meet people with pure specific nationality origins....except recent immigrants and the upper class WASPs.

[LightHouse89]

1 millionf of Cajuns is not "few French if any", hooked nose Italian. You are an ignorant and you have show it again :icon_lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_American

Actors like Mark Wahlberg and Ben Affleck have French ancestry and it shows in the phenotype XD There is alot of them and they have been here for a long time.....it is funny the french never immigrated to other colonies but instead came to America or Quebec like my grandmother's father.

[LightHouse89]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Census_Bureau_Scottish_Americans_in_the_United_Sta tes.gif

scottish is another biggy here. makes sense to judging by local culture with bag pipe music.

[Cristiano viejo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_American

Actors like Mark Wahlberg and Ben Affleck have French ancestry and it shows in the phenotype XD There is alot of them and they have been here for a long time.....it is funny the french never immigrated to other colonies but instead came to America or Quebec like my grandmother's father.
French in Lousiana are there thanks to Spain, since that they were expelled by British of the current Canada (Acadia). They were let to arrive to Spanish Lousiana because they were Catholics :)

And because this, they, French Cajuns, have the Castilian castle in their flag, in the honour of Spain

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_Acadiana.svg/250px-Flag_of_Acadiana.svg.png

[Aviator]

What are you guys even arguing over at this point?

[LightHouse89]

French in Lousiana are there thanks to Spain, since that they were expelled by British of the current Canada (Acadia). They were let to arrive to Spanish Lousiana because they were Catholics :)

And because this, they, French Cajuns, have the Castilian castle in their flag, in the honour of Spain

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_Acadiana.svg/250px-Flag_of_Acadiana.svg.png

Arcadians live here too in New England FYI. However there is a difference between the Cajuns and New England frogs.

[LightHouse89]

What are you guys even arguing over at this point?

who is more white south american whites or north american whites. then it evolved into other smaller arguments which De-railed the subject.

[RMuller]

Do you know how many Spaniards were to America? I guess the answer is no. Very, very, very few, nothing to do with Anglos. And in a bigger area. People believe that any Latino has certain amount of Spanish blood but thats is bullshit. Most of them are purely Natives, or/and mixed with slave blacks mainly.

Most Latinos are not pure natives. Even most Amerindians have some Spanish blood and most natives did not mix with blacks. Plenty of DNA test back up what i said.

[Leto]

French, German, Irish and British are the most reported ancestries nationally. All four groups can be found here or should I say they are mostly all mixed.....it is getting less common to meet people with pure specific nationality origins....except recent immigrants and the upper class WASPs.
Italians are also very numerous and intermixed with others.

[Cristiano viejo]

Most Latinos are not pure natives. Even most Amerindians have some Spanish blood and most natives did not mix with blacks. Plenty of DNA test back up what i said.

Sorry, I cant not believe that a few hundred of thousands Spaniards changed the phenotype/genotype of hundred of millions of Amerindians.

[Tooting Carmen]

Sorry, I cant not believe that a few hundred of thousands Spaniards changed the phenotype/genotype of hundred of millions of Amerindians.

It's the opposite of what he said. Even many of the seemingly 'White' Latin Americans have admixed features. For example, this Senator from Bogota may be blonde and blue-eyed, but look at her eye shape and bone structure: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?144241-Classify-Colombian-Senator-Alexandra-Moreno-Piraquive

[RMuller]

Sorry, I cant not believe that a few hundred of thousands Spaniards changed the phenotype/genotype of hundred of millions of Amerindians.

You probably don't know much about Latin American history.
Millions of Spaniards settled in Latin America.And most were men. Many of these Spaniards had up to 15 concubine .An alpha male can get up to 6 women pregnant every day.
There was not hundreds of millions of Amerindians.
Even most amerindians have between 1-10% Spanish genes.


AMERINDIAN (MEXICO)
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Amerindian_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from regions in central Mexico. These are the descendants of the original settlers of the Americas over 15,000 years ago, accounting for the 83% Native American percentage. The 5% Northern European, 4% Mediterranean, 3% Southwest Asian come from recent migrations to the Americas by Europeans over the past 500 years. The 4% Northeast Asian component is reflective of the origins of the Native Americans in northeastern Asia over 20,000 years ago.





HIGHLAND PERUVIAN
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Highland-Peruvian-_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from populations living in the Peruvian Andes. People in this region are predominantly Native American (95%) with a small amount of more recent admixture with European populations (2% Mediterranean, 2% Northern European) in the past 500 years, during the Spanish colonial era.







MEXICAN-AMERICAN
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/populations_Mexican-American_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from Mexican-Americans living in Los Angeles, California, and is reflective of the broad range of genetic diversity that many ethnic populations in present-day North America carry. The mixture of regions reflected here is due to original groups that populated the Americas (36% Native American and 2% Southeast Asian) with more recent influence from integration with European Americans (28% Mediterranean, 20% Northern European, 8% Southwest Asian) and (4% sub-Saharan African). The Mediterranean, northern European, and southwest Asian components are reflective of the ancient genetic patterns in Europe.




PERUVIANS FROM LIMA
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Peruvians-from-Lima_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from Peruvians living in the capital, Lima. People in this region are predominantly Native American (68%) with a significant amount of more recent admixture with European populations in the past 500 years during the Spanish colonial era (comprising the 15% Mediterranean, 10% Northern European, and 3% Southwest Asian components, which reflect ancient migrations in Europe over the past 40,000 years). There is also a small amount of sub-Saharan African (2%) due to the significant African slave trade in the 16th-19th centuries.

