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Oneeye
10-27-2014, 04:50 AM
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Oneeye
10-27-2014, 04:52 AM
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Oneeye
10-27-2014, 04:54 AM
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Faklon
10-27-2014, 04:54 AM
Are they random?
They seem to have a higher British affinity than German going by 23&me clusters.
Oneeye
10-27-2014, 04:56 AM
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Oneeye
10-27-2014, 04:58 AM
Are they random?
They seem to have a higher British affinity than German going by 23&me clusters.
No, these are those that I share with. It's a convenience sample, unfortunately.
But yeah, overall there is more British than German.
Oneeye
10-27-2014, 05:01 AM
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Oneeye
10-27-2014, 05:03 AM
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Isleño
10-27-2014, 05:28 AM
Courtesy of racial segregation and the one drop rule, those two things kept them more "pure". White Americans are some of the most homogenous whites in the Americas. But also since these are people you are sharing with, I'd assume they have similar levels of ancestry as you and in areas with similar admixture levels as you also. Reason I say this, because I've seen quite a few in certain areas of the country that were commonly in the range of 93-95% more than this 97-100% range.
Gauthier
10-27-2014, 05:31 AM
My contribution:
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Aviator
10-27-2014, 07:09 AM
Lol this thread is pretty much the opposite of this one (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?144240-White-Americans-non-caucasoid-admixture-from-23andme)
Oneeye
10-27-2014, 03:22 PM
Courtesy of racial segregation and the one drop rule, those two things kept them more "pure". White Americans are some of the most homogenous whites in the Americas. But also since these are people you are sharing with, I'd assume they have similar levels of ancestry as you and in areas with similar admixture levels as you also. Reason I say this, because I've seen quite a few in certain areas of the country that were commonly in the range of 93-95% more than this 97-100% range.
Yeah, it is a convenience sample. Nonetheless my relatives on this list are found all over America. From New England to Florida and the rest of the south, throughout the Midwest and on the west coast. Some I share Norwegian ancestors with, others German or colonial.
IT is my hope that many people share, so that there is a more complete picture.
Aviator
10-27-2014, 04:44 PM
It wouldn't shock me if some of the American results were given small percentages of Native American or African on purpose, since a good number of people use sites like 23andme to try to find "interesting" forgotten family histories.
Probably not, but it would be good marketing for the general American audience.
Guapo
10-27-2014, 04:48 PM
I assume most of those results are from people with minor Slav,Italian and Native mixture?
Oneeye
10-27-2014, 04:50 PM
It wouldn't shock me if some of the American results were given small percentages of Native American or African on purpose, since a good number of people use sites like 23andme to try to find "interesting" forgotten family histories.
Probably not, but it would be good marketing for the general American audience.
What I've noticed, is that it is easy to find articles on how much Sub Saharan African white Americans can score, but I can't find similar ones for Native American. I think that publishing such articles may be seen as discouraging potential customers looking to find evidence of their native American family stories from purchasing a kit. xD
Oneeye
10-27-2014, 04:56 PM
I assume most of those results are from people with minor Slav,Italian and Native mixture?
They're from mutts. xD Probably a Pollock or something in the family tree. Could be some Northern Italians that came over during the colonial era? It's very minor in most. I have one listed that is half of colonial descent and half of recent Italian immigration.
Guapo
10-27-2014, 04:57 PM
They're from mutts. xD Probably a Pollock or something in the family tree. Could be some Northern Italians that came over during the colonial era? It's very minor in most. I have one listed that is half of colonial descent and half of recent Italian immigration.
racist xD So whats up with the mid east percentages?
Looks like White Americans don't score high in ancient Karelian or ancient Armenian; interesting.
Oneeye
10-27-2014, 05:09 PM
racist xD So whats up with the mid east percentages?
xD On a more serious note, I think the East Euro scoring also have a higher German/French score. Polish immigrants were more around the Germans.
I noticed that significant amount of Europeans(both USA/Europe etc) score 0.1-0.3% East Asian and some Euro's even score specifically 0.1% Yakut for some reason. I guess it's an ancient link with the Ancient Northern Eurasian population.(or maybe just noise:P)
I noticed that significant amount of Europeans(both USA/Europe etc) score 0.1-0.3% East Asian and some Euro's even score specifically 0.1% Yakut for some reason. I guess it's an ancient link with the Ancient Northern Eurasian population.(or maybe just noise:P)
Sorry to burst your bubble. ANE is old, but not as old as these European settlers.
These guys [Neaderthal]
http://cdn4.sci-news.com/images/enlarge/image_1481e-Neanderthal.jpg
split of from these guy's[Homo heidelbergensis] somewhere in Europe 300K you maybe have a little of their genes.
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Oneeye
10-27-2014, 05:20 PM
Looks like White Americans don't score high in ancient Karelian or ancient Armenian; interesting.
We're very Western European.
We're very Western European.
Where exactly to you think "Western European" come from; may I inquire?
Sorry to burst your bubble. ANE is old, but not as old as these European settlers.
These guys [Neaderthal]
http://cdn4.sci-news.com/images/enlarge/image_1481e-Neanderthal.jpg
split of from these guy's[Homo heidelbergensis] somewhere in Europe 300K you maybe have a little of their genes.
http://static.wixstatic.com/media/bc9c59_4632660b18cd4a02be83876a3717f4f9.jpg_srz_76 4_764_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz
What is your point?
What is your point?
Your definition of European might not be what you think it is.
Your definition of European might not be what you think it is.
That's what not i imply. Me,Oneeye and others are just brainstorming about the extremely small 23andme admixtures in Europeans. It might has something with the ENA too or more recent admixture but the 0.1-0.3% Yakut in significant amount of Europeans is quite interesting don't you think?
Oneeye
10-27-2014, 05:31 PM
Where exactly to you think "Western European" come from; may I inquire?
Western Europe... but at this point I'm waiting for you to enlighten us with your observations.
LightHouse89
10-27-2014, 05:32 PM
Where exactly to you think "Western European" come from; may I inquire?
Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, France, Ireland, UK, Scandinavia and afew slavs.
Aviator
10-27-2014, 05:33 PM
Do we have a thread for the results of North Western Europeans who still live in North Western Europe for comparison?
LightHouse89
10-27-2014, 05:34 PM
Looks like White Americans don't score high in ancient Karelian or ancient Armenian; interesting.
No but we score high on this........ :p homo democraticus:a man with no values, no identity, no dignity, and no honor.
No but we score high on this........ :p homo democraticus:a man with no values, no identity, no dignity, and no honor.
Sounds like some politicians I know.
Oneeye
10-27-2014, 06:44 PM
Do we have a thread for the results of North Western Europeans who still live in North Western Europe for comparison?
Haven't found one yet. :/
However, here is a thread on White South Africans, to compare Colonials to Colonials:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?89631-Ancestry-Composition-of-White-South-Africans
Do we have a thread for the results of North Western Europeans who still live in North Western Europe for comparison?
Why be ashamed of your heritage blondeF22, post your Gedmatch results for Germanic/Americans. I like to see the difference/similarity to other groups.
How about your Dodecad K12b. Here are my results[Canadian/Eurasian] what are yours?
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
# Population Percent
1 North_European 54.58
2 Atlantic_Med 26.73
3 Caucasus 11.24
4 Gedrosia 5.50
5 Siberian 1.12
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Mixed_Germanic + Mixed_Germanic + Russian_B + Ukranians @ 1.273148
2 Dutch + Mixed_Germanic + Russian_B + Ukranians @ 1.410519
3 Mixed_Germanic + Mixed_Germanic + Mixed_Slav + Russian_B @ 1.556395
4 Cornwall + German + Russian_B + Ukranians @ 1.641611
5 CEU30 + Mixed_Germanic + Russian_B + Ukranians @ 1.659356
Aviator
10-27-2014, 07:17 PM
Why be ashamed of your heritage blondeF22, post your Gedmatch results for Germanic/Americans. I like to see the difference/similarity to other groups.
How about your Dodecad K12b. Here are my results[Canadian/Eurasian] what are yours?
I don't have any unfortunately :( I only have my haplogroups from relatives, and they're not even specific on subclades.
RighNick
10-28-2014, 05:22 AM
Here are the ones I share with:
http://i.imgur.com/3XCEfCE.png
http://i.imgur.com/ae4gn5F.png
http://i.imgur.com/YytAl42.png
Since they're related to me, they might be more British/colonial than the average.
These are the results of a friend of mine. He identifies as/is seen as white but he is also 1/4 Puerto Rican which accounts for the Native and African ancestry:
http://i.imgur.com/mxq6JTR.png
Oneeye
10-28-2014, 05:38 PM
Here are the ones I share with:
Since they're related to me, they might be more British/colonial than the average.
The first one looks very British Isles in particular. The others seem to be well within the meddling range for British Isle input in Americans.
Your family came from Australia before you moved to the US, right? I'd expect Aussies to lean more towards the British Isles, but the Americans you listed are well within normal of the large group of Americans that I posted.
Smeagol
10-28-2014, 08:08 PM
They seem to have a higher British affinity than German going by 23&me clusters.
Yes, because British is still the predominant ancestry among White Americans. Although many colonial stock Whites just identify as "American", so it seems like German is the predominant ancestry in the country, which is not the case. Also, a lot of "German Americans" are actually only partially German.
Snchpnz
10-28-2014, 08:58 PM
Some of my American matches.
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Oneeye
10-29-2014, 03:09 AM
Thank you all for you contributions. :D
LightHouse89
10-29-2014, 03:13 AM
Thank you all for you contributions. :D
how much does it cost for one of these tests?
Oneeye
10-29-2014, 09:24 PM
how much does it cost for one of these tests?
$99
DanielJ1eH
10-31-2014, 03:51 AM
Courtesy of racial segregation and the one drop rule, those two things kept them more "pure". White Americans are some of the most homogenous whites in the Americas. But also since these are people you are sharing with, I'd assume they have similar levels of ancestry as you and in areas with similar admixture levels as you also. Reason I say this, because I've seen quite a few in certain areas of the country that were commonly in the range of 93-95% more than this 97-100% range.
I'd be willing to challenge that. I'd say that White Canadians are. Part of this has to do with the slavery in the US. Lots of Canadians I share with don't get any SSA.
Isleño
10-31-2014, 04:21 AM
I'd be willing to challenge that. I'd say that White Canadians are. Part of this has to do with the slavery in the US. Lots of Canadians I share with don't get any SSA.
There are lots of white Americans that don't get any SSA either. And I think there are quite a few white Canadians that have Amerind percentages.
Isleño
10-31-2014, 04:23 AM
how much does it cost for one of these tests?
When are you gonna test?
LightHouse89
10-31-2014, 04:24 AM
I'd be willing to challenge that. I'd say that White Canadians are. Part of this has to do with the slavery in the US. Lots of Canadians I share with don't get any SSA.
Yet blacks escape to Canada :rolleyes: follow the drinking gourde brother LOL.
LightHouse89
10-31-2014, 04:25 AM
When are you gonna test?
Next week. Well I will order it then.
DanielJ1eH
10-31-2014, 07:20 PM
Yet blacks escape to Canada :rolleyes: follow the drinking gourde brother LOL.
Well, some may have gotten over but not many I'd assume.
All in all, North American Whites are very homogenous.
In other words, if someone says they're fully White and lives in Canada or the US, I'll believe them.
This wouldn't be the case in Brazil or Mexico however.
Oneeye
11-01-2014, 04:07 AM
I'd be willing to challenge that. I'd say that White Canadians are. Part of this has to do with the slavery in the US. Lots of Canadians I share with don't get any SSA.
I think an American is more likely to have a black in the woodpile while a Canadian is more likely to have an aboriginal... probably region, much like the US.
LightHouse89
11-01-2014, 05:53 AM
Well, some may have gotten over but not many I'd assume.
All in all, North American Whites are very homogenous.
In other words, if someone says they're fully White and lives in Canada or the US, I'll believe them.
This wouldn't be the case in Brazil or Mexico however.
You would be shocked at how many 'Nordic' Latinos I met.....but I mean from some areas of Mexico [not necessarily nordic descent though mostly continental]...... I have met one kid at my school who is an Anglo-Mexican.....born in mexico speaks spanish yet has WASP ancestry...it is however exceedingly rare. I have met Irish argentinians [infact a relative of mine is married to one infact from the same clan as my mother go figure!]. But they are rare......but yes I would say the majority of white canadians or americans did not mi becaus the majority did not....it was seen as improper and unacceptable.
