Persians

[poiuytrewq0987]

I think they're an interesting-looking people. In general this thread is about their appearance and how they typically look. Iran is a big country with a lot of ethnic groups living in that country so looks may be quite varied.

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[poiuytrewq0987]

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[poiuytrewq0987]

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[poiuytrewq0987]

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[Treffie]

Yep, Iran is an interesting place, but let's not forget that there are black Iranians too, especially living around the Strait of Hormuz in the south, around Bandar Abbas and Abadan.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iran_peoples_82.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldmusic/onlocation/media/iran21.jpg

[poiuytrewq0987]

Yep, Iran is an interesting place, but let's not forget that there are black Iranians too, especially living around the Strait of Hormuz in the south, around Bandar Abbas and Abadan.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iran_peoples_82.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldmusic/onlocation/media/iran21.jpg

Oh but I don't know, would they be considered proper Iranians by people of Persian blood?

[Treffie]

^I've no idea, but I found this video clip from here (http://www.bookerrising.net/2009/06/teachable-moment-blacks-in-iran.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_iiHVN7x5k

Sorry, can't embed

Also, there are Turkmen in the north east who look distinctly Central Asian

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/95/222415434_debda7f870_m.jpg

Photos from a Turkmen wedding (http://payvand.com/news/08/jun/1055.html)

[Birka]

From a casual look at those pictures, it seems there is less divergence of appearance in the men than the women.

[Pallantides]

^I've no idea, but I found this video clip from here (http://www.bookerrising.net/2009/06/teachable-moment-blacks-in-iran.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_iiHVN7x5k

Sorry, can't embed

Also, there are Turkmen in the north east who look distinctly Central Asian

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/95/222415434_debda7f870_m.jpg

Photos from a Turkmen wedding (http://payvand.com/news/08/jun/1055.html)

Turkmens, I believe they have the highest concentration of R1b in Iran.

[poiuytrewq0987]

^I've no idea, but I found this video clip from here (http://www.bookerrising.net/2009/06/teachable-moment-blacks-in-iran.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_iiHVN7x5k

Sorry, can't embed

Also, there are Turkmen in the north east who look distinctly Central Asian

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/95/222415434_debda7f870_m.jpg

Photos from a Turkmen wedding (http://payvand.com/news/08/jun/1055.html)

I don't think "Afro-Persians" are a significant minority otherwise they'd be more visible in today's Iran.

[Aviane]

Persians are very diverse here because I see here at least some of blondism in them apart from them fitting in the Middle East, even a good amount of them could fit in certain parts of Europe mainly Southeast or perhaps even South Europe and not because of hair or eye color just but in their facial features.

[mvbeleg]

In my own experience, the incidence of light pigmentation among Persians proper is rare. [It is likely, however, that those that are called Persians proper today are partially mingled with Arabs.] Lighter skin is not uncommon among the Kurds and Azerbaijanis of northwestern Iran and the Kurds of northeastern Iran. But even among these groups, light eyes and light hair is unusual.

[LC22]

the redhead girl on the 7th picture is not Iranian, she's autralian IIRC.

[Babak]

In my own experience, the incidence of light pigmentation among Persians proper is rare. [It is likely, however, that those that are called Persians proper today are partially mingled with Arabs.] Lighter skin is not uncommon among the Kurds and Azerbaijanis of northwestern Iran and the Kurds of northeastern Iran. But even among these groups, light eyes and light hair is unusual.

no

[Peterski]

Traditional Persian aesthetic standards, according to:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1961-The-Existence-of-OWD-or-off-white-delimma!&p=106876&viewfull=1#post106876

http://www.roshan-institute.org/clientimages/39783/castreqajar.jpg

http://www.qajarstudies.org/tombak.jpg

[Babak]

Traditional Persian aesthetic standards, according to:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1961-The-Existence-of-OWD-or-off-white-delimma!&p=106876&viewfull=1#post106876

http://www.roshan-institute.org/clientimages/39783/castreqajar.jpg

http://www.qajarstudies.org/tombak.jpg

I believe those are qajars bro

[Köstebek]

I believe those are qajars bro

Kajars were Turkic, not Persian

[Babak]

Kajars were Turkic, not Persian

Yes, and these aren't persians. These are qajar elites.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/e02b9aee92b021010eb33621ac858071/tumblr_inline_n1l174z4Rs1r43vr8.jpg

http://static2.keep4u.ru/2016/11/29/116a7f1.jpg

[AmazingHazén]

This is perhaps the most unrepresentative sample of Persians I've ever seen, and that's assuming most of these photos are of actual Persians. We have a lot of Persians here in Sweden and they all look like typical middle easterners, no lighter than the average Iraqi.