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/


Latinos DNA results with their pictures.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?139905-LATINO-23ANDME-GENETIC-RESULTS-WITH-PICTURES

[Oneeye]

You probably don't know much about Latin American history.
Millions of Spaniards settled in Latin America.And most were men. Many of these Spaniards had up to 15 concubine .An alpha male can get up to 6 women pregnant every day.
There was not hundreds of millions of Amerindians.
Even most amerindians have between 1-10% Spanish genes.


AMERINDIAN (MEXICO)
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Amerindian_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from regions in central Mexico. These are the descendants of the original settlers of the Americas over 15,000 years ago, accounting for the 83% Native American percentage. The 5% Northern European, 4% Mediterranean, 3% Southwest Asian come from recent migrations to the Americas by Europeans over the past 500 years. The 4% Northeast Asian component is reflective of the origins of the Native Americans in northeastern Asia over 20,000 years ago.





HIGHLAND PERUVIAN
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Highland-Peruvian-_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from populations living in the Peruvian Andes. People in this region are predominantly Native American (95%) with a small amount of more recent admixture with European populations (2% Mediterranean, 2% Northern European) in the past 500 years, during the Spanish colonial era.







MEXICAN-AMERICAN
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/populations_Mexican-American_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from Mexican-Americans living in Los Angeles, California, and is reflective of the broad range of genetic diversity that many ethnic populations in present-day North America carry. The mixture of regions reflected here is due to original groups that populated the Americas (36% Native American and 2% Southeast Asian) with more recent influence from integration with European Americans (28% Mediterranean, 20% Northern European, 8% Southwest Asian) and (4% sub-Saharan African). The Mediterranean, northern European, and southwest Asian components are reflective of the ancient genetic patterns in Europe.




PERUVIANS FROM LIMA
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Peruvians-from-Lima_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from Peruvians living in the capital, Lima. People in this region are predominantly Native American (68%) with a significant amount of more recent admixture with European populations in the past 500 years during the Spanish colonial era (comprising the 15% Mediterranean, 10% Northern European, and 3% Southwest Asian components, which reflect ancient migrations in Europe over the past 40,000 years). There is also a small amount of sub-Saharan African (2%) due to the significant African slave trade in the 16th-19th centuries.

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/


Latinos DNA results with their pictures.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?139905-LATINO-23ANDME-GENETIC-RESULTS-WITH-PICTURES



It's to be expected of men who had to take such a long journey. And didn't immigration from Spain continue on after the conquistidores?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Interesting. Still, White Americans are much more genuinely European genetically than most 'Whites' on the other side of the Rio Grande.

You say that because most of them descendent from Northern Europeans and anything that don't look Nordic or Northern European is less "white" to you.

[Oneeye]

You say that because most of them descendent from Northern Europeans and anything that don't look Nordic or Northern European is less "white" to you.

I don't know why he says it, but I say it because our "whites" tend to have less non-Caucasoid autosomal segments than Latin American nations. Not as a put down, but rather as a rebuff to purists.

[Leto]

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

Muchas gracias for this link, it's very interesting. I didn't know Russians were 18% Southwest Asian. :rolleyes:

[RMuller]

It's to be expected of men who had to take such a long journey. And didn't immigration from Spain continue on after the conquistidores?

Yes Spanish immigration continued after the conquistadores arrived in Mexico and Peru. And over 90% were single men. It was until 1850-1975 that Spaniards came as families with Spanish females coming at almost the same rate as Spanish men.

[Longbowman]

Muchas gracias for this link, it's very interesting. I didn't know Russians were 18% Southwest Asian. :rolleyes:

I hope that's not a sarcastic eye roll, nearly all Europeans have significant Southwest Asian from the Neolithic Revolution.

[Oneeye]

LOL "Neolithic revolution" WIN

[Longbowman]

LOL "Neolithic revolution" WIN

Pardon me?

[LightHouse89]

Italians are also very numerous and intermixed with others.

Italians did form some towns....like the town of Milford here is pretty much just Italian and some Portuguese people. However outside of that area most of them are admixed.....it is a shame they have disappeared from Boston....this could be because of the Haitians moving there and Caribbeans which are low class, and basically cause the collapse of local economy as they have done in the city I am currently in. Crime goes up.....then white fight happens because we refuse to live in it. I was once called a racist because a bunch of people at my school said 'Well how intolerant it is that white fight happens.....it proves white people are racist :rolleyes:'....I remeber telling this moron liberal 'well maybe they [us] refuse to live in an area loaded with crime, prostitution, drugs and foreign culture?'' Then it happens....'You racist intolerant Nazi' blah blah......go back to the hills hillbilly.....I just say to them 'I will :cool: no welfare handout system there!' .

[Oneeye]

Pardon me?

Makes it sound like it was some big party up in here. xD

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't know why he says it, but I say it because our "whites" tend to have less non-Caucasoid autosomal segments than Latin American nations. Not as a put down, but rather as a rebuff to purists.

Same with me too.

[Tooting Carmen]

I hope that's not a sarcastic eye roll, nearly all Europeans have significant Southwest Asian from the Neolithic Revolution.

Outside SE Europe it barely exceeds 3%, so not really.

[LightHouse89]

You say that because most of them descendent from Northern Europeans and anything that don't look Nordic or Northern European is less "white" to you.

