(Split) Swarthism/blondism in Russia/Norway/Finland

[Genetic_Lysenko]

http://westernparadigm.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/blue_eyes_map2.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/rastyper-karta04.jpg




I wonder why Nordland and Trøndelag is so much blonder than the rest of Norway?

Fennoscandia according to Lundmann:


http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/rastyper-karta03.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/rastyper-karta04.jpg

Pay attention that these maps are very discordant...:confused:What happened to Finns-they were darker in 1940 than in coloured map. And what happened to Swedes and Norwegians- they were lighter in Lundmann´s map.

[Genetic_Lysenko]

And finally- according to this coloured map Russians are as dark as Spanish.lol. Is here somebody who really believes that?

[Genetic_Lysenko]

I have been to all the Nordic countries and I can definitely attest that Norwegians are darker in hair and eye colour compared to their Swedish and Finnish neighbours.
I have been also. But I am not talking here about personal impression of tourists but about the maps by Bertil Lundmann, a well-known Swedish anthropologist.According to Lundmann even Danes are blonder than Finns.

[Ibericus]

There is no way that Finland or Sweden are 80+% blonde. This map is horrible. Finland and Sweden are in the 40-55 % range of blondism, not 80%. I have been there, and most adults are brunet, but not blonde

[Ibericus]

And finally- according to this coloured map Russians are as dark as Spanish.lol. Is here somebody who really believes that?
Im not gonna say this map is good because it is crap, but Russians are pretty much dark-haired, yes.

[Pallantides]

There is no way that Finland or Sweden are 80+% blonde. This map is horrible. Finland and Sweden are in the 40-55 % range of blondism, not 80%. I have been there, and most adults are brunet, but not blonde

I guess it's also what people define as blond, what we call dark blond some refer to as light brown.

[The Ripper]

I guess it's also what people define as blond, what we call dark blond some refer to as light brown.

Definately. I've been called blond by Britons, though my hair is brown.

[Genetic_Lysenko]

Im not gonna say this map is good because it is crap, but Russians are pretty much dark-haired, yes.

It is because of Turkic, Mongol, Iran influences. Foreign influences.;)

[Ibericus]

It is because of Turkic, Mongol, Iran influences. Foreign influences.;)

no,no, dark-hair is very old and native, nothing to do with foreigners, Im talking about pure Russians. In fact, blonde russians are the ones who have foreign influence from Nordic counrties.

[Eldritch]

Im not gonna say this map is good because it is crap, but Russians are pretty much dark-haired, yes.

I think here it is important to make a distinction between (ethnic) Russians and citizens of the Russian Federation.

And people, there's no point in competing on who's blondest/swarthiest anyway.

[Genetic_Lysenko]

I think here it is important to make a distinction between (ethnic) Russians and citizens of the Russian Federation.

And people, there's no point in competing on who's blondest/swarthiest anyway.
Actually I am not the one who is competing.I was just saying that this coloured map is wrong and it is too much referred in here as a Bible.Norwegians and BaltoFinnics are competing: Pallantides wants to prove how swarfy Norwegians are and Karl how blond Finns are.:rolleyes:

[Pallantides]

Actually I am not the one who is competing.I was just saying that this coloured map is wrong and it is too much referred in here as a Bible.Norwegians and BaltoFinnics are competing: Pallantides wants to prove how swarfy Norwegians are and Karl how blond Finns are.:rolleyes:


I have done no such thing, I don't really give a shit who is blonder, stop pulling shit out of your ass, these trolling tactics of yours are getting boring.

Politicians from every part of Norway:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171085&postcount=16
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171086&postcount=17
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173065&postcount=35
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173249&postcount=36
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173300&postcount=37
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174790&postcount=45
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174848&postcount=46

I have never claimed Norwegians were this or that.

[Äike]

Actually I am not the one who is competing.I was just saying that this coloured map is wrong and it is too much referred in here as a Bible.Norwegians and BaltoFinnics are competing: Pallantides wants to prove how swarfy Norwegians are and Karl how blond Finns are.:rolleyes:

I was just pointing out that you're wrong, nothing else.