[Babak]

This is perhaps the most unrepresentative sample of Persians I've ever seen, and that's assuming most of these photos are of actual Persians. We have a lot of Persians here in Sweden and they all look like typical middle easterners, no lighter than the average Iraqi.

Theres a huge variety. Though, its not that uncommon fir Persians to look like those pictures.

[Rgvgjhvv]

My people!!!

I'm 1% Persian on AncestryDNA. WHY WOULD THEY LIE TO ME!!!!!!!??!?!?!!?!

PERSIAN 4 LYFE SHOUT OUT TO THE ONE ANCESTOR FROM A THOUSAND YEARS AGO LUV U BB!

[Zeus]

I've noticed that, in general IMO, Persians are usually pretty dark-featured and indistinguishable from Arabs, while Kurds/Lurs/Mazandaranis/Gilanis/Azeris are usually the more light-featured Iranians. Most of my Iranian friends irl are from Mazandaran, Khuzestan, or they are Kurds or Azeris from various regions and these types are usually similar in appearance to me or lighter, while the actual Persians I know look almost Saudi.

[Babak]

I've noticed that, in general IMO, Persians are usually pretty dark-featured and indistinguishable from Arabs, while Kurds/Lurs/Mazandaranis/Gilanis/Azeris are usually the more light-featured Iranians. Most of my Iranian friends irl are from Mazandaran, Khuzestan, or they are Kurds or Azeris from various regions and these types are usually similar in appearance to me or lighter, while the actual Persians I know look almost Saudi.

Which "actual" Persians are you talking about? Persians and saudis look rather distinguishable for me, even for arab members here.

[Oghuz]

I've noticed that, in general IMO, Persians are usually pretty dark-featured and indistinguishable from Arabs, while Kurds/Lurs/Mazandaranis/Gilanis/Azeris are usually the more light-featured Iranians. Most of my Iranian friends irl are from Mazandaran, Khuzestan, or they are Kurds or Azeris from various regions and these types are usually similar in appearance to me or lighter, while the actual Persians I know look almost Saudi.

Either you do not know many Iranians or you have an agenda (which is fine by me). Iranians esp persians do not look anything like saudis. I am too tired to post crowd pics from Persian majority cities of Iran and compare them with Saudi crowds to show the difference but know this that what you said above is wrong.

I am an azeri but I can detect a persian in crowd of 100 arabs from distance. Anyone with moderate level knowledge of people in this region can do that.

[Zeus]

Which "actual" Persians are you talking about? Persians and saudis look rather distinguishable for me, even for arab members here.

I mean Iranians of the Persian ethnic group, who are not Azeri, luri, Kurdish, mazandarani, gilani, or Azeri. Maybe their distinguishable to you because you're around them, but I'm saying this from the point of view of a Greek-American lol; the actual Persians to me are dark-featured, while the ethnic groups that I mentioned are usually very similar in appearance to me

[Oghuz]

Which "actual" Persians are you talking about? Persians and saudis look rather distinguishable for me, even for arab members here.

I am noticing a resurgent trend of Anti Iranic posts here these days. It makes no sense because we are not in Europe that we may have some hostility with Europeans and we do not talk crap about others here still some people are just hostile towards us for no reason.

[Oghuz]

I mean Iranians of the Persian ethnic group, who are not Azeri, luri, Kurdish, mazandarani, gilani, or Azeri. Maybe their distinguishable to you because you're around them, but I'm saying this from the point of view of a Greek-American lol; the actual Persians to me are dark-featured, while the ethnic groups that I mentioned are usually very similar in appearance to me

Actual Persians are people from central Iran around Zagros mountain range. I will post pics of people from those areas and you will find them having cranial measurements same as Atlanto med or north pontid types. Some will be irano nordoid types as well.

[Babak]

I mean Iranians of the Persian ethnic group, who are not Azeri, luri, Kurdish, mazandarani, gilani, or Azeri. Maybe their distinguishable to you because you're around them, but I'm saying this from the point of view of a Greek-American lol; the actual Persians to me are dark-featured, while the ethnic groups that I mentioned are usually very similar in appearance to me

So how can you say that they look the same if youre telling me that ive been around them? Lol, im sourounded by whites and i can distinguish between the two pretty easily.