Before he claimed south american whites were more pure than north american whites LOL. The thing is Mestizos are probably the majority of South Americans but then again this depends on where in South America we are talking about. Argentina to me is probably the most European with pockets all over from southern brazil north wards there are people of european descent. Not all whites where I live look ultra Nordic either. Here judging by who can tan you see continental type europeans who can tan and then insular europeans [british/irish] who could not tan if life depended on it.

[LightHouse89]

Sorry, I cant not believe that a few hundred of thousands Spaniards changed the phenotype/genotype of hundred of millions of Amerindians.

In central america? Not at all....they are pretty much 100% native.....in mexico it is different the majority are mestizos...but there are people from there who are mostly european. I have met some before actually. One of my friends is an Anglo-Mexican. British father and Iberian mother. He looks wicked celtic and could pass in Britain [He looks like a Welsh or Irish person in the south].

[Tooting Carmen]

Before he claimed south american whites were more pure than north american whites LOL. The thing is Mestizos are probably the majority of South Americans but then again this depends on where in South America we are talking about. Argentina to me is probably the most European with pockets all over from southern brazil north wards there are people of european descent. Not all whites where I live look ultra Nordic either. Here judging by who can tan you see continental type europeans who can tan and then insular europeans [british/irish] who could not tan if life depended on it.

No I didn't say that - you're confusing me with Cristiano Viejo. I said from the start that all the genetic evidence shows that North American Whites are, by and large, less admixed than their Latin American counterparts.

[LightHouse89]

I hope that's not a sarcastic eye roll, nearly all Europeans have significant Southwest Asian from the Neolithic Revolution.

Yes from more archaic roots. Then Indo-European arrived and conquered the Hippy Neolithics. :cool:

[LightHouse89]

No I didn't say that - you're confusing me with Cristiano Viejo. I said from the start that all the genetic evidence shows that North American Whites are, by and large, less admixed than their Latin American counterparts.

Except we do have the Metis up here but they are less common than Europeans which is odd.

[Cristiano viejo]

You probably don't know much about Latin American history.
Millions of Spaniards settled in Latin America.And most were men. Many of these Spaniards had up to 15 concubine .An alpha male can get up to 6 women pregnant every day.
There was not hundreds of millions of Amerindians.
Even most amerindians have between 1-10% Spanish genes.


AMERINDIAN (MEXICO)
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Amerindian_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from regions in central Mexico. These are the descendants of the original settlers of the Americas over 15,000 years ago, accounting for the 83% Native American percentage. The 5% Northern European, 4% Mediterranean, 3% Southwest Asian come from recent migrations to the Americas by Europeans over the past 500 years. The 4% Northeast Asian component is reflective of the origins of the Native Americans in northeastern Asia over 20,000 years ago.





HIGHLAND PERUVIAN
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Highland-Peruvian-_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from populations living in the Peruvian Andes. People in this region are predominantly Native American (95%) with a small amount of more recent admixture with European populations (2% Mediterranean, 2% Northern European) in the past 500 years, during the Spanish colonial era.







MEXICAN-AMERICAN
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/populations_Mexican-American_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from Mexican-Americans living in Los Angeles, California, and is reflective of the broad range of genetic diversity that many ethnic populations in present-day North America carry. The mixture of regions reflected here is due to original groups that populated the Americas (36% Native American and 2% Southeast Asian) with more recent influence from integration with European Americans (28% Mediterranean, 20% Northern European, 8% Southwest Asian) and (4% sub-Saharan African). The Mediterranean, northern European, and southwest Asian components are reflective of the ancient genetic patterns in Europe.




PERUVIANS FROM LIMA
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Peruvians-from-Lima_575.png
This reference population is based on samples collected from Peruvians living in the capital, Lima. People in this region are predominantly Native American (68%) with a significant amount of more recent admixture with European populations in the past 500 years during the Spanish colonial era (comprising the 15% Mediterranean, 10% Northern European, and 3% Southwest Asian components, which reflect ancient migrations in Europe over the past 40,000 years). There is also a small amount of sub-Saharan African (2%) due to the significant African slave trade in the 16th-19th centuries.

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/


Latinos DNA results with their pictures.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?139905-LATINO-23ANDME-GENETIC-RESULTS-WITH-PICTURES

We are alphas :D but these figures suck


¿Cuántos españoles emigraron entre 1882- 1935?

El desplazamiento de millones de españoles, llamado por Sánchez-Albornoz emigración
en masa, fue registrado desde 1882 por el Instituto Geográfico y Estadístico, a partir del
movimiento anual de entradas y salidas de pasajeros de los puertos españoles. Las series
obtenidas gracias a esta fuente cifran en alrededor de 3 millones y medio los españoles
que partieron a América, aunque estimaciones posteriores sitúan la corriente emigratoria
entre 1882 y 1935 en torno a los 4,7 millones de personas.

Del total de estos emigrantes, el 57% volvieron a España; es decir que el número de
retornados supera al de los que se quedaron definitivamente en el otro continente.


http://ww.migraventura.net/sites/default/files/memoria_espanola_def.pdf

before these dates there is not accurate data.
We are talking about three fucking centuries (more or less), with no mass migration at the beginning.
According your figures&pics, there is more Northern admixture than Mediterranean (ie Spaniards). What is this, a joke?