LightHouse89
11-01-2014, 05:54 AM
I think an American is more likely to have a black in the woodpile while a Canadian is more likely to have an aboriginal... probably region, much like the US.
Not really....down south here it is more likely to have a native american ancestor than black....and in the north east neither......the natives disappear after the Pequot wars and the blacks were barred from basically living here so they fled in larger nmbers to chicago [more so even than New York city].....other than that blacks floated around.
DanielJ1eH
11-01-2014, 07:47 PM
You would be shocked at how many 'Nordic' Latinos I met.....but I mean from some areas of Mexico [not necessarily nordic descent though mostly continental]...... I have met one kid at my school who is an Anglo-Mexican.....born in mexico speaks spanish yet has WASP ancestry...it is however exceedingly rare. I have met Irish argentinians [infact a relative of mine is married to one infact from the same clan as my mother go figure!]. But they are rare......but yes I would say the majority of white canadians or americans did not mi becaus the majority did not....it was seen as improper and unacceptable.
Well, yeah there are always going to be rare exceptions. Most Mexicans are mestizos though. I've been down there 3 times and the majority are not what I would call "White", that meaning full European ancestry.
White Americans and Canadians are fully white because most of them came directly to Canada/US from Europe without any sort of long lasting colonization, aka recent immigrants. Especially Southern and Eastern Europeans. The line to Europe is more direct and recent. For example I'm only a second generation Canadian on my fathers side, so there wasn't much time to "mix" with foreign non-white populations, if that makes any sense.
I have met Irish argentinians [infact a relative of mine is married to one infact from the same clan as my mother go figure!]. But they are rare....
They aren't so rare in Argentina. However, they are mostly intermixed with Spanish and Italian-Argentinians nowadays. They were all Catholics, so it didn't pose any problem to them, unlike the early US.
LightHouse89
11-01-2014, 11:54 PM
Well, yeah there are always going to be rare exceptions. Most Mexicans are mestizos though. I've been down there 3 times and the majority are not what I would call "White", that meaning full European ancestry.
White Americans and Canadians are fully white because most of them came directly to Canada/US from Europe without any sort of long lasting colonization, aka recent immigrants. Especially Southern and Eastern Europeans. The line to Europe is more direct and recent. For example I'm only a second generation Canadian on my fathers side, so there wasn't much time to "mix" with foreign non-white populations, if that makes any sense.
Yes my mothers ancestors were recent immigrants....late 1800s. My fathers ancestors mostly came here in the early 1800s or late 1700s with the exception of some Mayflower ancestry. The Bulk of my ancestry is from the British Islands....especially Ireland....very typical of someone from Massachusetts. But by Ireland I mean North [Ulster] and South.
DanielJ1eH
11-02-2014, 12:09 AM
Yes my mothers ancestors were recent immigrants....late 1800s. My fathers ancestors mostly came here in the early 1800s or late 1700s with the exception of some Mayflower ancestry. The Bulk of my ancestry is from the British Islands....especially Ireland....very typical of someone from Massachusetts. But by Ireland I mean North [Ulster] and South.
My fathers parents came here from Italy during WW2 so that is pretty damn recent. My mothers parents were in Canada for a while longer. Maybe about 3-5 generations including me at most which even then isn't that much before they came from Ireland (Border region), England, and Poland. My 23andme result describes me perfectly with the exception of a mislabeled Eastern Europe.
And yes, I've heard about the Mayflyer. That's Anglo-Saxon if I presume. Lots of Irish in Boston and NYC.
LightHouse89
11-02-2014, 12:16 AM
My fathers parents came here from Italy during WW2 so that is pretty damn recent. My mothers parents were in Canada for a while longer. Maybe about 3-5 generations including me at most which even then isn't that much before they came from Ireland (Border region), England, and Poland. My 23andme result describes me perfectly with the exception of a mislabeled Eastern Europe.
And yes, I've heard about the Mayflyer. That's Anglo-Saxon if I presume. Lots of Irish in Boston and NYC.
The Irish overall can be found throughout New England actually. Especially Massachusetts. Almost every town phone book listing here you will see Irish surnames on hundreds of pages.
DanielJ1eH
11-02-2014, 12:19 AM
The Irish overall can be found throughout New England actually. Especially Massachusetts. Almost every town phone book listing here you will see Irish surnames on hundreds of pages.
The majority of the Irish up here settled in the Maritimes. My grandfathers family lived in New Brunswick originally. Parts of Newfoundland even speak Gaelic.
LightHouse89
11-02-2014, 12:29 AM
The majority of the Irish up here settled in the Maritimes. My grandfathers family lived in New Brunswick originally. Parts of Newfoundland even speak Gaelic.
There use to be a Gaellic community here and in Boston but it is largely dead now.
Oneeye
11-02-2014, 12:33 AM
My most recent immigranted ancestors were in 1870s... so 5th gen there. But I have ancestry going back to the early 1600s on both paternal and maternal sides. No idea how many generations. 20 something?
1870s/1860s from Norway, Northern Germany, and the Netherlands, fyi.
RighNick
11-16-2014, 11:00 AM
The first one looks very British Isles in particular. The others seem to be well within the meddling range for British Isle input in Americans.
Your family came from Australia before you moved to the US, right? I'd expect Aussies to lean more towards the British Isles, but the Americans you listed are well within normal of the large group of Americans that I posted.
My family is actually from Bermuda, but I was raised in Australia so I consider myself Australian. Being an overseas territory of the UK, our European input is overwhelmingly but not exclusively British.
Not a Cop
11-20-2014, 02:25 PM
Ok, i can understand the East-Asian and SSA, but where from does the MENA come?
Oneeye
11-26-2014, 12:03 AM
Ok, i can understand the East-Asian and SSA, but where from does the MENA come?
Spanish footprint?
RighNick
12-28-2014, 05:52 PM
This table is from the full study that 23andMe published. It shows the averages by states for African, White, and Hispanic Americans.
http://i.imgur.com/I6OXehP.png
It seems that the White Americans are, as a whole, essentially fully European.
SupaThug
12-28-2014, 06:02 PM
Very interesting to see the results of white americans!British Islander component is huge such as I imagined.
StonyArabia
12-28-2014, 06:07 PM
I share with a White American girl, who is my friend her results were mostly British Islander, but her non-Caucasoid admix was 2% SSA.
This table is from the full study that 23andMe published. It shows the averages by states for African, White, and Hispanic Americans.
Wow, in several states Aframs are even 1/4 European!
StonyArabia
12-28-2014, 06:10 PM
Ok, i can understand the East-Asian and SSA, but where from does the MENA come?
Probably from the Southern Euros. Although North Africans did raid the US quite few times during the Barbary pirate times, this eventually lead to the war with Tripoli in today's Libya.
Gooding
12-28-2014, 06:11 PM
Yeah, it is a convenience sample. Nonetheless my relatives on this list are found all over America. From New England to Florida and the rest of the south, throughout the Midwest and on the west coast. Some I share Norwegian ancestors with, others German or colonial.
IT is my hope that many people share, so that there is a more complete picture.
I hope you find my contribution useful. :)
LightHouse89
12-28-2014, 10:05 PM
Wow, in several states Aframs are even 1/4 European!
they are not European at all.
LightHouse89
12-28-2014, 10:06 PM
Probably from the Southern Euros. Although North Africans did raid the US quite few times during the Barbary pirate times, this eventually lead to the war with Tripoli in today's Libya.
No they didn't. New England had some of the largest garrisons of British soldiers and the Navy. Maybe florida but not up this way.
they are not European at all.
Look at that chart. Latinos in your state are 71% European. I believe some of them can be absorbed and diluted within a couple of generations.
LightHouse89
12-28-2014, 10:14 PM
Look at that chart. Latinos in your state are 71% European. I believe some of them can be absorbed and diluted within a couple of generations.
I don't care what they are they don't belong here. They wont get diluted they will dilute us and our women's beauty will turn into afros and ugly mulatto traits. No thanks they belong in the Caribbean or wherever else they came.
I can assure you 90% of them are not European looking. Having them here is self destructive. Anyone that mates with them should be deported.
I don't care what they are they don't belong here. They wont get diluted they will dilute us and our women's beauty will turn into afros and ugly mulatto traits. No thanks they belong in the Caribbean or wherever else they came.
I can assure you 90% of them are not European looking. Having them here is self destructive. Anyone that mates with them should be deported.
Well, I understand you, I don't wanna sound like I'm actually promoting their migration. No, they don't belong in New England if you don't want them to be there.
LightHouse89
12-28-2014, 10:36 PM
Well, I understand you, I don't wanna sound like I'm actually promoting their migration. No, they don't belong in New England if you don't want them to be there.
We do not have a choice on the matter. Praise the Almighty constitution the god of the future :rolleyes: don't mind Europeans here or British people but not afros from the Caribbean or elsewhere. They are racially, ethnically and culturally very different than us and we have nothing in common.
Argentano
12-28-2014, 10:43 PM
This table is from the full study that 23andMe published. It shows the averages by states for African, White, and Hispanic Americans.
http://i.imgur.com/I6OXehP.png
It seems that the White Americans are, as a whole, essentially fully European.
please post the link to the study
Gooding
12-28-2014, 10:51 PM
I don't care what they are they don't belong here. They wont get diluted they will dilute us and our women's beauty will turn into afros and ugly mulatto traits. No thanks they belong in the Caribbean or wherever else they came.
I can assure you 90% of them are not European looking. Having them here is self destructive. Anyone that mates with them should be deported.
My agreement with this statement is predicated on their enormous numbers, the fact that they don't need to speak English, their unregulated entry into this country and their need to coalesce among their own people rather than to assimilate into broader American society. I have been rebuked for speaking Spanish to a Spanish speaker by that speaker and I understand that it looks ridiculous for an American of my complexion to try to speak their language. It's their ancestral language and apparently I have no business trying to use it. As far as ethnicity goes, they really look a lot more Amerind and/ or African than Spanish. I've met one Guatemalan who looked Spanish and several Cubans and Puerto Ricans who look properly Spanish. I also respect the difference between a Spaniard and a Hispanic. That was explained to me as well. Spaniards are Europeans and Hispanics are mixed- race New Worlders. I would never dare call an Iberian " Hispanic" for fear of offending his honor..
lyllo
12-28-2014, 10:52 PM
The study is wrong for latinos. How come in some states they are +80% or even 90% European? Most Mexicans are balanced mestizos and indio-mestizos, let alone the central Americans who are almost fully Native.
Argentano
12-28-2014, 10:56 PM
My agreement with this statement is predicated on their enormous numbers, the fact that they don't need to speak English, their unregulated entry into this country and their need to coalesce among their own people rather than to assimilate into broader American society. I have been rebuked for speaking Spanish to a Spanish speaker by that speaker and I understand that it looks ridiculous for an American of my complexion to try to speak their language. It's their ancestral language and apparently I have no business trying to use it. As far as ethnicity goes, they really look a lot more Amerind and/ or African than Spanish. I've met one Guatemalan who looked Spanish and several Cubans and Puerto Ricans who look properly Spanish. I also respect the difference between a Spaniard and a Hispanic. That was explained to me as well. Spaniards are Europeans and Hispanics are mixed- race New Worlders. I would never dare call an Iberian " Hispanic" for fear of offending his honor..
hispanic is not a race
Argentano
12-28-2014, 10:58 PM
The study is wrong for latinos. How come in some states they are +80% or even 90% European? Most Mexicans are balanced mestizos and indio-mestizos, let alone the central Americans who are almost fully Native.
arent most florida latinos middle class cubans? they tend to be predominantly euro
The study is wrong for latinos. How come in some states they are +80% or even 90% European? Most Mexicans are balanced mestizos and indio-mestizos, let alone the central Americans who are almost fully Native.
At least it sounds accurate for African Americans. They are 20-25% Euro on average.
lyllo
12-28-2014, 11:04 PM
arent most florida latinos middle class cubans? they tend to be predominantly euro
Florida is full of Puerto Ricans too. And a lot of the Cubans are mulattoes.
But it's not just Florida.
Arkansas - 80% European
Indiana - 83% European
Kentucky - 90% European :picard2:
Tennesee - 89% European
And the rest ist mostly Harnizo range.
Florida is full of Puerto Ricans too. And a lot of the Cubans are mulattoes.
But it's not just Florida.