[Zeus]

So how can you say that they look the same if youre telling me that ive been around them? Lol, im sourounded by whites and i can distinguish between the two pretty easily.

I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I was just speaking from MY OWN experience. Almost all my friends throughout my life have been Iranian and the ones who are light-featured and resemble me, European, happen to have been northern Iranian, Azeri, or Kurd or Lur, while the ones who resembled the arabs, berbers, and Egyptians that I'm aware of were the Persian ones. This is all anecdotal lol and I could easily be wrong. I love Iranian culture, many of my posts are of Iranians, and I even know farsi to a good level, I don't have an agenda lol - just speaking from my own experience - Saudi was probably the wrong country to use, I just used it as a catch-all phrase for dark-featured.

[FinalFlash]

Saudis? Come on man lol

[Oghuz]

Here are some Persian crowds from Tehran , Esfahan, Shiraz, Mashad. All Persian majority cities.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBTqWIc.img?h=415&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=508&y=339

https://th.thgim.com/news/international/73v986/article26235793.ece/alternates/FREE_660/IRANREVOLUTIONANNIVERSARYTIMELINE

https://thearabweekly.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_image_800x450_/public/2018-07/A1101.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/F0D04EF4-8BD5-43E0-AC58-B0CAE44D5916_w1023_r1_s.jpg

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Farewell_to_Body_of_Martyr_Mohsen_Hojaji_in_Mashha d_04_%282%29.jpg

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https://chrislettner.com/wp-content/uploads/iran-6700.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/946360222309928960/pu/img/m7EdoLu3RQRz9TVT.jpg

[Oghuz]

I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I was just speaking from MY OWN experience. Almost all my friends throughout my life have been Iranian and the ones who are light-featured and resemble me, European, happen to have been northern Iranian, Azeri, or Kurd or Lur, while the ones who resembled the arabs, berbers, and Egyptians that I'm aware of were the Persian ones. This is all anecdotal lol and I could easily be wrong. I love Iranian culture, many of my posts are of Iranians, and I even know farsi to a good level, I don't have an agenda lol - just speaking from my own experience - Saudi was probably the wrong country to use, I just used it as a catch-all phrase for dark-featured.

Well. Please accept my own apologies if my language came across as bit harsh. You are a good poster with good knowledge yourself.

But I do notice two three anti Iran trolls here who keep on going at it. You are off-course not among them. God bless you.

[AmazingHazén]

Actual Persians are people from central Iran around Zagros mountain range. I will post pics of people from those areas and you will find them having cranial measurements same as Atlanto med or north pontid types. Some will be irano nordoid types as well.

You'd probably consider me one of those "anti-Iranian trolls" for saying Iranians are not particularly similar to any European group. But let's be real, saying that most central Iranians are "Atlanto-mediterraneans" or "North pontids" is a pretty transparent attempt to present your country as way more northern-shifted than it is in reality. I mean just look at the crowd pictures you posted. As far as I've been able to gather, Atlanto-mediterraneans are supposed to be French/Spanish or even Welsh-looking whereas North pontids are supposed to look Ukrainian or South Russian. And I'm pretty sure "Irano-nordoid" isn't actually a real thing (not that any of these "subraces" are).

Maybe I'm mistaken but what it seems like to me is that you're elevating Europe as the gold standard by which to measure yourselves against. There's nothing wrong with looking uniquely Iranian or even generically middle eastern.

[Oghuz]

You'd probably consider me one of those "anti-Iranian trolls" for saying Iranians are not particularly similar to any European group.

I am not calling you troll for anything but you wish to be one yourself. Who exactly said that Iranians are similar to Europeans ? I did not then who did ?


But let's be real, saying that most central Iranians are "Atlanto-mediterraneans" or "North pontids" is a pretty transparent attempt to present your country as way more northern-shifted than it is in reality.

I did not say that Iranians are atlanto meds LOL. I just said that cranial and mandibular measurements of Iranid phenotype (proper and sub-types) are same as atlanto med, littoroid or pontid. This is a pseudoscience so people can have opinions. I have even read on anthro forums that some say that pontid is basically just med type Iranid. Only difference is in soft tissue proportions (cheek fat and eye lid shape). You are more than welcome to challenge me and I will prove my point by reasoning.

Northern shifting will not turn us into anything else, our north itself is Iranic.


And I'm pretty sure "Irano-nordoid" isn't actually a real thing (not that any of these "subraces" are).