And again, I refuse to buy that shit, people like this must have like 0% of Spanish blood

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7n71KdrZtBPkdFOAIVMXmdU8acCl4B xcabcuhoaip1TOzDKUR

there are hundred of millions of Latins so. Where is the racial mix of the Spaniards with them?:coffee:
I just can not believe than a few hundred of thousands of whoever can change the taxonomy of a whole continent.

[Longbowman]

Outside SE Europe it barely exceeds 3%, so not really.

Once upon a time, even Scandinavia was hugely SWE (see Gokhem).

[TheForeigner]

Makes it sound like it was some big party up in here. xD

Lol Oneye. is you signature gif from Comedy Central or something? Who are those people?

[Leto]

I hope that's not a sarcastic eye roll, nearly all Europeans have significant Southwest Asian from the Neolithic Revolution.
Yeah, I've seen it there in others as well.

[RMuller]

We are alphas :D but these figures suck

The Spanish conquistadores and the Spaniards that settled in Latin America between 1492-1800 were Alpha's .they liked to spread their genes. Not sure how it is in Spain.





before these dates there is not accurate data.
We are talking about three fucking centuries (more or less), with no mass migration at the beginning.

1 million Spaniards settled in Mexico" New Spain" between 1519-1821. Mexico was the most important and wealthiest colony of Spain.So it's obvious most Spaniards who settled in Latin America between 1492-1810 settled in Mexico.
The link you left of Spaniards immigrating 1882-1935 mostly settled in Cuba,Argentina,Brazil,Venezuela etc.
And alot were Gallegos,Canarians etc.


According your figures&pics, there is more Northern admixture than Mediterranean (ie Spaniards). What is this, a joke?

Here are some dna results and the European is mostly Iberian and broadly Southern European will be Iberian for Mexicans.

All these are Mexicans .
http://i58.tinypic.com/xfxceu.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/2rxhegj.png


http://i58.tinypic.com/kf37o7.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/24qjm0y.png



And again, I refuse to buy that shit, people like this must have like 0% of Spanish blood.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7n71KdrZtBPkdFOAIVMXmdU8acCl4B xcabcuhoaip1TOzDKUR



I bet you Evo Morales has some Spanish blood between 1-3.%



Genetic analysis of ancestry, admixture and selection in Bolivian and Totonac populations of the New World.

Populations of the Americas were founded by early migrants from Asia, and some have experienced recent genetic admixture. To better characterize the native and non-native ancestry components in populations from the Americas, we analyzed 815,377 autosomal SNPs, mitochondrial hypervariable segments I and II, and 36 Y-chromosome STRs from 24 Mesoamerican Totonacs and 23 South American Bolivians.
RESULTS AND CONCLUSIONS:
We analyzed common genomic regions from native Bolivian and Totonac populations to identify 324 highly predictive Native American ancestry informative markers (AIMs). As few as 40-50 of these AIMs perform nearly as well as large panels of random genome-wide SNPs for predicting and estimating Native American ancestry and admixture levels. These AIMs have greater New World vs. Old World specificity than previous AIMs sets. We identify highly-divergent New World SNPs that coincide with high-frequency haplotypes found at similar frequencies in all populations examined, including the HGDP Pima, Maya, Colombian, Karitiana, and Surui American populations. Some of these regions are potential candidates for positive selection. European admixture in the Bolivian sample is approximately 12%, though individual estimates range from 0-48%. We estimate that the admixture occurred ~360-384 years ago. Little evidence of European or African admixture was found in Totonac individuals. Bolivians with pre-Columbian mtDNA and Y-chromosome haplogroups had 5-30% autosomal European ancestry, demonstrating the limitations of Y-chromosome and mtDNA haplogroups and the need for autosomal ancestry informative markers for assessing ancestry in admixed populations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22606979

Pure amerindians are so rare.The majority of the Amerindians have some Spanish blood.There are Bolivian Amerindians in the samples.
http://i40.tinypic.com/ok0s2e.jpg


This Mexican is Amerindian "Indigena".and is part Iberian.
http://i59.tinypic.com/2j4brx1.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/w1uus9.png


I just can not believe than a few hundred of thousands of whoever can change the taxonomy of a who continent.

Get yourself educated in history and genetics.

[Cristiano viejo]

The Spanish conquistadores and the Spaniards that settled in Latin America between 1492-1800 were Alpha's .they liked to spread their genes. Not sure how it is in Spain.
¡Macho Ibérico presente!


1 million Spaniards settled in Mexico" New Spain" between 1519-1821. Mexico was the most important and wealthiest colony of Spain.So it's obvious most Spaniards who settled in Latin America between 1492-1810 settled in Mexico.
The link you left of Spaniards immigrating 1882-1935 mostly settled in Cuba,Argentina,Brazil,Venezuela etc.
And alot were Gallegos,Canarians etc.
When Mexico independized of Spain there were the amazing amount of... 40.000 Spaniards :coffee:
And they were expelled btw



Here are some dna results and the European is mostly Iberian and broadly Southern European will be Iberian for Mexicans.

All these are Mexicans .
http://i58.tinypic.com/xfxceu.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/2rxhegj.png


http://i58.tinypic.com/kf37o7.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/24qjm0y.png
Then clarify what you post, because in your previous post the Northern admixture was bigger than Mediterranean (Spaniard I guess) :rolleyes:



I bet you Evo Morales has some Spanish blood between 1-3.%
I doubt.
But although it was accurate, how people can blame Spaniards of racial mix in cases like that of him? :picard1:
it is ridicolous.