Arkansas - 80% European
Indiana - 83% European
Kentucky - 90% European :picard2:
Tennesee - 89% European
And the rest ist mostly Harnizo range.
If they all were indeed 80+ percent Euro, they would have looked white or slightly "exotic". I'm not an American, but several members from the US have told me most of them are absolutely unpassable.
Oneeye
12-28-2014, 11:07 PM
Florida is full of Puerto Ricans too. And a lot of the Cubans are mulattoes.
But it's not just Florida.
Arkansas - 80% European
Indiana - 83% European
Kentucky - 90% European :picard2:
Tennesee - 89% European
And the rest ist mostly Harnizo range.
Latinos are probably in few numbers in those states and likely are mixed with the local whites.
SupaThug
12-28-2014, 11:10 PM
If they all were indeed 80+ percent Euro, they would have looked white or slightly "exotic". I'm not an American, but several members from the US have told me most of them are absolutely unpassable.
Most people who are only 80% euro would never pass as a white american!
lyllo
12-28-2014, 11:13 PM
If they all were indeed 80+ percent Euro, they would have looked white or slightly "exotic". I'm not an American, but several members from the US have told me most of them are absolutely unpassable.
Something is off. Also a lot are 70% European. Only in a few states they are -65% Euro which would be more accurate.
Argentano
12-28-2014, 11:20 PM
Something is off. Also a lot are 70% European. Only in a few states they are -65% Euro which would be more accurate.
almost all the ones with the biggest sample (***) are the ones 65% euro...
http://i.imgur.com/I6OXehP.png
Something is off. Also a lot are 70% European. Only in a few states they are -65% Euro which would be more accurate.
The data for California should be more or less accurate.
Most people who are only 80% euro would never pass as a white american!
Well, marriages with predominantly Euro Latinos are still way better than marriages with real non-whites like Africans or even Asians.
lyllo
12-28-2014, 11:23 PM
almost all the ones with the biggest sample (***) are the ones 65% euro...
http://i.imgur.com/I6OXehP.png
Those ones seem accurate, the others not.
SupaThug
12-28-2014, 11:24 PM
Well, marriages with predominantly Euro Latinos are still way better that marriages with real non-whites like Africans or even Asians.
Definitly!
Jägerstaffel
12-28-2014, 11:39 PM
The amount of British Isles input is something that seems widely unacknowledged in America, strangely enough.
Gooding
12-28-2014, 11:50 PM
hispanic is not a race
No, but it's a lot easier than saying " Latin American" or " Caribbean American." My point about most of them being mixed- race ( Native American, European and African) stands.
http://latin-american-diversity.wikispaces.com/Ethnic+Groups http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizos
Argentano
12-29-2014, 12:04 AM
No, but it's a lot easier than saying " Latin American" or " Caribbean American." My point about most of them being mixed- race ( Native American, European and African) stands.
http://latin-american-diversity.wikispaces.com/Ethnic+Groups http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizos
how can you (99% euro 0.5% amerindian 0.5% african) be "white" american and i (100% euro) gotta be hispanic (for you mixed race) ?
hispanic is not a race..hispanics can be white or black the same way an american can be white or black..
SupaThug
12-29-2014, 12:12 AM
how can you (99% euro 0.5% amerindian 0.5% african) be "white" american and i (100% euro) gotta be hispanic (for you mixed race) ?
hispanic is not a race..hispanics can be white or black the same way an american can be white or black..
Yes,hispanic is in fact a linguistic term!Hispanic means to a argentine what Lusophone means to me or what Anglophone means to an american!
how can you (99% euro 0.5% amerindian 0.5% african) be "white" american and i (100% euro) gotta be hispanic (for you mixed race) ?
Are you serious about mixed race?:eek:
It's very simple in fact. No need to complicate.
If your mother language is spanish you are part of the hispanic race, if your mother language is french you are part of the french race, if your mother language is portuguese you are part of the luso race and if your mother language is english you are part of the anglo race.
JoeyGee8688
12-29-2014, 12:40 AM
A significant majority of these have some sort of non-Euro admixture; is it accurate, or some sort of mistake? I have 0.1% non-specific East Asian/Native, but never get any sort of EA/NA other than Siberian on any GED calculators.
Argentano
12-29-2014, 12:42 AM
Are you serious about mixed race?:eek:
the example was absurd...i am just trying to show him that hispanic race doesent exist..
why americans get to separate betwen white and black and hispanics are all averages?
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 12:43 AM
how can you (99% euro 0.5% amerindian 0.5% african) be "white" american and i (100% euro) gotta be hispanic (for you mixed race) ?
hispanic is not a race..hispanics can be white or black the same way an american can be white or black..
I don't remember you posting results in the genetics section?
Cristiano viejo
12-29-2014, 12:43 AM
It's very simple in fact. No need to complicate.
If your mother language is spanish you are part of the hispanic race, if your mother language is french you are part of the french race, if your mother language is portuguese you are part of the luso race and if your mother language is english you are part of the anglo race.
That is very simplistic and deeply non true.
Hispanic=everyone from Hispania ie Spaniards, Portuguese and people of Andorra. Period.
If a Chinese learns my language he is Hispanic only for retards.
I don't remember you posting results in the genetics section?
He has given you his word. He's 100% white. :)
SupaThug
12-29-2014, 12:47 AM
That is very simplistic and deeply non true.
Hispanic=everyone from Hispania ie Spaniards, Portuguese and people of Andorra. Period.
If a Chinese learns my language he is Hispanic only for retards.
But hispanic can be used to refer to people who speak spanish as their mother tongue as well,not to refer to people who know how to speak it!
the example was absurd...i am just trying to show him that hispanic race doesent exist..
why americans get to separate betwen white and black and hispanics are all averages?
I agree, that's not a race. But I believe they judge by what they see. The VAST majority of the so called "Hispanics" the US are not like Ricky Martin.
Argentano
12-29-2014, 12:52 AM
I don't remember you posting results in the genetics section?
thats not the point,,the point is that hispanic can be white or black the same way american can be black or white..do you disagree?
Cristiano viejo
12-29-2014, 12:53 AM
But hispanic can be used to refer to people who speak spanish as their mother tongue as well,not to refer to people who know how to speak it!
If two Chinese arrive to Argentina or Spain or Mexico and they have a child who speaks in Spanish, is he a Hispanic according you?
But hispanic can be used to refer to people who speak spanish as their mother tongue as well,not to refer to people who know how to speak it!
It IS its main definition. Any person from the Spanish-speaking world is considered "Hispanic". White, black, Chinese, Indian - that doesn't matter to them.
Vasconcelos
12-29-2014, 12:55 AM
You Americans really have silly and confusing labels.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 12:55 AM
The study is wrong for latinos. How come in some states they are +80% or even 90% European? Most Mexicans are balanced mestizos and indio-mestizos, let alone the central Americans who are almost fully Native.
Yes. Most of them are not white in the meaning of being of European background. I don't consider North American Metis people necessarily Europeans. They are closer to me than a South American mestizo or Aboriginal. But racially they are a different race to me. I prefer them over blacks that's for sure. Blacks to me have become their own people with a different agenda.
These people that say we are all the same because we are American are mostly fruitcakes. I identify with my own culture and ethnic group which is the North East British/Irish New Englanders. But I also have relation to White Americans with the same background as me who live all over the country.
SupaThug
12-29-2014, 12:58 AM
If two Chinese arrive to Argentina or Spain or Mexico and they have a child who speaks in Spanish, is he a Hispanic according you?
If spanish is the child's mother tongue,then the child is a hispanic in the linguistic way!A very unsual hispanic,but still a hispanic!I got your point,Hispania was indeed the term to refer to the Iberian peninsula(most americans have no clue the origin of the term hispanic),people who were born there were the hispanics,but nowadays we use Iberian instead,in my opinion it's better!
Kamal900
12-29-2014, 12:59 AM
That is very simplistic and deeply non true.
Hispanic=everyone from Hispania ie Spaniards, Portuguese and people of Andorra. Period.
If a Chinese learns my language he is Hispanic only for retards.
Being an Hispanic is more of a cultural term than ethnic one. For example, being an Arab is more to do with cultural identity, and there is a difference between an Arab and Arabian. Being an Arab is a pan-ethnic identity that is based on heritage and culture regardless of genetics while being an Arabian is being ethnically and racially Arab. Being a Hispanic, like being Lusophonic, is a linguistic term but being an Iberian hispanic or real Hispanic is about being racially and culturally Hispanic and Iberian. I think people should use Latino or South American label to differentiate them from those who are racially and culturally Iberians.
If two Chinese arrive to Argentina or Spain or Mexico and they have a child who speaks in Spanish, is he a Hispanic according you?
The astronaut Franklin Chang-Díaz was born in Costa Rica. He is 25% Chinese, 75% Colonial Costa Rican (mainly Spanish, of course). He moved to the US as an adult and is considered a Hispanic American. Moreover, his Massachusetts-born daughter is half-WASP, but identifies as "Latina".
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:04 AM
The amount of British Isles input is something that seems widely unacknowledged in America, strangely enough.
Not entirely this I my area. What I dislike in the North East is the schism between the Irish and British New Englanders. This is due to religious reasons mostly. But I belong to both and consider myself Anglo-Saxon [culturally and ethnically].
Anyway this is still customary here. I am not sure how it is outside of the North East. Southerners and British Ontarians are culturally very close to us. We shun from terms such as Anglo-Saxon as a label because it is considered racist to use such words in the media so intellectuals who are more conservative try to not use the term to describe us. Jews and blacks here will accuse us of being evil racist colonizers if we do dare take any sense of pride in our identity. It doesn't meet the modern American one so it is politically incorrect to be proud of who we are.
It still exists and is very strong.
Bagpipes for example are still a sign of our culture here. Also the population change has not been so drastic here either. I live in a culturally isolated area of the country mind you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FDRwHKVe_c
This band is from my city and overall area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mAPr7MGMUI
This is considered the North East yankee culture. Then you have Southerners, Nova Scotians, Ontarians who are all culturally similar to us. If we disappear then the British America the world knows about in history books will cease to be. Our government is ensuring this happens to. I don't know why they wish to see us disappear but they do everything to ensure we economically destroyed, culturally and ethnically. They have for example managed to make it legal for un restricted immigration here which means the third world is pouring into the area and it has transformed into a massive welfare government in these places mentioned. We can thank liberalism and democracy for all of it.
The American identity has been destroyed by ideas like 'Individualism' and concepts that go against traditional tribalism.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:07 AM
Being an Hispanic is more of a cultural term than ethnic one. For example, being an Arab is more to do with cultural identity, and there is a difference between an Arab and Arabian. Being an Arab is a pan-ethnic identity that is based on heritage and culture regardless of genetics while being an Arabian is being ethnically and racially Arab. Being a Hispanic, like being Lusophonic, is a linguistic term but being an Iberian hispanic or real Hispanic is about being racially and culturally Hispanic and Iberian. I think people should use Latino or South American label to differentiate them from those who are racially and culturally Iberians.
This. Gilgamesh knows.
Hispanic in America refers to cultural origin not necessarily ethnic. Where as Hispanic in historical terms refers to Iberian culture or peoples. However today modern Spanish people and Portuguese do not refer to themselves as Hispanics. That word and modern American meaning are completely alien to them.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:13 AM
how can you (99% euro 0.5% amerindian 0.5% african) be "white" american and i (100% euro) gotta be hispanic (for you mixed race) ?
hispanic is not a race..hispanics can be white or black the same way an american can be white or black..
Ask the retards who come up with this stuff here in America. The same they did with this fake American identity. People on the east coast would agree with you especially the paleoconservative movement that is gaining more popularity than these western 'Murican' pride types that are full of themselves. We constantly say here we are a people without a country or identity. I just identify with British America, the old east coast America which to me is the real USA. Anyway I agree the term Hispanic is as meaningless as the Caucasian term which white washes various peoples from around the world [or tries to at least]. Both terms are meaningless, one is cultural and the other is a broad racial category. Both to me are meaningless terms or unnecessary as they are obvious and hold no merit in determine who one is.
American is a meaningless term and identity that has nothing to do with reality. A black does not feel more American than me and nor do I to him. We feel no unity as ''Americans' because it doesn't exist. American to me is a socialist experiment to create a bastard mixed race land to promote socialism in the future. This is what Liberals/Libertarians and Communists here advocate for. I refuse to give into such insanity. American identity is like Yugoslav identity, it isn't real at all.
