K36 Iron Age Briton & Anglo Saxon

[Graham]

Anglo Saxon 1 F99992127.73% -- North_Sea
24.90% -- North_Atlantic
10.55% -- Italian
10.40% -- Fennoscandian
5.80% -- Eastern_Euro
5.70% -- French
2.24% -- East_Central_Euro
1.87% -- Volga-Ural
0.79% -- South_Central_Asian
Anglo Saxon 2 F99992231.86% -- North_Sea
21.30% -- North_Atlantic
11.64% -- Fennoscandian
8.13% -- Central_Euro
6.39% -- French
5.25% -- Iberian
4.66% -- Basque
3.28% -- West_Caucasian
2.76% -- Italian
2.23% -- North_Caucasian
1.09% -- South_Central_Asian
1.05% -- Central_African
0.26% -- Volga-Ural
0.09% -- East_Central_Euro
Anglo Saxon 3 F99992619.38% -- North_Sea
15.72% -- North_Atlantic
15.52% -- Iberian
12.55% -- Fennoscandian
6.28% -- Italian
6.25% -- Central_Euro
6.19% -- French
6.16% -- East_Central_Euro
3.66% -- Eastern_Euro
3.31% -- Basque
3.01% -- East_Balkan
1.04% -- North_Caucasian
0.93% -- North_African

[Graham]

Unfortunety can't get Hinxton1. So only the one Iron Age sample.

Iron Age Briton F99992519.46% -- North_Atlantic
18.61% -- Iberian
12.93% -- North_Sea
12.02% -- Fennoscandian
10.21% -- French
8.45% -- Central_Euro
6.53% -- East_Central_Euro
5.56% -- Italian
3.93% -- North_Caucasian
1.22% -- Eastern_Euro
1.01% -- Basque
0.06% -- East_Balkan

[Graham]

euclidean distance

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/distance_zpsabdc34fb.jpg

AS1 -- Hinxton 2
AS2 -- Hinxton 3
AS3 -- Hinxton 5

[Oneeye]

Looks like Anglo Saxon samples are mixed with the iron age Brits at different degrees? Interesting to compare Iberian scores.

[Graham]

Looks like Anglo Saxon samples are mixed with the iron age Brits at different degrees? Interesting to compare Iberian scores.

Yeah the first two Angles have a very small amount of Iberian + Basque. It was said that was the case though. The last Angle seems to have been ignored, in the same way that it can compare to modern populations too. :P

If anyone want to see their euclidean distance I can post it here. If you post your score.

[Oneeye]

Yeah the first two Angles have a very small amount of Iberian + Basque. It was said that was the case though. The last Angle seems to have been ignored, in the same way that it can compare to modern populations too. :P

If anyone want to see their euclidean distance I can post it here. If you post your score.

I'll take up your offer. :D


Amerindian 0.27%
Armenian 1.22%
Basque 1.28%
Central_Euro 5.88%
East_Balkan 3.85%
East_Central_Euro 3.27%
Eastern_Euro 3.53%
Fennoscandian 12.32%
French 7.76%
Iberian 17.13%
Italian 7.46%
North_Atlantic 11.91%
North_Caucasian 3.24%
North_Sea 20.60%
South_Central_Asian 0.26%

[Graham]

Oneeye
AS3 -- 5.89949
Brit -- 12.283
Graham -- 12.3485
AS2 -- 20.6647
AS1 -- 24.441

[Jackson]

Will be interesting to see the results as my Fennoscandian is quite low (less so for other family members though), seems to be replaced by Central/East Central Euro.


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.80%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.75%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.55%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 8.67%
East_Med 2.79%
Eastern_Euro 4.04%
Fennoscandian 4.95%
French 7.56%
Iberian 8.78%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.35%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 14.58%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 20.87%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.11%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.13%
West_African 0.24%
West_Caucasian 2.16%
West_Med 0.68%

[Graham]

Jackson
Graham -- 8.87324
AS3 -- 11.9054
Oneeye -- 13.3162
AS2 --16.9013
Brit -- 17.0005
AS1 -- 19.7985


You score ok on East Med, whereas the the old samples do not.

[Jackson]

Jackson
Graham -- 8.87324
AS3 -- 11.9054
Oneeye -- 13.3162
AS2 --16.9013
Brit -- 17.0005
AS1 -- 19.7985

We're long-lost brothers. :D

Interesting, i expected to be closest to the Brit after AS3, although the distance difference to AS2 and the Iron Age Brit is marginal.

[Graham]

We're long-lost brothers. :D

Interesting, i expected to be closest to the Brit after AS3, although the distance difference to AS2 and the Iron Age Brit is marginal.

Haha aye. May add some bits & pieces together, for example Basque & Iberian, Volga & finn. It makes the whole thing tidier & less messy. Have done this before & it makes everything better. Reason being similar components can take away from each other & be less accurate.