Genetic analysis of ancestry, admixture and selection in Bolivian and Totonac populations of the New World.

Populations of the Americas were founded by early migrants from Asia, and some have experienced recent genetic admixture. To better characterize the native and non-native ancestry components in populations from the Americas, we analyzed 815,377 autosomal SNPs, mitochondrial hypervariable segments I and II, and 36 Y-chromosome STRs from 24 Mesoamerican Totonacs and 23 South American Bolivians.
RESULTS AND CONCLUSIONS:
We analyzed common genomic regions from native Bolivian and Totonac populations to identify 324 highly predictive Native American ancestry informative markers (AIMs). As few as 40-50 of these AIMs perform nearly as well as large panels of random genome-wide SNPs for predicting and estimating Native American ancestry and admixture levels. These AIMs have greater New World vs. Old World specificity than previous AIMs sets. We identify highly-divergent New World SNPs that coincide with high-frequency haplotypes found at similar frequencies in all populations examined, including the HGDP Pima, Maya, Colombian, Karitiana, and Surui American populations. Some of these regions are potential candidates for positive selection. European admixture in the Bolivian sample is approximately 12%, though individual estimates range from 0-48%. We estimate that the admixture occurred ~360-384 years ago. Little evidence of European or African admixture was found in Totonac individuals. Bolivians with pre-Columbian mtDNA and Y-chromosome haplogroups had 5-30% autosomal European ancestry, demonstrating the limitations of Y-chromosome and mtDNA haplogroups and the need for autosomal ancestry informative markers for assessing ancestry in admixed populations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22606979

Pure amerindians are so rare.The majority of the Amerindians have some Spanish blood.There are Bolivian Amerindians in the samples.
http://i40.tinypic.com/ok0s2e.jpg


This Mexican is Amerindian "Indigena".and is part Iberian.
http://i59.tinypic.com/2j4brx1.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/w1uus9.png

Pure Amerindians in Bolivia are rare?? ok :rolleyes:


Get yourself educated in history and genetics.
I do. But you won't be who teach me.

[RMuller]

¡Macho Ibérico presente!

Machos-alphas don't discriminate women because of the womens race. Perfect example are the Spanish conquistadores. :thumb001:



When Mexico independized of Spain there were the amazing amount of... 40.000 Spaniards :coffee:
And they were expelled btw

By that time the Spanish immigrants had already racially mixed for 4 centuries to contribute to the Mexican gene pool aka mestizos,harnizos,castizos,indio-mestizos. :thumb001:




I doubt.
But although it was accurate, how people can blame Spaniards of racial mix in cases like that of him? :picard1:
it is ridicolous.

Amerindians are a tiny minority in latin america.







Pure Amerindians in Bolivia are rare?? ok :rolleyes:

look at the chart again .Bolivian amerindians have spanish genes to.
http://i40.tinypic.com/ok0s2e.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Machos-alphas don't discriminate women because of the womens race. Perfect example are the Spanish conquistadores. :thumb001:
Depend what for. For sex maybe not, for social life they did. Mestizos, harnizos etc were second-third-fourth class citizens.



By that time the Spanish immigrants had already racially mixed for 4 centuries to contribute to the Mexican gene pool aka mestizos,harnizos,castizos,indio-mestizos. :thumb001:
Yes, Spaniards spent a lot of sperm in America.


Amerindians are a tiny minority in latin america.
Perhaps in Mexico, Chipas people aside, but there are many countries with a large Amerindian population still. Imagine 200 years ago, when they independized of Spain. I am thinking in Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Guatemala, Chile etc

Take a look this report about the last Yámana indian in Chile. Pure Amerindian. They will extinguish in xxi century, not during the Spanish conquest

http://ep01.epimg.net/elpais/imagenes/2014/07/31/planeta_futuro/1406816310_738367_1409593093_noticia_normal.jpg


“Cuando falleció mi hermana Úrsula me quedé solita, sin nadie con quien hablar”. Eso sucedió en abril de 2003. Desde entonces, Cristina Calderón es la única persona del mundo capaz de expresarse en yámana, el idioma (también conocido como yagán) que modelaron durante más de 6.000 años los habitantes más australes del planeta, los nómadas canoeros de la Tierra del Fuego, en el confín de América.

A sus 86 años, la abuela Cristina, considerada Tesoro Vivo de la Humanidad por el Gobierno chileno y la Unesco, es la última representante de una cultura que desaparece. Y la postrera yámana étnicamente pura.

Se estima que, a la llegada de los misioneros europeos en el siglo XIX, había unos 3.000 yámanas. Cinco décadas más tarde quedaban 130.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/07/31/planeta_futuro/1406816310_738367.html

[RMuller]

Depend what for. For sex maybe not, for social life they did.

Spaniards married mestizas,harniazas,castizas,indigenas. It is well documented.



Mestizos, harnizos etc were second-third-fourth class citizens.

The Spaniards were the poor ones when they arrived in Mexico. The Aztec emperor Moctezuma had more money than all the Spanish conquistadores combined. Why do you think the Spanish conquistadores triped over each other to marry the Aztec nobility? For gold,wealth,land and prestige marrying the Aztec nobility.:thumb001:

The descendants of Monctezuma are part of the elite and Nobility of Spanish society.:thumb001: Spain is very class conscious

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79981-El-linaje-de-Moctezuma-vive-en-Espa%F1a

Just alone 2,000 of Moctezuma's descendants live in Caceres ,Espana and are the elites nobility.