Jim, actually "Caucasian" is a less ambiguous term than "white".
Proctor
12-29-2014, 01:22 AM
I share with a couple (10 or so, including relatives) confirmed colonial Americans whose results I could share here if you want.
Cristiano viejo
12-29-2014, 01:25 AM
The astronaut Franklin Chang-Díaz was born in Costa Rica. He is 25% Chinese, 75% Colonial Costa Rican (mainly Spanish, of course). He moved to the US as an adult and is considered a Hispanic American. Moreover, his Massachusetts-born daughter is half-WASP, but identifies as "Latina".
Amazing and sad.
However today modern Spanish people and Portuguese do not refer to themselves as Hispanics. That word and modern American meaning are completely alien to them.
Unfortunately true.
I think people should use Latino or South American label to differentiate them from those who are racially and culturally Iberians.
Me too, overall because many people, Americans from USA mainly think that Spain is in Mexico or something. It is annoying, overall because Spain explored, conquered and colonized good part of their own country :picard1:
SupaThug
12-29-2014, 01:26 AM
Jim, actually "Caucasian" is a less ambiguous term than "white".
This is very true!Since the term ''white'' is ambiguous I know a huge amount of quadroon looking people who consider themselves white :laugh:
Proctor
12-29-2014, 01:30 AM
Ask the retards who come up with this stuff here in America. The same they did with this fake American identity. People on the east coast would agree with you especially the paleoconservative movement that is gaining more popularity than these western 'Murican' pride types that are full of themselves. We constantly say here we are a people without a country or identity. I just identify with British America, the old east coast America which to me is the real USA. Anyway I agree the term Hispanic is as meaningless as the Caucasian term which white washes various peoples from around the world [or tries to at least]. Both terms are meaningless, one is cultural and the other is a broad racial category. Both to me are meaningless terms or unnecessary as they are obvious and hold no merit in determine who one is.
American is a meaningless term and identity that has nothing to do with reality. A black does not feel more American than me and nor do I to him. We feel no unity as ''Americans' because it doesn't exist. American to me is a socialist experiment to create a bastard mixed race land to promote socialism in the future. This is what Liberals/Libertarians and Communists here advocate for. I refuse to give into such insanity. American identity is like Yugoslav identity, it isn't real at all.
I hope more neocons become paleoconservative. I fucking hate neocons. They care more about the integrity of Israel than of the US, it's ridiculous.
Kamal900
12-29-2014, 01:34 AM
This. Gilgamesh knows.
Hispanic in America refers to cultural origin not necessarily ethnic. Where as Hispanic in historical terms refers to Iberian culture or peoples. However today modern Spanish people and Portuguese do not refer to themselves as Hispanics. That word and modern American meaning are completely alien to them.
You should see how Americans perceive me when i went to America with my people. They were very shocked to see an Arab having white skin, colored hair and racially east-med, and they wonder how is it possible to have such features even. They think that all arabs are like Saudi Arabia, and they also think that all of us are purely racially Arabid even. I told them that the Arab world is very diverse, and being one isnt about being racially or genetically Arabian even. Hell, even among Arabians there are distinctions between each other, both culturally and mentally, and you can easily tell the difference between Saudi Arabia and Oman for example. Hell, you cant say that Omanis look very similar to Lebanese just because both identify themselves as Arabs. The same thing can be said about those who are just culturally Hispanic and the real ones in Iberia.
In the levant, anyone can be an Arab for as long as that person is caucasian, identifies himself as part of the arab world and identity and etc, while in Arabia, they only consider those who are racially and genetically Arabid as there fellow Arabians. Hell, even in the Berber world, they see berbers who are racially Nordic, South Med, Berberid and etc as there fellow people while they see the Turegs as alien to them(they are racially Mulatto, and they live in central africa and southern Algeria).
Kamal900
12-29-2014, 01:35 AM
Me too, overall because many people, Americans from USA mainly think that Spain is in Mexico or something. It is annoying, overall because Spain explored, conquered and colonized good part of their own country :picard1:
I feel the same way as well when people think that ALL arabs are like those in Saudi Arabia both culturally and racially.
Tooting Carmen
12-29-2014, 01:37 AM
I feel the same way as well when people think that ALL arabs are like those in Saudi Arabia both culturally and racially.
And likewise it is also annoying when people talk about Europeans as if they all looked identical from Sweden to Malta.
Cristiano viejo
12-29-2014, 01:38 AM
And likewise it is also annoying when people talk about Europeans as if they all looked identical from Sweden to Malta.
You must be the only one hearding that.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:42 AM
Jim, actually "Caucasian" is a less ambiguous term than "white".
Not true at all. White is a colonial term that is racial and more accurate in describing one's origins than Caucasian which bunches everyone into one category claiming they are all literally the same.
Amazing and sad.
Well, not really sad. He is only 25% Chinese and his parents were born in Costa Rica. If indio-mestizos are "Hispanic", why can't people like him be called that word as well. He is probably more Iberian than many illegals from Latin America.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:45 AM
The astronaut Franklin Chang-Díaz was born in Costa Rica. He is 25% Chinese, 75% Colonial Costa Rican (mainly Spanish, of course). He moved to the US as an adult and is considered a Hispanic American. Moreover, his Massachusetts-born daughter is half-WASP, but identifies as "Latina".
How is she half WASP? Are they protestant? Are they of British ancestry?
Anyway I could care less what Hispanic means. I only care about my local culture not being raped by the Authorities and foreigners. She is a Latina because the father is. She will always identify with her minority ancestry because people are more proud to be minorities in this 'diverse' country.
I share zero cultural or ethnic relation to her or people who think like her. Those types are the reason 'American' is a fake identity. The only Americans are mixed race people and minorities to me. They can keep that worthless identity and culture. I have nothing to do with it.
Argentano
12-29-2014, 01:46 AM
I agree, that's not a race. But I believe they judge by what they see. The VAST majority of the so called "Hispanics" the US are not like Ricky Martin.
it doesent matter....in the US they have pred african dominican "hispanics" that would blend more in the usa than in my country...yet they belong to the "hispanic race"..
hispanic is not a race..i just meant that..
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:47 AM
Well, not really sad. He is only 25% Chinese and his parents were born in Costa Rica. If indio-mestizos are "Hispanic", why can't people like him be called that word as well. He is probably more Iberian than many illegals from Latin America.
He is 25% Non white and 100% non New Englander.
His daughter is 1/8th Non white and 50% non British colonial.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:47 AM
it doesent matter....in the US they have pred african dominican "hispanics" that would blend more in the usa than in my country...yet they belong to the "hispanic race"..
Exactly I feel this Hispanic identity thing is as insane as the American identity.
Gooding
12-29-2014, 01:48 AM
Ask the retards who come up with this stuff here in America. The same they did with this fake American identity. People on the east coast would agree with you especially the paleoconservative movement that is gaining more popularity than these western 'Murican' pride types that are full of themselves. We constantly say here we are a people without a country or identity. I just identify with British America, the old east coast America which to me is the real USA. Anyway I agree the term Hispanic is as meaningless as the Caucasian term which white washes various peoples from around the world [or tries to at least]. Both terms are meaningless, one is cultural and the other is a broad racial category. Both to me are meaningless terms or unnecessary as they are obvious and hold no merit in determine who one is.
American is a meaningless term and identity that has nothing to do with reality. A black does not feel more American than me and nor do I to him. We feel no unity as ''Americans' because it doesn't exist. American to me is a socialist experiment to create a bastard mixed race land to promote socialism in the future. This is what Liberals/Libertarians and Communists here advocate for. I refuse to give into such insanity. American identity is like Yugoslav identity, it isn't real at all.
Exactly. I agree, by the way, that the terms " Hispanic" and " Latino" are not racial or ethnic terms, but cultural. As a white American ( as if that means anything), I identify most strongly with my English and Scottish ancestors. I gravitate toward those people, my people. Calling somebody an Anglo simply means that they speak English ( as most people, regardless of background) in the United States normally do. Are Anglos all the same? No, of course not. Yes, I'm 99.6% European, with 0.2% Native American and .02% SSA background. My eyes are a clear blue, my skin white with freckles up and down my arms. My point was that many people who are considered Hispanic are in fact mixed race. Did I say that the term " Hispanic" itself denoted a race? No, I did not. Are there differences between people from Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Peru, and Cuba? Yes. Are there differences between people from the hills of Appalachia and the Pueblos of New Mexico? How about an Inuit from Alaska and a Tejano? Who had the idea that Americans were all the same? Usually, people from outside the group. Like it or not, people classify and we like to try to understand others. That's why we have terms such as Native Americans, Latin Americans, African Americans to describe people who have origins in those parts of the world. In older times, we'd have called them strangers. What would necessarily be wrong with claiming descent from Nahuatl, Maya, Quechua or Taino people who have mixed with Spaniards, or Africans, or both? What would be the problem with claiming Criollo ancestry? Isn't that being true to one's people? I look in the mirror and I am what I see. If I saw an African looking back at me, I'd proudly claim that heritage. Same with any other ethnicity. If I were Spanish, you'd damned well better believe I'd name my firstborn after King Juan Carlos, or King Fernando. LOL, I have so many Elizabeths in my family that it isn't even funny. Same with Jameses ( good Lord, there are a LOT of people named James, from both the McDonald and Gooding sides of the family), Roberts, Howards, etc., etc. I don't see how saying someone is, or might be or maybe looks mixed this, fully that, could be construed as insulting. Maybe I'm just a cold blooded person who simply describes things as he sees them and doesn't necessarily mean to demean or insult anybody.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:50 AM
I hope more neocons become paleoconservative. I fucking hate neocons. They care more about the integrity of Israel than of the US, it's ridiculous.
I don't have much faith in them and not sure if I want pro Israel types in my movement either. People with foreign agendas are dangerous.
lyllo
12-29-2014, 01:58 AM
To Americans both this Spanish actress and this Colombian Zambo footballer are 'hispanic'.
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3168724.ece/alternates/s2197/Juan-Cuadrado.jpg
http://especiales.fhm.es/galerias/Maria_Castro_Combustion/images/Maria-Castro-Combustion-09.jpg
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 02:00 AM
thats not the point,,the point is that hispanic can be white or black the same way american can be black or white..do you disagree?
Americans were well segregated historically. Our divisions work in our society. If white Hispanics were included in the white figure for that study, then it would of skewed the resulting data.
Not true at all. White is a colonial term that is racial and more accurate in describing one's origins than Caucasian which bunches everyone into one category claiming they are all literally the same.
How come it is "accurate"? Its meaning has shifted many times. The whiteness of the Irish, Southern and Eastern europeans was questioned in the past.
Moreover, if you look at this forum, you will see that there is no real consensus as to who is white and who isn't.
SupaThug
12-29-2014, 02:00 AM
To Americans both this Spanish actress and this Colombian Zambo footballer are 'hispanic'.
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3168724.ece/alternates/s2197/Juan-Cuadrado.jpg
http://especiales.fhm.es/galerias/Maria_Castro_Combustion/images/Maria-Castro-Combustion-09.jpg
In the linguistic way,they are both hispanic!But the problem is that most americans associate the word ''hispanic'' to a mixed race mexican!
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 02:02 AM
To Americans both this Spanish actress and this Colombian Zambo footballer are 'hispanic'.
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3168724.ece/alternates/s2197/Juan-Cuadrado.jpg
http://especiales.fhm.es/galerias/Maria_Castro_Combustion/images/Maria-Castro-Combustion-09.jpg
Somebody get these butthurt Latinos out of my white thread xD
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 02:04 AM
Exactly. I agree, by the way, that the terms " Hispanic" and " Latino" are not racial or ethnic terms, but cultural. As a white American ( as if that means anything), I identify most strongly with my English and Scottish ancestors. I gravitate toward those people, my people. Calling somebody an Anglo simply means that they speak English ( as most people, regardless of background) in the United States normally do. Are Anglos all the same? No, of course not. Yes, I'm 99.6% European, with 0.2% Native American and .02% SSA background. My eyes are a clear blue, my skin white with freckles up and down my arms. My point was that many people who are considered Hispanic are in fact mixed race. Did I say that the term " Hispanic" itself denoted a race? No, I did not. Are there differences between people from Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Peru, and Cuba? Yes. Are there differences between people from the hills of Appalachia and the Pueblos of New Mexico? How about an Inuit from Alaska and a Tejano? Who had the idea that Americans were all the same? Usually, people from outside the group. Like it or not, people classify and we like to try to understand others. That's why we have terms such as Native Americans, Latin Americans, African Americans to describe people who have origins in those parts of the world. In older times, we'd have called them strangers. What would necessarily be wrong with claiming descent from Nahuatl, Maya, Quechua or Taino people who have mixed with Spaniards, or Africans, or both? What would be the problem with claiming Criollo ancestry? Isn't that being true to one's people? I look in the mirror and I am what I see. If I saw an African looking back at me, I'd proudly claim that heritage. Same with any other ethnicity. If I were Spanish, you'd damned well better believe I'd name my firstborn after King Juan Carlos, or King Fernando. LOL, I have so many Elizabeths in my family that it isn't even funny. Same with Jameses ( good Lord, there are a LOT of people named James, from both the McDonald and Gooding sides of the family), Roberts, Howards, etc., etc. I don't see how saying someone is, or might be or maybe looks mixed this, fully that, could be construed as insulting. Maybe I'm just a cold blooded person who simply describes things as he sees them and doesn't necessarily mean to demean or insult anybody.