[Pallantides]

Man I feel like funding the apricity just so I can give Genetic_Lysenko negative rep:D

[Agrippa]

I have done no such thing, I don't really give a shit who is blonder, stop pulling shit out of your ass, these trolling tactics of yours are getting boring.

Politicians from every part of Norway:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171085&postcount=16
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171086&postcount=17
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173065&postcount=35
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173249&postcount=36
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173300&postcount=37
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174790&postcount=45
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174848&postcount=46

I have never claimed Norwegians were this or that.

Politicians as examples have two problematic issues:
1. They are usually pretty old and age type related changes act on them
2. They might be not really that representative, for various reasons, among others social type and psychological type. Usually, modern day mainstream politicians in particular (Social Democrats even more so, but also Christian Social groups) tend to be more zyklothymic and pyknomorphic than the average I'd say.

I doubt a group of professors of natural sciences from the same regions would look the same.

[Pallantides]

I doubt a group of professors of natural sciences from the same regions would look the same.
Of course not, most professors of natural sciences are short eccentric balding men. :D
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/48/487/487961/ystenes_1168008841.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/48/487/487961/astronomenXcopy_1168009318_1168009336.jpg
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The avarage apperance of the people in Norwegian academia is not that different from the politicans imo.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190120&postcount=80

[Treffie]

Actually I am not the one who is competing.I was just saying that this coloured map is wrong and it is too much referred in here as a Bible.Norwegians and BaltoFinnics are competing: Pallantides wants to prove how SWARFY Norwegians are and Karl how blond Finns are.:rolleyes:

Swarthy ;)

[Genetic_Lysenko]

no,no, dark-hair is very old and native, nothing to do with foreigners, Im talking about pure Russians. In fact, blonde russians are the ones who have foreign influence from Nordic counrties.
What are you talking about.Are you serious?All blonde Russians have Nordic influences?:rolleyes:
Russians do have foreign influences.Poles for example are much more genuine Slavs and this is the reason why Poles have less darker hair and eyes.
They genuine Slavs are pretty light.
But even the Russians with Kazah grandfathers look much blonder than Spainiards.Contrast between Russians and Southern Europeans is sharp.

[SuuT]

Of course not, most professors ...are short eccentric balding men. :D
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/48/487/487961/ystenes_1168008841.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/48/487/487961/astronomenXcopy_1168009318_1168009336.jpg
u76fywRLRAM

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/755/755686/7556860/jpg/active/320x.jpg

^Vinje says "no".

[Pallantides]

One thing is certain they are all weird looking.

[Basil]

It is because of Turkic, Mongol, Iran influences. Foreign influences.;)
There are no such influences or they're insignificant. Some Iranic tribes were indeed assimilated during early Slavic expansion to the east, but Iranics were pretty much the same as Slavs: an amalgamation of Northern and Southern Europoids.

Poles for example are much more genuine Slavs and this is the reason why Poles have less darker hair and eyes.

They are not more 'genuine' Slavs, nor do they have lighter hair and eyes as a whole. Don't forget, they assimilated some light-pigmented Balts round the Baltic Sea.

[Äike]

What are you talking about.Are you serious?All blonde Russians have Nordic influences?:rolleyes:
Russians do have foreign influences.Poles for example are much more genuine Slavs and this is the reason why Poles have less darker hair and eyes.
They genuine Slavs are pretty light.
But even the Russians with Kazah grandfathers look much blonder than Spainiards.Contrast between Russians and Southern Europeans is sharp.

He actually has a point... But I have to agree that a Slav is usually lighter than an Iberian.

For example: NW-Russians are the lightest Russians and the co-operation between the Estonian and the Russian Genome Research centers has brought a conclusion that NW-Russians are heavily influenced by Finnics.

Edit: I even found one of my old posts (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=72806&postcount=9) which proves my claim

[Pallantides]

One intresting thing is that the areas in eastern Norway wich is considered the blondest in Norway have had significant Finnish immigration in the 17th century.


They are defined as a national minority in Norway, and it is estimated that a couple of hundred thousand Norwegians are descendants of the original Forest Finns.

It's always intresting to read when someone claim the most Nordic areas are those settled by Forest Finns.