Are you part of the elite -nobilty of Espana?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79981-El-linaje-de-Moctezuma-vive-en-Espa%F1a

Yes, Spaniards spent a lot of sperm in America.

It looks like some European countries are not. :rolleyes: Declining birth rates.



Perhaps in Mexico, Chipas people aside, but there are many countries with a large Amerindian population still. Imagine 200 years ago, when they independized of Spain. I am thinking in Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Guatemala, Chile etc

Chile is only 6% amerindian,Paraguay is only 2-4 % amerindian. Paraguay has Guarani as the official language but as i said Amerindians are like 2-4% .


Take a look this report about the last Yámana indian in Chile. Pure Amerindian. They will extinguish in xxi century, not during the Spanish conquest

http://ep01.epimg.net/elpais/imagenes/2014/07/31/planeta_futuro/1406816310_738367_1409593093_noticia_normal.jpg



http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/07/31/planeta_futuro/1406816310_738367.html

You proved my point pure amerindians are rare.

[Empecinado]

The descendants of Monctezuma are part of the elite and Nobility of Spanish society.:thumb001: Spain is very class conscious

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79981-El-linaje-de-Moctezuma-vive-en-Espa%F1a

Just alone 2,000 of Moctezuma's descendants live in Caceres ,Espana and are the elites nobility.



Nobility is not the elite of Spain anymore, most of these descendant of nobles are not even rich.

[Tooting Carmen]

Nobility is not the elite of Spain anymore, most of these descendant of nobles are not even rich.

Who'd you describe as the elite of Spain now (aside from the monarchy)? Nouveau riche businesspeople?

[Empecinado]

Who'd you describe as the elite of Spain now (aside from the monarchy)? Nouveau riche businesspeople?

No, most of them are descendants of people who became rich during the 19th century mainly by industrialization and ecclesiastical confiscations of Mendizábal.

[LightHouse89]

white americans= homo democraticus- a man with no values​​, no identity, no dignity, and no honor.

[Cristiano viejo]

Spaniards married mestizas,harniazas,castizas,indigenas. It is well documented.
And what was born of that mix was treated as second-third-fourth class citizens, I insist.
It is well documented this too.




The Spaniards were the poor ones when they arrived in Mexico. The Aztec emperor Moctezuma had more money than all the Spanish conquistadores combined. Why do you think the Spanish conquistadores triped over each other to marry the Aztec nobility? For gold,wealth,land and prestige marrying the Aztec nobility.:thumb001:
For gold? seriously? how is that? the gold belonged to Spaniards already.
For prestige they do, it is true.


The descendants of Monctezuma are part of the elite and Nobility of Spanish society.:thumb001: Spain is very class conscious

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79981-El-linaje-de-Moctezuma-vive-en-Espa%F1a

Just alone 2,000 of Moctezuma's descendants live in Caceres ,Espana and are the elites nobility.


Are you part of the elite -nobilty of Espana?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?79981-El-linaje-de-Moctezuma-vive-en-Espa%F1a
Moctezuma case was not the rule. What example you put... :rolleyes:



It looks like some European countries are not. :rolleyes: Declining birth rates.
The sperm bank is not eternal, it seems...




Chile is only 6% amerindian,Paraguay is only 2-4 % amerindian. Paraguay has Guarani as the official language but as i said Amerindians are like 2-4% .
What you want to say...



You proved my point pure amerindians are rare.
Have you deduced that?? seriously?? :lightbul:
Pure Amerindians continued existing 200 years later of the expulsion of the Spaniards from Chile, and of course and obviously despite their arrival.
Where is the miscegenation there??

[Leto]

Paraguay is only 2-4 % amerindian. Paraguay has Guarani as the official language but as i said Amerindians are like 2-4% .

Really?? It is spoken by about 60% of the population.

[Longbowman]

Really?? It is spoken by about 60% of the population.


As of 2009, Paraguay's population was estimated to be at around 6.5 million, most of whom are concentrated in the southeast region of the country. The capital and largest city is Asunción, of which the metropolitan area is home to nearly a third of Paraguay's population. In contrast to most Latin American nations, Paraguay's indigenous language and culture, Guaraní, remains highly influential. In each census, residents predominantly identify as mestizo, reflecting years of intermarriage among the different ethnic groups. Guaraní is recognized as an official language alongside Spanish, and both languages are widely spoken in the country, with around 92 percent of the general population speaking Spanish and 98 percent speaking Guaraní.



According to the census of 2002, the indigenous people made up 1.7% of Paraguay's total population.[39]

It seems the area has a lot of whites, though.

[Longbowman]

Traditionally, the majority of the Paraguayan population is considered mixed (mestizo in Spanish). HLA-DRB1 polymorphism studies have shown the genetic distances between Paraguayans and Spanish populations were closer than between Paraguayans and Guaranis. Altogether these results suggest the predominance of the Spanish genetic in the Paraguayan population.[40] According to the CIA World Factbook, Paraguay has a population of 6,669,086, 95% of which are mestizo (mixed European and Amerindian) and 5% are labelled as "other",[41] which includes members of indigenous tribal groups. They are divided into 17 distinct ethnolinguistic groupings, many of which are poorly documented. Paraguay has one of the most prominent German communities in South America, with some 25,000 German-speaking Mennonites living in the Paraguayan Chaco.[42] German settlers founded several towns as Hohenau, Filadelfia, Neuland, Obligado and Nueva Germania. Several websites that promote German immigration to Paraguay claim that 5–7% of the population is of German ancestry,[dubious – discuss] including 150,000 people of German-Brazilian descent.[better source needed][43][44][45][46][47]

[RMuller]

And what was born of that mix was treated as second-third-fourth class citizens, I insist.
It is well documented this too.