Growing up my family never even told me we had a Swedish or German ancestor. I think it had more to do so they wouldn't produce a offspring with this I am proud of this blah blah. I like these cultures or backgrounds I come from but they are not who I am. I admire my one French, one German and one Swedish ancestor but that is such a distant ancestry to me I have zero connection to it. I consider myself a New Englander. Not to mention a British American. I am beginning to think and believe that it is possibly a very bad idea for us to have broken away from the Empire. We lost a lot and almost ruined ourselves entirely by doing so. Some of the founding fathers were just radical liberal business owners. The worst sort of leaders too hahaha. I like some of them but most I actually have distain for. I had Loyalist ancestors , my grandmother's great great grand father fought in a Loyalist regiment in both the war of independence and in defense of Ontario in the war of 1812. She had new England ancestry going back as do many white WASP ontarians.
Anyway I feel that we did a lot to self destruct ourselves in the past by breaking away from the Empire. The Empire protected us from more than just our enemies but also from ourselves. Shockingly culturally we did not kill ourselves and for the most part ethnically as well.
I however refuse to believe that we are cold blooded. Our differences with various peoples is obvious. How or why should we feel bad about it? I do not necessarily feel better for being so. I feel proud and that my culture/people have done a lot for this world and it wil be noted in history that's for sure. I do not feel bad about anything. I mean maybe the war with Britain was treasonous in its nature. I cannot relate to men who rebel against law and order because they had to pay alittle more in taxes for the war they started in New France and the colonies before the War of Independence.
The American identity has never meant much. More so today than in the past. Back then intellectuals did not question this identity at all. Infact they did more to avoid it. They went on about what the appropriate people who could be Americans [North Western Europeans] but that is it. The original founding father's were even more specific, that only people from the Anglosphere could be Americans. Yet we have what we have today. A diverse country filled with everything from around the world.
I blame Democracy for it. Because it gave us the right to vote for this and ultimately what we would later call Americans [everyone here legal or illegally]. If you notice other Anglosphere countries they were even more selective with whom was allowed to move to those countries. This country in the past was too liberal and so liberal they paved the way for Politicized Feminism and other insanity. Those rights were born out of the constitution/revolution.
lyllo
12-29-2014, 02:04 AM
it doesent matter....in the US they have pred african dominican "hispanics" that would blend more in the usa than in my country...yet they belong to the "hispanic race"..
hispanic is not a race..i just meant that..
Some Americans think that Afro-Latinos, Triracials and Zambos are actually indigenous to the South American continent. While Afro-Americans came from Africa.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 02:06 AM
How come it is "accurate"? Its meaning has shifted many times. The whiteness of the Irish, Southern and Eastern europeans was questioned in the past.
Moreover, if you look at this forum, you will see that there is no real consensus as to who is white and who isn't.
The point is it was different depending on the country. The term white has always been associated with Europeans be them Euro-Americans or Europeans in Europe. That's where it comes from. We are not calling blacks white people... although some might now but that does not change what it originally means.
You can argue that the sky is green, I may say it is pink but this does not change the fact that it is blue.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 02:07 AM
In the linguistic way,they are both hispanic!But the problem is that most americans associate the word ''hispanic'' to a mixed race mexican!
Obviously the woman is the real Hispanic. The black is a product of slavery.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 02:08 AM
In the linguistic way,they are both hispanic!But the problem is that most americans associate the word ''hispanic'' to a mixed race mexican!
LOL. Mestizo Mexicans make up our Hispanic population...
Argentano
12-29-2014, 02:09 AM
Exactly. I agree, by the way, that the terms " Hispanic" and " Latino" are not racial or ethnic terms, but cultural. As a white American ( as if that means anything), I identify most strongly with my English and Scottish ancestors. I gravitate toward those people, my people. Calling somebody an Anglo simply means that they speak English ( as most people, regardless of background) in the United States normally do. Are Anglos all the same? No, of course not. Yes, I'm 99.6% European, with 0.2% Native American and .02% SSA background. My eyes are a clear blue, my skin white with freckles up and down my arms.
i talked about your ancestry just to show you hispanic is not a race...nothing personal agasint you...i didnt even know your results...
My point was that many people who are considered Hispanic are in fact mixed race. Did I say that the term " Hispanic" itself denoted a race? No, I did not. Are there differences between people from Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Peru, and Cuba? Yes. Are there differences between people from the hills of Appalachia and the Pueblos of New Mexico? How about an Inuit from Alaska and a Tejano? Who had the idea that Americans were all the same? Usually, people from outside the group. Like it or not, people classify and we like to try to understand others. That's why we have terms such as Native Americans, Latin Americans, African Americans to describe people who have origins in those parts of the world.
you implied hispanic is mixed race..i just corrected that....i mean making a racial average of 15 different countries is wrong from the start..
how would you feel if i sum up the african american plus the white american results.....divide by 2 and say americans are triracials? would you feel that is accurate?
In older times, we'd have called them strangers. What would necessarily be wrong with claiming descent from Nahuatl, Maya, Quechua or Taino people who have mixed with Spaniards, or Africans, or both? What would be the problem with claiming Criollo ancestry? Isn't that being true to one's people? I look in the mirror and I am what I see. If I saw an African looking back at me, I'd proudly claim that heritage. Same with any other ethnicity. If I were Spanish, you'd damned well better believe I'd name my firstborn after King Juan Carlos, or King Fernando. LOL, I have so many Elizabeths in my family that it isn't even funny. Same with Jameses ( good Lord, there are a LOT of people named James, from both the McDonald and Gooding sides of the family), Roberts, Howards, etc., etc.
sure...i never dennied that...but you have to have that blood..
I don't see how saying someone is, or might be or maybe looks mixed this, fully that, could be construed as insulting. Maybe I'm just a cold blooded person who simply describes things as he sees them and doesn't necessarily mean to demean or insult anybody.
not insulting...just incorrect...sorry if i was rude..
SupaThug
12-29-2014, 02:11 AM
Obviously the woman is the real Hispanic. The black is a product of slavery.
She is the real hispanic if you want to mean that she is a real Iberian!Hispanic and Iberian can mean just the same thing!If we talk about language they are both equally hispanic,since hispanic can be a term to refer to people who have spanish as their mother tongue!
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 02:12 AM
Are they random?
They seem to have a higher British affinity than German going by 23&me clusters.
No. Take me for example. 5/8ths British/Irish, 1/8th German, 1/8th Swedish-Finn and 1/8th French. I am sure I would cluster no different than the people who plotted similarly with other white north americans. My northern ancestry might be a bit higher with maybe some plotting with southern Europeans.
SupaThug
12-29-2014, 02:13 AM
LOL. Mestizo Mexicans make up our Hispanic population...
That's why most americans think that hispanic is the same as mestizo!Many hispanics can trace all their ancestors to Europe,welsh argentines are a good example!
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 02:13 AM
LOL. Mestizo Mexicans make up our Hispanic population...
Not true. Caribbean peoples do. My city for example is 30% Caribbean.
Argentano
12-29-2014, 02:13 AM
Americans were well segregated historically. Our divisions work in our society. If white Hispanics were included in the white figure for that study, then it would of skewed the resulting data.
i didnt mean the white hispanics should be added to white american figure...
i just meant hispanic means nothing racewise..
if you want to make an accurate chart it should have african americans - white americans - mixed latinos - white latinos..
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 02:13 AM
That's why most americans think that hispanic is the same as mestizo!Many hispanics can trace all their ancestors to Europe,welsh argentines are a good example!
Yes which is due to ignorance. The same way they claim all Caucasians are White [to white wash middle easterners who actually get offended by it as well and hate it].
Not true. Caribbean peoples do. My city for example is 30% Caribbean.
I think you guys live in different regions.
Gauthier
12-29-2014, 02:16 AM
Somebody get these butthurt Latinos out of my white thread xD
http://i.imgur.com/3UnwsYa.gif
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 02:17 AM
That's why most americans think that hispanic is the same as mestizo!Many hispanics can trace all their ancestors to Europe,welsh argentines are a good example!
Fucking attention whores. This thread isn't about Argentines in Argentina. Its not even about Latinos... Though the chart's info on US Latinos is interesting.
SupaThug
12-29-2014, 02:21 AM
Fucking attention whores. This thread isn't about Argentines in Argentina. Its not even about Latinos... Though the chart's info on US Latinos is interesting.
I am sorry if my comment is too off!Seriously,attention whoring was never my intention!I just wanted to say how many americans associate the term hispanic to mixed people(who are the overwhelming majority of hispanics in the USA),and this association is not correct!
Gooding
12-29-2014, 02:21 AM
Growing up my family never even told me we had a Swedish or German ancestor. I think it had more to do so they wouldn't produce a offspring with this I am proud of this blah blah. I like these cultures or backgrounds I come from but they are not who I am. I admire my one French, one German and one Swedish ancestor but that is such a distant ancestry to me I have zero connection to it. I consider myself a New Englander. Not to mention a British American. I am beginning to think and believe that it is possibly a very bad idea for us to have broken away from the Empire. We lost a lot and almost ruined ourselves entirely by doing so. Some of the founding fathers were just radical liberal business owners. The worst sort of leaders too hahaha. I like some of them but most I actually have distain for. I had Loyalist ancestors , my grandmother's great great grand father fought in a Loyalist regiment in both the war of independence and in defense of Ontario in the war of 1812. She had new England ancestry going back as do many white WASP ontarians.
Anyway I feel that we did a lot to self destruct ourselves in the past by breaking away from the Empire. The Empire protected us from more than just our enemies but also from ourselves. Shockingly culturally we did not kill ourselves and for the most part ethnically as well.
I however refuse to believe that we are cold blooded. Our differences with various peoples is obvious. How or why should we feel bad about it? I do not necessarily feel better for being so. I feel proud and that my culture/people have done a lot for this world and it wil be noted in history that's for sure. I do not feel bad about anything. I mean maybe the war with Britain was treasonous in its nature. I cannot relate to men who rebel against law and order because they had to pay alittle more in taxes for the war they started in New France and the colonies before the War of Independence.
The American identity has never meant much. More so today than in the past. Back then intellectuals did not question this identity at all. Infact they did more to avoid it. They went on about what the appropriate people who could be Americans [North Western Europeans] but that is it. The original founding father's were even more specific, that only people from the Anglosphere could be Americans. Yet we have what we have today. A diverse country filled with everything from around the world.
I blame Democracy for it. Because it gave us the right to vote for this and ultimately what we would later call Americans [everyone here legal or illegally]. If you notice other Anglosphere countries they were even more selective with whom was allowed to move to those countries. This country in the past was too liberal and so liberal they paved the way for Politicized Feminism and other insanity. Those rights were born out of the constitution/revolution.
We are in agreement, sir. Breaking away from the Empire was a very rash thing to do, indeed and now we're reaping the fruits of it. I have a deep feeling of love for our people and I am proud of them for their many considerable contributions. If the Revolutionaries 237 years ago wanted to retain their rights as Englishmen, then they should have remained Englishmen. I am aware of one Scot and one Englishman among my ancestors who fought for the colonials. One worked in an office and the other fought on the battlefield. I agree that our entrance in the British Commonwealth of Nations may well alleviate the distress that has been visited upon our land in recent years. I in no way feel superior to those who do not share my ethnicity, but I am glad that I am who I am and that the various adventures of my family culminated in my birth.