Example
----- Fin--- Volga
AS1 10.4 1.87
AS2 11.64 0.26
AS3 12.55 0


Fin +Volga
AS1 12.27
AS2 11.90
AS3 12.55

They probably are closer , than is being calculated.

[Stanley]

Would you mind doing mine, Graham?

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.62%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.61%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.31%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.58%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 5.43%
Fennoscandian 10.35%
French 5.26%
Iberian 11.04%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 0.64%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 20.04%
North_Caucasian 2.89%
North_Sea 17.88%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.34%
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.89%
West_Med 4.11%

[Graham]

Stan
AS3 -- 10.837
Graham -- 12.7885
Jackson -- 13.3594
IA Brit -- 13.8789
Oneeye -- 14.2456
AS2 -- 17.0749
AS1-- 21.6426

[Siberia62]

Hi Graham, would you mine doing mine too? I do indeed have gedmatch results of around 1/4 South-Italian/AJ and the rest British but still would like to see, out of curiosity.

My K36:

Amerindian -
Arabian 1.40%
Armenian 1.63%
Basque 1.04%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.61%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.16%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.87%
East_Med 3.22%
Eastern_Euro 4.11%
Fennoscandian 2.74%
French 8.32%
Iberian 7.81%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.08%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.58%
North_African -
North_Atlantic 17.12%
North_Caucasian 5.56%
North_Sea 14.87%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.07%
Omotic 0.21%
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.57%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.39%
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.13%
West_Med 2.51%

[Proctor]

I know you probably hate me over the Scottish independence stuff, but would you mind inputting mine? Would be very grateful for it.

Amerindian 1.24%
Arabian -
Armenian 1.85%
Basque 2.33%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.77%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.21%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 5.69%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.66%
Fennoscandian 8.27%
French 8.42%
Iberian 12.82%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.52%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 11.87%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 18.98%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.89%
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.21%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 4.20%

[Oneeye]

bump.


So I'm the closest to Hinxton 5?

[Graham]

I forgot the East Europe. So it changes things a little. Happens when you have so many different numbers. Though it may be made a bit more accurate when I tidy it. Too many similar components.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/similarity_zps46726919.jpg~original


The only person with a good score is Oneeye with Anglo Saxon 3 aka Hinxton5.

[Oneeye]

Could I have my wife added to the list?


Basque 2.39%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.96%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.88%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.07%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 4.86%
Fennoscandian 12.54%
French 8.21%
Iberian 9.32%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.98%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.07%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 16.79%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 4.20%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.73%

[Jackson]

Here's my Grandad's results as well if you wouldn't mind adding him? I think he will be further away from AS3 than he was in K13 by a considerable margin, as he has much more Central Euro.

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.78%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 10.78%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.04%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.26%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.35%
Fennoscandian 8.36%
French 6.15%
Iberian 11.61%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.13%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 13.67%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 21.95%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.79%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.15%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

[Grace O'Malley]

Mine

Basque 0.88%
Central_Euro 8.43%
East_Balkan 3.84%
East_Central_Euro 5.14%
Eastern_Euro 6.80%
Fennoscandian 7.54%
French 8.34%
Iberian 14.23%
Italian 0.69%
North_Atlantic 21.03%
North_Caucasian 1.33%
North_Sea 19.48%
Volga-Ural 0.32%
West_Caucasian 1.95%

Brother

Basque 1.92%
Central_Euro 6.56%
East_Central_Euro 9.58%
Eastern_Euro 5.50%
Fennoscandian 8.77%
French 6.22%
Iberian 12.69%
Italian 4.68%
North_Atlantic 19.75%
North_Caucasian 0.42%
North_Sea 19.47%
Volga-Ural 1.29%
West_Caucasian 3.15%

Mother

Basque 2.47%
Central_Euro 6.80%
East_Balkan 0.34%
East_Central_Euro 5.71%
Eastern_Euro 6.68%
Fennoscandian 10.34%
French 8.31%
Iberian 14.72%
Italian 1.41%
North_Atlantic 16.67%
North_Caucasian 4.20%
North_Sea 20.11%
South_Central_Asian 1.37%
West_Caucasian 0.54%
West_Med 0.35%

Daughter

Basque 3.68%
Central_Euro 7.69%
East_Balkan 1.19%
East_Central_Euro 1.68%
Eastern_Euro 7.78%
Fennoscandian 7.31%
French 8.73%
Iberian 15.90%
Italian 5.36%
North_Atlantic 18.30%
North_Caucasian 2.67%
North_Sea 19.32%
West_Med 0.34%

[DanielJ1eH]