The Spaniards under 800 years ruled by the Moors were also 4th-5th class citizens too. It's well documented.





For gold? seriously? how is that? the gold belonged to Spaniards already.

The gold that Moctezuma owned did not belong to the Spaniards. He was probably richer than Queen Elisabeth.




Have you deduced that?? seriously?? :lightbul:
Pure Amerindians continued existing 200 years later of the expulsion of the Spaniards from Chile, and of course and obviously despite their arrival.
Where is the miscegenation there??

The Mapuches are very mixed ,no such thing of a pure Amerindian in Chile.

[Cristiano viejo]

The Spaniards under 800 years ruled by the Moors were also 4th-5th class citizens too. It's well documented.
First, only Granada was ruled by Moors 800 years. My land, for example, was never ruled.
Second, I dont care what they were, if second-third-fourth or whatever class cititzens, because they became Muslims, and they were not our ancestors. Our ancestors come from Northern Spain, and NEVER were ruled by Moors.
Third, this if off topic and obviously butthurt for your part. I have not the fault that people of my country ruled your ancestors and treated them as shit.



The gold that Moctezuma owned did not belong to the Spaniards. He was probably richer than Queen Elisabeth.
Ah not? who owned the Moctezuma gold then??


The Mapuches are very mixed ,no such thing of a pure Amerindian in Chile.
First, Southern Chile remained free of the Spanish rule. Great part of the Mapuche people never was ruled by Spaniards. The only one Amerindians that achieved it.
Second, even although today Mapuches were very mixed, what it is very debatable, I am talking about at the very least 200 years ago, when Chile independized of Spain.
You dont seem to understand that detail.

[RMuller]

First, only Granada was ruled by Moors 800 years. My land, for example, was never ruled.

Granada is part of Spain. So for 800 years the Moros still occupied part of Spain.



Second, I dont care what they were, if second-third-fourth or whatever class cititzens, because they became Muslims, and they were not our ancestors. Our ancestors come from Northern Spain, and NEVER were ruled by Moors.

But the Spaniards were forced to convert to Muslims and were treaty 4-5th class. They were still Spaniards.


Third, this if off topic and obviously butthurt for your part. I have not the fault that people of my country ruled your ancestors and treated them as shit.

I have Spanish blood even if you don't want to recognize it.:bored: Many Mexicans have Spanish conquistador blood.Spaniards don't have Spanish conquistador ancestors. So how can i be butthurt?:confused:




Ah not? who owned the Moctezuma gold then??

When the Spaniards set foot in Mexico the gold was Moctezuma's and he was easily wealthier than all the conquistadores combined.



First, Southern Chile remained free of the Spanish rule. Great part of the Mapuche people never was ruled by Spaniards. The only one Amerindians that achieved it.
Second, even although today Mapuches were very mixed, what it is very debatable, I am talking about at the very least 200 years ago, when Chile independized of Spain.
You dont seem to understand that detail.

I still don't get what you are trying to say .:confused: The Mapuches are mixed and have Spanish blood. Does it drive you nuts knowing that even Amerindians have some Spanish blood? DNA test don't lie.:thumb001:

[Gauthier]

When the Spaniards set foot in Mexico the gold was Moctezuma's and he was easily wealthier than all the conquistadores combined.


That right there is signature material. xD

[Cristiano viejo]

Granada is part of Spain. So for 800 years the Moros still occupied part of Spain.
Ruling the land is not the same, does not means the same, than ruling the people.



But the Spaniards were forced to convert to Muslims and were treaty 4-5th class. They were still Spaniards.
They were expelled by our ancestors. They have nothing to do with current Spaniards. In fact they were our enemies.



I have Spanish blood even if you don't want to recognize it.:bored: Many Mexicans have Spanish conquistador blood.
lol of course I recognize it. What I say is that not all Latin American countries share the racial past of Mexico.


Spaniards don't have Spanish conquistador ancestors. So how can i be butthurt?:confused:
Dont say bullshit. There were a lot of Conquistadores who returned to Spain.
And you was butthurt because with no reason you started to talk about Moors. Total off topic.



When the Spaniards set foot in Mexico the gold was Moctezuma's and he was easily wealthier than all the conquistadores combined.
wtf thats not the point. Spaniards caught the Moctezuma gold, that is.



I still don't get what you are trying to say .:confused: The Mapuches are mixed and have Spanish blood. Does it drive you nuts knowing that even Amerindians have some Spanish blood? DNA test don't lie.:thumb001:
I posted the Yamana example, there are and overall there were a lot of Amerindians in Chile who did not mix with Spaniards.
What happened after the Spanish rule it is not our problem. No one should be able to blame of miscegenation to Spaniards for what happened after our rule.

[DanielJ1eH]

I'm guessing African mixture means SSA only.

[Longbowman]

I'm guessing African mixture means SSA only.

Amongst North Americans? In this case yes. North African (Caucasoid) admixture is pretty common in many Europeans, particularly in the south.