Gooding
12-29-2014, 02:42 AM
i talked about your ancestry just to show you hispanic is not a race...nothing personal agasint you...i didnt even know your results...
you implied hispanic is mixed race..i just corrected that....i mean making a racial average of 15 different countries is wrong from the start..
how would you feel if i sum up the african american plus the white american results.....divide by 2 and say americans are triracials? would you feel that is accurate?
sure...i never dennied that...but you have to have that blood..
not insulting...just incorrect...sorry if i was rude..
I agree that trying to make a racial average is simply wrong and I apologize for the implication that I made. In much the same way that you made your point that not all Latinos are mixed raced ( as could be seen in Ashanti descended Dominicans, or Catalan descended Cubans, or even Quechua descended Peruvians), I'm sure you understand that not all Americans ( or New World Brits, or Italian and Irish Americans from families who settled the US in the early twentieth century, or more recent Salvadorans and Hondurans who are settling the US now) are necessarily the same, either, although we try to have a common means of communication and we're subject to a single government. There are areas in the United States that do have tri- racial groups, especially in centers such as New York City, Philadelphia, Charleston and San Francisco. Hawaii is a state that has a non white majority and many of those people are mixed, as well. People have the heritage their land gives them and by that I mean that the groups who have historically settled a certain area will have descendants in said area. If multiple groups settled an area, they are likely to have mingled with their neighbors, leaving a more mixed legacy. If the area is traditionally English, Spanish, French or German, the old families of that area will reflect that ethnic and cultural heritage. I'm sorry if I was unclear in expressing my thoughts.
Proctor
12-29-2014, 02:43 AM
Many of these people (nearly all) are related to me.
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result1.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result2.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result3.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result4.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result5.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result6.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result7.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result8.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result9.jpg
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result10.jpg
Proctor
12-29-2014, 02:44 AM
We are in agreement, sir. Breaking away from the Empire was a very rash thing to do, indeed and now we're reaping the fruits of it. I have a deep feeling of love for our people and I am proud of them for their many considerable contributions. If the Revolutionaries 237 years ago wanted to retain their rights as Englishmen, then they should have remained Englishmen. I am aware of one Scot and one Englishman among my ancestors who fought for the colonials. One worked in an office and the other fought on the battlefield. I agree that our entrance in the British Commonwealth of Nations may well alleviate the distress that has been visited upon our land in recent years. I in no way feel superior to those who do not share my ethnicity, but I am glad that I am who I am and that the various adventures of my family culminated in my birth.
The commonwealth isn't much better off.
I think it's a good thing that the US became independent, it just veered off from the course that the founders intended for it unfortunately.
Gooding
12-29-2014, 03:04 AM
i talked about your ancestry just to show you hispanic is not a race...nothing personal agasint you...i didnt even know your results...
AAHHH!!! Allow me to enlighten you, good sir! :)
99.6% European
Northern European
56.5% British and Irish
16.0% French and German
3.3% Scandinavian
.3% Finnish
22.2% Broadly Northern European
Southern European
.3% Broadly Southern European
1.0% Broadly European
0.2% Native American
0.2% Sub Saharan African
0.1% East African
0.1% Broadly Sub Saharan African
0.1% Unassigned
100% Gooding
Argentano
12-29-2014, 03:07 AM
I agree that trying to make a racial average is simply wrong and I apologize for the implication that I made. In much the same way that you made your point that not all Latinos are mixed raced ( as could be seen in Ashanti descended Dominicans, or Catalan descended Cubans, or even Quechua descended Peruvians), I'm sure you understand that not all Americans ( or New World Brits, or Italian and Irish Americans from families who settled the US in the early twentieth century, or more recent Salvadorans and Hondurans who are settling the US now) are necessarily the same, either, although we try to have a common means of communication and we're subject to a single government. There are areas in the United States that do have tri- racial groups, especially in centers such as New York City, Philadelphia, Charleston and San Francisco. Hawaii is a state that has a non white majority and many of those people are mixed, as well. People have the heritage their land gives them and by that I mean that the groups who have historically settled a certain area will have descendants in said area. If multiple groups settled an area, they are likely to have mingled with their neighbors, leaving a more mixed legacy. If the area is traditionally English, Spanish, French or German, the old families of that area will reflect that ethnic and cultural heritage. I'm sorry if I was unclear in expressing my thoughts.
they are clear now :thumb001:
SwampThing26
12-29-2014, 04:33 AM
http://i60.tinypic.com/2bp1s3.jpg
SwampThing26
12-29-2014, 04:36 AM
Seems like a lot of white Americans are over 50% British and Irish. At least according to 23andme. Don't see very many with 1% or more Sardinian though.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 01:21 PM
The commonwealth isn't much better off.
I think it's a good thing that the US became independent, it just veered off from the course that the founders intended for it unfortunately.
But that is the intended purpose. We are suppose to become 'American'. Past presidents even went into detail about how we were not real Americans if we saw ourselves as anything else. Not to mention the goal for Americanism and the American identity was always to unify with South America, especially the Caribbean cultures and peoples. Not sure about you but I would rather stick to the British than the 'American' races.
The British Empire was more racial than North America for much of its history.
But that is the intended purpose. We are suppose to become 'American'. Past presidents even went into detail about how we were not real Americans if we saw ourselves as anything else. Not to mention the goal for Americanism and the American identity was always to unify with South America, especially the Caribbean cultures and peoples. Not sure about you but I would rather stick to the British than the 'American' races.
The British Empire was more racial than North America for much of its history.
One thing is clear to me: the British (Anglo-Saxons) knew how to build successful and liveable countries basically out of nothing. Look at the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Britain itself. Wherever they went, they literally transplanted societies from the primal state to real progress and civilization. Of course, it often happened in a violent way, but who was peaceful at that time?
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 03:16 PM
One thing is clear to me: the British (Anglo-Saxons) knew how to build successful and liveable countries basically out of nothing. Look at the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Britain itself. Wherever they went, they literally transplanted societies from the primal state to real progress and civilization. Of course, it often happened in a violent way, but who was peaceful at that time?
No one was ever peaceful. Social Darwinism came from this period and today can be used to justify how superior we are to the lesser races :thumb001: particularly blacks, aboriginals and other races with two digit IQs. Only asians so far have shown to be intelligent.
No one was ever peaceful. Social Darwinism came from this period and today can be used to justify how superior we are to the lesser races :thumb001: particularly blacks, aboriginals and other races with two digit IQs. Only asians so far have shown to be intelligent.
Now Europeans are trying hard to show the world how peaceful they are. They loudly say no to any kind of discrimination.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 03:24 PM
Now Europeans are trying hard to show the world how peaceful they are. They loudly say no to any kind of discrimination.
They might as well give the houses they own and money to these new immigrants... or countrymen I should add. After all these immigrants are more european than I would ever be :rolleyes:
They might as well give the houses they own and money to these new immigrants... or countrymen I should add. After all these immigrants are more european than I would ever be :rolleyes:
It's sad but true. Some would say a British-born Nigerian who speaks with a London accent is more British or English than you.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 03:58 PM
Not true. Caribbean peoples do. My city for example is 30% Caribbean.
Top ten Latino American ancestries in the US:
Mexican 31,798,258
Puerto Rican 4,623,716
Cuban 1,785,547
Salvadoran 1,648,968
Dominican 1,414,703
Guatemalan 1,044,209
Colombian 908,734
Spanish 635,253
Honduran 633,401
Ecuadorian 564,631
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Demographics
:coffee:
They're all carnitas compared to the Mexican Americans.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 04:07 PM
It's sad but true. Some would say a British-born Nigerian who speaks with a London accent is more British or English than you.
True but that cannot be true either because English means Anglo-Saxon. We all know blacks are not anglo-saxons.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 04:08 PM
http://anony.ws/i/2014/12/29/Result3.jpg
Wow, this person comes out more B&I than many Brits.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 04:09 PM
Top ten Latino American ancestries in the US:
Mexican 31,798,258
Puerto Rican 4,623,716
Cuban 1,785,547
Salvadoran 1,648,968
Dominican 1,414,703
Guatemalan 1,044,209
Colombian 908,734
Spanish 635,253
Honduran 633,401
Ecuadorian 564,631
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Demographics
:coffee:
They're all carnitas compared to the Mexican Americans.
Here caribbean peoples are the majority. They will surpass all other ethnic groups in afew years. Hey at least we have Elizabeth Warren fighting for our McDonald waged jobs and more welfare reform LOL. Yeah more freedom and liberty! I want more even if my country will look like Africa in less than 30 years! More liberty! LOL
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 04:13 PM
Here caribbean peoples are the majority. They will surpass all other ethnic groups in afew years. Hey at least we have Elizabeth Warren fighting for our McDonald waged jobs and more welfare reform LOL. Yeah more freedom and liberty! I want more even if my country will look like Africa in less than 30 years! More liberty! LOL
http://thenotsoskinnycook.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/carnitas.jpg
Send Elizabeth Warren back to the Rez xD
Top ten Latino American ancestries in the US:
Mexican 31,798,258
Puerto Rican 4,623,716
Cuban 1,785,547
Salvadoran 1,648,968
Dominican 1,414,703
Guatemalan 1,044,209
Colombian 908,734
Spanish 635,253
Honduran 633,401
Ecuadorian 564,631
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Demographics
:coffee:
They're all carnitas compared to the Mexican Americans.
Jim is right about his state
Mexican Origin (Percent of Hispanics) 6%
Non-Mexican Origin (Percent of Hispanics) 94%
http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/state/ma/
Here caribbean peoples are the majority. They will surpass all other ethnic groups in afew years. Hey at least we have Elizabeth Warren fighting for our McDonald waged jobs and more welfare reform LOL. Yeah more freedom and liberty! I want more even if my country will look like Africa in less than 30 years! More liberty! LOL
I've just looked up who she is. Do you know about that Native American controversy? Read the passage, that sounds ridiculous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Native_American_controversy
In April 2012, the Boston Herald drew attention to Warren's law directory entries from 1986 to 1995, in which she had self-identified as having Native American ancestry. Because of these entries, Harvard Law School had added her to a list of minority professors in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity. Warren said that she was unaware that Harvard had done so until she read about it in a newspaper. According to Warren and her brothers, they grew up "listening to our mother and grandmother and other relatives talk about our family’s Cherokee and Delaware heritage". The New England Historical Genealogical Society found no documentary proof of Warren having Native American lineage
:picard1:
Gauthier
12-29-2014, 04:40 PM
Jim is right about his state
http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/state/ma/
Mexican immigrants and their descendants usually concentrate in the regions that hold historical ties to Mexico, like the American Southwest. However, in recent times they have been exploring other regions of the US due to economical issues.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 04:41 PM
Jim is right about his state
http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/state/ma/
Northeast doesn't count. It's a mishmash of every corner of earth due to it being immigrant port central. Mexican Americans are over six times as plentiful in the US than the next highest Latino group.
One thing is clear to me: the British (Anglo-Saxons) knew how to build successful and liveable countries basically out of nothing. Look at the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Britain itself. Wherever they went, they literally transplanted societies from the primal state to real progress and civilization. Of course, it often happened in a violent way, but who was peaceful at that time?
jamaica, Guyana, belize, trinidad and tobago, south africa? british empire::rolleyes:
This guy has deep Colonial roots in South Carolina.
http://i57.tinypic.com/ojds8l.png
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 04:56 PM
http://thenotsoskinnycook.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/carnitas.jpg
Send Elizabeth Warren back to the Rez xD
Progressive Liberals here are in love with her. Especially minorities. She won the entire puerto rican vote here for saying she was 1/16th native american.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 04:56 PM
jamaica, Guyana, belize, trinidad and tobago, south africa? british empire::rolleyes:
British Empire is white :thumb001: Not those brown and black countries.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 04:57 PM
Northeast doesn't count. It's a mishmash of every corner of earth due to it being immigrant port central. Mexican Americans are over six times as plentiful in the US than the next highest Latino group.
Not northern new england and western MA. Good luck finding blacks or caribbeans there.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 04:59 PM
I've just looked up who she is. Do you know about that Native American controversy? Read the passage, that sounds ridiculous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Native_American_controversy
:picard1:
Welcome to Liberal Southern New England :thumb001: You want to know why I hate democracy? just take a look at where I live and what it is.
She is an idiot and she turned out to be a fraud with no native american ancestry at all.