Anglo Saxon 1 F99992127.73% -- North_Sea
24.90% -- North_Atlantic
10.55% -- Italian
10.40% -- Fennoscandian
5.80% -- Eastern_Euro
5.70% -- French
2.24% -- East_Central_Euro
1.87% -- Volga-Ural
0.79% -- South_Central_Asian
Anglo Saxon 2 F99992231.86% -- North_Sea
21.30% -- North_Atlantic
11.64% -- Fennoscandian
8.13% -- Central_Euro
6.39% -- French
5.25% -- Iberian
4.66% -- Basque
3.28% -- West_Caucasian
2.76% -- Italian
2.23% -- North_Caucasian
1.09% -- South_Central_Asian
1.05% -- Central_African
0.26% -- Volga-Ural
0.09% -- East_Central_Euro
Anglo Saxon 3 F99992619.38% -- North_Sea
15.72% -- North_Atlantic
15.52% -- Iberian
12.55% -- Fennoscandian
6.28% -- Italian
6.25% -- Central_Euro
6.19% -- French
6.16% -- East_Central_Euro
3.66% -- Eastern_Euro
3.31% -- Basque
3.01% -- East_Balkan
1.04% -- North_Caucasian
0.93% -- North_African
?

[Äijä]

More analysis from Lemminkäinen.



It is the time for ancient genomes. A month ago I read about new ancient samples from England, Hinxton, and saw them to be interesting in terms of the Finnish history. Those samples are around 1500-2000 years old, thus being rather suitable for estimating Finnish western connections. The Finnish history in Finland is rather short, in the best case bloodlines goes around 2000 years to the past, quite a short history compared to many southern Europeans.

Data

I use now the same data I had in my roll-off analyses. Just to remind you, I made a very strict qualification for Finnish samples to remove all recent admixtures, meaning the time span from the beginning of the Swedish era in Finland. All public western Finnish samples were selected by comparing to my own genealogically proved samples and outliers were removed.

Software

I used Reich’s three population test (qp3Pop) with default settings.





Abbreviations:
AS - Hinxton Anglo-Saxons BR - Hinxton Iron Age Briton EF – East Finns WF – West Finns
PL – Poles LT – Lithuanians EE – Estonians MA – Maris CH – Chuvashes NR – Norwegians
MR – Mordvas BU - Belarussians

Negative F_3 values mean likely that the target has admixtures of both source populations.





http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VVunB83VkO8/VGXZh2L3ZzI/AAAAAAAAAcw/c1A_RSgQh1o/s1600/f3wf.gif




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FdmBU7rHP-Q/VGXRU2NItOI/AAAAAAAAAcI/q2HDOeGQ6f4/s1600/f3ee.gif




The Western Finnish map shows high ancient admixtures, especially the Anglo-Saxon - East Finnish admixture among them is outstanding! Estonians show admistures with almost all their neighbors, which can point out continuous migrations to Estonia through the history.






Another way to find out speculative admixture of source populations is to pick the least probable target population, in this case African Pygmies. Using this method we see that the most Anglo-Saxon-like are Norwegians and the most Iron Age Briton-like are Lithuanians. West Finns are the third on the Anglo-Saxon axis. This probably means that West Finns have Anglo-Saxon-like ancestry, or Anglo Saxons had common Fennoscandinavian ancestry with West Finns. All those owning more Iron Age British ancestry than West Finns (NR, LT, EE, PL) likely have more ancient Celtic ancestry from Central Europe.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b_DyxV4i3zY/VGXR0Esz7MI/AAAAAAAAAcY/czhY02VRgWo/s1600/asbr1.gif


http://terheninenmaa.blogspot.fi/2014/11/ancient-british-genomes-from-hinxton.html

[Äijä]

Posted this in the wrong thread but guess it fits here also.

[Pendragon]

Unfortunety can't get Hinxton1. So only the one Iron Age sample.

Iron Age Briton F999925
19.46% -- North_Atlantic
18.61% -- Iberian
12.93% -- North_Sea
12.02% -- Fennoscandian
10.21% -- French
8.45% -- Central_Euro
6.53% -- East_Central_Euro
5.56% -- Italian
3.93% -- North_Caucasian
1.22% -- Eastern_Euro
1.01% -- Basque
0.06% -- East_Balkan

I think, i am close to Iron Age Briton

Iberian: 18.29
North_Atlantic: 16.54
Italian: 13.35
North_Sea: 10.76
French: 7.58
Central_Euro: 7.30
East_Central_Euro: 5.52
East-Balkan: 5.13
Eastern_Euro: 4.25
Fennoscandian: 3.7
West_Med: 2.75
North_Caucasian: 2.63
Basque: 1.09
North-African: 1.08
East_Med: 0,06

[Peterski]

More ancient British samples:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213198-K36-Roman-era-gladiators-from-York-and-Anglo-Saxon-from-Teeside&p=4468609&viewfull=1#post4468609

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212389-Ancient-Britons-amp-Anglo-Saxons-in-Eurogenes-K36&p=4452921&viewfull=1#post4452921