[Ibericus]

What are you talking about.Are you serious?All blonde Russians have Nordic influences?:rolleyes:
Russians do have foreign influences.Poles for example are much more genuine Slavs and this is the reason why Poles have less darker hair and eyes.
They genuine Slavs are pretty light.
But even the Russians with Kazah grandfathers look much blonder than Spainiards.Contrast between Russians and Southern Europeans is sharp.
and not all southern europeans are the same.

[Basil]

He actually has a point... But I have to agree that a Slav is usually lighter than an Iberian.

For example: NW-Russians are the lightest Russians and the co-operation between the Estonian and the Russian Genome Research centers has brought a conclusion that NW-Russians are heavily influenced by Finnics.

Edit: I even found one of my old posts (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=72806&postcount=9) which proves my claim

By the way, considering this study (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14190), Russians of the Moscow region are also close to Estonians. I'd say that Estonians in their turn are more close to Russians than to Finns. It could be only explained by influences in both directions: Finnic in Russians and Slavic or Balto-Slavic in Estonians. So don't cherish a delusion about pure Finnic roots of your people. :D

[Äike]

By the way, considering this study (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14190), Russians of the Moscow region are also close to Estonians. I'd say that Estonians in their turn are more close to Russians than to Finns. It could be only explained by influences in both directions: Finnic in Russians and Slavic or Balto-Slavic in Estonians. So don't cherish a delusion about pure Finnic roots of your people. :D

It's a fact that Estonians aren't pure Finnic. Estonians are closest to Latvians(they're genetically almost the same and very Finnic) and then Russians are next, especially NW-Russians, because they have a very high amount of Finnic blood. The next closest people would be Finns and Swedes. Why did you even think that I thought that Estonians are pure Finnic? Don't you read my posts?

The reason why Balts and Russians are so close to Estonians is because those areas were inhabited by Finnics before and they were all assimilated. Latgals are very recent in modern-day Latvia. About 800 years ago, Latvia was split in half between the Livonians(Latvia was called Livonia during the middle-ages) and the recent immigrants, Latgals.

Btw, don't you cherish a delusion about pure Slavic roots of your people, my Finnic brother ;)

[Basil]

Btw, don't you cherish a delusion about pure Slavic roots of your people, my Finnic brother ;)
I'm a little bit unsure whether I can lay claim to the genetic legacy of Goths and other not well known to me tribes once inhabited Eastern Europe, so I will be just your Finno-Slavo-Scytho-Sarmato-Tatar-Mongolian brother until the question is cleared up.
Seriously speaking, all contemporary nations absorbed linguistically distinct tribes during ethnogenesis. Seems there is no exception.

[Svarogstan]

In the map (light-eye map), Are Northern Poles more light eyed than Southern Swedes and Norwegians? I find that hard to believe!http://westernparadigm.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/blue_eyes_map2.jpg

[safinator]

In the map (light-eye map), Are Northern Poles more light eyed than Southern Swedes and Norwegians? I find that hard to believe!http://westernparadigm.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/blue_eyes_map2.jpg
That map is doubtful at least!

[sevruk]

Im not gonna say this map is good because it is crap, but Russians are pretty much dark-haired, yes.

What kind of joke? Here are some examples of mostly "dark-haired" Russian
http://cs417327.userapi.com/v417327959/2791/0EE-bwqVsFw.jpg
http://cs5487.userapi.com/u43440010/-14/x_d4f03acb.jpg
http://cs304415.userapi.com/v304415216/3606/MmZdI4I6P-Y.jpg
http://cs10101.userapi.com/u144594569/141609956/x_4df45bd2.jpg
http://cs10982.userapi.com/u17343551/142095441/x_6fcc920d.jpg



For example: NW-Russians are the lightest Russians and the co-operation between the Estonian and the Russian Genome Research centers has brought a conclusion that NW-Russians are heavily influenced by Finnics.

Learn the anthropology of Russian. The lightest area in Russia is the Smolensk region and where there were no Finns

[sevruk]

http://westernparadigm.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/blue_eyes_map2.jpg
this map is stupid. As I said the lightest areas in a Russian Smolensk and Arkhangelsk region. Also in central Russia (Ryazan, Tambov, Penza) is much more light eyes than shown on the map.
Also Mordva-Erzya are one of the light people in Russia, but the map does not show it.