Welcome to Liberal Southern New England :thumb001: You want to know why I hate democracy? just take a look at where I live and what it is.
She is an idiot and she turned out to be a fraud with no native american ancestry at all.
I can't believe they seriously count 1/16 or 1/32 Amerindians as "natives" and treat them as "minorities". That's fucking stupid to me.:picard1:
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 05:02 PM
Not northern new england and western MA. Good luck finding blacks or caribbeans there.
Yeah, but the minorities of the Northeast are hubs of every group known to man, besides pygmies. Should consider importing Pygmies, Jim, they're an endangered group due to Africans eating them.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 05:03 PM
Jim is right about his state
http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/state/ma/
I told you.
Eastern MA and Rhode Island are the destinations for most immigrants. The only major immigrant groups in history were the Irish, French canadians and italians. The others from the caribbean and africa now are surpassing them. It will be a majority non white area in afew decades.
Most people do not seem to care either. So I shrug and say good bye america! we deserve this for involving ourselves in two world wars and being so politically correct internationally. America isnt a real country or anything to be proud of anymore. I hope the Brits see what is happening here and just dump all of the brown filth from the UK and the commonwealth countries here.
America isnt important racially speaking or of any real significance to the world. At least it wont be in the near future.
Countries die when the higher racial stock is replaced. Hopefully the UN confiscates the Nuclear arms before it turns more into an Interracial republic.
jamaica, Guyana, belize, trinidad and tobago, south africa? british empire::rolleyes:
Are they Anglo-Saxons to you? The "white" parts of South Africa used to be okay, though.
Gooding
12-29-2014, 05:03 PM
Here are the stats for my state as a whole..http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/state/va/ and my region in particular: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/10/northern-virginia-diversity-race/18079525/. By and large, these are good people who just want to earn a living and learn English, like immigrants have before them. Of course, there are malcontents who seem to think they should transform Virginia into an outlying colony of Aztlan. I, of course, side with my English and other British American compatriots in wanting to keep our area English speaking. We might be fighting a losing battle, however.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 05:04 PM
Yeah, but the minorities of the Northeast are hubs of every group known to man, besides pygmies. Should consider importing Pygmies, Jim, they're an endangered group due to Africans eating them.
No it isnt. New York City is the more 'diverse' place. Its far more diverse than where I live. My city is taking in the puerto ricans because they are pouring in from Jew York city. But we all keep voting for it here in America. I mean after all what would I do without my rights? My precious rights!
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 05:05 PM
Here are the stats for my state as a whole..http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/state/va/ and my region in particular: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/10/northern-virginia-diversity-race/18079525/. By and large, these are good people who just want to earn a living and learn English, like immigrants have before them. Of course, there are malcontents who seem to think they should transform Virginia into an outlying colony of Aztlan. I, of course, side with my English and other British American compatriots in wanting to keep our area English speaking. We might be fighting a losing battle, however.
We will always be fighting a losing battle. I believe this is due to the fact because we lost to the battle. The election of a catholic president was all it took. Now we have a muslim for a president.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 05:06 PM
I can't believe they seriously count 1/16 or 1/32 Amerindians as "natives" and treat them as "minorities". That's fucking stupid to me.:picard1:
its cool to be a minority in america. adds to diversity.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 05:07 PM
I can't believe they seriously count 1/16 or 1/32 Amerindians as "natives" and treat them as "minorities". That's fucking stupid to me.:picard1:
LOL, many white Americans have been told by relatives that they are 1/8, 1/16, etc. Native American. She was likely just going by family lore. What's really funny about this, is if it actually got every Puerto Rican's vote. xD
Of course, there are malcontents who seem to think they should transform Virginia into an outlying colony of Aztlan. I, of course, side with my English and other British American compatriots in wanting to keep our area English speaking. We might be fighting a losing battle, however.
English is not gonna lose ground. They all speak it like native speakers if they were born in the US or came to the country as children.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 05:10 PM
LOL, many white Americans have been told by relatives that they are 1/8, 1/16, etc. Native American. She was likely just going by family lore. What's really funny about this, is if it actually got every Puerto Rican's vote. xD
Democrats are the reason there are puerto ricans here. MA had to become a welfare state so this attracted puerto ricans from new york city here. Not just puerto ricans but dominicans and other caribbean peoples who are unemployed. We need to give our surplus taxes to people who do not work. Its the progressive way!
I laughed at one relative who claimed we were 1/16th native american. I told him he was full of it. He checked the family records and said sorry. I hate people who claim they are minorities to get ahead of me or society.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 05:10 PM
English is not gonna lose ground. They all speak it like native speakers if they were born in the US or came to the country as children.
No they dont. Almost every sign in MA is in spanish. They speak spanish first and in some cases expect us to know it.
Proctor
12-29-2014, 05:11 PM
LOL, many white Americans have been told by relatives that they are 1/8, 1/16, etc. Native American. She was likely just going by family lore. What's really funny about this, is if it actually got every Puerto Rican's vote. xD
It's rare when it ends up being real. Cherokee grandmother syndrome at its worst.
Now we have a muslim for a president.
No, he is just a gay-friendly pseudo-Christian.:)
No they dont. Almost every sign in MA is in spanish. They speak spanish first and in some cases expect us to know it.
Well, they are probably bilingual. I think Spanish is being promoted by liberals. America has always had plenty of languages. German, Dutch, Scandinavian languages, Italian, French, Polish, etc. But they all were suppressed by English.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 05:14 PM
No it isnt. New York City is the more 'diverse' place. Its far more diverse than where I live. My city is taking in the puerto ricans because they are pouring in from Jew York city. But we all keep voting for it here in America. I mean after all what would I do without my rights? My precious rights!
But that's my point Jim... The pour over of immigrant central in the Northeast.
Regardless, Caribbeans are mixed too. Of course Americans are going to see our Latinos as mixed... they overwhelmingly are!
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 05:25 PM
Democrats are the reason there are puerto ricans here. MA had to become a welfare state so this attracted puerto ricans from new york city here. Not just puerto ricans but dominicans and other caribbean peoples who are unemployed. We need to give our surplus taxes to people who do not work. Its the progressive way!
I laughed at one relative who claimed we were 1/16th native american. I told him he was full of it. He checked the family records and said sorry. I hate people who claim they are minorities to get ahead of me or society.
You're not progressive until you've imported Pygmies. Get to it!
Are they Anglo-Saxons to you? The "white" parts of South Africa used to be okay, though.
British colonies and are poor countries!
Gooding
12-29-2014, 06:11 PM
its cool to be a minority in america. adds to diversity.
Yet.. when one proudly declares his/ her British ancestry, they're given the cold shoulder, usually with biting remarks that would in other contexts be regarded as racist. Ah, the warm and fuzzy feelings of liberal hypocrisy.. It seems like this " brave new world" has no room for our kind.
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 06:15 PM
Well, they are probably bilingual. I think Spanish is being promoted by liberals. America has always had plenty of languages. German, Dutch, Scandinavian languages, Italian, French, Polish, etc. But they all were suppressed by English.
I could care less about Salad Bowl American identity. Let the fiery waves of Hell take america hahaha.
Gooding
12-29-2014, 06:47 PM
I could care less about Salad Bowl American identity. Let the fiery waves of Hell take america hahaha.
I just as soon retake it, myself. There are still plenty of resources we could use. :victory0:
RighNick
12-29-2014, 06:57 PM
please post the link to the study
Here is the study:http://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(14)00476-5.pdf
And here is the supplemental Data associated with it (the table is on page 19) : http://www.cell.com/cms/attachment/2022466252/2042391884/mmc1.pdf
Proctor
12-29-2014, 07:09 PM
Wow, this person comes out more B&I than many Brits.
Agreed, it's probably one of the most impressive contact I have on there. A nearly pure Islander.
Renegade Abraham
12-29-2014, 07:45 PM
Cool. Almost all of them have some native pimpjuice. It would be interesting to make threads more region specific though.
Nat King Cole
12-29-2014, 07:51 PM
Cool. Almost all of them have some native pimpjuice. It would be interesting to make threads more region specific though.
All have either African or Native pimpjuice.
Nat King Cole
12-29-2014, 07:54 PM
Genetic nationalists, trying to make claims of being "European" or "Anglo" through their results on a genetic test.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 08:06 PM
Cool. Almost all of them have some native pimpjuice. It would be interesting to make threads more region specific though.
http://s18.postimg.org/7sgaummkp/amfa.png
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?146947-White-American-23andme-AC-averages-map
http://i.imgur.com/I6OXehP.png
Proctor
12-29-2014, 08:08 PM
Genetic nationalists, trying to make claims of being "European" or "Anglo" through their results on a genetic test.
Errrm, you have 'Italian, Irish, Portuguese' under your ethnicity so aren't you doing the same exact thing? What you call "trying to make claims of being European" that's exactly what you are doing.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 08:16 PM
Genetic nationalists, trying to make claims of being "European" or "Anglo" through their results on a genetic test.
Are you talking about Jim Crow? He doesn't even do genetics, he just likes to rant on Liberals and the demographics of Massachusetts xD
There are no "genetic nationalists" here.
SwampThing26
12-29-2014, 08:24 PM
http://s18.postimg.org/7sgaummkp/amfa.png
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?146947-White-American-23andme-AC-averages-map
http://i.imgur.com/I6OXehP.png
So i guess my .8% is higher than most
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 08:32 PM
Are you talking about Jim Crow? He doesn't even do genetics, he just likes to rant on Liberals and the demographics of Massachusetts xD
There are no "genetic nationalists" here.
But lets see I am 5/8ths British/Irish [equals out to about 62-63% of my ancestry] and then 1/8th French, 1/8th German and 1/8th Scandinavian. I bet my 'test' would reflect these results. Mind you 1/8th is only like 12.5% of the DNA. That isn't a lot. Each great grand parent represents 1/8th of your ancestry. So IDK I am mostly British/Irish going by the math and family records. I am sure a genetic test would collaborate with my mathematical findings.
As for that Euro mutt who mocks me. He is full of himself and far more of a mutt than me. :thumb001:
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 08:33 PM
I just as soon retake it, myself. There are still plenty of resources we could use. :victory0:
wouldn't be a bad idea. The Commonwealth countries and America use to be great when we had racial laws but America did not have more in depth racial laws. A lot of non North Western Euros came here especially liberal Jews.
But lets see I am 5/8ths British/Irish [equals out to about 62-63% of my ancestry] and then 1/8th French, 1/8th German and 1/8th Scandinavian. I bet my 'test' would reflect these results. Mind you 1/8th is only like 12.5% of the DNA. That isn't a lot. Each great grand parent represents 1/8th of your ancestry. So IDK I am mostly British/Irish going by the math and family records. I am sure a genetic test would collaborate with my mathematical findings.
As for that Euro mutt who mocks me. He is full of himself and far more of a mutt than me. :thumb001:
You are okay, Jim, now that I've seen your photo, I can say you pass as Anglo-Saxon or Irish.:)
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 08:39 PM
You are okay, Jim, now that I've seen your photo, I can say you pass as Anglo-Saxon or Irish.:)
:cool: However that mutt that mocked me probably looks like a brown Caribbean person hahahaha.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 08:45 PM
So i guess my .8% is higher than most
Higher enough to put you well out of two standard deviations.
:cool: However that mutt that mocked me probably looks like a brown Caribbean person hahahaha.
Don't know about him.
Oneeye
12-29-2014, 08:52 PM
In an update to that work, our researcher Kasia Bryc found that about about 4 percent of whites have at least 1 percent or more African ancestry.
Although it is a relatively small percentage, the percentage indicates that an individual with at least 1 percent African ancestry had an African ancestor within the last six generations, or in the last 200 years. This data also suggests that individuals with mixed parentage at some point were absorbed into the white population.
Looking a little more deeply into the data, Kasia also found that the percentage of whites with hidden African ancestry differed significantly from state-to-state. Southern states with the highest African American populations, tended to have the highest percentages of hidden African ancestry. In South Carolina at least 13 percent of self-identified whites have 1 percent or more African ancestry, while in Louisiana the number is a little more than 12 percent. In Georgia and Alabama the number is about 9 percent. The differences perhaps point to different social and cultural histories within the south.
Read more at http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-research/dna-usa-2/#7V3dR2Gg5k16mbCB.99
LightHouse89
12-29-2014, 08:53 PM
Don't know about him.
Some posters claim I look Danish which to me is a big LOL. They have to be joking.