Well you are wrong. Irano Nordiod phenotype is basically an Iranid with light hairs and eyes. I am too tired at this time of night to post pics, you can google them or I will if you still do not agree. For now see the map of proto nordid type. Irano Nordoid is basically Iranid mixed with Proto nordid. Look at the map of presence of proto nordid type in the Iranic Plateau.

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html





Maybe I'm mistaken but what it seems like to me is that you're elevating Europe as the gold standard by which to measure yourselves against. There's nothing wrong with looking uniquely Iranian or even generically middle eastern.

Europeans have nothing to do with Iranians and vice versa. Our last interaction with any European was during greco-persian times more than two millennia ago. We are our own region with strongly preserved identity.

And by the way there is no generic middle eastern appearance. A middle eastern person can be a long nosed arabid, armenoid looking turk or a elongated faced Iranid. We are a diverse region with glorious history. None of us here need any alternate identity. Look at my signature, do you really think we need some other identity than our own?

[AmazingHazén]

I am not calling you troll for anything but you wish to be one yourself. Who exactly said that Iranians are similar to Europeans ? I did not then who did ?



I did not say that Iranians are atlanto meds LOL. I just said that cranial and mandibular measurements of Iranid phenotype (proper and sub-types) are same as atlanto med, littoroid or pontid. This is a pseudoscience so people can have opinions. I have even read on anthro forums that some say that pontid is basically just med type Iranid. Only difference is in soft tissue proportions (cheek fat and eye lid shape). You are more than welcome to challenge me and I will prove my point by reasoning.

Northern shifting will not turn us into anything else, our north itself is Iranic.



Well you are wrong. Irano Nordiod phenotype is basically an Iranid with light hairs and eyes. I am too tired at this time of night to post pics, you can google them or I will if you still do not agree. For now see the map of proto nordid type. Irano Nordoid is basically Iranid mixed with Proto nordid. Look at the map of presence of proto nordid type in the Iranic Plateau.

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html





Europeans have nothing to do with Iranians and vice versa. Our last interaction with any European was during greco-persian times more than two millennia ago. We are our own region with strongly preserved identity.

And by the way there is no generic middle eastern appearance. A middle eastern person can be a long nosed arabid, armenoid looking turk or a elongated faced Iranid. We are a diverse region with glorious history. None of us here need any alternate identity. Look at my signature, do you really think we need some other identity than our own?

Okay then, cool. I'll give you no grief as long as we can agree that all this phenotype and subraces stuff is mostly pseudoscience. I won't bother trying to argue with you about skull measurements; all I know is that Iranians look very distinct.

TBH, the only reason I responded to this is that I've met many Iranians in Sweden who seem to be adherents to some kind of weird Nordicist-flavored Indo-European brotherhood ideology. I've always assumed Aryanism (insistence on kinship with Europeans over geographically and culturally closer neighboring nations) since the time of the Shah has been pretty mainstream in Iran, or at least among diaspora Iranians. I also assumed that the worryingly high number of Iranian women who try to change their uniquely Iranian look by dying their hair blond, getting colored contacts and surgically altering their noses to look less middle eastern was a manifestation of the same phenomenon.

Guess I could be wrong though. Maybe this is just as common among other ethnicities and it's just more visible among Iranians in Sweden.

I do disagree with you however about there being no generic middle eastern/west asian look. In general, a randomly chosen middle easterner would have a much less difficult time passing as a local in another middle eastern country than in any country outside of the Middle East/West Asia. There are pan-West Asian phenotypes just as much as there are pan-European phenotypes.

[Oghuz]

Okay then, cool. I'll give you no grief as long as we can agree that all this phenotype and subraces stuff is mostly pseudoscience. I won't bother trying to argue with you about skull measurements; all I know is that Iranians look very distinct.

TBH, the only reason I responded to this is that I've met many Iranians in Sweden who seem to be adherents to some kind of silly Nordicist-flavored Indo-European brotherhood ideology. I've always assumed Aryanism (insistence on kinship with Europeans over geographically and culturally closer neighboring nations) was pretty mainstream in Iran, or at least among diaspora Iranians. I also assumed that the worryingly high number of Iranian women who try to change their uniquely Iranian look by dying their hair blond, getting colored contacts and surgically altering their noses to look less middle eastern was a manifestation of the same phenomenon.

Guess I could be wrong though. Maybe this is just as common among other ethnicities and it's just more visible among Iranians in Sweden.

Tomorrow I will respond to this.