[DanielJ1eH]

Amongst North Americans? In this case yes. North African (Caucasoid) admixture is pretty common in many Europeans, particularly in the south.

This is what I'm saying. I'm trying to compare White Americans from the USA to White Canadians like myself. Due to the slavery in the old south, detectable amounts of SSA are often present, which is what the results on the first page show.

[Longbowman]

This is what I'm saying. I'm trying to compare White Americans from the USA to White Canadians like myself. Due to the slavery in the old south, detectable amounts of SSA are often present, which is what the results on the first page show.

Actually the admixture would probably mainly have come from freedmen.

[DanielJ1eH]

Actually the admixture would probably mainly have come from freedmen.

Interesting.

I'm thinking of starting a thread for White/European described Canadians like myself. I wonder how they'd stack up. Are all the results on the first thread Conservative, Speculative, or Standard?

[LightHouse89]

Interesting.

I'm thinking of starting a thread for White/European described Canadians like myself. I wonder how they'd stack up. Are all the results on the first thread Conservative, Speculative, or Standard?

Go by conservative and I bet you will see SSA admixture is much higher amongst canadians than white americans.

[Longbowman]

Interesting.

I'm thinking of starting a thread for White/European described Canadians like myself. I wonder how they'd stack up. Are all the results on the first thread Conservative, Speculative, or Standard?

Speculative.

[DanielJ1eH]

Go by conservative and I bet you will see SSA admixture is much higher amongst canadians than white americans.
What would make you think that? Slavery had quite the impact in the Southern regions of the US and I think the results show that. One of the examples in the OP has 2% SSA. Not 0.2, but a full 2. I have yet to come across this for a Canadian.

My conservative doesn't have any. Just <0.1 MENA as the only non-European element.

[Longbowman]

Go by conservative and I bet you will see SSA admixture is much higher amongst canadians than white americans.

Doubt it.

[DanielJ1eH]

It's foolish to think that anybody is clean from anything though. Sure you can say that your a self-described White American/Canadian/European, but I guess nothing is technically waterproof. Something gets in from somewhere even if it's from a long lost ancient migration pattern. Something prehistoric.

[DanielJ1eH]

Unless you are a highly isolated population like say, Northeast Asians (Japanese), or Pgymy proper, you will probably have some sort of admixture from all 3 continents.

I notice that East Asians are extremely homogenous.

[Leto]

It's foolish to think that anybody is clean from anything though. Sure you can say that your a self-described White American/Canadian/European, but I guess nothing is technically waterproof. Something gets in from somewhere even if it's from a long lost ancient migration pattern. Something prehistoric.
Yeah, that's why I value phenotype the most. Who the hell cares about a person's 2-3% non-European admixture if he looks completely European?

[LightHouse89]

What would make you think that? Slavery had quite the impact in the Southern regions of the US and I think the results show that. One of the examples in the OP has 2% SSA. Not 0.2, but a full 2. I have yet to come across this for a Canadian.

My conservative doesn't have any. Just <0.1 MENA as the only non-European element.

The blacks who came up this way ended up in canada.....they did not settle here because we refused to house them or hire them so they continued to canada where the British were friendly to slaves and hired them and gave them a place to live. They also did not have racial laws in canada or anywhere in the british empire as racial laws were illegal.

[LightHouse89]

Doubt it.

You do realize many blacks went to canada as the british empire was more friendly to blacks than america in this period and also did not have racial laws.

[Longbowman]

You do realize many blacks went to canada as the british empire was more friendly to blacks than america in this period and also did not have racial laws.

Yes but their history in the US is longer and most blacks were resettled in free towns in Canada.

[LightHouse89]

Yeah, that's why I value phenotype the most. Who the hell cares about a person's 2-3% non-European admixture if he looks completely European?

I bet I am 99% European [Northern].

[Leto]

I bet I am 99% European [Northern].
It's highly possible.

[LightHouse89]

Yes but their history in the US is longer and most blacks were resettled in free towns in Canada.

It is irrelevant whether black history was longer here....it was against the law to mix with them and against societies norms....they were literally seen and viewed as animals here. Yes afew plantation owners slept with the women and created bastard slaves. But that was not that common and was frowned upon. But yes many blacks were settled in canada and there most likely would have inter married with british whites there.

[LightHouse89]

It's highly possible.

Yes! My mother is 50% Irish 25% North Sea German and 25% Finnish. My dad is mostly British [some Irish] and a small amount of French [Northern France around Brittany and Normandy]. :cool: I aint worried about nothing.....my dad did have some distant German Palatinate ancestry though but that was one ancestor.

[Longbowman]

It is irrelevant whether black history was longer here....it was against the law to mix with them and against societies norms....they were literally seen and viewed as animals here. Yes afew plantation owners slept with the women and created bastard slaves. But that was not that common and was frowned upon. But yes many blacks were settled in canada and there most likely would have inter married with british whites there.

It was only against the law from the late 1700s and early 1800s and not in all states. Most of New England plus NY and NJ never had laws against it.

[LightHouse89]

It was only against the law from the late 1700s and early 1800s and not in all states. Most of New England plus NY and NJ never had laws against it.

We did have local laws and it was not socially acceptable. Blacks could not own property, work or be given full rights here. So basically we made it os they could not survive here at all so they moved north ward or west ward towards chicago. Before the civil war there were not many or any blacks here.