Argentano
01-01-2015, 01:45 AM
this test has similar results for white americans...68% of the white american sample was +90% european
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38568440/admixture/shriver01.pdf
In a survey of college students who self-identified as 'white' in a northeastern U.S. university, genetic testing revealed that around 30% had less than 90% European ancestry. Through DNA analysis, the study found an average of 0.7% African genetic admixture with a standard error of 0.9%, and 3.2% Native American admixture with a standard error of 1.6%, in a sample of white Americans in State College, Pennsylvania. Most of the non-white admixture was concentrated in 30% of the sample, with African admixture ranging from 2-20%, with an average of 2.3%.
Oneeye
01-04-2015, 05:18 PM
this test has similar results for white americans...68% of the white american sample was +90% european
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38568440/admixture/shriver01.pdf
That's very divergent from the results that we've been posting...
Argentano
01-04-2015, 06:44 PM
That's very divergent from the results that we've been posting...
96% euro instead of 98%/99% euro...i am talking about the 23andme study Righnick posted...2% euro is very divergent?
Oneeye
01-04-2015, 07:07 PM
96% euro instead of 98%/99% euro...i am talking about the 23andme study Righnick posted...2% euro is very divergent?
30% of "self identified" whites having less than 90% Euro is divergent... So is the >3% Native American average...
Smeagol
01-04-2015, 07:49 PM
this test has similar results for white americans...68% of the white american sample was +90% european
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38568440/admixture/shriver01.pdf
This outdated study by Shriver has already been debunked many times. 30% of White Americans being less than 90% European is ridiculous, because we had the one drop rule, and we don't have off-White people who identify as White like in countries like Brazil.
As more information has come out about DNAprint's "AncestryByDNA" test (Shriver is affiliated with DNAprint, and his findings mentioned above were made using a version of the ABD test), it has become clear that the ABD test absolutely DOES NOT accurately determine low level admixture in individuals. Thus, any statement from Shriver concerning "admixture" in American whites is meaningless. Recent research on Y-chromosomes and mtDNA detected NO black admixture in American whites (Kayser et al. 2003):
. . . African-American genetic contribution to European-Americans is below the limits of detection with these methods.
The sample included 628 European-American Y-chromosomes and mtDNA from 922 European-Americans, and the fact that there was no evidence for black admixture whatsoever is significant. The findings here also provide further indication that the ABD test is worthless for estimating "minor admixture"."
This outdated study by Shriver has already been debunked many times. 30% of White Americans being less than 90% European is ridiculous, because we had the one drop rule, and we don't have off-White people who identify as White like in countries like Brazil.
johnny depp??
Argentano
01-04-2015, 11:47 PM
30% of "self identified" whites having less than 90% Euro is divergent... So is the >3% Native American average...
whats the % of self identified white having less than 90% euro in the 23andme study?
i guess in the pennsilvania study the other 70% was 99-100% euro...if not the average wouldnt be so high
Argentano
01-04-2015, 11:51 PM
This outdated study by Shriver has already been debunked many times. 30% of White Americans being less than 90% European is ridiculous, because we had the one drop rule, and we don't have off-White people who identify as White like in countries like Brazil.
can you please post the link to that study?
also are there more studies regarding white americans?
SupaThug
01-04-2015, 11:55 PM
This outdated study by Shriver has already been debunked many times. 30% of White Americans being less than 90% European is ridiculous, because we had the one drop rule, and we don't have off-White people who identify as White like in countries like Brazil.
What does ''off-white'' mean?
What does ''off-white'' mean?
Mostly Caucasian, but still atypical/exotic. Something like Jessica Alba.
SupaThug
01-05-2015, 12:33 AM
Mostly Caucasian, but still atypical/exotic. Something like Jessica Alba.
Like me :)
Cristiano viejo
01-05-2015, 01:10 AM
we don't have off-White people who identify as White like in countries like Brazil.
That is not true. I can see a lot of mestizos, mulatos and Jews (yourself) claiming be Whites.
People like Chuck Norris, Jessica Biel, Johnny Deep, Colton Haynes, Megan Fox etc have Amerindian blood and I am quite sure they consider whites themselves.
Smeagol
01-05-2015, 01:19 AM
That is not true. I can see a lot of mestizos, mulatos and Jews (yourself) claiming be Whites.
People like Chuck Norris, Jessica Biel, Johnny Deep,
1: There are no mestizos, and mulattoes here who claim to be White.
2: Jews are White
3: I am not Jewish, I only have some minor Jewish ancestry, but I would considered Aryan by the Nazis, going by the Nuremberg Laws
4: Chuck Norris is White, he claims to have Indian ancestry, but he probably doesn't really. A lot of Whites claim that and then take a DNA test and turn out to be 0% Amerindian, it's probably the same story with Jessica Biel, and Johnny Depp.
SupaThug
01-05-2015, 01:23 AM
1: There are no mestizos, and mulattoes here who claim to be White.
2: Jews are White
3: I am not Jewish, I only have some minor Jewish ancestry, but I would considered Aryan by the Nazis, going by the Nuremberg Laws
4: Chuck Norris is White, he claims to have Indian ancestry, but he probably doesn't really. A lot of Whites claim that and then take a DNA test and turn out to be 0% Amerindian, it's probably the same story with Jessica Biel, and Johnny Depp.
Why do so many white americans claim native ancestry,even if they don't have it?
Smeagol
01-05-2015, 01:23 AM
johnny depp??
Johnny Depp just has kind of chinky eyes, but he would still pass in many European countries.
Smeagol
01-05-2015, 01:25 AM
Why do so many white americans claim native ancestry,even if they don't have it?
They're seen as Noble.
SupaThug
01-05-2015, 01:26 AM
They're seen as Noble.
I wish it was seen that way in my country too :(
Gooding
01-05-2015, 01:32 AM
Why do so many white americans claim native ancestry,even if they don't have it?
A wish to be culturally connected to the land and a wish to be disassociated with the actions whites took against the Indigenous Peoples. Some also have family stories claiming Amerind roots, generally in the form of a " Cherokee Princess" which is interesting, as the Cherokee Nation never had royalty as understood by the British or other monarchial powers in Europe. The people who claim Native American blood who I believe are those who have recognizably Native American features. My own family claimed " Cree blood" until I researched and found that the family ( which is very tanned, to be honest), the Doves, who we thought were Indian actually had English roots. Black hair, tanned skin and brown eyes can be found in Britain and that's where the darker members of my family inherited it. I think Dad said that I didn't really look " English" because the " English" features he had in mind were the Atlantid type. Anyway, the Crees are a Canadian tribe and the Doves are a very old Virginian family.
I wish it was seen that way in my country too :(
paulistas são triracias? : Picard2:: Picard1:
Indians are not frowned upon in Brazil except for farmers.
SupaThug
01-05-2015, 01:47 AM
paulistas são triracias? : Picard2:: Picard1:
Indians are not frowned upon in Brazil except for farmers.
Paulistas com origem colonial são majoritariamente caboclos!
Johnny Depp just has kind of chinky eyes, but he would still pass in many European countries.
he looks mixed as his father!
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?72444-Classify-Johnny-Depp
Paulistas com origem colonial são majoritariamente caboclos!
lol você disse no tópico de resultados de latino-americanos que paulistas são em sua maioria triraciais, apesar que a maioria dos paulistas colonias(1872) e de hoje segundo o censo se declaram brancos.
o a sangue indígena na ampla maioria da população brasileira e baixo todos os testes genéticos apontam isso mas por alguma razão você insiste em ver traços nativos nas pessoas ( e em outra vezes negro)
SupaThug
01-05-2015, 02:05 AM
lol você disse no tópico de resultados de latino-americanos que paulistas são em sua maioria triraciais, apesar que a maioria dos paulistas colonias(1872) e de hoje segundo o censo se declaram brancos.
o a sangue indígena na ampla maioria da população brasileira e baixo todos os testes genéticos apontam isso mas por alguma razão você insiste em ver traços nativos nas pessoas ( e em outra vezes negro)
1-Estou falando de paulistas coloniais,gente como Inezita Barroso e Tonico e Tinoco!
2-Eu disse que a maioria dos BRASILEIROS(não paulistas) são tri-raciais,estavam dizendo que a maioria dos brasileiros são mulatos,o que é mentira
Gooding
01-05-2015, 02:15 AM
So, LESM, from your blood quanta, I see that you're extremely European. I suppose there are a lot of Italians, Spaniards and Portuguese in your native area of Brazil?
SupaThug
01-05-2015, 02:25 AM
So, LESM, from your blood quanta, I see that you're extremely European. I suppose there are a lot of Italians, Spaniards and Portuguese in your native area of Brazil?
Yes,I descend mostly from recent european immigrants.I am from one of Brazil's whitest states,italians,portuguese and spanish immigrants came in mass to my state,so yeah there are many people from these nationalities in my area.My father is a typical euro-mutt from São Paulo,italian+portuguese+spanish.My mother is half-italian,half colonial.
1-Estou falando de paulistas coloniais,gente como Inezita Barroso e Tonico e Tinoco!
2-Eu disse que a maioria dos BRASILEIROS(não paulistas) são tri-raciais,estavam dizendo que a maioria dos brasileiros são mulatos,o que é mentira
a ampla maioria dos brasileiros são menos de 10% de sangue nativo segundo testes geneticos(lembre-se que são feitos com amostras da classes mais baixas da sociedade que tendem a ser muito mais mistos do que as classes mais favorecidas)
Rodrigo Augusto da Silva é um colonial paulista
os presidentes de são paulo também são em sua maioria descendentes de colonos
Gooding
01-05-2015, 02:48 AM
Yes,I descend mostly from recent european immigrants.I am from one of Brazil's whitest states,italians,portuguese and spanish immigrants came in mass to my state,so yeah there are many people from these nationalities in my area.My father is a typical euro-mutt from São Paulo,italian+portuguese+spanish.My mother is half-italian,half colonial.
Please excuse my ignorance ( I don't know much about your country, although the history of your Confederados is interesting), but would that not make you essentially Portuguese and Italian, if of course the Colonials were Portuguese?
Oneeye
01-05-2015, 05:16 AM
whats the % of self identified white having less than 90% euro in the 23andme study?
i guess in the pennsilvania study the other 70% was 99-100% euro...if not the average wouldnt be so high
They'd have to be
(100(7) +90(3))/1000 = 97%
The average European score for that 23andme study is 98.6%... a few more % higher only, sure. But with that few extra percent, even with assuming that 70% of the sample was 100% European, the remaining 30% would have to at least average 95.4% Giving more leeway, for optimizing the amount of white Americans that could be under 90% European genetically and still average 98.6% European, would leave what? About 15%?
(100(17) + 90(3))/2000 = 98.5%
But as you can see from the examples given throughout this thread, most white Americans are not 100%, but between 98-100%, which gives much less room for the number of "self identified" white Americans less than 90%.
SupaThug
01-05-2015, 10:51 AM
Please excuse my ignorance ( I don't know much about your country, although the history of your Confederados is interesting), but would that not make you essentially Portuguese and Italian, if of course the Colonials were Portuguese?
It's because colonial blood is only about 70% portuguese!Most colonial brazilians are mixed race and that's the case of my ancestry.I am a off-white.
1: There are no mestizos, and mulattoes here who claim to be White.
There are so called "Hispanic whites", though, who don't look fully white.
4: Chuck Norris is White, he claims to have Indian ancestry, but he probably doesn't really. A lot of Whites claim that and then take a DNA test and turn out to be 0% Amerindian, it's probably the same story with Jessica Biel, and Johnny Depp.
Well, if that amerindian ancestry is small and unnoticeable, that doesn't make them "non-white". 1/16 and even 1/8 Amerindians are usually pretty passable, i.e. they look caucasoid.
Argentano
01-05-2015, 03:50 PM
They'd have to be
(100(7) +90(3))/1000 = 97%
The average European score for that 23andme study is 98.6%... a few more % higher only, sure. But with that few extra percent, even with assuming that 70% of the sample was 100% European, the remaining 30% would have to at least average 95.4% Giving more leeway, for optimizing the amount of white Americans that could be under 90% European genetically and still average 98.6% European, would leave what? About 15%?
(100(17) + 90(3))/2000 = 98.5%
But as you can see from the examples given throughout this thread, most white Americans are not 100%, but between 98-100%, which gives much less room for the number of "self identified" white Americans less than 90%.
yeah around 15%...very small % and still 85-90% euro
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